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Will you merge the page, Z Fighters into Dragon Ball Gang which has been renamed to "Dragon Team"?—This unsigned comment was made by Meshack (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • It seems fine to merge, but why don't you do it? If you don't want to I'll get round to it later.--Neffyarious (talk) 07:30, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
I don't know how lol Meshack (talk) 15:35, April 7, 2016 (UTC)
I see that you worked out how to do it, good job.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:54, April 8, 2016 (UTC)
thanks Meshack (talk) 03:27, April 8, 2016 (UTC)


Will you change the page Burp Man to "Burpman"? Meshack (talk) 05:52, April 9, 2016 (UTC)


Look at this Meshack (talk) 22:46, April 9, 2016 (UTC)


Nikon23 and YonedgeHp continuously just undid my edits for no good reason. My intentions of this edit was not to make it seem it is canon or non-canon but that's what they took it as Meshack (talk) 01:30, April 10, 2016 (UTC)


That's a real interesting history you have with the Dragon Ball series xD.

Just came to tell you to keep up the epic work, this place needs it's admins strong :D.  Tailsman67 Talk | Contribs | Edit Count )   08:56, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

  • Thank you.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:25, April 14, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z and Super

See the last edits of SSGKakarotto and me in Goku, Vegeta, etc. What did you think? Bobby stronda (talk) 16:46, April 20, 2016 (UTC)

He'll think that Max and I are right. Peaceful World Saga goes along with Dragon Ball Z, even though the epilouge happens after Super. SSGKakarotto (talk) 16:50, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
Not really fair to make someone's decision for them, wait until he actually responds. I do agree, though, Peaceful World should be in Z. -- Final ChidoriTalk 19:51, April 20, 2016 (UTC)
It should probably stay in Z since it's part of that series. Not too sure though, so this may require further discussion.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:22, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Jaco Characters

I think the police force from Jaco need their own respective pages. They're al listed in List of tertiary characters though SSGKakarotto (talk) 16:17, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

  • Sure, they can have their own pages.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:23, April 22, 2016 (UTC)
Well, I can't do it. Will you delete the redirect links to the page so I can use them to create the pages? SSGKakarotto (talk) 20:18, April 22, 2016 (UTC)
Just edit the redirects into actual pages.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:22, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

Sysop Protection on Super Saiyan Page

I noticed the sysop protection on the Super Saiyan page. Is indefinite what you meant to use, or would a few weeks or a month suffice? It's easy to forget what's protected and have the page eventually get outdated, so temporary protection can be helpful. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:48, April 23, 2016 (UTC)

  • Ah, it was not meant to be indefinite, sorry. A few weeks or months would be better yeh.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:19, April 24, 2016 (UTC)


Ok I came across something that doesn't really make since in the anime Saturday Crush was called Double Sunday in the Funimation Dub, so what should we do? The attack we know as Double Sunday didn't have a name, also I am coming to this conclusion based on the fact that Saturday Crush and Double Sunday when comparing the Budokai series and the anime are fired the exact same way.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:02,4/24/2016 

Sorry to just jump in but I wouldn't really bother with it.  I know that the dubbed anime is considered a major source for this site but Funimation has a knack for misusing attack names.  A prime example of this being Buu's ghosts yelling Galick Gun instead of Masenko in the Buu saga.  Stitchking1 (talk) 00:17, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to do here, we could either mention this fact on both pages, or merge the two articles. Though if it is clear that they are not the same technique then there is no point in merging.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:14, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Edit Warring

User:BeyonderGodOmnipotent is undoing my edits continuously and adding things to qrticles that are not trivia. Will you check his edits to see if they're trivial or not. Besides that, he's edit warring SSGKakarotto (talk) 14:01, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

You started to edit warring my content multiple times already today and you don't know what trivia is so again Trivia is details, considerations, or pieces of information of little importance or value. so yes my edits are 100% valid and the information is DIRECTLY from the Dragon Ball Anime/Manga/Movies and can you work on your typing??? its already hard for me to understand you before with all the spelling errors. Beyonder (talk) 14:05, April 25, 2016 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent

the manual of style explains trivia "Trivia should be accurate, interesting, not fundamental to the body of the article, and preferably little known. Character comparisons should be avoided." SSGKakarotto (talk) 14:09, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

You pretty much described my edits buddy Good Game you beat yourself. Beyonder (talk) 14:11, April 25, 2016 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent

You are comparing Beerus and Broly which is not allowed SSGKakarotto (talk) 14:12, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Comparing=/=Battling multiple trivia has comparing kiddo try again man you failing omega hard right now lol and if you read they shared the TITLE of God of Destruction THAT is a TRIVIA fact because NOT alot of people know did you not read its under "Preferably little known." so hope off my edits and go upon your business i have no time for little kids having tantrums over edits. Beyonder (talk) 14:17, April 25, 2016 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent

It doesn't say battle comparisons. It says character comparisons. The compariosn between Beerus and Broly ahould be on the god of destruction page, which it is. Nit individual pages SSGKakarotto (talk) 14:39, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Not against the rules as i read man Good day. Beyonder (talk) 14:46, April 25, 2016 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent

Beyonder, the trivia you added on Broly was pointless and thus not needed. The two of you both edit warred on different pages - please refrain from this, instead use the talk page and leave the page as it was before until your discussion on talk is over. Thank you, and make sure not to act up again.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:22, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

  • Also Beyonder, I don't think that the tone you are taking when talking with SSG is appropriate, calling him "kiddo" and saying he is "failing omega hard right now lol" just makes you sound uncivilized. Please refrain from this and try to act politely even when arguing.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:24, April 25, 2016 (UTC)

Neffyarious, Old Kai is credited as Elder Kai in the Dragon Ball Z Battle of Gods credits. I think we should change the name. I'm pretty sure Old Kai was never said SSGKakarotto (talk) 02:10, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

Also, about Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan, will you lock the page so no one can edit it and change it to Super Saiyan Blue? SSGKakarotto (talk) 08:57, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

@Neffyarious Kiddo is a sign of him being a kid and i can see your issue with the other line and a argument is an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. which ours was heated but overall this kid is trying to keep changing pages to make them look the way he wants to which is becoming annoying. Beyonder (talk) 11:18, April 26, 2016 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent

It's been looking this way for a while. And you are continuing to undonmy edits even after they told you to stop SSGKakarotto (talk) 11:58, April 26, 2016 (UTC)

SSG, about the Elder Kai thing, it should be discussed on Talk:Old Kai, not on my page, and yeh I'll put a temporary lock on SSGSS. Beyonder, do you know he is a kid? If not then it could be taken as an insult, so I suggest you act more polite if you want to be taken seriously.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:04, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

that's what I wanted. I wanted you to go to the talk page because I already made a section there but no one is talking about it SSGKakarotto (talk) 11:38, April 27, 2016 (UTC)

Naruto and Pokemon

On General Discussion, there is a Naruto and Pokemon thread and it needs to be deleted. Threads should be monitored by someone because there're threads that shouldn't be there and the admins are rarely online to watch over anything. SSGKakarotto (talk) 04:20, May 5, 2016 (UTC)

Heads up

Heads up Meshack (aka SSGKakrotto) isn't happy that the Film Appearance has been added back to some pages, and he messaged me on his wiki about it and I messaged him back and asked him what he was going to do about it make another sock puppet and undo our edits and get the sock puppet plus his primary account banned, no reply yet.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  15:30,5/8/2016 

It's worth noting that he never said he would make another sock puppet. From what I see, he messaged you about an edit he didn't like and you took the opportunity to taunt him about getting banned. I don't see him implying anywhere that he'd make a sock to undo the edit. He did delete Goku20's talk page on the wiki, though, so I can only go by one side of the conversation. -- Final ChidoriTalk 16:43, May 8, 2016 (UTC)

Vandal this user is a vandal an has uploaded a picture to replace the Dragon Ball Evolution movie picture.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:19,5/10/2016 

Ultimate Uncut

Just bringing this up again, WHY OH WH DID YOU DELETE THAT ARTICLE!?????????????? IAmMaxB (talk) 14:49, June 5, 2016 (UTC)

I don't recall, how long ago was this? Make it again if you want.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:47, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
It was in November, I remember it. You're the one who deleted it, you should make it again. IAmMaxB (talk) 16:51, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
Tell me the exact page name. I'll check why I deleted it.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:53, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
Ultimate Uncut Special Edition All that's left is a direct. --IAmMaxB (talk) 18:19, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about my attitude BTW. IAmMaxB (talk) 18:19, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
Just prior to it's deletion it contained an inappropriate image that a vandal put on it, I ended up deleting both the page and the image. Since it was turned into a redirect I don't think I can bring it back to what it used to be, so it'll need to be redone from scratch.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:26, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
You can try, can you? IAmMaxB (talk) 19:21, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
I don't know anything about it so I wouldn't know what to put on the page.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:27, June 5, 2016 (UTC)
All I can say now is ask DeeBeeZee, otherwise look here . --IAmMaxB (talk) 21:13, June 5, 2016 (UTC)

So Now it was deleted, and I think you can search all over. I certainly know how it starts but the rest is very fuzzy. IAmMaxB (talk) 00:51, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Here's a referenc point:

The Ultimate Uncut Special Edition was a canceled line of DVD releases encompassing the uncut FUNimation redub of the Saiyan/Vegeta Saga and was supposed to includ

Pilaf Gang's wish for youth

Hello. I noticed that a month ago you edited Mai's page to include that at some point before May 12th, Age 767, Mai and the other gang members managed to use the Dragon Balls to become children again. So I was wondering how did you come to this conclusion? What's bothering me is that they all look very young in dragon ball super, 11 years after Age 767. Doesn't that mean that they used the dragon balls only recently? Thanks.--Sifadil (talk) 22:21, June 16, 2016 (UTC)


Hey Neffyarious, could you please delete this page and this page? The former is a fan term for Goku Black and the latter is an article consisting of fan-made DB drawings. Thanks! -- Final ChidoriTalk 14:15, June 19, 2016 (UTC)

Indentity Black

Oh Neffyarious I have question, The villains character Goku Black is Goten? BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 14:25, June 16, 2016 (UTC)


Someone defaced my userpage with a ton of Trump pictures and now I can't see crap. I could just click the "History" option under the edit button except, well, Trump's in the way. Since I have no way of undoing the edit (can't get to "History" under the edit button) I was wondering if you could help with Admin powers or something. I don't know for sure who did this, although I strongly suspect it was retaliatory vandalism by a nefarious troll called 'Stryz'. If you snatch him from his dwelling late at night and take him to your Admin Cave, I'm sure you can interrogate him to find out more. Sand bearprayview creations 01:29, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Hey idiot, the history says you were the one who added those images. Stryzzar (talk) 02:29, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Well there you go Neffy. Stryzzy just admitted (and provided evidence) that he hacked my account and vandalized my userpage. THAT MEANS DOUBLE HIS BLOCK TIME. Sand bearprayview creations 03:26, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

That does it, I've had enough. Since the admins are all afk, I've reported you to VSTF to have you kicked off. Goodbye Sand bear. Stryzzar (talk) 03:39, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Gee Stryzzy, you make it sound like Dragon Ball Wiki is incapable of handling its own problems! Sand bearprayview creations 03:43, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Darn Strzzar, you probably shouldn't be wasting VSTF's time with a joke like this. They have actual spam and vandalism to attend to. Calling Sandy an idiot isn't really helping your case here either. Respek please, guys. -- Final ChidoriTalk 06:19, June 24, 2016 (UTC)
So tell me, what do you call someone who vandalizes his own userpage and then tries to frame someone else for doing? Stryzzar (talk) 07:11, June 24, 2016 (UTC)
If he vandalised his own userpage, then it isn't vandalism. Sure framing someone else is bad I guess, but it would not be a job for VSTF (they are really special, like super heroes). Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 07:15, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Sand bear, please refrain from pulling pointless jokes on other wikia contributors. I'm sure you must have something better to do with your time? Thank, signed Neffy.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:26, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Beyond God

First off, I agree with what you're sayinig(partially).  While I do believe that it is relatively safe to assume that Vegeta does have the Beyond God power, there hasn't been any mention of it.  But what you just said means that there are many techniques that need to be edited on this wiki for that very reason.  There are no sources for linking certain characters to certain techniques and forms.  Risking it all for a friend and Super God Fist are egregious examples of this.  There is no correlating information that states the specific users are using the same move.  According to the wiki, every time Goku flies in and punches someone he is using a the Super God Fist.  Or, when someone jumps in and saves somebody else, it is Risking it all for a Friend.  I mean, they all look the same, but does that really mean they are the same?  As with Beyond God, Vegeta currently matches that short description to a "t" with his aura being identical to Goku's.  But, because it is not stated anyhwere that he has reached Beyond God, Vegeta been removed from the page as a user.  So, if you're going to remove Vegeta from the Beyond God user section, then there are several other pages you have to do that for as well.  Stitchking1 (talk) 20:03, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

Back when Full Power Super Saiyan had a page we did not list the likes of Vegeta as a user, because it was not confirmed anywhere even though he seemed to fit the description of FPSS. In terms of aura, Vegeta's had a white aura many times in the past so that does not matter. Only three sources have given any details about Saiyan beyond God - the DBH game, a Toriyama interview, and the Resurrection F manga. In the DBH game Goku can use SbG but Vegeta cannot, in the Toriyama interview it is said that Goku has absorbed the power of SSG in base form (while Vegeta has never gained SSG and so has not absorbed the power), and finally in the RF manga Goku is shown with SSG's image behind him as he attacks Whis and almost hits him while Vegeta does not have that image and does not come close to hitting Whis. So no, Vegeta cannot become a Saiyan beyond God, he and Goku both however have strong base forms (mostly due to training with Whis)
I agree with you that several technique pages are incorrect and need fixing, but the likes of risking it all for a friend is not incorrect since the characters listed are able to use it in several video games (where every character can use it).--Neffyarious (talk) 20:18, June 28, 2016 (UTC)
I put the message on both pages to make sure you got it.  But what I'm trying to say is that requirements for naming a technique are extremely loose.   Protecting someone instantly means they're using risking everything for a friend, Saiyans powering up are using Saiyan Soul, and random ki blasts turn into Big Bang Attacks.  In fact, some of those guys weren't even really friends of the ones they were protecting.  If there was a game where they had the technique then fine to say they actually had it then that's something different.  And in this case, because the "technique" was named in a game so that's what I'm going off of as a naming authority.   It takes the weight of the moment in the series away too as everybody can "perform" the "technique".  Stitchking1 (talk) 20:57, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

Well as I said there are a lot of pages needing cleaned, if their are random ki blasts on the Big Bang Attack page then just remove them, remove anyone who did not actually use risking it all for a friend etc.--Neffyarious (talk) 21:03, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

you delete page Dragon Ball 30th Anniversary Song—This unsigned comment was made by Songpon naksep (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • Yes, it was marked for deletion, and did not feature any official content.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:07, July 3, 2016 (UTC)

Glad I could help.

Hope we can do more with that goldmine of Dragon Ball Online illustrations. Maybe we can use that official art of the Unnamed Martial Artist I found to be the picture that shows up in the info box. JokerJay779 (talk) 20:04, August 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hey man ;u; i see you are active on this site so you must know alot

if you wanna talk on kik you can kik me at loliloverdatass (joke name homie i'm not about that life)

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Hello Neffyarious, I am coming to you so I don't end up getting into war edits with some users on this website. I would like for your permission for me to add in 'Super Saiyan weakened states' under Super Saiyan transformation line. When I added this some guy got really pissed at me. I know it might sound stupid but hear me out. If you look at all the characters in DBZ, heck, even Super, the ones who haven't been training have lost some of the Super Saiyan traits. First look at Gohan, Gohan is obviously a Super Saiyan 2 in Majin Buu Arc as well as Broly movie, when he goes ssj2 he loses his lightning and is in a much weaker state than the normal ssj, now this isn't another transformation, but it's a state. Look at DBS when Gotenks goes SSJ3, there's lightning for a split second then it's lost, from lack of training, you can argue this is a animation error, but I just don't believe that any more because they don't forget SSJ3 Gokus lightning when he versus trunks SSJ2. But in the anime gotenks had lighting and a more violent aura, as soon as Gotenks is born again in dbs by Trunks and Goten not training, he loses the lightning. 

I have one more request, which is to move Burst Kamehameha as a sperate page from God Kamehameha, they are both completely different things, God Kamehameha seems to be a God-enhanced version of Super Kamehameha and Burst kamehameha is a normal kamehameha with an additional burst of energy.

Thanks for listening to my request. TheCreepy904 (talk) 12:42, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

  • Even from your explanation "Super Saiyan weakened states" does not sound correct, nobody ever noted that these slight changes in appearance were weakened states. But I will separate Burst and God Kamehameha since they are different.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:46, August 8, 2016 (UTC)
Hai , My Name Is Briphaelle Vincent maweikere , can i be a admin too ? im a active member :D 


I was curious as to why you keep saying Gohan is stronger than Gotenks in the equivalent forms it is a well know fact he is stronger than super saiyan 3 gotenks and super Buu (piccolo absorbed) who is stronger than Gotenks.Tyman1102 (talk) 17:45, August 13, 2016 (UTC)Tyman1102


Hello, Neffyarious I am an administrator from DB Universe wiki, I noticed that you stole my illustration of a logo of the Freeza Force. Can I ask why did you decide to take my art? I'm rather just perturbed. I just don't understand what didn't compel you to ask me? I asked wikia, if I can get it removed and in fact I can. And I want to request if you can please not use my art without permission before I actually send wikia a request to delete it. The terms of service are very strict on using other people's personal art without consent from the creator. That is way for the most part fanart is not used on wikis, because its one's intellectual property. I can provide links and time-stamped information, including the original file itself. I don't know the feud between this wiki and DBU but I want to make it evidentially clear that I, unlike the others have nor ever had ill intent towards this wiki. And for the most part only am taken a shock as why you would take my credit of my illustration. My intentions to contact you are not malicious or based on ill-intent. --New World God 09:17, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

  • Do you mean this?, I didn't take it from your wiki as far as I can remember. I'll remove it anyway. Sorry for the trouble, I didn't even realize it was fan art because it's so well done I thought it was official.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:31, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

Fan Art

This picture is fanart from daiventart. it was found in the gallery on Bio Broly's page. Nikon23 08:38, August 18, 2016 (UTC)
Bio Broly


  • I see you removed it. Thanks.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:46, August 18, 2016 (UTC)

Question, how so I can add page like you ?? I was afraid if I add my account this page later in the tire or in the block, can you teach me how ??--Tjizzer 05:35, August 20, 2016 (UTC)

Whis Species

Hey Neffyarious. Since there are now at least 3 individuals part of Whis' species/position or whatever. Should there be a page for that? Stryzzar (talk) 07:55, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

  • I suppose one can be made.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:00, August 21, 2016 (UTC)


Is there anytime you'd be available to go the DB wiki chat? I would like to have a conversation with you --New World God 15:10, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

  • I never go on the chat and would prefer an alternate method of talking, but whenever really.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:12, August 21, 2016 (UTC)


Hi, the user is putting the name Super Saiyan Pink on Super Saiyan Rosé's article as an alternate official name, even when is not official. {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 17:06, August 21, 2016 (UTC)


How would you feel about a special page being made specifically for DB Fusions-only characters?It would be almost like the list of tertiary characters page, where each section shows a picture and a description of the character. The game releasing has really clogged up the wiki with a bunch of almost blank articles with a picture of the character and like a two sentence description, and them getting added to navboxes like the "Saiyans" one is a little annoying since they don't really deserve to be there and it could get a little confusing seeing "Brapan" and "Krigohan" mixed in with actual characters from the series. -- Final ChidoriTalk 23:26, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

  • Yeh, I was actually considering this myself. We could put all characters/fusions on it other than the major ones.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:58, August 23, 2016 (UTC)
That's great to hear haha. How would we go about doing this? I'm assuming we need to make a section on a talk page to get more opinions before implementing something like this and deleting all of those pages, though I'm not exactly sure where something like that would go. -- Final ChidoriTalk 15:00, August 23, 2016 (UTC)

We can make a discussion about it on the Dragon Ball Fusions talk page.--Neffyarious (talk) 14:29, August 24, 2016 (UTC)


This and this because this and this. Sand bearprayview creations 17:11, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

Stardust Breaker

Didn't that video say it was only a glitch? Should we really be mentioning that Yamcha can use the move? ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 05:30, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

  • He's still able to use it in game, and there's even a cutscene for him using the attack.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:20, September 11, 2016 (UTC)
But isn't that only a glitch? ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 13:53, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

East Supreme Kai

Wouldn't it be better to change Supreme Kai to East Supreme Kai and Supreme Kai (position) to Supreme Kai? Meshack (talk) 05:22, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Apologies (World's Strongest)

Ah, sorry. I saw that my edit was removed and did not see your removal reason on the history page, so I thought it was a glitch, thus I put it back. What was the official source that rendered it unnecessary?—This unsigned comment was made by EBsessed (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • Daizenshuu 6, it stated that World's Strongest takes place after the battle with the Saiyans, but before the battle on Namek. At that point in time Goku neither had higher Kaio-ken or Super Saiyan, so it does not cause an inconsistency.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:07, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
  • That book was released long before that discussion had taken place and was agreed upon. The Daizenshuu's timeline has long been debunked as nonsense because it doesn't fit with the actual story's events whatsoever. It causes a whole handful of inconsistencies, from Piccolo being alive and Gohan being on Earth, to Goku having the Kai symbol on the back of his gi. The book is a faulty source. That's the entire reason the debate took place, because the book's timeline is not considered to be legitimate in any capacity, thus we were finding where the film would actually take place, regardless of what the book so erroneously claims. EBsessed (talk) 10:09, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes it was released long before, but nobody had a copy on hand to check the timeline placement stated in it. Even if it does not fit, it is still an official source, and official source > fan speculation. Even if one makes more sense than the other, unfortunately. You should check the Manual of Style's canon section if your having trouble with this.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:15, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
  • Sure we did. The scan of the timeline page from that book has been up on the Dragon Ball Timeline page on this very wiki for years. It was readily available even while that discussion was taking place. User:10X Kamehameha, please weigh in on this. We wouldn't have wasted so much time and energy on that discussion if it was all just going to be thrown out due to the book's absurd claims, and the timeline was ready at hand the whole time. We weren't discussing official timeline placement, we were discussing when would actually make sense for the film to take place. Is that not correct, 10X? EBsessed (talk) 10:20, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
  • We are not as lenient as we used to be with fan information/speculation either these days you see, all the other movie pages had theirs removed too, and pages like Super Saiyan Third Grade, which once had fan names (Ultra Super Saiyan) were renamed, and the fanon information removed. The Manual of Style does not include fan speculation in it as a canon tier either, as you can see.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:26, September 19, 2016 (UTC)


If you are on I actually need your help.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:07,9/19/2016 

  • With what.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:01, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

Well for one at that time with Bargeta with Strawberries and also can you check Meshack edits to see if he is right about some of them, because the ones dealing with DBH I don't know about and then I haven't checked all his edits that he has made since being back.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  13:33,9/20/2016 

No, it's correct. Kanji is Hakaiō which means Destruction King. It does not say Hakai no ō. Also, something I'm going on about is what a Majin is. A Majin has only been referred to Boo or his race, no others. Some people believe that Majin are people with the ones with the "M" means they're a Majin but that's not true. Those people are anyone who has been posessed by Babidi or put under his control, which is called Babidi's Forces but the Destruction Kings have not been referred to as being part of Babidi's Forces.

Also, I have a problem with Baby Janemba and Baby Hatchiyack but it's on their talk pages. Meshack (talk) 13:50, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

  • Well English sources do refer to people with the Demon mark on their forehead as "Majin", so it still has to be mentioned, but yeah, they are not Majin and it should not be treated as the primary way of identifying them.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:54, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

Ok and Meshack my only problem with one of your most recent edits is the whole ten year later section you added no other character from DBZ from the timeline we see has that, that is why I removed it from Gohan.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  13:56,9/20/2016 

Yeah because I wasn't finished because I got side tracked and began dealing with the Majin situation. Also, go to Baby Janemba's talk page and discuss something I posted there Meshack (talk) 14:23, September 20, 2016 (UTC)


I need your help with Bargeta he is not following site policy. I went to 10X about it and he said to let you handle it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:53,9/21/2016 

Edit war

Strawberries1 is not following site policy. He is edit warring on Goku Black's article.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:27,9/21/2016 


 look! Meshack keeps reverting all of my edits, he keeps adding quotes to the Future Trunk Saga name on all character's page and won't provide a source Nikon23 03:25, September 23, 2016 (UTC)


  • Yes but sometimes people do not notice the source, and Nikon seems to not have seen it. You should have sent it to him on his talk page.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:44, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Neff... are you serious? Meshack (talk) 03:45, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

  • Unfortunately yes. I know it sounds stupid, but some users will not notice the source and will thus dispute the edit. Since it's a new edit to alter the page you must clear up the dispute before you can finalize it. So you just send the source and then the problem is solved.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:47, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

and that's all he had to do in the first place Neffy. it took for me to constantly ask for the source to finally get one. this isn't personal. you acting like you're the only one allowed to make a edit here. Nikon23 03:51, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

How am I acting as if I'm the only one allowed to edit? I'm just editing. I don't appreciate it whenever someone decides to undo something without checking Meshack (talk) 03:55, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

you just said, "that you hate that i'm allowed to dilberately undo your edits" and you just went on a rant about me on 10X's page. let's keep it real, you was banned for so long because you was using 2 accounts to edit with. so don't blame me for your mistakes Nikon23 04:02, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

I got banned because you wouldn't stop undoing my edit on Dragon Ball GT, but anyway, Neff, speaking of sources, where's the source for Potaufeu Saga? Meshack (talk) 04:13, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

i was banned also that time. and your ban was extended after you were caught using a 2nd account, take some responsibility. Nikon23 04:20, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

About the "Potaufeu Saga" - *There's a note on it's page about it "While not officially named, this mini saga is neither part of the Universe 6 Saga (as evidenced by it's different title card silhouette, and it's lack of relation to the Universe 6 Saga's plotline) nor the Future Trunks Saga (which is confirmed to start on June 12)". Also, currently discussion is going on about whether or not it should be merged into the U6 Saga or not, and there is a source that may be adequate to allow a merger.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:22, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Since there was no Pot whatever Arc announced, the page should be merged with the Universe 6 Arc page Meshack (talk) 04:24, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

so are we going to merge them or not?  Nikon23 04:25, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

The fact that this seems to treat the Universe 6 Saga and "Potaufeu Saga" as one means that it probably will be merged.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:30, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

I mean, it shouldn't have been separate in the first place Meshack (talk) 04:34, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Well, it was pretty ambiguous in the first place, as the note says it is not part of the FT Saga, and it does not fit in with Toriyama's description of the U6 Saga's plot - plus it has a new title card.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:36, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

The thing is, it doesn't matter about the title card, nothing was annouced. You can't just make a new page and slap the "this page name is not official but it's still here" Meshack (talk) 04:39, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

You can, since it's ambiguous. Until it is resolved. The reason for it not being announced could easily have been due to it being Toei "filler", and so not a "true arc".--Neffyarious (talk) 04:41, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

WSJ wiki

Are you free to do some editing on the Weekly Shonen Jump Wiki? {{SUBST:User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 22:30, September 23, 2016 (UTC)


Hey Nef, sorry to push this on you but can you rename Dragon Ball XenoVerse back to "Dragon Ball Xenoverse"? It's not letting me do it for some reason, figured an admin could. Thanks! -- Final ChidoriTalk 17:42, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

  • Done.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:57, September 24, 2016 (UTC)


May I create a "Antagonists" category? This is for characters who aren't necessarily evil but oppose the protagonists. For example, Pilaf and his gang not evil, but they just want (and still do) to dominate the world. Especially even now when they are with Trunks. Another is Zamasu. Zamasu is not evil but he still opposes the protagonists Meshack (talk) 19:11, September 25, 2016 (UTC)

Zamasu is referred to as evil in the manga. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:42, September 26, 2016 (UTC)


There's a particular user who has edited certain character pages in a way that a characters biography not includes what they did in Battle of Gods and Resurrection F immediately before similar events in Dragon Ball Super.

Is that right? It was never like that before. Such information was in the Film Appearances section for obvious reasons.

It makes the page look dreadful too.Bullza (talk) 02:09, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

Neffy, I looked up these edits and handled this one. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:42, September 26, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:00, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

Meshack Blocked

Fyi, Meshack is blocked again. He made personal attacks, made up lies to attack me and elsewhere to try to prove a point, and reformatted many articles the opposite of the way a consensus on the MoS page he was heavily involved in agreed to. He has done that previously, and been warned not to. When he fails with facts, he makes personal attacks and/or makes things up, or simply does what he wants anyway once he thinks people have stopped looking. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:55, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

  • Yes, I see. It is unfortunate that we got this turnout, but I still think it is a good thing that we gave him one last chance.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:58, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

Goku Black


can you please remove the protection and change it back to goku black?

and put zamasu in alternate names?

becouse its a huge spoiler and nothing has been confirmd yet .—This unsigned comment was made by Azgaman (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • Even if it's a massive spoiler we have to cover it. We have an official source, so that means it's confirmed. The latest official information indicates that Present Zamasu = Goku Black, so we'll retain this information until it is proven untrue. Also the protection is set to disappear when the episode comes out.--Neffyarious (talk) 07:16, September 30, 2016 (UTC)


Plz move this page to Goku Black, so all the history goes with it. (an admin has to do it so you can delete the other page) Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 06:23, October 2, 2016 (UTC)


Can you deal with this guy and this guy? ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 01:22, October 3, 2016 (UTC)

Already warned them, sorry for stealing your job Neff. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:44, October 3, 2016 (UTC)
Aye, thanks Final Chidori. This page really needs to be protected before more chaos ensues. People are already resorting to insults. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 01:45, October 3, 2016 (UTC)

Future Zamasu and Goku Black

Was it ever confirmed that Future Zamasu is an alternate timeline counterpart of Goku Black? ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 15:22, October 3, 2016 (UTC)

Technically, yes, but no evidense comming from Black yet. SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 15:31, October 3, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, since Black is an incarnation of Zamasu, that makes Present Zamasu and Future Zamasu his alternate timeline counterparts.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:46, October 4, 2016 (UTC)

GT on Main Timeline

why you leave dragon ball gt out of the main timeline on the alternate timeline page? Nikon23 09:34, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

  • I didn't.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:35, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
  • i don't see it. it only shows events from DragonBall Z and Dragon Ball Super Nikon23 09:38, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
  • I don't see it either. But I did not remove it.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:40, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
  • can i just add the events? it won't be nothing too long Nikon23 09:42, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
  • Sure.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:44, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

Commeson Saga:

can you remove the Commeson Saga from the Dragon Ball Super Saga box, since it was combined with the Universe 6 Saga? Nikon23 10:08, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

  • You mean from the Saga template that has every saga in it? If so then no, it's included there for the same reason as "Wedding Dress" is, and is italicized to denote that it is not a proper saga.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:20, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
  • you know what there's a source for the peaceful world saga, so where is this source for this wedding dress and commesion for being sagas? this look like some made up stuff again Nikon23 10:59, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
  • Eh, we put them there because they are anime-only stories added on at the end of sagas, not their own saga, but also not a part of the saga they were added too. If you really want them removed then I suppose you can remove them.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:19, October 9, 2016 (UTC)
  • well, it's not really a big deal, it can stay how it is. beside when you click onto the links it takes you to Piccolo Jr Saga and Universe 6 saga anyhow Nikon23 11:22, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

heads up on a new user named Shonda123. go through the history of xenoverse 2 page. Nikon23 19:25, October 9, 2016 (UTC)


a new user named User:Pluto2 reverted your edit for no reason on the Potaufeu Saga Nikon23 21:12, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Arbitrary Fusions

I was wondering where you got the Arbitrary Fusions from, because I wanna see if i could find more images.--Made up Character Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Page I ignore Things I do petition for db fusions outside of japan-euro-amerca 06:32, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

  • On the Dragon Ball Fusion forum on Kanzenshuu, that's where I found out about them.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:18, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Jump Database

Anyway i have yet to hear a response about editing on the Jump Database. {{SUBST:User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 01:10, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

  • Huh, I thought I did. I don't think I'll edit there, sorry.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:07, October 13, 2016 (UTC)
    • Know anyone who might be interested? {{SUBST:User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 02:46, October 13, 2016 (UTC)
      • Not in particular, though I'm sure that there are people on this wiki who might help out.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:33, October 13, 2016 (UTC)
        • How does the Jump Database look to you? {{SUBST:User:Byzantinefire/Sig}} 04:25, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

I think it looks good.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:27, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Team Four Star on Xenoverse 2 Page:

someone keeps trying to add info about team four star (a fan dub parody) to the xenoverse 2 page. this happen before last year on the Xenoverse 1 page Nikon23 16:16, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

  • They are noting voice actors for Xenoverse 2, and giving background on them, I see no problem with this.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:26, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

Nikon you need to stop removing info, those voice actors are officially part of Xenoverse 2 and the voice performance of the Future Warrior isn't fan dub either. Stop edit warring! You have like 4 blocks for doing that ~ Yon ~Great King Cold SDBH World Mission artworkVisit my talk page! 16:44, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

  • i see a big problem with it. it's not a offical dub. i don't see toyble's dragon ball af or anyone else's fan stuff here on this wiki. so why should this be accepatable. no one but team four star fans only care about that info. this the same debate from last year on Xenoverse 1 and BREKKU keeps removing sources. Nikon23 16:47, October 21, 2016 (UTC)
  • you need to mind your got damn business and i didn't ask you to remind me how many blocks i have. no one said the voice over for future warrior was fan dub, but that team four star crap is fan dub work. so i'll removing it the team four star crap. it doesn't belong Nikon23 16:47, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

and he's still removing sources from the Xenoverse 2 page again Nikon23 16:49, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

User:BREKKU is still removing sources from Future Trunks (Super) on Xenoverse 2 page. this is the third time now. Nikon23 16:59, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

this is the 4th time now from BREKKU on xenoverse 2 page Nikon23 17:09, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

New article

So wait, you are not deleting the article ? SuperBen 1000000 (talk) 03:44, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

  • Why would I? It's used by Black and named in Dokkan Battle right? So that would mean it's page worthy.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:52, October 23, 2016 (UTC)

This article should exist in the wiki

An article about Godtube should be made. It was very integral to the plot of the Goku Black saga, and was present in both the manga and anime. Yep, sure it was just a gag but also was important to Zamasu's learning that Goku possessed God Ki which further infuriated him.

DuttPanda (talk) 10:05, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

  • I agree, the article should exist. You don't need to tell me, I'm not stopping it from being made, it's just no one has made it, you can if you want.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:07, October 30, 2016 (UTC)

Messed Up articale categories

for some reason I cannot delete the "Vegeta Saga" categorie, and when I add more categories they not showing.—This unsigned comment was made by Yaronos (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

The Raditz Saga is part of the Vegeta Saga (aka the Saiyan Saga).  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  16:44,10/30/2016 

I understand you didn't read my coment.Yaronos (talk) 17:19, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

The Vegeta Saga category automatically goes there because of the Vegeta Saga templates, and since the Raditz Saga is part of the Vegeta Saga that is fine. I checked to see if categories could be added and was able to do so without issue.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:27, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Never Mind.Yaronos (talk) 17:19, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Radar

Hey Neffy. My computer freaked out and saved my edit summary before I was done typing. Anyhow, all dragon ball sets are different and should be expected to have different electromagnetic characteristics. Whether or not Bulma could have detected the black star balls, she had no reason to suspect there was a second set on Earth and wouldn't have tried. Would it have made sense for her to sweep more frequencies and check for a second set on Earth? Probably not, maybe, who knows. It's certainly not an inconsistency, a term we should only use when the events are impossible. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:05, November 4, 2016 (UTC)

  • But then when they go in to space the Dragon Radar detects them just fine.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:07, November 4, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, Bulma is a technology genius and is using the radar knowing she is searching for a second set of dragon balls. They are also planet-sized and have nothing but a vacuum between the balls and the radar, unlike Earth where there is interference. Bulma never detected the Super Dragon Balls-until she was looking. Same for both cases. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:23, November 4, 2016 (UTC)

How would I go about doing this?

On this page

In the box's there's a symbol to left of the saga name. There's either a little Dragon Ball or the Z, GT or Super logos which if you click on links to the anime page.

It's not like that for Kai though, it has the same Z symbol which links to the DBZ page. How would we change that so the Kai sagas have their own symbol which links to the Dragon Ball Kai page?Bullza (talk) 20:55, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

Oooh, I can help with this one since I made the saga boxes. We have a DB Series template which displays a little icon depending on what you put in the field. I believe we used to have one for Kai before it got deleted, though I can't remember exactly why. I'm willing to add one, I just need to find a nice, clean version of the Kai logo (without the "Dragon Ball Z" text around it). I'm suprisingly not finding any good ones. -- Final ChidoriTalk 21:53, November 5, 2016 (UTC)

It's fine for episodes, but we originally deleted the logo template because it got stuck on every character infobox from Z. Any character in Kai is also in Z, so having both logos is just clutter. Sure there are a handful of characters in Z and not Kai, but it's no reason to add clutter everywhere. Kai is simply a remastered, re-edited DBZ, and we should avoid treating it like a standalone series when possible. It's confusing for readers new to the franchise, and redundant. As long as the character infoboxes don't end up with Kai logos it's fine for episodes. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:24, November 6, 2016 (UTC)


Please block this annoying troll, he just barges into a thread and starts insulting everyone, acting like he's the smartest in the world and everyone else is an idiot. Stryzzar (talk) 09:10, November 14, 2016 (UTC)

  • Gave him a warning.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:23, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

Timeline Troubles

With Zeno wiping out the multiverse (or at least, Universe 7) of the Future Timeline in the previous episode, some are adding dates of death for video game characters in that timeline. Just curious what your thoughts were on this. It's *technically* correct, but I don't think we should be adding dates of death for video game only characters that haven't made an appearence in the anime or been confirmed dead. -- Final ChidoriTalk 00:02, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

  • Future Old Kai is dead anyway, as he was killed by Future Dabura in the Super manga. It should be fine for others, as we know they exist, so they defintley died when Zen-chan destroyed everything, but they may have died before hand so it's technically speculation.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:34, November 22, 2016 (UTC)

You are a credit to this wiki

I saw your edit on the Meta Cooler page. Very good job there. Loved it. JokerJay779 (talk) 04:09, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

  • Thank you.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:12, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Super timeline

The official English subs for Dragon Ball Super mention in Episode 1 that a few months pass after the dragon balls were used to summon Shenron and erase memories of Majin Buu. Goku implies that it is not that long after Buu, and Vegeta does as well in Episode 2. This would mean that Dragon Ball Super begins nine months after Kid Buu's defeat. What do you think? I cannot find anything in the guidebooks and it is also clear that the BOG and ROF movies are in a different timeline since supposedly BOG is 4 years after...

Imperial Wyrm 16:51, December 8, 2016 (UTC)

  • We don't have any statement that BoG and RF are in separate timelines, and our only clear cut piece of info is that BoG's events are 4 years after, while Super's 4 months could be referring just to the start.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:55, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

This guy keeps switching pictures...

He uses high res and switches to low res, then back to high res... I'm calling him an idiot, not you.(Solus Prime (talk) 23:03, December 26, 2016 (UTC))


Main Page

Hey Neffy, if you're available, could you please look over this list of proposed changes to the main page and leave your opinion on it? Thanks a bunch, dude. — Final ChidoriTalk 02:35, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Super Saiyan Fourth Grade

If you don't mind me asking, what source did you use to warrant the Full Power Super Saiyan name change to Fourth Grade?  There is no link to the comic.—This unsigned comment was made by Stitchking1 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • Here's a link to a translation of the section of the anime comic about Super Saiyans.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:24, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
    • Is it really appropriate to go by that source? It refers to SSJ2 as "Super Saiyan Grade 5". ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 02:58, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
      • Yeh, because that was before SS2 was actually called "Super Saiyan 2", so "Super Saiyan Fifth Grade" was it's official name. Plus this is the only source which refers to Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan Fourth Grade as separate forms, so without it we would merge the SS and SS4G pages.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:01, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
      • Isn't it referred to as Full Power Super Saiyan in the Daizenshuu?  So the wiki is going to go ahead and use a dated term instead of the updated term used in the Daizenshuu?  We should just call Super Saiyan 2 Super Saiyan Fifth Grade from now on.  There should be a bit of continuity with naming transformations.  The most recent name given should be used as the title.  Especially when concerning form that is never named in the series proper.  And unlike second and third grade, this form is basically identical to Super Saiyan.  The translation even states that it's just Super Saiyan without the restlessness.  While I think this should still be with the Super Saiyan page I can get over having its own page.  But to use an archaic name simply to give the form its own page is superfluous.  Stitchking1 (talk) 04:03, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

The term "Super Saiyan Full Power" is used in Daiz2 to refer to Goku in his Super Saiyan form after training in the time chamber yes, but in the same section Daiz2 also refers to Gohan after training in the time chamber as just "Super Saiyan", the section also does not indicate that "Super Saiyan Full Power" is a different form and simply uses it to differentiate Goku during the Cell Games from Goku on Namek. The Trunks Anime comics however refers to it as it's own form, lists Goku and Gohan as users, and the "Fourth Grade" name fits the naming scheme of referring to improved versions of Super Saiyan 1 as graded forms. So yeah, we have continuity with naming forms. With your point about Super Saiyan 2, if you look at our naming conventions in the MoS you'll see that manga names are preferred over guidebook names, so even if Super Saiyan 2 was always called "Fifth Grade" on every occasion outside of the manga, we would call it by it's manga name: Super Saiyan 2. And as for the most recent name given being used as a title, that means we would have to alter almost every techniques name whenever a new video game comes out since they always give different names to techniques.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:26, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

The supplemental Daizenshuu refers to Full Power being its own form does it not?  And it shows Goku and Gohan in the form.  The image itself is already on the wiki.  The entire purpose of the Daizenshuu is to provide explanations and fill in gaps to the series.  Both in the manga and anime.  And the comic is the first source for the name, it is far less definitive that the Daizenshuu.  Most of the information on information on Super Saiyan levels on this wiki are brought straight from the Daizenshuu aren't they?  Why would they bother renaming that form later on while using the same name for the previous forms if they weren't intending to refer to it as such?  It does not make much sense.  I know the manual of style does not rate the Daizenshuu that high but, sometimesyou should take a step back and think outside the guidelines and determine which name is more appropriate.  Stitchking1 (talk) 14:00, January 3, 2017 (UTC) 

Under photo where Gohan punched Buu

  • I don't see any reference to the term "Super Saiyan Full Power" on that page.--Neffyarious (talk) 14:19, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
    • Ah I found it, it only says "Full Power" though - not "Super Saiyan Full Power", still, going by the graded terms makes more sense in a form continuity sort of way, though "Full Power" may be a better distinguisher...--Neffyarious (talk) 14:22, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
      • My japanese is not the best but, this image refers to the grades as simply Second Grade and Third Grade does it not? Stitchking1 (talk) 18:41, January 3, 2017 (UTC)
      • there's no such thing of this super saiyan fourth grade, you should change it back to it's correct name. this graded term only makes sense to you Nikon23 23:09, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Yes the page does just refer to the grades as 2nd Grade and 3rd Grade. Ok, I'll change the name to "Full Power". Also, Nikon please don't be ignorant, it does not add to the conversation, the term Super Saiyan Fourth Grade is an official term; there is such a thing as it, it's from the Trunks Film Anime Comics.--Neffyarious (talk) 01:55, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

Hey dude i was browsing the wiki and disscovered you where an admin. I didnt know that lol congrats. Also makes since how your very knowledgable. Anyways, give me message if you ever need anything or wanna talk. P.S why dont you have custom sig? Do you not like them? VegitoSSVegito SSJ4SSJ4 VegetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSupremegogetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSs4goku animeSs4GOGETAGogeta photo 19:36, January 9, 2017 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I've been an admin for a few years now. Sure I'll keep you in mind if I need anything. The reason I don't have a custom sig is because I have never felt like getting one, not that I dislike them. I'm usually on wiki for the working part and don't participate in the social parts like blogs or chat unless asked, so I feel that a custom sig would not really be necessary.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:03, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

I understand. I personally would like a new one but theres really no need to do so considering how deserted the wiki is these days. Besides its always hard for me to decide on stuff on like that. Oh and thanks again for helping me out with the arguments on the main page and the whole "wedding dress" thing. I talked to 10x about it after your recent info about it and so far hes ignored it. Hopefully its gone soon, but anyways whose your favorite character of the seires? VegitoSSVegito SSJ4SSJ4 VegetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSupremegogetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSs4goku animeSs4GOGETAGogeta photo 02:18, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

  • Don't worry about the wedding dress thing, I myself can remove it but I am obliged to give the people defending the article some time to come up with a source - since their is currently no source provided if they do not come up with one soon I will merge the pages. My favorite character is Frieza, how about you (Gogeta I'm guessing)?--Neffyarious (talk) 02:24, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Alright dude that sounds great to me! Lol i was tired of talking about it. And yes Gogeta is deffiently my overall favorite character. However after the new Frieza movie i gotta say ive been enjoying Frieza much more than i originally did. (I mean he was always one of my favs but that moved him up) my former favorites where Bardock and android 17. Probably Future Trunks aswell. But now that ive gotten older my taste in characters have changed a little. Weird how it does that. Dabura is also a personal favorite. And thatd probably sum up my list. VegitoSSVegito SSJ4SSJ4 VegetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSupremegogetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSs4goku animeSs4GOGETAGogeta photo 02:50, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Golden Frieza

Do you really not think I've talked about it in the talk page? I'VE ALREADY DONE SO BEFORE YOU EVEN COMMENTED ON IT!—This unsigned comment was made by Rogeta234 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

I did not see because you did not sign your post, to sign your post use the "signature with timestamp" button, it resembles a squiggly line. In this scenario you should have informed me that you had already gone on talk, but instead you just continued to undo my edit. In relation to the talk, first of all you should have not addressed the current statement on the page, it does not claim that Golden Frieza is stronger than current SSB Goku/Vegeta, just that "Golden Frieza is stronger than SSB" which is not speculation, its just what the source says.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:25, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Regarding your reversion of the Fountain of Youth

It seems you disliked my edit to the Fountain of Youth wiki, what did you feel was wrong with it? The current article makes zero sense. Using Baba's Confirmed age as a source is better then blindly asuming he lied just becuase he died.

Metalavery (talk) 00:53, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

  • It is not "blindly assumed because he died", As he is about to die Roshi straight up says in the manga that he lied about drinking it.--Neffyarious (talk) 01:01, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
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