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Dragon Ball Legends 

Can you please tell me why every time I tried correcting the plot of the game and I reload it reverts to the old sloppy editing made by those volunteers there Rodericky (talk) 02:34, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

Bardock: Xeno

Yes, could you please stop changing Bardock: Xeno to Xeno Bardock? The latter name is fan-made. The former is canonical and is pronounced Bardock: Xeno. The official SDBH website has it as such as seen here: (You can use Google Translate, it comes out fine.) And they state his name in this SDBH trailer: at 0:16. Shugesh (talk) 06:12, January 4, 2018 (UTC)

Xeno names and Characters from Super Android 13!

Hey Neffy, recently as you may know, some user has been changing some stuff to _____:Xeno because simply that's what he/she wants and even though they have been officially named in Dokkan Battle as _____ (Xeno), this person still persisted in naming them _____;Xeno becaue that's what the user feels as "accurate". You can see it in the user's talk page. What do you think? We definitly should rename them but as what?

And about the Parrell World, I see you are creating characters that are in it, I wonder, are you intending to create one for every single character. If so, do you need help? I'm sure Dragon could probably start creating it and someone else such as myself should probably add who they are and plot, and also delete all of the characters' info about Super Android 13. Again, what do you think? SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 20:13, January 5, 2018 (UTC)

On the subject of the Xeno characters it's hard to tell what would be correct, on the one hand having it as "Xeno ___" works better in english, on the other hand Vegeks personally names himself as "Vegeks: Xeno" in the manga so perhaps "___: Xeno" is correct, but of course there's also the case of Dokkan calling a character "___ (Xeno)" and that's english. Since we do go by english names first - even when they are "less correct" - I'd say that the one we would want is the one from Dokkan "___ (Xeno)". On the topic of the parallel world, parallel world Goku only exists as a test page at the moment, dunno if it will actually amount to anything. I'll tell you and Dragon if so. If pages did end up being created for the parallel world characters, I'd say a lot of them would end up in the List of tertiary characters, e.g. Super Android 13!'s Roshi.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:30, January 5, 2018 (UTC)

Hey, Neffy. I understand what you're saying about Dokkan Battle but keep in mind that Dokkan Battle's cards never use colons, even in Japanese. has a database of all cards in Japanese and NONE of them use colons. BUT at, the official site of Dragon Ball Heroes, the cards of the ____: Xeno characters use colons. As the characters are created for Dragon Ball Heroes and the official Dragon Ball Heroes manga uses the colons, we should keep it as ____: Xeno. Shugesh (talk) 02:56, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

The Xeno characters have only ever officially been labeled "___ (Xeno)" in English.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:56, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

That's not what I'm saying, Neffyarious. What I'm saying is that the ___ (Xeno) is their only label because Dragon Ball Heroes hasn't been localized. Dokkan Battle doesn't have any colons in their card names, Dragon Ball Heroes DOES. Dragon Ball Heroes has had Trunks: Xeno since before Dokkan Battle was ever released. And they have multiple characters under the ___: Xeno label such as Gohan: Xeno, Gohanks: Xeno, Vegeks: Xeno, etc. And with the Victory Mission manga also supporting the ____: Xeno label we should switch it to that. Shugesh (talk) 20:52, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

I know DBH has not been localized, Im saying the one Xeno character has been given the "___ (Xeno)" label in english.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:58, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, but Dokkan Battle cards have different names from the Dragon Ball Heroes cards but Dragon Ball Heroes is the SOURCE of the characters. Therefore we should use the names from the source. Proof: In the source it's ____: Xeno. It's not a matter of translation because if DBH was localized it'd be Trunks: Xeno. It's no mistranslation. Therefore we should change it to ____: Xeno. Shugesh (talk) 00:45, January 8, 2018 (UTC)

Hey, Neffy, I came back with more proof that it's ____: Xeno. That's the official Goku: Xeno figure made by Banpresto. And you can clearly see the name. Bandai named this, not Akatsuki (the developers for Dokkan Battle.) So, I'd like to change the names back. Shugesh (talk) 03:28, January 11, 2018 (UTC)

Seems like that's probably the "more correct" thing to do, don't change it yet though, this should be further discussed. I suppose the Manual of Style's talk page.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:39, January 11, 2018 (UTC)

Vandal report 1/6/18

Hey Neff, a user by the name of lol Lol21323 has been deleting info and putting in whatever the user wants into several pages. Perhaps block? SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 08:15, January 6, 2018 (UTC)


Hey Neff, can you help me move Hero to Shen. DragonEmeperor (talk) 02:15, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

  • Hero is his english dub name.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:14, January 7, 2018 (UTC)
I know but everyone on the talk page keep saying he should use his original name like Mr. Satan does. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:58, January 7, 2018 (UTC)

This requires further discussion, I'll check out the talk page later.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:37, January 11, 2018 (UTC)


The user keeps creating fan fiction articles.

Orion (T-B-C) 12:03, January 13, 2018 (UTC)

  • They probably just want to share their power levels, but don't know how to make a blog. I turned the page into a blog for them.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:04, January 13, 2018 (UTC)

Now they've vandalized my profile.

Orion (T-B-C) 12:05, January 13, 2018 (UTC)

Certain voice changes

I have noticed that Slug's, Android 15, Super Android 13, Evil Buu, Broly, Cooler, Meta Cooler, and Bio Broly's voices have been slightly altered in some of the remastered FUNimation DVD releases. Sort of like Super Buu's when it was remastered. Do you want me to add them to their respective pages like with Super Buu's?Rogeta234 (talk) 20:38, January 13, 2018 (UTC)

  • Sure.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:59, January 13, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. It's just I thought this would be interesting to point out.Rogeta234 (talk) 20:38, January 13, 2018 (UTC)


This user is changing airdates across the wiki. It's an alt of someone who's done this in the past.

Orion (T-B-C) 22:31, January 13, 2018 (UTC)

I know him very well. He already had six accounts blocked infinity but keeps coming back doing the same routine. I reported to Bullza again since he and Chidori had to deal with him DragonEmeperor (talk) 01:27, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Maybe just... lock the articles?

Orion (T-B-C) 01:28, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Back again. Might be time to contact Wikia and get this vandal IP banned?

Orion (T-B-C) 20:59, January 21, 2018 (UTC)


This user is adding links to illegal streaming websites on the wiki.

Orion (T-B-C) 22:33, January 13, 2018 (UTC)

Renaming it to ____: Xeno

Could you please help me by renaming Bardock (Xeno) to Bardock: Xeno and stuff like that? It says I need an administrator and the only person who disagreed with me on the matter conceded. Shugesh (talk) 05:05, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Beyond Blue

Hey Neff, can you help me move Djghfdjgfjg back to Beyond Super Saiyan Blue. Everybody kept vandalizing and moving the page. DragonEmeperor (talk) 10:49, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Check Beyond Super Saiyan Blue, everything is there already.

Orion (T-B-C) 10:51, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

That's not the original page though. DragonEmeperor (talk) 10:55, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

...So? It's the same content, who cares?

Orion (T-B-C) 10:56, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

It has the original history listed. DragonEmeperor (talk) 10:59, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Again, so what? What's that gonna change?

Orion (T-B-C) 11:00, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

You know what, why don't you just stop nitpicking and let me worry about the issues at hand. DragonEmeperor (talk) 11:11, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

You're the one who wants to delete one article to replace it with an identical copy over an irrelevant edit history, and I'm the one being nitpicky? Right. Little tip, if you're going to be arrogant and condescending, keep a dictionary handy.

You're not an admin, DragonEmeperor, no matter how much you act like it. You're not better than me or anyone. "The issues at hand" were not handled by you, they were handled by me. I was the one writing reports to VSTF and reverting vandalism. So either explain your reasons, like any person should do when having a conversation about something, or keep your smug, self-centered opinions to yourself.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:17, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

That's because I wasn't on wikia so didn't I know this was going on. Just because you busted three vandals doesn't mean you start acting tough now. I'm up here everyday countering these trolls so don't start with me. DragonEmeperor (talk) 11:23, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

If the issues at hand are not relevant, then don't bring them up and pretend I'm the one at fault for pointing out that you're wrong.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:25, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

I don't care whose right of wrong, I'm just reporting the issue. You're the one whose going overboard about this. DragonEmeperor (talk) 11:35, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

I asked you why you thought the edit history was important enough to warrant replacing an article with an identical copy of it. You flipped out, arrogantly dismissed my question, and are now trying to make it look like I was the one at fault.
Remember what I said before, about the dictionary?
Orion (T-B-C) 11:39, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

The original page history is meant to be kept.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:36, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Why, though? That's all I asked, before DragonEmeperor started acting all high and mighty.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:39, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

It's just a thing, pages should keep their entire history, pages only lose their history if moved improperly (by creating a new article with the previous page's contents), which is something that's not meant to happen in the first place.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:42, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

I get that it's a thing. I'm asking why is it a thing. I want to understand why it's considered important. Had I known why it's considered important, I would have moved the article myself while handling the vandalism, thereby making this whole conversation moot.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:43, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

It's the proper way of doing things, that's why.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:47, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

"It's like this because that's the way it is" is not an answer. I get it, neither of you know why. Could've just said so right away instead of dodging the question and giving me non-answers to a very simple question.

Orion (T-B-C) 11:49, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

As I said, it's because creating a new page with the contents of another page is not how pages are meant to be moved.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:01, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

And as I said, that's not an answer.

Let me just explain what's been going on.

I asked why the history is considered important, you told me it's because the history is meant to be kept. This is not an answer to the question. It's meant to be kept because it's considered important, not the other way around.

I asked why it's meant to be kept, you told me "it's just a thing". This is not an answer to the question. You're basically saying that it's done this way because it's done this way.

I asked why it's a thing, you told me it's "the proper way of doing things", which goes back to the first non-answer you gave me. This is not an answer to the question. Once again, you're saying it's done this way because it is.

In the future, just say you don't know. It's more honest and saves me a buttload of time, since I don't have to explain why your non-answers are non-answers.

Orion (T-B-C) 12:09, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

But those are the only reasons, there's nothing more than that. I was trying to answer you as best as I could.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:25, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

As I already explained, nothing that was said here even comes close to being an answer to my "Why" question, and thus they're not reasons for anything. It's all circular.

Orion (T-B-C) 12:30, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Mastered Kaio-ken

Do you have a source that the reddening of Goku's skin is due to a lack of mastery? ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 22:21, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

  • In X10's initial appearance (when it's risky for Goku to use) it has the altered appearance, but when he uses it during the ToP (when it's no longer risky) it has the regular appearance.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:56, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
I'd argue that could be a simple animation mistake. I don't think there's enough evidence that "mastery" affects the color of the user. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 16:49, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
It's probably not a mistake considering he goes from regular colors at X2 to altered colors X10 in the episode, and the altered colors are used in XV2 for X10. X20 is always shown with regular colors in the ToP.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:02, January 15, 2018 (UTC)
I feel inclined to agree that without an actual statement from some source it's most likely just a stylistic decision on the animator's parts, and not an actual indication of "mastery". Goku's usage of SSBKKx10 was originally tied to the end of Super's first original arc, so they likely gave it extra flare there. Meanwhile SSBKK holds a backseat to Ultra Instinct in the Tournament of Power, even in KKx20, leading to less stylistic emphasis (such as the lack of lightning and less emphasis on Goku's reddening of the skin). Alternatively, it could just be that's how SSBKKx10 looks, while SSBKKx20 resembles SSBKK, but I wouldn't be seriously suggesting that's the case either. Gildeds (talk) 17:42, January 15, 2018 (UTC)

Yah it's just the X10 looks normal when Goku uses it in the ToP. The tab could be changed to "X10 (initial)" I guess.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:24, January 15, 2018 (UTC)

Well, the page itself is Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-Ken. The only time we see Goku with the super reddish skin is when he goes times 10 during that tournament. Why not just have the initial power-up as the image, and make note of the X10 appearance in the gallery or something? Having anything other than the initial appearance/base power-up as an image anyways is kinda like having a tab for images of Super Saiyan and Full Power Super Saiyan. Gildeds (talk) 19:16, January 15, 2018 (UTC)

Beyond Blue Protection

Hey Neff can you protect Beyond Blue, people keep vandalizing it. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:55, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

  • Done.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:23, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism report 1/16/18

Hello, a user by the name of Yoyo46 has been vandalising Android 21's page with mature content, and it would be a good idea to block them. TheHollowKidVG (talk) 08:40, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

  • Bullza has taken care of it.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:23, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

Goku's Height and Weight are currently wrong

On Gokus pages hes listed as 178 cm, and heavier than he should be. This is wrong. According to the source being cited ( Super Exciting Guide), he's 175 cm and 62kg or 5'8 and 137 pounds. Nowhere is he listed officially as 178 cm, so this needs to be changed back. Mosticochi (talk) 20:56, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

  • Well, go ahead and edit Goku's page to put the correct info.--Neffyarious (talk) 21:05, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

This user is the one making all the changes to characters' metrics (Goku wasn't the only page he tinkered with). I've undone all the changes he made and left a message explaining to him not to change it unless he can provide a source. Kamikaze839 21:14, January 16, 2018 (UTC)

You might want to have a talk with him, he is ignoring what I posted on his page and is insisting on changing it because of what amounts to an "eye test". Kamikaze839 00:11, January 17, 2018 (UTC)


This user keeps creating troll/vandalism articles.

Orion (T-B-C) 20:02, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Super Buu and Kid Buu

Someone compressed the photos for the main images for Kid Buu and Super Buu and it looks ugly. Can you tell him to undo the changes?Rogeta234 (talk) 18:31, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

  • I reverted it.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:34, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

Discussions and chat

So I notice that no staff is really active on discussions and no one is ever in chat. Do I just miss the times when people are in chat or is it not used? And your discussions seems to be really confused on what this wiki really is. Might be worth checking out this discussion.

And I'm only wondering out of curiosity of how to get more involved in the wiki. —This unsigned comment was made by JBour53 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • Sorry, I don't know much about discussions and chat as those are not my areas (I never use them I'm a content moderator). If you want to get more involved just add information to pages, FighterZ is dropping soon, so there will be plenty of info to add from that, and Super is nearing it's finale so episode and character pages relating to that will need updating.--Neffyarious (talk) 21:02, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

Ah ok. Sorry about not signing my message btw. Idk why I forgot. And I'll be sure to get more involved in editing. Are there any staff involved with discussions? Jon the Don -JBour53 (Talk to my consigliere) 21:07, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

I believe that there are staff involved with discussions, but I don't think there are any active currently.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:34, January 26, 2018 (UTC)


Hello. I would like to report a player that goes by the name DragonEmperor. He is undoing all of my revisions. I asked him why, and he whiped the question out.UltraSilver2 (talk) 23:03, January 25, 2018 (UTC)UltraSilver4

I didn't whip out, I wasn't up here for hours. The reason I did that was because nothing was wrong with the original quotes. DragonEmeperor (talk) 23:55, January 25, 2018 (UTC)

Ultra if you want to have the top quote of a page changed you will need to use the talk page. Dragon, you should have told Ultra to use the talk page if he wanted the quotes changed.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:32, January 26, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing me Neffyarious!! I also have started a new discussion under the tiltle"Gohan's elimination in the Tournament of Power " please feel free to post your opinions under that thread. I also plan to start any other discussion topics if anything strikes my imagination, it would be kind of you to support me in the future as well. Thank you once again!!

Ashwin Anand Ilangovan (talk) 15:51, January 26, 2018 (UTC)


Neff, I tried talking to him but he doesn't wanna listen and just keep vandalizing. DragonEmeperor (talk) 01:39, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

  • 10X took care of it.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:35, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I'm trying to post a blog post advertising a new DBZ Forum RPG I've designed at

But it flagged it as spam for some reason and I didn't see anything in your blog post rules that would explain why.

Can you pre-approve it somehow so I can post it?

Sol Kage (talk) 03:34, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not an admin on the social side of things so I can't really help with this. I don't think any of our social admins are active so your best bet would probably be to ask User:10X Kamehameha.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:03, February 1, 2018 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 4

Goku has his tail which is why he can use it at will. Also, the 10 times SS Multiplier is only in that video game. In Heroes its shown that Golden Oozaru is SS3 x 10. They even have a few cards showing Broly in SS3 with Golden Oozaru behind him, and GT Goku with SS3 and Golden Oozaru behind him. QuakingStar (talk) 00:52, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

  • In the sub it's said that Goku re-taking his SS4 is because he's a special case, no mention of him being a special case due to his tail - having a tail aint exactly a special for a Saiyan, maybe it is the reason he can re-take it but it aint stated so it aint going in the article. The section talking about the video game multiplier of 10x has the source as the video game, is that not clear enough that it's VG only?--Neffyarious (talk) 16:06, February 2, 2018 (UTC)

Bardock: Xeno

Neff, certain people are arguing over whether those two Bardocks are two separate people instead of one person. I can't do much but play neutral until everyone talk this out on the talk page. DragonEmeperor (talk) 21:47, February 5, 2018 (UTC)

  • You can leave the page as it was before I moved the info. As far as I know, the Super Bardock Arc confirmed that there is only one Xeno Bardock in DBH, but I'm asking Bargeta what he knows about it.--Neffyarious (talk) 21:51, February 5, 2018 (UTC)

DragonEmeperor is being annoying

Dude, the DragonEmeperor is trying to start a problem with me again. I made one little change in Super Saiyan Blue page and this guy just undone my edits. It's not even a false information. He's acting like a little kid. —This unsigned comment was made by Rey0194 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

It was fine the way it was. Nobody but you had a problem with it. DragonEmeperor (talk) 17:23, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

Rey if your edit is disputed by anyone you must use the talk page.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:31, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

Can I please be a mod? If you're wondering what that link is, it's me asking you to make me a mod. If I become moderator, this wiki will become a lot better, as 2 mods are better than one. Like if one moderator is offline, another one (should) be. That's all i'm gonna say. So, have fun reading my little "essay".  If an enemy is big, small, weak or strong, I will always prevail! 15:49, February 7, 2018 (UTC)

We have multiple admins and I seriously don't think you or JBour53 should be admins you are both still new to this wiki and don't really know how we run things here. With Jbour already one and if you become one I see issues with you both being admins here, like you both might ban someone for longer then they should be. Also I say if anyone should have admin powers now out of me and you it is me I have the experience to do the job and I am consistently logged in, the only times I am not on here when I am asleep, I have to turn my laptop off because it is running to slow, or I have to go somewhere.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  15:58,2/7/2018 

Also with your user communication style you won't be getting admin powers right now. Neffy look at their edit history for where the removed all content from another users talk page, it was just their messages but look at them.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  16:03,2/7/2018 

We just got a new discussions moderator, we won't be promoting another anytime soon.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:18, February 7, 2018 (UTC)


KnighMoon has called me a dummy and an idiot once on my talk page, and they called me an idiot on theirs. I am also not the first user they have attacked in that way or other ways User:DaForgttenGentelman, User:Aditya Srivastava27122000, and others just go through their contributions and look at all the talk page edits.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:22,2/10/2018 

  • He's blocked for two weeks.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:05, February 10, 2018 (UTC)
Thank you, Knighmoon was pretty close to getting banned for how he was acting on discussions anyways. Jon the Don -JBour53 (Talk to my consigliere) 19:23, February 10, 2018 (UTC)

Why is there no personality written on lord slugs wiki page—This unsigned comment was made by Deinychous (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Nobody has written one, you could right it if you want.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:58, February 12, 2018 (UTC)

Can you create and write personalitys for dr wheelo and lord slug on there wiki pages—This unsigned comment was made by Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

I have no plans to do so, you can if you wish.--Neffyarious (talk) 23:05, February 17, 2018 (UTC)

Source of Goku's new form's name?

Neff, noticed you changed the name so we need to know why. Add a source to the page please. Two users are complaining. SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 03:08, February 18, 2018 (UTC)

I said we could just call it Ultra Instinct Mastered since its in the next episode's title. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:22, February 18, 2018 (UTC)
 I think it's better if we call it Ultra Instinct (Form). The XV2 scan refers to it as only Ultra Instinct. On second thought, we should just merge it with the Ultra Instinct (Technique) page. Shugesh (talk) 03:43, February 18, 2018 (UTC)

Merge Ultra Instinct

Can we just merge Ultra Instinct (Form) and Ultra Instinct? It's been proven that -Sign- is just the Pseudo Super Saiyan situation. Shugesh (talk) 18:00, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

Suggest it on a talk page, it ain't up to me. I personally would not merge as the ability alone does not give a power up like the form does.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:03, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

Personal Attacks

I've noticed this wiki has a problem with personal attacks. Within the past two days, I've been insulted by two people. The first one, I don't actually remember the name of of. But the second one was Shugesh. I feel as though they should ALSO recieve warnings for how rude the were, which prompted my retort that you warned me over. An insult is something far worse than a few simple swear words, and I noticed he was not ALSO given a warning for how rudely he spoke to me. I ask that you please do something about this, as I believe nobody on this wiki should be allowed to be rude to one another without some form of retribution. ExyleCage (talk) 21:27, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

A proposition of how to deal with the major outdated crap here.

Hello! I came here to talk to you about the outdated spin-off pages and that we should update them. It will probably take a while but I have something planned out. I don't want to sound like a superhero movie by saying we should bring together a certain amount of users to deal with one category and another certain amount of users to deal with another but I think that maybe you and some of the admins, or whoever would like to update and create the spin-off pages of DB would be nice. I know I am asking a lot, I tend to, but it will be, I hope, a job well done. I have a checklist on what pages we should modify:

What to fix/update/create

  1. Dragon Ball FighterZ info (insert user here)
    • Goku
    • Vegeta
    • Android 21 (Good and Evi)
    • Gohan
    • Yamcha
    • Krillin
    • Frieza
    • Android 17
    • Android 18
    • Android 16 (new model)
    • Beerus
    • Whis
    • Cell
    • Captain Ginyu
      • the rest of the Ginyu Force
    • Gotenks
    • Piccolo
    • Tien
    • Ciaotzu
  2. Dragon Ball Heroes info (insert user here)
    • Goku: Xeno
    • Vegeta: Xeno
    • Chronoa
    • Mechikabura
    • Towa
    • Mira
      • New Mira
    • Trunks: Xeno
    • Gohan: Xeno
    • Goten: Xeno
    • Gogeta: Xeno
    • Vegito: Xeno
    • Bardock: Xeno (alternate dimension)
    • Bulma: Xeno
    • Shroom
    • Salsa
    • Chamel
    • King Vegeta: Xeno
    • Putine
    • Gravy
    • Paragus
    • Dende: Xeno
    • Frieza: Xeno (add info in the main page)
    • Cell: Xeno (add info in the main page)
    • Janemba: Xeno (add info in the main page)
    • Turles: Xeno (add info in the main page)
    • Kid Buu: Xeno (add info in the main page)
    • Lord Slug: Xeno (add info in the main page)
    • Broly Dark (add info in the main page)
    • Demon God Beserker
    • Demon God Elite
    • Dark Empire soldiers
  3. Paralell World (movie) characters (insert user here)
    • Goku
    • Vegeta
    • Gohan
    • Master Roshi
    • Bulma
    • Turtle (add him to the list of teritary characters if needed)
    • Oolong
    • Puar
    • Yamcha
    • Launch 
    • Tien
    • Korin
    • Mercenary Tao
    • Emperor Pilaf
    • Shu
    • Mai
    • Krillin
    • Upa
    • Bora
    • Sergant Metallic
    • Chi-Chi
    • Piccolo

Really hope I didn't miss any. If I did, or if it is already updated, then modify the checklist. But yeah, I hope we can do this, probably on the weekdays then on the weekends deal with the anime. But we have two weeks to do something about it. So yeah, thank you for listening and just let me know on what we should discuss about next. Do you agree we should modify this and the plan? SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 23:38, February 19, 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good, I was getting it done albeit very slowly, if any user wants to cover any of those pages then they can feel free to do so.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:18, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Infobox Title Coding

How did whoever made infoboxes like this get that exact appearance and font space, etc. for the title? I couldn't find anything in MediaWiki:Wikia.css nor Wikia.js. SorcererSupreme21 (talk) 03:11, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not aware of who made those infoboxes or how they did so.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:18, February 21, 2018 (UTC)

Ultra Instinct

Hey Neff, can you lock Ultra Instinct (transformation)'s rename section. JeanmarcosArias moved it to Super Saiyan White but I moved it back. DragonEmeperor (talk) 02:48, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

  • Sure.--Neffyarious (talk) 14:55, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Is it at all possible to JUST lock the rename section? The fact it is now completely locked is going to make it nye impossible for those of us who are a bit OCD about the grammar to fix it. Not to mention some of the images added are redundant. ExyleCage (talk) 18:17, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

It's only locked for new users, I'm not aware of a way to only lock renaming though there may be one.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:20, February 22, 2018 (UTC)

Bas and Towale

In Future Trunks' timeline, everything was erased including Bas and Towale. DragonEmeperor (talk) 23:25, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

  • Ah right.--Neffyarious (talk) 23:27, February 23, 2018 (UTC)

Another Vandal

Hey This user vandalized a page, including use of racial slurs in his edits. Kamikaze839 15:21, February 24, 2018 (UTC)

  • Blocked them.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:30, February 24, 2018 (UTC)

Source for God's Crimson Radiance and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution and perhaps a Japanese name for the special?

Hello Neff, just would like to ask wehre you got the source for the name for God's Crimson Radiance and where you got the name of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution from. Exyl and ConTAZ respectively have been asking. Also, I have seen that there was no Jap name for the Super special. Can we have that on the page and on the list of DB films as well? Thanks, SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 22:19, February 26, 2018 (UTC)

  • The source for SSGSSE is on the page itself, the source for god's crimson radiance is the episode it debut in. I'm afraid I don't know the Japanese name for the special.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:06, February 27, 2018 (UTC)
Ok, so where did you get the translation for SSGSSE from? And was the name for God's Crimson Raidiance from the sub or the dub? SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 17:33, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

I got the SSGSSE translation from TheDevilsCorpse, god's crimson radiance was from subs.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:42, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

Alright then thanks Neff! SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 22:42, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

Completed Blue in the Zen Exhibition Match

Why was my edit on Complete Blue reversed? I gave exact reasoning for removing the misinformation in the article. Goku did not use Complete Blue against Toppo. He displayed an aura, something Complete Blue visually lacks, which is even said in the first passage of the article and shown in the Vegeta image. Goku said he didn't go all-out versus Toppo, and since Kaio-Ken has not been present in the manga, that can only mean he held back Complete Blue. I'm only trying to keep this page honest.

KamikazePyro (talk) 22:16, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

He has an aura when he blocks Toppo's punch, but then in the next panel goes into Complete Blue and does the same punch he used against Fused Zamasu. He used Complete Blue, but not it's full power (in the Viz version; in the original he just says he underestimated Toppo).--Neffyarious (talk) 22:19, February 27, 2018 (UTC)

Aw man, beat me to the punch. SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 22:42, February 27, 2018 (UTC)


He moved the Great Priest's page and creating vandal pages. DragonEmeperor (talk) 04:10, March 1, 2018 (UTC)


Please undo what you did for Xeno King Vegeta. Until officially confirmed, we should treat every Xeno character as being the same one from the main timeline. There is no official information stating Xeno King Vegeta comes from another dimension or such, therefore, it is better to keep all his stuff in King Vegeta's article. Otherwise there would be two articles about the same character, which goes without saying it is unnecessary. Bargeta (talk) 13:38, March 1, 2018 (UTC)


Please undo what you did for Xeno King Vegeta. Until officially confirmed, we should treat every Xeno character as being the same one from the main timeline. There is no official information stating Xeno King Vegeta comes from another dimension or such, therefore, it is better to keep all his stuff in King Vegeta's article. Otherwise there would be two articles about the same character, which goes without saying it is unnecessary. Bargeta (talk) 13:39, March 1, 2018 (UTC)

Super Saiyan Blue Evolution

Shouldn't we rename "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Evolution" to "Super Saiyan Blue Evolution" since it's more consistent with the other Super Saiyan Blue pages? I find it would be simpler. ExyleCage (talk) 17:43, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

Super Saiyan Blue Evolution is a fan name.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:12, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

Ultra SSJ4

Hey Neff, you still gotta move Ultra-Full-Power Super Saiyan 4 back to Ultra-full-power Saiyan 4. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:11, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

It's already moved back ain't it?--Neffyarious (talk) 22:23, March 2, 2018 (UTC)

The word Super wasn't part of the original title. DragonEmeperor (talk) 00:51, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
Ah yeah, fixed it.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:15, March 3, 2018 (UTC)
The talk page still has to renamed too and then locked because Hulk10 tried to rename the page as well. DragonEmeperor (talk) 06:58, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

List of new moves for mentors in XV2

I already posted this in the XV2 talk page, but figured it'd probably be good to put here too. I'll admit I'm a little lazy to edit all these pages at once so I'm leaving it to someone else for now.

And that's about all (unless I missed one) of the moves mentors took from other characters. Admittedly I missed listing the more generic moves (i.e. exploding ki wave or charged ki blast), but these were all the "big" moves I made sure to list. Gildeds (talk) 16:05, March 3, 2018 (UTC)

  • Thanks.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:22, March 3, 2018 (UTC)

Ultra Full Power SSJ4

It appears a user hulk10 is confused as to why it's called Ultra Full Power Saiyan 4 and not Ultra Full Power Super Saiyan 4. I could explain to him on discussions if you'd like or you could leave him a message but I think he's just a bit confused and I don't remember the exact name off the top of my head so I couldn't tell him if he's wrong or right without you saying why. Jon the Don -JBour53 (Talk to my consigliere) 23:45, March 4, 2018 (UTC)

  • You can explain if you like.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:37, March 5, 2018 (UTC)


Vandal by the name of Texasjoker has been posting random picturee and fan art in the Vegrta Saga and Zeno page. SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 16:57, March 5, 2018 (UTC)

Still doing his thing. Vandalized the Trunks page. SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 16:11, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Taken care of.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:01, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

Janemba Saga

You added a Janemba Saga to the Saga navbox that links to the Fusion Reborn page? Is that really a thing?Bullza (talk) 10:08, March 7, 2018 (UTC)

  • Yeah it's from a game, there are more too like "Cooler Saga" and "Chilled Saga".--Neffyarious (talk) 20:00, March 7, 2018 (UTC)


Hello Neff, just want to say that their is an edit war between Dragon and Supersaiyangod99, about the character's height. SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 00:49, March 8, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Neff, can you protect this indefinitely. DragonEmeperor (talk) 05:47, March 9, 2018 (UTC)

The SSGSS Shinka page

Hey Neff, we just got another name from Herms called "Super Saiyan God SUper Saiyan: Evolution", what do you think about that? Also, I suggest you lock the page and only change it if the user has an actual source. Tonight's was a reasonable change, but just in case of a person just wanting to feel like changing it you know. SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 07:03, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

  • I changed it back. The "new" name is still a fan translation. I locked the page as you requested.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:14, March 10, 2018 (UTC)

Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan

Hey Neff, I need your insight on this. Dragon thinks that tge page should be a refirect if Super Saiyan Blue, even though the completed form is called SGGSS in the manga whule Blue is called that in games. Because of thos, I siggest that Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan should redirect to the disambiguation page. And Dragon rwfuses to talk to me. So I want you to make the decision. SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 22:12, March 11, 2018 (UTC)

SSGSS was Blue's original name, so the redirect should stay linked to it. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:14, March 11, 2018 (UTC)
Key word WAS. Now the form shares the name with the completed version. You have to acknowledge that too. Don't be bias and say yhe manga doesn't matter SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 22:21, March 11, 2018 (UTC)
I'm not being biased about it. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:32, March 11, 2018 (UTC)
Yes you are, you are disregarding that the completed version is also called "Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan" in favor of Blue. They both share the name, so why else not? SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 05:37, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

This is a matter that would need to be taken to SSB's talk page, leave it as it currently is for now on the pages until a discussion has been carried out.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:25, March 12, 2018 (UTC)


This user added his own headcanon to the Bardock article.

Orion (T-B-C) 09:10, March 12, 2018 (UTC)

Appointing new discussion moderators and the upcoming film being a Super title?

Hey Neff, a user by the name of Shashank Singh pointed out that discussions in this wiki has been dying down, due to I quote on quote "Cussing, racial slurs and idiocy," and after seeing this tonight, I realize that this user has a point. Since the current moderators are hardly active, with one of them completely gone, should probably hire new moderators to moderate the conversations in the discussions to prevent what happened tonight.

And for the upcoming film, I have heard from Dragon that the film will be a Super title? I looked at the news but got no such connotation, is it too early to conclude it will be a Super title? Thanks, SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 05:37, March 13, 2018 (UTC)

Also, block Neo Clon, Chillerrr1234, and Breeie, they have been cussing repetitvely in discussions SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 02:28, March 14, 2018 (UTC)

  • We just got a new discussion moderator a short while ago didn't we? Anyhow I am unable to promote people, only a bureaucrat can do so, so you'll have to talk to 10X. It was confirmed that the new film is a DBS film.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:27, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
We did just get a new discussion mod but then he's only made one edit in the past month. SuperBen is one of the regulars on here and I know he frequents the discussion stuff a fair bit so I think he'd be good for the job.Bullza (talk) 00:41, March 15, 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Bullza, I always see SuperBen on the discussion boards more anyway. DragonEmeperor (talk) 01:04, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

I see, yes it seems a new discussion moderator is needed, I will suggest SuperBen to 10X and say that you are all in agreement.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:04, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

Thread with illegal content

Check it out.

Orion (T-B-C) 09:34, March 13, 2018 (UTC)

  • I actually don't know how to delete threads... It's never been my job.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:23, March 14, 2018 (UTC)
  1. Hover the mouse over the comment you want to delete (or the first one, if you want to delete the entire thread).
  2. Click on "More" to open the drop-down menu.
  3. Click on "Remove".
  4. Type in a reason.
  5. Problem solved.

Orion (T-B-C) 08:54, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, sorry about my inefficiency, I'm not an administrator on the social side of the site.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:05, March 15, 2018 (UTC)

Parallel World Goku

The events of Sleeping Princess and The DBZ Movies Prior to Android 13 are discussed in the Summer Vacation Special, which is stated to have happened in the parallel world as well. So the special itself is canon, but not most of the movies that they talk about? What sense does that make? TheAwesomeHyperon (talk) 01:40, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

  • Those events all happened for the main Goku as well, so they are simply mentioned on Para-Goku's page. It's like how we don't write Future Goku's full bio, just the exclusive parts and mention how he went through same stuff as Goku.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:21, March 18, 2018 (UTC)


Okay. I'm certain you've seen his page multiple times already. People complain about the way he continuously undoes their edits with no viable reason for it. He deletes pages without discussing it in the talk page. And, to top it all off, many people have confronted him about it. He continues to do these things. It isn't fair to the rest of the community to be punished for the same things he gets away with. And, yes. He DOES get away with quite a bit. I ask that you do something about this. ExyleCage (talk) 04:04, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

  • He can't delete pages, he's not an admin.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:54, March 18, 2018 (UTC)

I'd just like to confirm this sort of behavior on the part of DragonEmeperor -- on my very first edits on the wiki, no less. Hciarzmard (talk) 06:34, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

Talk Page Merge

Neff, you forgot to merge the Berserker talk page with the Legendary Super Saiyan's. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:03, March 19, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Neffyarious, 

Hope all is well, I was reading over the Super Sayain 4 wiki and noticed it doesn't entail the Ozaru multiplication factor. It's stated Golden Great Ape is 10x stronger SSJ3, and SSJ4 is the culmination of Golden Great Ape and another x10 multiplyer. This detail should be clarified for the community and give better insight into the true scale of the conflicts portrayed in Dragon Ball GT. I request that this edit is changed and all is made well and known regarding the Super Sayain 4 transfirmation defintiely 20x stronger than Super Sayain 3 in Dragon Ball GT wikia.Thank You.

Josexbanner (talk) 22:43, March 24, 2018 (UTC) Jose Banner

Dragon Ball Enthusiast 

Thank You

That's all speculation, so it won't be put on the page, SS4 has never gotten an official multiplier, outside of a VG saying it's 10x SS.--Neffyarious (talk) 22:46, March 24, 2018 (UTC)

Why was the movie character page deleted?

-TUN 20:38, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

Aside from like two seconds of footage that don't even show the character fully there is no info on the character, they do not deserve a page yet.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:42, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

Haven't we made pages for characters we've only had designs for? We've seen his aura, we've seen what he looks like, and apparently he's important enough to the new movie to show in the trailer. We need to make a page for him eventually, why not now?

-TUN 20:47, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

We have had more details in those cases, a design and some minor details is enough, there is not enough for this character.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:49, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

What information do we need, exactly?

-TUN 20:51, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

  • "a design and some minor details", like Vados has when she was revealed for example, and a decent page name.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:52, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

He was confirmed to be a Saiyan during an interview, and we've seen most of him, I don' see the point in postponing page creation.

-TUN 20:55, March 26, 2018 (UTC)

They never confirmed he was a Saiyan, only said he might be. We have not seen all of him.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:14, March 27, 2018 (UTC)

Neff, you might have to lock the Saiyan from Dragon Ball Legends because they keep trying to rename him. DragonEmeperor (talk) 01:23, March 28, 2018 (UTC)


Nazim-193 is still adding false height and weight to Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan they have done it twice since you last left them a message on their talk page, so I think it is time to block them from editing.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:30,3/28/2018 

I'm having a bit of an edit war with User Nazim-193. I only joined this wiki because of the inaccuracy as far publication dates. I never edit wiki's but I joined this when I saw that the dates for the original japanese publication seems far inconsistent with other sources. I've been working on a project that uses these original dates and was going to discredit Dragonball Wikia altogether but I noticed that these date inconsistencies were the source of a single user. A user whose talk page is filled with accusations of him altering weight or height details without sources(these are outside of the scope of my project)Discreptions are sometimes to be expected in the case of On Sale Date Versus Publication date which is the source of disagreement when this issue was already dealt with in this conversation: If there are sources that verify his dates, then excuse me for my ignorance but I need to see sources other than his word or edits. I don't think his talk page is loaded with warnings that are entirely unheeded. Thank you for your time.(Randy523 (talk) 14:58, March 29, 2018 (UTC))

I blocked him.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:57, March 29, 2018 (UTC)

He has a new account. The account name is Sneaksrom2.  (Randy523 (talk) 10:09, March 30, 2018 (UTC))


Hey Neffy I told -KnighMoon- on their talk page that if they message me again I would report them for harassment so that is what I am doing. After the last time I reported them and you eventually blocked them up until now I haven't had no interactions with them then today up out of the blue they reply to a convo between me and Markitten that has been over and done with for a while when the convo wasn't about them and yes I have replied to the message from -KnighMoon-, but they are harassing me because I told them not to message me again I am done with them.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:48,3/29/2018 

  • Gave him a warning.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:51, March 30, 2018 (UTC)


Hello, I'm just coming to you to ask about Kale's page, last time I checked Kale wasn't a Super Saiyan 2, unless I missed some information somewhere, but I'm pretty sure it's never stated Kale's mastery of the Berserker form was a Super Saiyan 2 Type, if this isn't the case, please can you fix this, this is just giving misinformation then.


TheCreepy904 (talk) 11:54, April 3, 2018 (UTC)

Oh okay, sorry about that. TheCreepy904 (talk) 02:35, April 4, 2018 (UTC)

Please keep in mind the difference between "it's" and "its"

The English language is not consistent in this matter, but "it's" stands for "it is", while "its" is the possessive form of "it". I see you make this mistake sometimes, and although it's a small thing, it does mean that some sentences are left with poor grammar.

Orion (T-B-C) 10:34, April 4, 2018 (UTC)


SpaceGhost4 is vandalizing the Farmer with a shotgun's page, and has change the character's name to numerous vulgar and repulsive things, such as "N***er" and "Eat my *ss DragonEmeperor" (I censored them, but I wanted you to have a proper example). He even went and vandalized DragonEmeperor's talk page. I request that you not only block him, but permanently remove his ability to edit all together, as he is rude, condescending, and disrespectful. ExyleCage (talk) 05:21, April 8, 2018 (UTC)

Gave them a block for several months.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:11, April 8, 2018 (UTC)

Ultra Instinct (Ability)

Would you mind locking down Ultra Insinct (Ability)? Borticon keeps making changes even though his edits were disputed and I'd already informed him that he needs to use the talk page.

Seems the matter is settled, I don't need to lock the page.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:47, April 10, 2018 (UTC)


Heya, after making my first couple of minor edits on the wiki, I noticed that DragonEmeperor reverted them with absolutely no explanation given. Based on their own talk page, it seems that DragonEmeperor has a history of edit warring with other users and forcing their own ideas through, so would their be any issue here? Hciarzmard (talk) 06:31, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

  • Sent him a message.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:50, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, but sadly it seems like he won't let up - he undid my edits all over again, however his most recent action on those two pages (Cell Games Reenactment and The World Tournament) predates your message by a few hours. Should I un-undo his edits (since I don't want to engage in an edit war)? Hciarzmard (talk) 22:48, April 12, 2018 (UTC)

No you shouldn't because even if you are given the go ahead you are still edit warring take the issue to the article talk pages.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:02,4/12/2018 





Speculation and subjectivity

The user RaphBlade7 does not stop adding speculation and subjectivity on trivia sections of most articles after being warned multiple times in the summary edit by me. Bargeta (talk) 17:52, April 13, 2018 (UTC)

Berserker Goku

Where did you find it? Is there a link?Rogeta234 (talk) 18:38, April 13, 2018 (UTC)

Here.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:10, April 13, 2018 (UTC)

DragonEmeperor and Zahha

DragonEmeperor is currently trying to Edit War with me. I provided proof in the Talk Page that "Sacher" in the English translated version of Dragon Ball Legends is Zahha: "Okay, so Komodo Xeno, a well known dataminer in the Dragon Ball community, datamined the Dragon Ball Legends game and found these: The names of both Zahha (Sacher) and Giblet in both Japanese and English." Can you please deal with him, sir? Fused Zamasu (talk) 19:21, April 22, 2018 (UTC)

  • The English name is "Zahha" in that datamine is it not? Anyhow if you - the one whose trying to make the edit - makes an edit which is disputed, then you are the one who is edit warring, you must take it to the talk page and leave the page as is until a discussion on the topic is finished.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:24, April 22, 2018 (UTC)
  • My apologies, then, sir. I'll do it differently next time. Fused Zamasu (talk) 19:28, April 22, 2018 (UTC)

Oh wait he changed it, yeh I'll talk to him.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:25, April 22, 2018 (UTC)

Oh no it's fine, you were in the right I just misunderstood what you said.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:31, April 22, 2018 (UTC)

Curse words

Are the words "shit" and "hell" not allowed on this wiki? I ask because QuakingStar claims they are perfectly fine to use, and I just want to make certain he wasn't breaking any of the rules. ExyleCage (talk) 20:02, April 23, 2018 (UTC)

They are fine to use if you use them like "hell today was shit" and not like "go to hell you little shit", look here Dragon Ball Wiki:Rules/Profanity shit is on the list now hell should be because it is used in the series. But I think it isn't on the list because technically it isn't profanity.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:44,4/23/2018 

Goku Being in Pure Progress

What was your reason for removing Goku from Pure Progress? If it because of the thought that he belongs in Saiyan Power, then it is a mistake. Goku's Ultra Instinct forms filled all of the requirements of Pure Progress and allow him to increase his abilities the longer he fought Jiren. It is very much superior to the Saiyan Power since Goku was not at near death in order for the Saiyan Power to work, and that is because the Pure Progress ability was already providing the increase for him. I urge to consider this because I've been at an edit conflict with DragonEmperor on the subject. RnR (talk) 00:20, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Saiyan Power does not just refer to the Saiyan ability to power up by recovering from near death ("Zenkai"), it also refers to the Saiyans' ability to rapidly get stronger as they fight. Goku was experiencing the "get stronger as he fights" aspect of Saiyan Power rather than the Pure Progress.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:10, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

I think you're taking the "get stronger as he fights" a bit too far of context. While Saiyan Power does indeed allow a Saiyan to become stronger after every fight they're, that is they recover from said fight after being from near. It was shown multiples times in cannon that the Sayian in question was greatly wounded and only gained in crease power after recovering. For example, Vegeta was only to gain his power boost from his fight with Zarbon in his transformed state after he blasted himself out of the Medical Machine. Another example is after his fight with Recoome. It is only after Vegeta healed via a Senzu provided by Goku was he able to kill Recoome when it even his strongest blasts only able just blast his uniform off. It the "get stronger as he fights" was truley a part of Saiyan, then Vegeta would defeated both Zarbon and Recoome without having to need a Senzu or a Medical Machine in order to finish them off.

Now granted, I'm not saying that Goku has the Pure Progress ability out outright, just whenever he accesses his Ultra Instinct forms. That it because it was stated by Piccolo in the DBS episode "Son Goku Wakes! New Level of the Awakened!!" when Goku accessed the form in the first time that when Goku continued to fight Jiren, his attacks were became able to "continue to evolve as fought", "hitting quicker sharper, and heavier", improving both his power and technique.This is no different than Hit's Pure Progress of increase his techniques (i.e. his Time-Skip) and Ganos' Pure Progress of increasing his raw power the longer he fought. This is also the case when Goku gained his Ultra Instinct transformation during his final fight with Jiren. Even after Jiren unlocked his hidden power, Goku' Ultra Instinct form was able to increase his speed and his strength in mid-battle, making it vastly superior to the increases that Saiyan Power provides.

Additionally, the only instance when the Sayain was only able to allow a Saiyan to become stronger as they fought was instance of Goku Black in the anime when even minor injuries and moments of pain was increase Black power and decimate Goku and Vegeta. However, this ability of advanced Zenkai is not seen either Goku or Vegeta after the Zamasu arc. Even then, the Saiyan Power formula of growing stronger after recovering from a fight was still the same in the Dragon Ball Super manga when Black required Future Zamasu's healing abilities in order to grow stronger.

(God this was a long one.) Now, my point of this is not give Goku any sort of hype or anything, just that he fits in Pure Progress since he fill out the requirements and more. Also, I want it to go on the record that this is not to discredit Goku's Saiyan Power by any means. RnR (talk) 15:09, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Toriyama said Saiyan's get stronger as they battle a strong foe (go to "Compared to Beerus, God of Destruction, how strong is [Super Saiyan] God?")--Neffyarious (talk) 15:38, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

I saw the article. Although I respect Toriyama as a creator, his statement seems contradictory to what has shown and stated in both the manga and anime, leaving much to question.RnR (talk) 15:58, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Well it's official, the Super anime also has SSG Goku get stronger as he battles Beerus.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:06, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

That was only after the energy of SSJG healed Goku after Beerus dealt a near fatal blow. Goku was only able to keep up with Beerus after that point. RnR (talk) 16:13, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

No, in their initial fight he keeps improving - getting used to the SSG form, later on he retains the God power in SS, begins to fight better, is overpowered by the Sphere of Destruction, then in base manages to destroy it when he previously could not as an SS.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:32, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

That wasn't even the Saiyan Power working for him. That was simply Goku adjusting to the energy of Super Saiyan God. It's no different from what he does with his other Super Saiyan forms. It was only after he adjusted to the Godly ki that he was able to use it to strengthen his regular Super Saiyan form. The Saiyan Power to do with it, it was still the Godly ki working for him. RnR (talk) 16:38, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Toriyama said (in relation to SSG Goku vs Beerus) that a Saiyan fighting a strong foe would result in their strength rapidly increasing, which is what was happening here, his fight with Beerus was what allowed him to adjust to SSG, thereby making him stronger. To be honest it does not really matter whether it was in effect or not in the Super anime, Toriyama still stated it and his statements are official info. Saiyan Power is simply the Saiyan variant of Pure Progress, as QuakingStar also said.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:44, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

And yet, I already said that his statement contradicted the method of Saiyan Power in both the manga and anime. Even if they were his words, the inconsistencies they bare only leave their credibility to question. RnR (talk)

Their official so that's good enough. I also don't think they inconsistent.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:14, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Simply saying "that's good enough" isn't an argument. I've already said that Toriyama's statement does not line up with the Saiyan Power was presented in the magna and anime prior. If you can say "that's good enough" despite all that has been presented, and then say you don't think they're inconsistent rather consider the fact, then you honestly had a weak reason to remove Goku from Pure Progress. That would be like me putting Goku in Pure Progress all because I think he belongs there without any information to back up my claims. RnR (talk) 18:35, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

However, it's simply your opinion that Toriyama's statement cannot possibly line up with the series. While Toriyama's statement is official. Official statement > Fan opinion.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:30, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

It isn't an opinion. It's common sense and piecing the evidence together. Simply stating "that's just your opinion" does not help your case. I have already stated this before. The "get stronger as he fights" method Toriyama stated does not line up with the method that has been set in the Dragon Ball series. Again, when Vegeta was defeated by Zarbon after he transformed, he was only able to gain the Saiyan Power AFTER being in the Medical Machine. And again, he was only able to to gain the Saiyan Power when he greatly wounded by Reccoome AFTER Goku gave him a Senzu. Another example is Gohan's gaining the Saiyan Power AFTER Dende healed him from his confrontation with Frieza in his second form. So I repeat, Toriyama's "get stronger as he fights" statement of Saiyan does not line up with the method of a Saiyan increasing in power from near fatal experiences when the latter method has been shown multiple times in both the manga and the anime. Thus, the argument you're presenting is weak with little to support it. It would honestly be appropriate to be mindful that creators can contradict themselves at times instead simply taking whatever they say as an absolute fact without bothering to consider the possibility of their words baring inconsistencies. RnR (talk) 19:43, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

All his "Super Saiyan White" transformation did was sharpen his mental abilities and his bodies physical abilities, allowing him to use the mastered ultra instinct and allowing his body to use a maximized and heightened version of Saiyan Power. Pure Progress btw, is what other races use when they have similar abilities to the Saiyan Power.. so saying Goku has Pure Progress is redundant. QuakingStar (talk) 13:16, April 25, 2018 (UTC) 

Look man, this wiki makes changes based off community input, with admin final decision. Him an I both agreed it was unneccessary to add that and you alone disagreed. You persisting to argue won't help your case. QuakingStar (talk) 20:08, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Community agreement does not make your argument any more correct. Even if I am alone, I presented evidence and have yet to reasonable counter other than "just your opinion". If that is case, then it shows that method of operating the wiki is nothing short of faulty and bias, solely relying on the words of others instead of facts that are given. And the fact there are mods going by this mentality says much of how poorly information is presented. RnR (talk)

The "near death power up" Saiyan Power is widely inconsistent, Vegeta goes from PL 18,000 to PL 24,000 with one, Goku goes from PL 80,000 to PL 3,000,000 with one. Anime Black's Saiyan Power somehow makes him stronger just through feeling pain. This inconsistent factor could easily apply to the "power up during battle" Saiyan Power, simply Zarbon and Recoome were not strong enough foes to cause Vegeta to increase power rapidly, or perhaps the fight was too short in-universe for the power gap to decrease, while Beerus and Jiren were strong enough foes for Goku, or their fights were long enough etc.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:14, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

The power levels are irrelevant, only the methods are being argued, not of how strong they make a character. Goku Black is a different because Zamasu was to harness the Saiyan Power and enhance beyond a Saiyan's usual Zenakai, likely because his godly abilities were synchronizing with Goku's power. Yet such an enhancement has been not been seen either Goku or Vegeta as I stated before. I also stated that reason why Goku was able to close the gap in power in between him and Jiren was because the Pure Progress ability continuously increased his power the longer he fought Jiren, just as Ganos was able to increase his power the longer he fought Roshi.RnR (talk) 20:22, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

As I said, a strong foe is what is needed to induce the mid battle power up, and it happens over the course of a battle, so those foes may not have been strong enough or the battle may have not been long enough. What you said about Black is speculation which could be applied to UI Goku (e.g. going beyond his limit increase the potency of his mid battle power up).--Neffyarious (talk) 20:37, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

If you're saying that Goku's Ultra Instinct forms enhance his Saiyan Power rather than simply Saiyan Power alone, similar to Black's enhancement, then I completely understand your reasoning. RnR (talk) 20:43, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Here's the thing. Pure Progress is Hit's ability to adapt while fighting. It has nothing to do with getting stronger. All of the other characters on Pure Progress shouldn't be there due to the fact they actually grow stronger, while Hit just gets better. There has been no implication made that Pure Progress is the overall ability to improve while fighting. It has, however, been confirmed that Hit, specifically, has this specific ability. The differences between Hit's ability and the others who "have" Pure Progress are too different to consider them even remotely the same. ExyleCage (talk) 20:40, April 25, 2018 (UTC)

Imperfect Instinct

Separate this into two pages of because this video. DragonEmeperor (talk) 00:24, April 26, 2018 (UTC)

Why separate it into two page? Just add the details from 110 to the current page I reckon.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:49, April 26, 2018 (UTC)

I did the best I could. You could fill in anything I missed. DragonEmeperor (talk) 20:23, April 26, 2018 (UTC)

Fused Zamasu Talk page

Neff, could you move Talk:Fusion Zamasu over to Talk:Fused Zamasu. It was never renamed with the main page for some reason. DragonEmeperor (talk) 18:56, April 29, 2018 (UTC)

Re:Fused Zamsau

I asked you once before to add the kanji to "God Zamas." Do you know why I asked you to do that? Because there is none. Zamasu says「全宇宙における唯一の神 . . . ザマスの誕生だ」in the original, which translates to "The only god in the entire Universe . . . the birth of Zamasu." He ends off with "Zamasu" just like he does in the anime.
I have NO clue why Viz decided to add in "God" before his name when it is clearly not in the original. The little bit to the side says「最凶の神、誕生 . . . !!」 which does not support Viz either. This means that "God Zamas" is not a recognized name of the character. Toyotaro does not recognize it because he did not write it; it's something Viz made up. He, along with everyone else, uses the character's proper name: Fused Zamasu.
I decided to keep "God Zamas" instead of removing it because Viz is still an official provider, but it should not be used as a "manga name" for the character because it is not in the original. It is simply an alternate name. Lightning Laxus (talk) 15:21, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

The fact remains that we go with the official Englosh Translated name for each character and technique. We call IT Instant Transmission, the Garlic Gun the Galick Gun, and we even call Bulma by the name Bulma Briefs when Briefs isn't even in the original translation. ExyleCage (talk) 17:53, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

We use the English name even if it does not exist at all in the Japanese (like the guy "Kami" possessed, we call him Hero instead of "Shen"). So it does not matter if "God Zamas" aint anywhere in the Japanese, it's what he calls himself in the English version, so that's what we use.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:37, April 30, 2018 (UTC)

why are you two changing the edits its not vandalism. the info was innacurate

well sorry but i ahve to disagree with you. you do know the source contradicts what he says right. also  kinda new to this fandom thing  how do i go to the  talk page

oh i  got it now.

Zamasu's VA

I was wondering if you wouldn't adding an input to Zamasu's talkpage in regarding his Voice Actor. I provided a couple sources including from Anime News Network and IMBd that states that Sam, David, and James are all the same person.--Made up Character Wiki/Dragon Ball Fanon Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Things I do [mod] 23:03, May 1, 2018 (UTC)


Sorry, I forgot my password and has to use a new account. Im User:Bamomani. Just wanna ask is there a rule about quotes on the Emperor Pilaf page? Just want to know, Im new here. And can I request to allow a new one? Not that it is a big of deal, I just think it would be a much better quote. TheDancingClown1 (talk) 10:53, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

If you want the quote changed you gotta put it on Talk:Emperor Pilaf first, then a discussion can be had to decide whether the quote should be used or not.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:28, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Just did it. Should you answer? Just asking.TheDancingClown1 (talk) 13:39, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Not necessarily, I'll put in input if I feel I need too.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:51, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

I will wait for answers. Still I think the quote I add would be better.TheDancingClown1 (talk) 16:29, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

For a minor matter like this, if you wait a week and the consensus is in your favor then you can change the page, though it could always be changed back if discussions start up again.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:35, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Can we remove the video then?

Hi, is there a way to remove the video though?  Because I've seen the episode where Trunks turned anger and that's why I googled it.  As someone who follows the English dub I didn't know Trunks killed Black, and there was no spoiler warning.  I wouldn't have minded if I'd gone to Future Trunks' page or Blacks', but I don't think when looking at an article about a form the rest of the season should be spoiled because of such a simple thing. Game Thruz (talk) 16:58, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Nah it's impossible to remove, wikia put it there not us, we have no control over it or any other page-top video.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:14, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks man, I thought maybe the admins could remove it.  That other guy that answered?  Don't make him admin, he's rude.  I appreciate your answers though. Game Thruz (talk) 22:41, May 2, 2018 (UTC)

Ultra Instinct

Neff, can you protect the redirect, some people keep vandalizing it. DragonEmeperor (talk) 17:15, May 3, 2018 (UTC)

Sure.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:37, May 3, 2018 (UTC)

Redirect Links

Why not go through and lock every redirection link permanently? It'd cause less vandalism. ExyleCage (talk) 17:48, May 3, 2018 (UTC)

That's quite tedious and also unnecessary, a non-admin might actually need to alter them at some point.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:50, May 3, 2018 (UTC)

Should future characters who died off screen and was erased have both categories or just the erased characters category. DragonEmeperor (talk) 02:35, May 4, 2018 (UTC)

Both I'd say.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:01, May 4, 2018 (UTC)

Edit War

There's an edit war going on over at the God's Crimson Radiance page. Mind locking it up so they stop? ExyleCage (talk) 04:10, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

Alright, then fine. Have Neff lock it ExyleCage cause I don't give up without a fight! Just know I already told my reason why Goku started out fighting Zamasu and Goku Black as Super Saiyan using God's Crimson Radiance. You and DragonEmperor can't prove and tell me any reason for undoing my edits when I just proved it over and over. Personally, I think the admins or whoever is in charge should be doing the unediting, not non-admins like you and me. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

My dude, you legit removed this from Neff's Talk Page without his permission. Besides, I'm not the one you were arguing with over this. Dragon was. I was playing mediator because you snapped and full capped him. ExyleCage (talk) 04:58, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

That was accidental, ok? I'm using my phone and accidentally pushed Publish without saying anything. Ok? And second, I snapped and argued with Dragon because he was undoing my edits yet again without telling me why he undid it. Plus, you jumped in out of nowhere when it was just me and him, so technically you're part of the argument as well. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

Goku using "god's crimson radiance" anytime outside of BoG (and it's adaptations) is speculation.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:38, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

Then why did he started out with Super Saiyan when he first fought Goku Black and later Zamasu? Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

It was Super Saiyan 2, and it's because that's the level of power he needed to fight them.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:14, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah ok, but it still doesn't explain how Goku wasn't able to hit Beerus when he used Super Saiyan 1-3. It was until after he had the Super Saiyan God power. When the form expired, he was using plain old Super Saiyan against Beerus, but somehow managed to keep up with him. Then he started mastering the energy of a god in other Super Saiyan forms afterwards and later he went Super Saiyan 2 against Zamasu and Goku Black. But I don't think it was just plain old Super Saiyan 2, it had to be some power up he had in his Super Saiyan 2. Heck, even Goku Black didn't use any Super Saiyan in the anime, but Goku did (due to Trunks' description of his strength) Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

It's speculation though. The info we are given is that Goku gets SSG's power in his SS form in BoG, masters it. Then in ResF he and Vegeta get God-like Saiyan - which is using SSG without changing form - and that going SS with results in SSGSS, which makes it seem like SS no longer has any connection with the god power. It's all very inconsistent and confusing so we just have to take what we are given.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:15, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

Really?? Alright, then. Last question: where do you get information from? Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

Which information? You mean about this subject or just in general?--Neffyarious (talk) 17:44, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

Both. Overall. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

The majority would be from the Kanzenshuu forums, they get most info first.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:43, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

Alright. Like ExyleCage said: "Screw this". Literally, screw this right in the down under. It makes absolutely no freaking sense how people say that regular Super Saiyan forms 1-2 is enough to take on deities without God's Crimson Radiance. Its clear on what they showed in Goku's fight as Super Saiyan 1 and 2 against Beerus and later Zamasu and Goku Black. If you don't know what I'm talking about, then please look closely over those fights. Especially to what people edited in the Usage and Power of the pages between God-like Saiyan, Super Saiyan Blue and God's Crimson Radiance. Kanzenshuu forums looks to be all over the place regarding this Trait. And DragonEmperor didn't tell me why he undid my edits yet a-freaking-gain. He'll just keep undoing and undoing until someone like ExyleCage will fight his battles for him or gives a reason why he did so. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

a full deity was scared of a regular Super Saiyan and got rekt by Majin Buu, so that don't mean anything. In this case the info is not from Kanzenshuu. Your just speculating.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:08, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

So we get information ONLY from Kanzenshuu instead of what was shown in the anime itself, right? Which means no editing until new info was made by them? You know what, just forget it, Neff. I'm done with this. It's no speculation if what I said was shown in the anime, so whatever. Believe what you want. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

I meant I personally get info from Kanzenshuu - like DBH stuff. Thanks you for ceasing to add speculation.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:31, May 11, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, you're welcome. And thank you for telling me where you get your precious info from. Unbelievable. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

And it's not a speculation. You get info from website. I get info from watching the anime and movie themselves. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

Broly Dark

I need help renaming Broly: Xeno to Broly Dark. DragonEmeperor (talk) 00:45, May 13, 2018 (UTC)

Doubts, Speculations, and Hypocrisy

When I first came to Dragon Ball Wiki, I wanted to think that you and people like DragonEmperor were smart enough to know about ALL of the Dragon Ball franchise and everything. Right until when I read what was going on between you, DragonEmperor, ExyleCage and Rey0194 about speculations and where you get your sources from. I started to have my doubts cause you just admitted recently where you personally get info from. It made me frustrated about the ENTIRE Dragon Ball Wiki. Is it really true that the majority of your sources are from a pointless website? I went to that Kanzenshuu Forums website and learned that website is nothing but discussions of Dragon Ball. I looked up Super Saiyan 3 from both Dragon Ball Wiki and Kanzenshuu Forums, and learned all that Usage and Power descriptions from both sites are the EXACT SAME. Did you or anyone else get the info about Super Saiyan 3 from them?? How do you know if they're right? Did they got the info from the creators of Dragon Ball themselves?? Did the dialogue within the anime, manga, movies, or video games said anything about Super Saiyan 3 being 4x the strength of SSJ2, 8x the power of normal Super Saiyan, and 400x the power Saiyan base form?? Kanzenshuu Forums is just full of discussions of Dragon Ball. The people on that website are not even the creators of Dragon Ball so what they say is non-canon. You could've least get info from websites that actually HAVE Dragon Ball creators on them. What other edits did you put on Dragon Ball Wiki from that Kanzenshuu Forums nonsense?? Rey's edits had some sense about God's Crimson Radiance cause I saw what he was trying to say. He was referring to Goku's fights with gods as Super Saiyan 1 and 2 in Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods and Dragon Ball Super episodes 5,13,50, and 53. Goku made a huge difference in Super Saiyan Forms because of the Super Saiyan God power. Someone even mentioned in the God's Crimson Radiance page that Goku and Vegeta mastered energies of a god IN THEIR SUPER SAIYAN STATES!!! Think about it! No god power means you can't fight a deity!! If Super Saiyans with no god power (like Gohan, Goten, or Kid Trunks) went against Zamasu, they would have been dead even with their Super Saiyan Forms 1 to 3 cause they had no god power! Goku has the god power in his Super Saiyan Forms 1 and 2 when he fought Beerus, Goku Black, and Zamasu. So what Rey said made perfect sense! And your point about Shin made no sense cause it was stupid. Shin and Zamasu are not the same person. Shin was afraid to fight Super Saiyans, but ZAMASU WASN'T. And Shin never did ANY hand to hand martial arts combat in Dragon Ball! He only displayed he can fight with his power. He does martial arts in video games, but NOT in the movies, animes, and mangas! That's 3/4 so that means him doing martial arts isn't canon. Zamasu can display martial arts cause it was shown in the anime, mangas, and video games. Whis even explained that he can in Dragon Ball Super episode 51. You allowed Rey's edits to get erased by DragonEmperor (who CLEARLY cries to be an admin by undoing everyone's edits) just for watching what he saw in the Dragon Ball Super anime, but not his or YOUR edits because of a non-canon sources you got information from???? The way I see it, YOU are the speculating hypocrite, Neff. You, DragonEmperor (Mr. I undo edits cause I wanna be admin so badly), and whoever. You got your sources from a non-canon pointless website instead of the movies, mangas, anime, games or even REAL CREATORS of Dragon Ball themselves! Rey just exposed you for what you and DragonEmperor really are. HYPOCRITES!!!! 🖕🖕🖕—This unsigned comment was made by JohnRich23 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • Kanzenshuu translate official sources, we use their translations. There is no official canon. The stuff about god's crimson radiance is speculation. It's never been said that non-gods cannot beat gods etc.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:35, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

That's not good enough, Hypocrite!!! What makes you so certain that Kanzenshuu Forums got info from the creators like Toei Animation or Akira Toriyama and NOT a group of fans from Japan???—This unsigned comment was made by JohnRich23 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Cuz I check the majority of the original sources myself first and always try to attach them when sourcing on pages. I also trust the Kanzenshuu admins who supply the info (Herms and TheDevilsCorpse for example). Please make sure and sign your posts with the tildes (These: ~~~~).--Neffyarious (talk) 19:20, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

My dude, you realize Kazenshuu get their information from literal interviews and official sources and whatnot. Herms is literally recognized as possibly the most trustworthy Dragon Ball fan in the US. Why WOULDN'T we trust the guy? ExyleCage (talk) 20:01, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

Cause ExyleCage, it's just one "Dragon Ball FAN". He may be a big fan, but he's just a fan like you, me, and everyone else. He ain't no celebrity. And Neff, if you think his translations are legit, then fine, but you're still a hypocrite for saying you get your sources from Kanzenshuu Forums rather than the original sources. Also, I don't know why the hell you don't do anything about DRAGONEMPEROR. This guy is CLEARLY a problem because he undoes everyone's edit without giving a REASON why he does!! It's like you love this guy more than everyone else on Fandom which isn't fair!!! People come to you about this guy, and you do absolutely nothing about him!! You just keep giving him chance after chance after chance, which quite frankly, he doesn't deserve more than he should! JohnRich23 (talk) 21:00, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

Enough with your personal attacks. Even Funimation has been known to retweet what the man says. Why? Because he's TRUSTWORTHY. He gets paid for this kind of stuff. He IS an official source, regardless of your personal beliefs. Stop attacking Neff and Dragon just because you don't like the way we do things here. ExyleCage (talk) 21:20, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks for trying to help me out John. But I don't think these guys are gonna do anything about DragonEmperor. People who had problems with DragonEmperor came to this guy, but let's face it. He's not gonna do anything about him. 😑😑😑 Also dude, you can trust Herms, alright? I looked him up and he's got most of Dragon Ball info from the people who got info from the creators. Everyone has their different sources. I'm not hurt by this at all. Sure it's stupid, but Herms is cool. So just let it all go, alright man?? 👍👍 Also don't pay attention to ExyleCage. He comes out of nowhere and doesn't shut up when two people have a conversation. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

I know I'm not a part of this talk page, but I've never seen anything wrong with DragonEmperor edits, if anything he fixes minor bugs and grammar mistakes, undoing unconfirmed or headcanon additions to articles. He isnt writting what he has fixed, simply because he's fixing so many things at the same time that it would be a waste of his time. Either way in my perspective, DragonEmperor is a great help for me and other people creating this wiki. MeshifuariArimota (talk) 23:47, May 14, 2018 (CET)

DragonEmeperor can be kind of a dick sometimes, but he does more good than harm on the wiki - if he has done any harm at all. In my experience, people who have a problem with people like DragonEmeperor are those who know they're in the wrong, but can't admit it. They're the people who add speculation, headcanon, ignore rules, ignore consensus, etc., because they want things done their way, even if their way is wrong.

PS: Yelling and insulting others doesn't make you right and doesn't make people agree with you. It makes you look like a spoiled brat who isn't used to the word "No".

Orion (T-B-C) 21:58, May 14, 2018 (UTC) − Fine. I'm letting this go then. I guess your thoughts and theories doesn't have to be legit on some stupid page or website. Also Meshifuari, it's fine if he's been a great help to you and others with fixing minor bugs and grammar, but he doesn't explain himself why he undoes everyone's edit sometimes. And I hope he doesn't erase everyone else's argument with him cause he did that before with Rey. And sorry if Im being a "spoiled brat"........ but I ain't spoiled Orion you damn punk! 😑 JohnRich23 (talk) 22:09, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

Looll 😂😂 alright, man. By the looks of things, Im glad the heat has settled down. Again John, thanks for the attempt to help me out bro. Appreciate it. 👊👊 Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

No problem, bro lol 👊👊 JohnRich23 (talk) 22:22, May 14, 2018 (UTC)

I always message Dragon after someone reports him, but he's never done anything block worthy. If someone's edit is undone they are meant to take it to the page's talk page, even if no reason was given, a reason should be given - but it does not have to be. I get my sources from the original source too obviously, but I get from Kanzenshuu Japanese only stuff like DBH, guidebooks etc.--Neffyarious (talk) 23:30, May 14, 2018 (UTC

A'ight man, sorry for accusing you of Hypocrisy. This whole thing about what you get your sources from had blown my thoughts about Dragon Ball Wiki for a day. If this Herms guy got all the info, then fine (still think it's not original sources like he made Dragon Ball, but that's my opinion). Speaking of DragonEmperor, where is this kid?? Did someone put a mute-button on that boy?? He's been silent this entire argument like he want someone to fight his battles for him. 😑 JohnRich23 (talk) 01:17, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Never mind him, John. Like you said he's just a kid. Besides, this isn't the first time he stayed quiet when someone reports his name to Neff. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

Alright JohnRich23 (talk) 01:22, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

I been watching you two argue about not getting your way. Everything I wanted to say about the sources was already told to you two. DragonEmeperor (talk) 01:28, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Great. He unmuted himself. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

Yeah right. Right after Neff said it, you wanted to say it too?? You damn liar. 😑 JohnRich23 (talk) 01:40, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah. Just shut up DragonEmperor. And it's not about us not getting our way. Rey0194 (User talk:Rey0194)

Hey, your the ones flipping out about stuff. I'm just cleaning up old pages. DragonEmeperor (talk) 02:01, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

We already put this to sleep, so shut up you coward!! Go back to cleaning up old pages like a good little boy since you clearly just lied about what you said! 🖕🖕 Rey0194 (talk) 02:10, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what people are seeing in this DragonEmperor kid, but whatever. JohnRich23 (talk) 02:29, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Future Trunks

Hey Neff, should we make a separate page of Trunks: Xeno due to having go through a different events, like his parallel counterpart. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:20, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

  • Nah we can't, DBO says Future Trunks and Time Patroller Trunks are the same person, so we gotta keep Trunks: Xeno on Future Trunks' page until something says he's different.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:27, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

But DBO is likely no longer canon, also Trunks: Xeno is clearly not THE Future Trunks since he had no prior knowledge of Beerus, as well as having never meeting a second version of himself. TheAwesomeHyperon (talk) 18:43, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

There is no official canon. Since DBO says they are the same, and nothing says they are not it cannot be changed.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:03, June 22, 2018 (UTC)

"Citation needed"

Is there a "statute of limitations" on those? When should the unsourced statements be removed if no source can be found?

Orion (T-B-C) 10:54, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

I'd say if no source has been supplied after a decent period of time, if someone wants it removed at that point they contact the user who originally put the statement there - if there is no reply or the user does not provide a source it can be removed.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:58, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

Define "a decent period of time".

Orion (T-B-C) 10:58, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

A week.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:01, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

A user is trying to avoid the one week ban you gave him

The user named, "Son Gohan 1805" has made a new account to avoid his ban. It's called Son Temperary. (yes it's "Temperary", not the correct way to spell it). Gohanrocks123456 (talk) 18:51, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Took care of him and gave his sock puppet a perma-block and a 1 month-long block to his main account. I don't know if it's too long or short, tho. ~ Yon ~Great King Cold SDBH World Mission artworkVisit my talk page! 19:37, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

No, 1 month is long enough.

Gohanrocks123456 (talk) 20:00, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Yon.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:46, May 18, 2018 (UTC)

Question is anyone going to create a wiki page for Janemba: Xeno.—This unsigned comment was made by Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Yeah, someone will eventually, you can do it if you want.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:25, May 19, 2018 (UTC)

Son Gohan 1805 is still abusing accounts

The spckpuppets got a perma ban, but Yon and I are wondering if his main, Son Gohan 1805 should get perma banned. As well as an IP perma ban.

--Gohanrocks123456 (talk) 12:39, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Huge Problem About to Unfold

So, Dragon just confronted 0551E80Y, and I have a feeling they're about to go at it, so you may wanna keep an eye on that. ExyleCage (talk) 02:28, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I have it under control. I'm dealing with DragonEmperor's issues and doing everything i can to avoid in him becoming blocked. 0551E80Y (talk) 02:37, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I'm wasn't having a issue, I was just removing junk trivia. But, 0551E80Y has been hounding me since his promotion and its not working out. DragonEmeperor (talk) 02:45, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Saying "Junk trivia" for other user's edits if it isn't vandilism doesn't help your case. And i said "Issues" as in plural, the main one of you not leaving edit summaries. Neffyarious has also told you the same thing as well. See my talk page for details. 0551E80Y (talk) 02:52, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

I'm not the only user that doesn't leave them. Your only targeting me for some reason, what did I do you? DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:02, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Link me to other users removing other peoples work without a reason  on my talk page then. It's kind of hard to find them when your edits are the most frequent ones appearing on the recent wiki activity page, drowning nearly everything else out. I'm trying to stop a user getting real upset with you one day because of you doing that and comes to us admins demanding to block you by confronting this.  0551E80Y (talk) 03:05, May 28, 2018 (UTC)

Use see all activity then, its easier to search through that when I mass edit. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:11, May 28, 2018 (UTC)


Can i habe acces to tne delted article strenghted super sayian 2 i need it because im going to.movr the i information on to heroes wiki—This unsigned comment was made by Molly Baker (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!


Hey Neff, can you help out on the talk page. Me and Rogeta are stuck in a deadlock discussion. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:55, June 17, 2018 (UTC)

RE: Ult Goku

It is not wrong. Potential Unleashed and Super Saiyan are two different things. Gohan himself proved able to use Super Saiyan forms on top of this state both against Beerus in Battle of Gods movie and when helping Goku gain Super Saiyan God.--Steveo920 (talk) 22:04, June 25, 2018 (UTC)

  • Yah I get that some media says it's possible, it just does not need to be mentioned - in the game with Ult Goku Goku is perma stuck in SS.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:43, June 26, 2018 (UTC)

Well at the same time, it was never established that Goku is stuck in Super Saiyan while using Potential Unleashed. I never said that Goku can use Super Saiyan Blue on top of Potential Unleashed since it was never shown, I am just going with Super Saiyan since that is what was shown.--Steveo920 (talk) 15:17, June 26, 2018 (UTC)

  • We don't know if Goku can stack SS on to Ult or if Ult makes him look like SS tho ya see, so we cannot have that on the page, the picture speaks for itself anyway, so readers will reach the conclusion themselves as to whether it's a stacking or not, there's no need to mention it.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:49, June 26, 2018 (UTC)

Canon or not, it was the same power that Gohan got from Old Kai, the latter of which noted that transforming isn't necessary, just an added buffer to one who has the Potential Unleashed state.--Steveo920 (talk) 18:22, June 26, 2018 (UTC) Could put that at all times that Goku is using Ult he's in SS.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:07, June 27, 2018 (UTC)

This is similar to Frieza's Golden form. In recent games, it was shown that it is more of a special state than actual transformation as Cooler is able to use it on top of his fifth form. --Steveo920 (talk) 12:40, June 27, 2018 (UTC)

Okay, makes sense to note that Goku has always used SS with PU.--Steveo920 (talk) 19:16, June 27, 2018 (UTC)

Why are you so against calling it what it is? Its Potential Unleashed Goku using Super Saiyan. Ergo, Potential Unleashed Super Saiyan. Gohan has been called this so a non-canon Goku should be as well.--Steveo920 (talk) 18:06, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

Im not, that's why im leaving it in, just with more ambiguous wording. There is no canon. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:09, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry if my edits came off as an edit war, but I still say that it is wrong to word it that way. It implies that Goku can only use Potential Unleashed while in Super Saiyan form.--Steveo920 (talk) 21:27, August 5, 2018 (UTC)

I figure the current "Goku always appears as a Super Saiyan in this state" is good, it's factual and does not necessarily imply that Goku can only use PU while in SS, it's also ambiguous enough and uses only the info we are given to ensure that there's no added speculation. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:33, August 5, 2018 (UTC)


Please talk to him because I just told him that we couldn't change Kanba's name yet and he still did it anyway. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:34, June 27, 2018 (UTC)

He's still changing it, so can just lock the page because its starting to turn into a edit war. DragonEmeperor (talk) 18:54, June 28, 2018 (UTC)

Regarding DragonEmporer

He's causing an edit war stating that Vegeta was the one who wanted a test before the Tournament of Destroyers, which is not the case as it was planned at the very beginning. I suggesting talking to him to cut it out or block him for sometime.Rogeta234 (talk) 03:08, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

Vegeta was the one who said they should have a test so they wouldn't have a stupid fighter on each team in the sub version. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:12, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

At least put that up in the episode saying that occured in the Japanese dub.Rogeta234 (talk) 03:13, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

You should know too. I'm sure you watched the subbed version as well. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:17, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

I've only heard about that. You or him should've put that up from the beginning.Rogeta234 (talk) 03:19, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

So has this been resolved then?--Neffyarious (talk) 10:39, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

Yes. DragonEmeperor (talk) 17:43, July 5, 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring

The user DragomEmeperor is edit warring and adding false information on Xeno Vegeta's article. Bargeta (talk) 02:37, July 6, 2018 (UTC)

I just told you, he still appears in the Prison Planet Saga even if nots the anime or manga. Heroes is following the same pattern Super does, having different ways of doing the story in each media. DragonEmeperor (talk) 02:40, July 6, 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, I found the correct info but I did not add false information, he was listed in the Prison Planet Saga. see.

Splitting Trunks page.

You seem a bit more familiar with the whole Dragon Ball Heroes content than me but should we not split Trunks' page up like we did with Goku and Goku: Xeno and the rest? I don't know if it was a bit more confusing regarding Trunks but at the moment it seems like there's the main Future Trunks from Z and Super and now the one who is imprisoned on the Prison Planet aka the blue haired version and then there's a different one who is a member of the Time Patrol and is currently alongside Goku: Xeno in the Demigra Assault Saga aka the purple haired version.

They can't be one and the same can they?Bullza (talk) 11:25, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

  • I agree that they cannot be the same, but DB Online and Chap1 of Dark Demon Realm Mission say that Trunks: Xeno is the same Trunks from right after the Android Saga, so that means there is official material that says they are the same - and no material that directly says they are not.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:54, July 8, 2018 (UTC)
Maybe the Trunks from the manga was just from another alternate timeline similar to the main one. That Trunks was right after the Android saga, he met Chronoa who told him time travel was illegal and shortly after he'd learned how to become a Super Saiyan 3.
Then there's blue haired Trunks who would be from a later period because he was years after the Android saga and he didn't know what Super Saiyan 3 was and only learned time travel was illegal from Beerus and Whis. So they led two completely separate lives. I'll see what the people on Kanzenshuu say about it.Bullza (talk) 18:08, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

See that's the issue: "maybe" he was from a another similar timeline. Maybe he could also have served as a Time Patroller post-Cell, then left the group after the "Xeno" events and returned to his own time - with his memory of being a Time Patroller removed for whatever reason. Unlikely but not impossible.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:09, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Potential Unleashed Goten

I know I've seen the evidence. But what does it say to confirm he has it?Rogeta234 (talk) 22:13, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

  • This is the same as this (same japanese characters for the name of Goten: Xeno's new form and Ult Gohan, as you can see it also says "potential" in both urls).--Neffyarious (talk) 22:24, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Okay, thank you.Rogeta234 (talk) 23:52, July 8, 2018 (UTC)

Goku beating Goku: Xeno

Where did this happen? It's listed on the Goku: Xeno page that "Goku defeats Goku: Xeno, who is left to catch his breath after the battle, realizing that his counterpart is a step above him." It's also listed under the Power section under Manga but I've gone through the first two chapters and I don't see anything that suggests that at all just as it didn't in the anime. Was is it in the game instead?Bullza (talk) 13:43, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

It happened in the manga. Prophecy 17:43, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Happened in-game, the source is on the SS4 page's Power section.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:51, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Ah right well it's listed under the manga which might confuse people so I'll have to change that.Bullza (talk) 19:53, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Broly 4

Neff, don't forget to change the DB Super movie links on the main page in Template:Wiki News and Template:News. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:07, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Parallel World Merge

Okay, Here's an example of Parallel Goku's page after the merging. But, do I leave The Path to Power on Goku's page since Lieutenant Blue is completely different from is General counterpart. DragonEmeperor (talk) 23:04, July 9, 2018 (UTC)

Oh right, Path to Power has never been referenced to occur in a parallel world, so we gotta leave that on the main pages too.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:32, July 10, 2018 (UTC)

As for the test page, Return of Cooler was released before Android 13, but the Daiz says it occurs after. I'll probably make a test page at a later date myself.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:41, July 10, 2018 (UTC)


Should I rename Broly to Parallel Broly and create his Super counterpart page with the redirect? DragonEmeperor (talk) 23:53, July 10, 2018 (UTC)

  • No not yet.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:51, July 11, 2018 (UTC)


Hey Neff, I want to turn this account into a bot. DragonEmeperor (talk) 02:09, July 12, 2018 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I don't know anything about bots, best to ask a bureaucrat.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:56, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Broly Pages

Wouldnt it be better for the non-canon movie version be Broly (Movie Counterpart) or Broly (Non-canon)? Something easier than Parallel Broly? Beyonder (talk) 02:23, July 12, 2018 (UTC)Beyonder

Deadzone's Location in the Continuity

My dude, the Deadzone movie doesn't fit into the continuity. It would completely undermine Krillin's innitial reaction to Gohan. Not only that, Piccolo himself did not know about Gohan until the day Raditz came to Earth. The Daizenshuu, if it says anything whatsoever on this subject, is completely incorrect.ExyleCage (talk) 14:19, July 12, 2018 (UTC)

  • The problem is, even if we ignore the Daizenshuu on this, the movie is still considered canon due to the fact that the Garlic Jr. Saga practically made its events canon (and thanks to the Maron reference in Super, we also know that the Garlic Jr. Saga, and by extension, Dead Zone is canon in at least the Super anime). It's not like the manga was clean of inconsistencies, either (need I remind you of how Cell regenerated his entire obliterated top half from the warp Kamehameha, yet then claimed that he was able to survive his self-destruction due to his head surviving the explosion?). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:48, July 12, 2018 (UTC)

This ain't about canon or continuity, which don't officially exist. Most things in DB don't fit with other things (like Super and GT), Dead Zone is part of the main timeline because of the Garlic Jr. Saga.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:12, July 12, 2018 (UTC)

  • That's... not how that works. The events from the movie are completely different from the events of the saga. It makes no sense to consider the movie part of the main timeline when the events are essentially a complete rewrite.ExyleCage (talk) 21:42, July 12, 2018 (UTC)
    • Ah, complete rewrite? Did you even SEE the Garlic Jr. Saga in the first place? They explicitly mentioned Garlic Jr.'s encapsulation into the Dead Zone at the end of Dead Zone (and in fact, it even explains WHY he left the Dead Zone in that saga), his wishing for immortality from the same film, and even the fact that his motives involved avenging his dad after Kami not only beat him out of becoming the new Guardian of the Earth, but also killed him to protect the Earth after his father acted like a sore loser. That's not a complete rewrite, that's an outright sequel as Neffyarious himself said below. You want a complete rewrite? Try how Battle of Gods the movie and the Beerus Saga were expanded and made different yet at the same time going through the broad strokes. Same goes for Resurrection 'F'/Golden Frieza Saga. Or, better yet, the Triple Threat trilogy and the upcoming Broly movie. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 22:22, July 12, 2018 (UTC)
    • Woah, my dude. No need to be so rude. It's been a minute since I've seen the saga, yeah, but that doesn't mean you gotta dick on me for it. Calm down a bit. ExyleCage (talk) 11:55, July 13, 2018 (UTC)
      • Fine, I was probably out of line with how I said the above, but even still, the Garlic Jr. Saga didn't rewrite Dead Zone, it was literally its sequel. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:13, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

The Garlic Jr. Saga is a sequel to Dead Zone though? Not a rewrite. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:51, July 12, 2018 (UTC)

Movie Canon

Hi, you must be Neff. Please to meet you. Well, in Xenoverse 2, Goku from main timeline does seem recognize Broly from the parallel universe. Zekons (talk) 04:43, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

  • Yo, Video Games are below Toriyama/Guidebooks in our canon hierarchy.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:54, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

Broly "Legendary" Super Saiyan Form

You're jumping the gun on calling the new form "Legendary Super Saiyan". Just because it's Broly doesn't mean it's the same transformation. That's just speculation, my dude. It could very well be Super Saiyan Berserk or an entirely new transformation that looks similar. It should be renamed "Legendary Super Saiyan-Like Transformation" to keep the speculation to an absolute minimum. ExyleCage (talk) 11:53, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

  • Technically, it's also speculation to claim that Kale had the Legendary Super Saiyan form, yet guess what, she's listed as having it. If we can list it with her, we certainly can do so with Super Broly. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:14, July 13, 2018 (UTC)
  • Kale's listed as having it? That's honestly stupid. Imma need to take that to the talk page. ExyleCage (talk) 12:21, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

There was already a long discussion about Kale, her form is LSS, so is Broly's.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:38, July 13, 2018 (UTC)

How f**king dare you rename broly's page name to "parallel broly". change it f**king back —This unsigned comment was made by Hatchyjack (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

First, no cursing cause its not helping. Two, the DB Super movie has Broly in it but he's officially part of the series now. The triple threat version is from another dimension, so he had to be renamed Parallel Broly. DragonEmeperor (talk) 23:52, July 14, 2018 (UTC)

What is the point of all of these alternate dimension pages of characters beside the xeno counterpart ones. Do ya'll like confusing people or what? This was your idea wasnt it? -Nikon23 7/15/2017

Protect him

Hey Neff, could you protect the Broly page for only admin to edit until things are figured out. DragonEmeperor (talk) 18:06, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

  • Yeah sure.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:33, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

DragonEmperor is at it again.

He's starting an edit war with the upcoming SDBH episode stating that Vegito Blue Kaio-ken won't appear despite it being in the title. Can someone straighten him out?Rogeta234 (talk) 18:42, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

I never said that, I said let's wait for the next episode release for more info. Get your facts straight. DragonEmeperor (talk) 18:45, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

When the stuff is in the title, there's really no need for more info.Rogeta234 (talk) 18:50, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

Golden Form

It is not really a speculation that the Golden Form is a special state as opposed to a transformation. Despite mastering his Golden Form, Frieza still dropped out of it when hurt enough but still remained in his Fourth Form. Likewise, in the manga, Cooler dropped out of Golden Form but not his Fifth Form.--Steveo920 (talk) 19:04, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

It's officially called a transformation. Goku dropped out of Super Saiyan God into Super Saiyan once, does not make Super Saiyan God "a special state instead of a transformation". Referring to a Fourth Transformation Golden form is also speculation at the moment, Cooler could simply have decided to make his Golden form look like his final form. --Neffyarious (talk) 19:08, July 16, 2018 (UTC)

I agree, Frieza did say he made it gold on purpose to show his place on the pecking order, so he chose to make it gold, Cooler made his gold to copy Frieza, and probably kept it to look like his 5th form because that form was his way of showing he is better than Frieza, and stronger, so using the same look while taking Frieza's gold idea is the same principle.LeonGjata (talk) 16:59, October 1, 2018 (UTC)

The Parent Tab 2

This is my proposal right here for pages too big only. I managed to fix right and got the signature colors in. This is what every fandom site uses and we shouldn't be the only ones. I want everybody to think this over first before shooting me down. DragonEmeperor (talk) 00:06, July 17, 2018 (UTC)

Old Paragus

Oh Neffyarious, because the Paragus in Dragon Ball Super: Broly has gray hair, he has aged he got very old, I thought the Saiyans never got old man. BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 17:45, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

  • They begin aging rapidly once they get to around 80 years old. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:46, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 18:44, July 18, 2018 (UTC)). hey can you please add king colds height to his wiki page

  • I don't know it. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:50, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 20:07, July 18, 2018 (UTC)). Can you temporally restrore Parallel Gokus wiki psge where I can move his information to the heroes wiki page website

  • I cannot, but here is the page's contents, dunno if a non-admin can see it.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:51, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 21:09, July 18, 2018 (UTC)). No i cant since im a non admin

Ah well. Sorry. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:10, July 18, 2018 (UTC)

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 07:18, July 19, 2018 (UTC)).quick question can Future Frieza be listed as a user of Death Beam Barrage Death Beam Death Bullet Crazy Finger Beam Shockwave from the Fingertips HAIL Frieza Death Fork Punishing Blaster Red Energy Blast Death Cannon Killer Ball Death Laser Invisible Eye Blast Death Comet Whirlwind Blow Death Storm Imprisonment Ball Psychic Move Psychic Rock Throw Gigantic Rock Throw Death Wave Death Psycho Bomb Nova Strike Death Saucer Last Emperor Fingertip Ball Powering Rage Tail Attack Mystic Attack Ruthless Blow Death Raid Death Break Punishing Rush It's Just Getting Exciting! You Thought That Was It? Punishing Counter 50% Power Sonic Warp Death Ball Destroy The Planet! 100% Death Ball Long awaited-for 100% since Future Frieza lived the same life as Present  counterpart he would have all the same techniques that present frezia used on namek

  • We don't list them because it would be redundant to list every Future characters unshown techniques that are the same as their present counterparts. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:50, July 19, 2018 (UTC)

Please block this guy That clown joined and began to mess with pages...(Kaleifla 02:55, July 24, 2018 (UTC))

I blocked him. — Final ChidoriTalk 04:31, July 24, 2018 (UTC)

Vegeta refernce mistakes

Can you correct several references, because there are mistakes among References ? --Mgdodl (talk) 23:06, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

  • Which ones? --Neffyarious (talk) 09:25, August 11, 2018 (UTC)


It LITERALLY says that only Goku with his tail can transform into Super Saiyan 4. That is what it means. Vegeta did not have his tail which is why he had to use super amplified blutz waves to even enter the form, and we don't have any proof as to him not being able to enter it after that either. You are literally making up the "only goku can go Super Saiyan 4" nonsense. QuakingStar (talk) 19:05, August 1, 2018 (UTC)

  • I'm not and I explained why, you are misinterpreting the guide. You know that guidebook came out before Vegeta even went SS4. It's not "only Goku can use SS4" its "only a special case can go SS4". The Xeno Goku and Vegeta can both go SS4 at will. --Neffyarious (talk) 19:08, August 1, 2018 (UTC)

Then it is not a special case at all considering that all SS4 users even without tails have entered the form of their own will. The line should be removed from the article. Vegeta and Goku were both too low on energy to turn back into SS4, and Vegeta and Bulma both mentioned Goku having a tail as part of him becoming SS4 so it makes it clear that in that episode at least, Only Goku could transform back because he has a tail and Vegeta doesn't. In the end, I think it would be better to remove the whole special case sentence. QuakingStar (talk) 19:40, August 1, 2018 (UTC)

No, the "special case" info is from the GT anime, it would make no sense to remove proper information. GT is Level 2 on our canon tier, GT states that only a special case like Goku can take on SS4 without Blutz Waves. The Xeno Goku Vegeta go SS4 without a tail use the form at will could be because they are also "special cases". Vegeta and Bulma say that because it is the reason why Goku became a SS4 in the first place, they never say tail = being able to go SS4 at will. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:02, August 2, 2018 (UTC)

(Molly Baker (talk) 03:03, August 2, 2018 (UTC)).

Can i have acces to the delted pages of List of techniques used by Piccolo List of techniques used by  Future Trunks List of techniques used by  Vegito List of techniques used by  Gogeta i need tge i firnstion where i can move there information to heroes wiki—This unsigned comment was made by Molly Baker (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

The information is on those character's pages. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:02, August 2, 2018 (UTC)

(Molly Baker (talk) 17:15, August 2, 2018 (UTC)). Yeah but but it dosent include Piccolos Physical Abilities Energy Abilities and Mental Abilities and Natural Abilities

I cannot provide you with a link to the deleted page's info as only admins can see it. I'm not going to restore the pages either. Sorry. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:22, August 2, 2018 (UTC)

(Molly Baker (talk) 21:36, August 2, 2018 (UTC)).yeah it takes.a long time to become adimn i know i know already im not good enough to be an admin

Bardock in Broly

Is Bardock appearing the movie cause he's listed on Wikipedia but I can't find a source for it. DragonEmeperor (talk) 18:15, August 3, 2018 (UTC)

  • No official confirmation he will be in the movie yet, he almost certainly will be though. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:52, August 3, 2018 (UTC)

Major edits

I make an addition to the templates of each saga, just indicating the number of chapters next to the chapters covered in each saga, and then they get removed by other users. It's as if they have a problem with counting. I personally think it improves the page, and I don't see why you shouldn't improve the page. If it's not needed, that's fine. I'm starting to wonder whether or not it's a good idea to make major edits, because doing so could potentially start arguments, and I don't want that. RedRock3300 (talk) 12:07, August 4, 2018 (UTC)

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 23:20, August 4, 2018 (UTC)). What are the requirements to becoming an admin on dragonball wiki

  • An admin can suggest an admin candidate to the other members of the admin body and the bureaucrats will decide if the candidates are deserving of the position. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:29, August 5, 2018 (UTC)

Turles is not Goku's brother.

Akira Toriyama and Toei NEVER confirmed this.—This unsigned comment was made by DrWhofan7 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 15:01, August 6, 2018 (UTC)). Are there any admin positions open

Not really, we just had promotions not long ago. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:08, August 6, 2018 (UTC)

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 16:20, August 6, 2018 (UTC)). Nevermind then

Why do you and Dragon Emperor continue to insist on continuing this Turles/Goku stuff? Especially when you go as far as including the tidbit of conflicting sources. Every source, both before and after the 1991 V-Jump issue, states that Goku and Turles aren't brothers. This image from 1992 should put it to bed if we're using time as the sole argument:

Stop allowing overly complicate dmisinformation to pervade. It's fine as a trivia tidbit in Turles' page, but listing him as part of the Son Family tree is straight up wrong.Jjgp1112 (talk) 01:09, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

The info is official, does not matter if separate sources that came after or before give different info, we include it all on the wiki. (Information does not get removed if a later source disputes it). --Neffyarious (talk) 09:35, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

But why is this one beiong put above everything and nnot just confined to a trivia tidbit when it's contradicted by every single source, AND the Japanese version of the movie itself? Especially when the articles MENTION that the source you're using is contradicted everywhere. Can't you see how confusing it is when you list Turles as a sibling like it's concrete information, while also saying "Okay it's probably not actually true?" Pick one or the other, dablling in both just muddies thing for no reason; and it's clear what the proper choice isJjgp1112 (talk) 13:55, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

Its being placed in the appropriate location for the information (the family sections). It is concrete info and is 100% true - because it's official info and there is no canon. Turles not being Goku's brother is also concrete info and 100% true - because it's official info and there is no canon. We can't pick one or the other, that's not how this wiki works, there is no official word on what if true and what is false. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:15, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

I am mind blown here

Looks like they made a card for Toyotaro's Super Saiyan 5 GT Goku FlatZone (talk) 14:02, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

It's a fanmade card. ~ Yon ~Great King Cold SDBH World Mission artworkVisit my talk page! 15:17, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

Yah it's fanmade, DBH fan cards are quite popular in Japan. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:16, August 8, 2018 (UTC)

So you're just going to present in two entirely conflicting sources as concrete information just for the sake of it? Do you realize how needlessly confusing that is? You have to make a choice. Especially because you guys are obtusely prioritizing the one source that is contradicted by every other source. There is no logic behind what you guys are doing other than "Well we have to include everything." Well, categorize the shit then.Jjgp1112 (talk) 01:21, August 9, 2018 (UTC)

No we won't make a choice, we don't decide the canon, we don't remove official info. Official info goes in it's appropriate place, Turles being a family member goes in the family section cuz thats where its supposed to go, Turles not being a family member does not go in the family section of the infobox because it does not belong there. Both pieces of info are put under Turles' history because both pieces of info are appropriate to that section. --Neffyarious (talk) 12:13, August 9, 2018 (UTC)


Can you block him? He keeps changing SSJ4 Full Power's name. DragonEmeperor (talk) 07:39, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

  • He's been given a warning, which will suffice for now. --Neffyarious (talk) 14:17, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

Will there ever be a time to create a wikia fully focused on Fighterz like there is for Dokkan Battle? A lot of mechanics are not explained well in game and newer players would benifit from being able to read the specifics entered by veteran players. ~DeletedTheEngie

Anyone can make a FighterZ wiki, the Dokkan Battle wiki is not run by the same people as the ones who run DB wiki. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:38, August 10, 2018 (UTC)

Frieza's Page

I don't understand why my edits are being reverted over and over. I've replaced 3 Frieza's images that are clearly higher resolution than the current ones and a user, DragonEmperor, keeps undoing my edits.

beadtmdc (talk) 16:10, August 11, 2018 (UTC)

I told you there are a lot of duplicates up here under different names. Plus, the colors look deem on two of them. DragonEmeperor (talk) 16:39, August 11, 2018 (UTC)

Use Talk:Frieza to discuss which versions of the images would be more appropriate. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:58, August 11, 2018 (UTC)

DragonEmperor is at it again.

He's being such a baby by constantly edit warring with me. I'd like it if you discuss it with him since he doesn't even respond to me. You need to talk some sense into him or ban him.Rogeta234 (talk) 02:24, August 23, 2018 (UTC)

You know well Yamoshi battled evil Saiyans as a Super Saiyan, its even in his background. DragonEmeperor (talk) 02:38, August 23, 2018 (UTC)

It was never established that he battled evil Saiyans as a SSJ. We only know that he fought them as a SSJG.Rogeta234 (talk) 02:57, August 23, 2018 (UTC)

Read his background it states "He is cornered and becomes a Super Saiyan, but is still defeated as he runs out of energy. However, his spirit continued to search for a new savior: Super Saiyan God." It's even referenced by Toriyama's Saiyan interview. Read both parts of it. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:26, August 23, 2018 (UTC)

I guess it's because Dende became guardian of the earth (oddly enough he hadn't yet when it first aired), although the absence of Future Trunks is another reason enough to have it before Super Android 13. But what the heck, I should point then that this order is not in the Vegeta and Gohan pages.—This unsigned comment was made by Zorianff9 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

User Orion Invictus

Hello. I'd like to report the user Orion Invictus. I edited the Trivia section under the character Hit where it stated Hit was the fifth character to kill Goku when that should say fourth. It also stated that Frieza had killed Goku when Frieza has never killed Goku. I had fixed the Trivia section to where it did say Hit was the fourth person to kill Goku and removed Frieza on that list. The user Orion Invictus  insists that I am wrong and that Frieza did kill Goku but it was in Xenoverse 2 when you can't count the game as part of the main franchise. Xenoverse 2 is it's own separate thing.

LokeTheBrave (talk) 19:14, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

As you will read in the trivia, Neffyarious, it doesn't say "main franchise", it just says "franchise". The Dragon Ball video games are part of the Dragon Ball franchise.

Orion (T-B-C) 19:16, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

The Dragon Ball Games do NOT count. They are separate. You do not count kills in games.

LokeTheBrave (talk) 19:20, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

I'm just gonna leave this here: Dragon Ball (franchise).

Happy reading.

Orion (T-B-C) 19:26, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

And I'm going to leave the better editing I just added to the trivia to make it a comprise and fair. If you don't like it then tough. Leave it.

LokeTheBrave (talk) 19:29, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

Since the trivia refers to the whole franchise, the games count. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:45, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

Neff, LokeTheBrave still won't stop the edit war. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:13, September 11, 2018 (UTC)

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 00:02, September 12, 2018 (UTC)). Why is Turles labled as Gokus brother and Raditzs brother and Chi-Chi as his sister in law and Gohan and Goten as his nephews and Goku Jr. As his great grand nephew and Pan as his grand nice why is that information on his infobox on his wiki page who put that information on his wiki page

  • There's a source that refers to him as such. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:41, September 12, 2018 (UTC)

Gogeta in Super

I found this source on our Spanish counterpart, saying Gogeta will be in the movie but I'm still not sure. If he is though, do we make a separate page for him as well or just leave it as is. DragonEmeperor (talk) 20:04, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Are you even sure that it's talking about Gogeta? Because I translated it and it doesn't seem to be the case.Rogeta234 (talk) 20:05, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

Ain't a confirmation yet. Though the likelihood of Gogeta showing up is quite likely. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:10, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

I suppose it could be Ultra Instinct Mastered Goku, but it's still too soon. Guess we'll find out once it comes out or more details show up.Rogeta234 (talk) 20:49, September 13, 2018 (UTC)

TBH, I don't know if tweets from Twitter should be reliable sources as the accounts that these sources come from could end up being deleted and therefore the source will be gone forever. 0551E80Y (talk) 05:24, September 14, 2018 (UTC)

Who Eliminated Toppo and Dyspo in the Manga

I was just wondering how do you know Jiren had no part in Toppo's and Dyspo's elimination in the manga could you tell what he was saying in that panel because I really wanted to know. It looked as if he moved his head and then the rock split in half. I'm not sure if that should be count as Frieza's elimination or just as themselves if Jiren had no part in it. Tiger2025 (talk) 22:37, September 20, 2018 (UTC)

Cell techniques

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 05:50, September 22, 2018 (UTC)). Now that list of techniques used by cell have been deleted i cant gain acess to it since im a non adimn

  • If you want content from a page that is going to be deleted, it's best you get it yourself prior to it's deletion. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:55, September 22, 2018 (UTC)

English dub title image

Yo, I have all official screenshots of titles from the Funimation Dragon Ball Super English dub (1 - 80), good quality, 1080p and without logos from Adult Swim or any streaming site. Can I remplace the old ones with these? Erstcooked (talk) 21:59, September 24, 2018 (UTC)

Go to the file history for each picture and upload the new versions. I wanna keep using the file names because their easier to search for. DragonEmeperor (talk) 23:03, September 24, 2018 (UTC)

GT and Xeno

A thing that is being mentioned at the moment is that Goku: Xeno is from after a point in GT because he mentions having previously fought the Shadow Dragons. You seem to know more about this Heroes stuff so would this be true? If it is true and Goku: Xeno is just GT Goku then would we have to consider removing the GT content from Goku's page and putting it on Goku: Xeno's page?

Probably not likely to happen as it would need to happen to other characters as well and it'd be a huge change but is it a possibility?Bullza (talk) 00:11, September 28, 2018 (UTC)

  • Goku: Xeno is definitely Goku from after GT. However, I doubt we'll move the GT info from Goku's page to Goku: Xeno's. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:03, September 28, 2018 (UTC)
Well I know there's people who have issues with the GT information appearing on these pages in the first place because it's contradictory now anyway (and non canon) and if these things that are being included didn't actually happen to these characters but the Xeno characters then maybe it's better suited there. I don't expect there will be a change but I will bring it up on the MoS and see what other people think.Bullza (talk) 20:03, September 28, 2018 (UTC)
  • Ok. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:11, September 28, 2018 (UTC)

Cunber's talk

Can you fix Cunber's talk page since his page was moved. DragonEmeperor (talk) 16:26, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Done. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:19, September 29, 2018 (UTC)

Renaming Ill

He was named Iru in the Funimation dub, but I can't move him to this name due to the Frieza Force soldier with the same name. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:30, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

Hey Neff, I still help renaming Ill to Iru. DragonEmeperor (talk) 18:12, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

About Cunber

PeterWillow123 has contacted me and seems to be confused as to why we title it Cunber when it is actually Cumber. I don't know whether it's Cunber or Cumber but he did provide a decently well known DB translators tweet saying it's Cumber. While I don't see any legit reference proving it's Cunber. Was wondering if you had more knowledge on the subject and could provide him or me with the reason why it's Cunber or if maybe he's right that it's Cumber. Appreciate it. If anyone else has any info on this subject please message my talk page. Jon the Don -JBour53 (Talk to my consigliere) 03:52, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

Sorry for the lack of links for ease btw. I'm currently on mobile and it's a bit of a pain. Jon the Don -JBour53 (Talk to my consigliere) 03:54, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

The source for his name uses an "n" instead of an "m" in its url. Its abbreviated as cnb in the url.DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:58, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

Yes I looked at that. Doesn't look like good proof. But I'm going to do more research on this. Jon the Don -JBour53 (Talk to my consigliere) 04:10, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

While Cumber is more accurate, Cunber is more official (as that url is of an official site), so Cunber is used. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:19, September 30, 2018 (UTC)

(Molly Baker (talk) 06:34, October 3, 2018 (UTC)).Toppo ok where is the silly nonsense coming off as toppos name or as someone put on the wiki page his anime nane being top thats silly unproven and not true i watched every episode of dragonball super with Toppo not once did any one call him no one called him top no character called him

Its his english dub name, they call him that in the dub episodes. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:03, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

(Molly Baker (talk) 17:15, October 3, 2018 (UTC)). Yeah but isnt dragonball super mostly Japanese

We use dub names above all else. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:23, October 3, 2018 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Heroes Avatars

Hi, i'm new in this wiki and i need you help for the page of Dragon Ball Heroes, in the avatars section i added a link to te official site where you can see all the avatars and transformation

but a user deleted it and told me that i cannot put an external link in the middle of the page.

Where i can put it? Is very useful in the avatars section why cant we put it there?

Thanks Carloalberto95 (talk) 16:46, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

Near the bottom, theres an external link section. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:22, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

Broly: BR?

Oh, Neffyarious, because the name of the New Broly called Broly: BR in Super Dragon Ball Heroes, what does it meaning "BR"? BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 18:46, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

  • Don't know. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:58, October 4, 2018 (UTC)
It probably means "Broly Revised". DragonEmeperor (talk) 19:20, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

Figured I'd note here the BR is used for pretty much any card that's made for the movie. Including Goku, Vegeta, Bardock, and King Vegeta. Perhaps we should switch back to just calling him Broly (Super). Or make new pages for Bardock/King Vegeta. Gildeds (talk) 18:22, October 17, 2018 (UTC)

It's the only official name differentiator we have for the two Brolys, so thats what we'll use. And we won't split other pages just because of it, kinda like how we dont split Trunks: Xeno from Future Trunks even though every other Xeno is a separate character. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:43, October 17, 2018 (UTC)


DragonEmeperor keeps undoing my edit on Borgos' page about a image i added from the second trailer from Dragon Ball Super: Broly without any explanation why. he is in the picture kneeling with the Saiyans. left a message on his talk page and didn't respond.
Nikon23 21:52, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

I left the picture on his page and listed under film appearances. Look before you undo a edit. DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:21, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

how about you stop undoing people's edits like you're the only one that can make edits. Nikon23 23:01, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

When undoing another edit, you explicity get a notification that says "If you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary rather than using only the default message." 0551E80Y (talk) 23:59, October 4, 2018 (UTC)

I edited Kale, C-Type, and Legendary Super Saiyan based on information we got from an interview regarding how Broly's transformation works. Yet my edits have also been undone by him without any discussion or reason why. I don't mind if there are disagreements that might ultimately lead to reverting my edits, but I'd at least like to discuss it/get an argument why not. Gildeds (talk) 01:35, October 5, 2018 (UTC)

For the case of Borgos, putting it in the main bio will do. For C-type, I think it's fine to move the skinny-LSS info there as Broly's forms are labeled (Super Saiyan) and (Super Saiyan Full Power) - with Kale's forms being the same; her buff SS being a full power version of her skinny SS. --Neffyarious (talk) 15:55, October 5, 2018 (UTC)

What's up? How are you doing today?—This unsigned comment was made by 12285893seth (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • Fine thanks. --Neffyarious (talk) 09:57, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

Should we start separating Dragon Ball Super in character biographies by Anime/Manga

At this point it feels kind of strange to keep saying "In the anime this happened" and "In the manga that happened". They've both diverged so much at this point that it feels like the wiki should probably do a better job separating the two. Instead of having a section called "Dragon Ball Super" in the biographies, it feels like they should be separated into "Dragon Ball Super (Anime)" and "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)". It'd make it a lot more clear what happens where. Some places just feel like a jumble sometimes. With how different some characters behave and how different their events play out I almost feel like manga versions of DBS characters should have their own pages. Jiren and Kale in particular feel like the most egregious examples. Gildeds (talk) 22:10, October 20, 2018 (UTC)

  • It was decided a while ago that they would go in one section instead of separating them. I agree that they should be separated, but it's not up to me alone. Bring it up on the MoS talk. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:48, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
  • Will do. Gildeds (talk) 12:51, October 21, 2018 (UTC)

Burning Ultimate Warrior reference error

Can you fix the reference on this page ? --Mgdodl (talk) 15:56, October 21, 2018 (UTC)


He won't stop the edit war he has with me on Beets page. DragonEmeperor (talk) 16:54, October 26, 2018 (UTC)

He's still doing it. DragonEmeperor (talk) 19:59, October 26, 2018 (UTC)

(Molly Baker (talk) 08:12, October 28, 2018 (UTC)) do you know what episode mr Satan had a flashback about encountering Mercenary Tao

  • Was never in an episode, was said in an interview. --Neffyarious (talk) 13:15, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

Prison Planet Awakening

At what point does the Gathering part of the Prison Planet Saga end and the Awakening part begin? I need to know from how I put things where.Bullza (talk) 20:05, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

  • From what I know, this latest part with Super Saiyan 3 Cunber is the start of the Awakening part. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:35, October 28, 2018 (UTC)
So should we say the start of the Awakening saga is once Goku: Xeno and Vegeta: Xeno return then?Bullza (talk) 20:38, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

That should work out fine. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:43, October 28, 2018 (UTC)

I believe its time

This is what I'm about here. These two users, IGPLL and Jaclynsama, just show up outta no where and vandalized pages. Neff, I really do believe its time I get promoted so I can deal with these kind of users and clean up the messes I make so I don't gotta keep annoying the other admins. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:56, October 29, 2018 (UTC)

Don't worry, I got them already. I get email notifications when you leave a message so as long as I'm up I can get to it right away. I blocked them both.Bullza (talk) 04:00, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
I know, but I wanna clean up the messes I make like the redirects I choose delete and the used photos that are never used anymore. DragonEmeperor (talk) 04:03, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
@DragonEmeperor, do you think being that you promoted is a good idea? You were kind of making people mad during August when you were reverting people's edits without giving them a reasonable explanation. SuperJuggie (talk) 05:04, October 29, 2018 (UTC)
If your worried that I might start blocking people don't, I'll leave that to Neff, Bullza, and 0551E80Y. My focus is on cleaning up the images and redirects. Plus, I was fixing the mistakes people mad in August. DragonEmeperor (talk) 05:59, October 29, 2018 (UTC)

Eh I'm not 100% sure. I'm not against another admin, you definitely have the proper drive and it would be handy to have someone remove all those redirects and unused images, but then you were just edit warring with Bargeta not long ago. You should get more input from the other admins and bureaucrats if you are serious about this, then one of them can start a nomination thread if they wish to. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:56, October 29, 2018 (UTC)

Ask 10X if you think you are ready to be an admin. And don't forget to show him, your contributions and your talk page to see the result of what your experience has brought to this site from your contributions.

My stance on you being promoted has not changed since our talk in May. For one since then, you have ignored what I recommended you do so you would avoid making yourself a controversial figure in the community as well as the notification you get when you undo another user's edits, like I said before, that says to explain in the edit summary of why their edits are reversed if it's not obvious vandalism.

I seriously can't help but feel that potential new users can be scared away from editing on a community based wiki that is based around a franchise that they love enough that they feel they can contribute. If when they run into conflict with another user because of something they do it ends up with them leaving the wiki with a sour imprint on their view about the community as a whole. This seriously can happen to users who end up having their work removed and not explained why. It can damage their will and their confidence to return.

A user who is seeking to be promoted should think about these things before deciding to act and believe they are ready to take on these responsibilities. --0551E80Y (talk) 12:34, October 29, 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I mentioned that before. When you have new users come here and make their first edits and then it's removed without any explanation then that's going to be off putting and they just won't bother anymore. It alienates them. I had that same problem when I was new with Goku20 but I just happened to be stubborn and kept at it but I can see why other people wouldn't. Especially to newer users these things need to be explained properly.Bullza (talk)

Which is why a user shouldn't have admn privilages until they fully understand that before hand. 0551E80Y (talk) 03:35, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

0551E80Y, I know your really worried that I might get drunk with power and get out of hand. Like how I told SupperJuggie, users who only want to vandalize I will leave to you and the other admins since their gonna assume I'm just blocking them to take control. There are other things on here that need focus and that's why I need the privileges for them. If your truly worried, then just watch over my me then if I get those privileges then. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:43, October 30, 2018 (UTC)
You will never convince me with your words, only when your actions have improved. And from what I've seen, you have the attitude of a politician who makes all these "promises" to do things if they win an election, during their rallies to win voters over.

But when they win there is literally nothing to keep them in check and to uphold their word, when they get access to the power that they were given and their promises can easily be tossed away at a whim with no one stop them.

The difference between you and me is that I never asked for admin privileges. I never said any thing on what I would do if i was given them. All i did was contribute to the community; I discussed with other users, I noted users of what they did that break rules when they committed some actions and I went on my way. I never intended to get these admin privileges nor did i ever thought i would have a chance or being promoted. I really, really wish you would understand this better Dragon. But since you asked If you do end up getting those privilages, I will keep an eye on you from time to time. 0551E80Y (talk) 06:08, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

All right then. I truly hope we can work together and agree on things when that day comes. DragonEmeperor (talk) 07:35, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I'd support a hypothetical promotion for DragonEmeperor.

Orion (T-B-C) 07:47, October 30, 2018 (UTC)

Transport Ship

Who uses the transport ship in Broly? DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:34, November 1, 2018 (UTC)

  • Unknown. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:48, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

Baby Saga

Why is candidate for deletion written on the Baby Saga page, but you can't remove the category in the editor ? --Mgdodl (talk) 13:42, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

  • It's actually this page that is up for deletion, however it shows up on Baby Saga because that page is present on it. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:50, November 2, 2018 (UTC)

(Molly Baker (talk) 12:17, November 5, 2018 (UTC)). Do you what episode where Master Shen has a flashback of him and Mercenary Tao fighting over a bowl of rice

  • Don't know. --Neffyarious (talk) 12:30, November 5, 2018 (UTC)

(Molly Baker (talk) 17:14, November 5, 2018 (UTC)). When did Dyspos name get changed to Dispo there hasnt been any english dubed episodes with dypso in it

  • There has been one. --Neffyarious (talk) 22:31, November 5, 2018 (UTC)

Zamasu and dead Gowasu.jpg

Can you delete this picture ? --Mgdodl (talk) 22:24, November 11, 2018 (UTC)

  • Done. --Neffyarious (talk) 22:25, November 11, 2018 (UTC)

Thanks --Mgdodl (talk) 00:09, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Can you deletes these pictures too ? Fu.png the newer version and Goku bites Baby Vegeta.png the older version, Future Trunks Unknown Timeline (Timeline 5).png, Fu Anime.jpg, 2018-08-11 (2).png --Mgdodl (talk) 00:09, November 12, 2018 (UTC)

Done. If linking me images in the future, it would be handy if you could link them instead of typing them out. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:19, November 13, 2018 (UTC)

File:Future Trunks Unknown Timeline (Timeline 5).png
File:2018-08-11 (2).png

Why are there three pictures left, I thought you deleted all pictures ? --Mgdodl (talk) 01:27, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

I deleted a different Fu image, couldn't find the Trunks one and didn't notice the 2018-08-11 one. --Neffyarious (talk) 15:42, November 15, 2018 (UTC)

Help me get through these guys' skulls.

FlatZero and NervousShipper really don't think that this is real, despite the fact it actually was in the Manga and YouTube videos that have proved it. 


I need your help on getting through to them.Rogeta234 (talk) 04:25, November 23, 2018 (UTC)

That image is unofficial, it was put together by a user on Kanzenshuu as their own opinion on SSGSS forms. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:56, November 23, 2018 (UTC) Herms himself even confirms it is fake.. he is from Kanzenshuu :) FlatZone (talk) 19:01, November 23, 2018 (UTC)


Do you think that "Demon Person Boo (Evil)" is an accurate literal translation from Majin Bū (Aku) (じんブウ (あく))? Wc12271991 (talk) 21:04, November 23, 2018 (UTC)

  • Yeah. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:05, November 23, 2018 (UTC)
I wonder if it's from Kanzenshuu? Wc12271991 (talk) 21:11, November 23, 2018 (UTC)

GT is canon?

Oh Neffyarious, Dragon Ball GT is the story by Akira Toriyama or no. BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 20:56, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

Its not. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:00, November 24, 2018 (UTC)


Hey Neff, when are you creating the Fusions NPC page? DragonEmeperor (talk) 20:32, November 24, 2018 (UTC)

  • Might as well create it now I guess. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:33, November 24, 2018 (UTC)
  • Done, it's barebones at the moment though. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:39, November 24, 2018 (UTC)


Oh Neffyarious, will have blood in the movie Dragon Ball Super: Broly soon. BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 17:28, November 29, 2018 (UTC)


Can you block him cause he's causing this edit war and respond to messages. DragonEmeperor (talk) 20:02, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

If this is not enough for you, I will make sure this time you will not get away with it. Please be a useful mod and this time do something about it. Bargeta (talk) 20:34, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

I already warned the user; if he does this again, I will block him. We gave him way too many passes. ~ Yon ~Great King Cold SDBH World Mission artworkVisit my talk page! 20:38, November 29, 2018 (UTC)


No, a name calling like that does not take just a "warning". I've been blocked for much less than that. He has to be blocked now. Bargeta (talk) 20:40, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

I don't always start. I tried to help some people but it blows up and Bargeta pushed me over the edge. DragonEmeperor (talk) 20:41, November 29, 2018 (UTC)

I see that this has been sorted. Dragon, I would have given you a temporary block for this, but I'll respect the other admins' decision to let you off with a final warning. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:06, November 30, 2018 (UTC)


I thought I'd bring this to your attention because you'd brought it up in the summer and essentially I and I take it 10x Kamehameha also seem to agree. Maybe we can decide on what to do next and how to rework it.

Bullza (talk) 09:09, December 3, 2018 (UTC)

The info of potrara vs fusion dance

Seems Fusion dance is stronger, it only lasts half as long though as we know. They mention that info of lasting forever for Potara as being retconned info here too. I think it should be brought up in each respective page that Gogeta is stronger than Vegito and Fusion Dance is stronger than Potara in actuality. FlatZone (talk) 21:16, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

  • Its on Vegito and Gogeta's pages. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:27, December 4, 2018 (UTC)

(Misaki Ayuzawa 23 (talk) 06:43, December 8, 2018 (UTC)). Hey i would oike permisson to edit the power section on Dodorias wiki pahe someone put he coukd take on 10 Namekian but in the english dub episode of The Hunted Dodoria said he could take on 12 of them 12 Namekian he never the said the words 10 he said 12 i watched the episode

  • You don't need permission to edit pages, you can go ahead and do so whenever. --Neffyarious (talk) 12:52, December 8, 2018 (UTC)


I'm messing about with the infobox, have a look at Goku's, it's not finished but have you got any suggestions while it's being done?Bullza (talk) 18:11, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

  • Looks really good, nice job. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:32, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

God like Saiyan

Hey, I made a small edit to the usage and power on this page. I hope it makes sense.SSGDaniel3 (talk) 00:02, December 10, 2018 (UTC)


hey recently i was told could edit Dodorias wiki page and that i could edit his Power section because DragonEmeperor put that Dodoria could take on 10 Namekian howver the english dub of the episode The Hunted Dodoria said he could take on 12 0f them i did edit the power section on Dodorias wiki page but DragonEmeperor un did my edit i know you probably dont care but i thought i would just yell you anyway (Molly Baker (talk) 07:04, December 10, 2018 (UTC))

I was fixing the infobox and forgot to restore that part. DragonEmeperor (talk) 07:23, December 10, 2018 (UTC)

(Molly Baker (talk) 07:33, December 10, 2018 (UTC)). Ok

Broly and Paragus

I need help rearranging the info after merging their BR counterparts to the originals. DragonEmeperor (talk) 23:33, December 10, 2018 (UTC)

Never mind. 10X agreed to the community's decision to keep them separate. DragonEmeperor (talk) 01:57, December 14, 2018 (UTC)

I also left this message to DragonEmperor since he deleted this small information in Broly's page. I'm curious when would be a good time, or if you'll have the time yourselves to mention how Broly's (from DBS Super Movie) Green Pelt is actually a momento of a giant Monster he trained/fought and befriended back at Planet Vampa. I don't really know if I spelled it's named correctly (Baa).


Creature is called Bah, feel free to add that info to the page yourself. --Neffyarious (talk) 19:53, December 14, 2018 (UTC)

WhalBP (talk) 19:50, December 14, 2018 (UTC)

New Species in Broly

What's the name of those gigantic ticks on Planet Vampa? DragonEmeperor (talk) 22:17, December 14, 2018 (UTC)

  • Not sure, I haven't seen them named anywhere. --Neffyarious (talk) 22:18, December 14, 2018 (UTC)

The only things I can find are Herms' tweet on them which calls them "6-legged bug monsters", and their section at the bottom of this site, where they are described as "giant bug monsters". --Neffyarious (talk) 22:25, December 14, 2018 (UTC)

Can you please tell me why everytime I try to correct the plot of Dragon Ball Legends, it keeps reverting to that f the sloppy writing these volunteers made for the article like it was some storybook. Rodericky (talk) 02:24, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

  • If someone disputes your edit you need to bring it up on the talk page. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:02, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

Gogeta Talk Page

It came to my attention that I mat have come off as rude in the Gogeta talk page, and I wanted to apologize. I'm sorry.ExyleCage (talk) 17:33, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

Nah it's fine you didn't do anything out of line, no need to apologies. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:58, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

Hi there! I was curious: why am I blocked from posting on the Jiren vs Gogeta thread? I made no personal attacks or abusive chats or anything like that. I can't imagine that what I put broke any rules. Can you help me out here? Thank you for your time.

And if I did offend, I apologize, though not for the discussion itself. My statements are supported by the actual episode itself. Otherwise, I can't imagine anything would be rules-breaking there. Is one of the other posters a mod who wanted the final word? Super Saiyan Amari (talk) 21:20, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

I deal more with the editing side of this site and not the social side, so I'm not really sure what happened. JBour53 is a social admin so he'd probably be able to help, but if not then 10X Kamehameha will be able to. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:44, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

Hey, my other account is levlevlev. Anyway, I just edited the Broly: BR page. More specifically, the personality section. I just found out it looks really weird on mobile and I wanted to know if you could format it properly for me. Thank you.No, this is Patrickk (talk) 09:09, December 22, 2018 (UTC) No, this is Patrickk (talk) 09:09, December 22, 2018 (UTC) No this is Patrickk

Fixed. You needed to use the Quote template, that was the issue. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:41, December 22, 2018 (UTC)

Two users are attacking me in a thread

Because I won't agree with them, and because they don't like the fact I am using the sourced info from this wiki in the thread.

They did this same thing to FlatZone and now they are doing it to me, trying to get me to lose my cool and go off. Called me an insufferable prick and all.  Insults and condescending rude remarks thrown at me to boot QuakingStar (talk) 23:23, December 22, 2018 (UTC)

I'll try to help as well by asking one of the members on Discord.Rogeta234 (talk) 18:22, December 24, 2018 (UTC)

Chrome0X (talk) 00:42, December 24, 2018 (UTC)Hi I received a message from you, I haven’t cursed once so I’m not sure where this warning is from. Could you tell me when?

See the message above yours. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:01, December 24, 2018 (UTC)

Block Krison watts

User:Krison watts is editing wrongfully on Sadala. Block him.—This unsigned comment was made by CaptainCj (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Edit warring

The user DragonEmeperor is once again edit warring. This time on Bardock's page, adding too many images in the same section (same problem with Gogeta a while back). This is the second time I'm reporting him after you gave him the last warning. I think we have enough of this bullshit right? Bargeta (talk) 23:31, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

I moved the pic from Broly in his appearance section because the movie doesn't show his battle with the aliens like the manga does. DragonEmeperor (talk) 23:33, December 31, 2018 (UTC)

Question about Timeline 3

Did Timeline 3 exist before Timeline 5 did or vice versa? Wc12271991 (talk) 23:56, December 31, 2018 (UTC)


To clarify for future posts, “prick” is the offending word? I want to make sure I have all the rules since I can’t find a page that lists them.


If it's used to offend someone then it's obviously a reportable offense. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:03, January 7, 2019 (UTC)

Why did you delete my Kakarot: Xeno wiki page (fanon-page) it was my own dragon ball character why cannot that be in the wiki it was allowed in fandom's own wikia why does it have some kind of problem of being here

Fanon stuff goes here. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:54, January 10, 2019 (UTC)


Can you tell Cake Buu to unblock me? I want one more chance.—This unsigned comment was made by Super Saiyan 2 Note (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Your not blocked...? And we have no admin named Cake Buu. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:45, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

I'm talking about Dokfan Battle Wikia.—This unsigned comment was made by Super Saiyan 2 Note (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

That's a separate wiki which is not affiliated with this one. I have no influence there. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:56, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

Well I'll show you the user. How about it?—This unsigned comment was made by Super Saiyan 2 Note (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

But why? I can't do anything, I've never even edited the Dokkan Battle wiki. Also make sure and sign using the signature button. --Neffyarious (talk) 22:00, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

But if no one helps me.. I'll being comiting suicide!—This unsigned comment was made by Super Saiyan 2 Note (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

I notified them of this. You could honestly just have messaged them here tho...--Neffyarious (talk) 22:09, January 13, 2019 (UTC)

CakeBuu I’ll make you a deal if you unblock me I’ll stop editing other users—This unsigned comment was made by Super Saiyan 2 Note (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Sorry to bother you with this but I'm an admin on the dbz-dokkanbattle wikia. I have blocked Note a few months ago for harassing other users. He did this on the db-dokfanbattle wikia to that's why CakeBuu blocked him there to (I assume at least). It seems he started harrasing other users here now to get himself unblocked. Not sure why asking you or Bullza or others will change his case since he won't learn his lesson. This is just a heads up. Mazdafreak 23:15, January 13, 2019 (UTC)


Here's the fan page he made. DragonEmeperor (talk) 21:20, January 16, 2019 (UTC)

I put the Wrath State source in the talk page

Can your source it in the page itself for me? I don't remember how to do that. FlatZone (talk) 20:46, January 17, 2019 (UTC)

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