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Can you please lock these pages or something? or ban the person Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:16, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

halp 2

Move Namekians to Namekian. When SS7S was vandalizing, Kotsy moved to the wrong page. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:35, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

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This file doesn't need to be reuploaded again and again k, thanks. — A (tc) 12:41, April 2, 2015 (UTC)

Majin Booby (miss majin)

good afternoon, I come to complain User Matelsmed that without any argument to refute my edition simply reversed the edition I did, I invite you to read my argument and intervene in the situation, as I'm sure you will not let me do the editing

Clow468 (talk) 21:24, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Neffy don't worry about doing whaat he asked he was in the wrong to make his edit because he added fan art.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:49,4/18/2015 

I already explained in the talk page. Just because she was done from Buu's body, doesn't mean she has to be pink. Evil Buu was also born from Buu's born and is grey. -- 100BBKXenoverse2 22:10, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

and their image by miss buu is just a promotional image showing the different colors you can have the majin race in the game, does not represent any specific character, but yet put it to identify a character or make appearance in the game certainly I put pictures are an art fan but at least it fits the description of the character based on the little information that gives the intro of the game. I would say if you can not put fan arts then the article should not have images of the character

Clow468 (talk) 22:13, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't matter your edit was wrong so your edit got undone now accept that and get over it. It isn't a big deal. At least the images are of Miss Buu even if the images are promotional images they are allowed since they are actual images of the character.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:19,4/18/2015 
That pic of Miss Buu comes from the same guidebook that shows Fu, Mira and Towa's son. It was only released in Korea and Taiwan. -- 100BBKXenoverse2 22:20, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

are promotional images of the race, without being of any character in specific, and your only bleat argument to say that my edition was wrong is the use of a fan art image with an attitude so superb like that and expect to have a page of items made by users??

I will wait for Nefarious rule to withdraw from the subject, as from the character's name to the image to represent are wrong

Clow468 (talk) 22:25, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

then send me the link of this supposed Guide

Clow468 (talk) 22:27, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Neffy will tell you that your edit was wrong because of you adding fan art go read the rules and the MoS before you reply again since you clearly didn't read them to begin with.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:29,4/18/2015 

for me the main rule is to correct misinformation so others do not take it for true

Clow468 (talk) 22:35, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely no fanart is allowed on the main pages. I can confirm that the character's name is Miss Buu, and that that image is a genuine picture of her, I have seen the translated guide myself.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:55, April 19, 2015 (UTC)


Neffy, plz go here and vote for "Dragon Ball Wiki Brasil"? It's the wiki I'm an admin at. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:28, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

japanese name of Super Makeover?

Where did you find this? Didn't it have the Japanese name? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:52, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

  • It's from DBH. I'll get the japanese name later.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:58, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
You google translated that, didn't you? It's 悪夢の超変身 (Akumu no Chō Henshin). Cho Henshin means "Super Transformation", but google translates as Super Makeover... Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:08, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
Bing translates it less worse, as "Terrifying Super Transformation". I'll rename it. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:10, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
Yeh I used google translate for it.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:12, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
Brotip: don't. Ask someone who knows Japanese, because 90% of the time google will get it wrong. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:16, May 2, 2015 (UTC)
Don't know anyone who knows Japanese. I know it's usually wrong, but it still gives a somewhat decent translation, so I use it when I have to.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:18, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

super evolution

I tried looking everywhere, but couldn't find anything on Super Evolution or its japanese name. The only thing I found was 悪夢の超変身(第4), which is a "fourth Terrifying Super Transformation". Did you make this up? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:11, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

  • Did not make up. It's from Daizenshuu 6 (translated by Kazenshuu staff).Neffyarious (talk) 10:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
Then where is it so I can look it up? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:21, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
It isn't called that. My wiki documented it too: Kazenshuu translated it as "Fourth Transformation". "Super Evolution" was entirely made up. Here is the link. Scroll down to the attack translations and it is about mid-way down. Do a Ctrl+G search for "Coola" or "4th Transformation" and you'll see it. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 20:13, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
Maybe whoever saw 超変身 (Cho Henshin, Super Transformation) thought it meant Super Evolution and poor Neffy created the page. Apparently it is just another of the Terrifying Transformations. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:25, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

It was called Super Evolution in Daizenshuu 6 not Daizenshuu 7 (which called it Fourth Transformation). If I can find it i'll show you.--Neffyarious (talk) 00:11, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

I went to Kanzenshuu and used its search engine for "Super Evolution Daizenshuu 6" but nothing worthy appears, only some random users using the term Super Evolution. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:10, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
They don't have the translations up anymore. Back when Kanzenshuu was Kanzentai they translated all of the Daizenshuus, very accurately I might add. Of course Kanzentai is gone, so I'd need to look on web archives. If I can find the web archive of these translations I'll tell you.--Neffyarious (talk) 01:20, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

I asked on Kanzenshuu and found this:

"Super evolution! This is the final form!!
As opposed to Freeza, whose power was too strong in his third-transformation form, to the point where he couldn't restrain it, Coola is able to always be in his third-transformation form, and in addition is capable of one more transformation!!
Coola (Final Form)
The shape of each part of his body, including all of his muscles, bulge out and become large."

So it's not like they say explicitely "the form's name is Super Evolution!!!!!!!11". It's just "called" Super Evolution. But since it is part of the Terrifying Transformations, it should stay in the same page, but we can keep "Super Evolution" as a alternate name. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:42, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Please do not make changes until the discussion is over. Super Evolution is one of the Terrifying Super Transformations, but it should still get it's own page as it is called "Super Evolution" and has it's own attributes, similar to Super Saiyan and 2nd Grade Super Saiyan.--Neffyarious (talk) 07:39, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Looks like they name it there as "Final Form", not super evolution. The quote part with exclamation points just seems colloquial. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 14:07, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, if its name were super evolution, they would write Coola (Super Evolution), but they didn't. And there's also this pic, which also comes from Daiz 6. And then we have Daiz 7 which calls it Fourth Transformation.. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:09, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

The form is Cooler's final form, and it is the Fourth Transformation, they are both names. However the form is called "Super Evolution", when I see "Super Evolution! This is the final form!!" I read it as describing the form as being named Super Evolution, and that it is the final form. I agree that it is one of the TSTs, but It has a name that has never been applied to them, and it is different trait-wise, so while it should be mentioned on the TSTs page, it should also have it's own. I view this as similar to how we treat Super Saiyan and it's variations.Neffyarious (talk) 10:01, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

If we do a different page for Cooler's final form, it should be named "Fourth Transformation", not Super evolution. Super evolution is not the name of the form. They are just saying that it is an evolution, and a Super evolution, that Frieza doesn't have. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:45, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

The Saiyan transformations are used by multiple characters on numerous occasions, and there are a ton of them. Frieza's race only has 5-6 forms, most of which are only used by one user, and only once. We currently have the forms split into three pages (Terrifying_Super_Transformation, Super_Evolution, and Ultimate_Evolution:_Golden_Form), all of which are basically stubs, and some of which don't even link to each other. I think if we are trying to make this information easy to access for readers, those three pages should be combined into one. With all the info on one page, the choice of name becomes less important because it is not necessary to find the info. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:58, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Fourth Transformation is a part of the Terrifying Transformations (it is the fourth, like Frieza's first, second and third transformations), so it should be in the same page, but Ultimate Evolution wasn't mentioned to be one of the Terrifying Transformations. Ultimate Evolution has its own name, 究極進化 (Kyūkyoku Shinka). Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 19:53, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

The only other name I found for Cooler's transformation is the normal "Final Form" (最終形態, Saishū Keitai), used in all video games. Unless Neffy wants to make a page called "Final Form" or "Cooler's Final Form", the best thing to do would be put it with the Terrifying Transformations. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:06, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
Fine, even though I believe that it would fit better if we gave Super Evolution it's own page, I guess we can just have it purely as part of the TSTs.--Neffyarious (talk) 08:05, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

your welcome i just like to help(Spice boys (talk) 22:08, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

Ultimate Evolution

In the movie, Frieza calls the form "Golden Frieza" instead of Further Evolution/Ultimate Evolution (that was only in the trailer I guess), so wouldn't it be better to rename? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:30, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

  • Golden Frieza is what Frieza calls himself he is in the form, Ultimate Evolution is the form's name. Like how Vegeta calls himself Super Vegeta in 2nd Grade. It should not be renamed.Neffyarious (talk) 08:07, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
Frieza movie golden
That's not what the dialogue implies. If he were referring to himself, he would say "...I call myself Golden Frieza..", but he says "shall we call [the form] Golden Frieza?" Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:58, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
True, but it's clear that the form's name is not "Golden Frieza", what would happen if Cooler achieved it, would he be Golden Frieza Cooler? Golden Frieza is just what Frieza calls it. Even if Frieza has his own name for it, the form itself is referred to as Ultimate Evolution in the pre-release promotional material, so that name fits fine.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:04, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
Ultimate/Further Evolution is the name from the trailer, but it was changed to "Golden Frieza" in the movie. Like how they changed Ultimate Gohan to SSJ Gohan and blue aura to red aura for SSG in Battle of Gods. Also, pretty much everywhere else (like dragon ball heroes, zenkai battle royale, dokkan battle) refers to it only as "Golden Frieza". It's basically the same thing as the Fourth Transformation/Super Evolution all over again. It can still be a redirect and alternate time and whatnot, but the most used name is Golden Frieza. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:17, May 23, 2015 (UTC)
  • It was never called Ultimate Evolution in the trailer itself. It was given that name as part of an explanation on the movie, alongside the Mezanami TV trailer. Sure that name is used more than Ultimate Evolution, but 2nd Grade Super Saiyan Vegeta is always called Super Vegeta, and we havent changed the name of that page.Neffyarious (talk) 02:38, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

Well you got me there. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:53, May 23, 2015 (UTC)


Keeps edit warring here and here. Plz halp Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 22:13, May 23, 2015 (UTC)

And some dude added random categories in their blog. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:35, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

You didn't remove the categories in the blog linked above. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:04, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

  • Pls have patience. All done now.Neffyarious (talk) 03:07, May 24, 2015 (UTC)
XDD Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:09, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Keeps edit warring plz help Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 12:35, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

Good job!

Hey man. I used to be a former admin here under the name of Nappa'sgoatee back in 2011. I'm pleased to see a newer admin is greatly contributed to both articles and user issues. Keep up the great work man! MrBuuAngry(BoG) Dinky TaoTheAssassin Talk Vlcs2010-05-25-13h35m05s40 00:07, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Hey, man. I gladly thank you for welcoming me here in the wiki. but there's something I need you to look into. Deeply. The fact that some pages and articles cannot be edited by just any of the contributors to this wiki. What if somebody has a piece of information he'd like to add. For example, if I manage to find a picture for Vegeta which fits to be the main pic of the page, How shall I put it? I invite you to look into this matter and thank you for your time and warm welcoming. ~~gogettossj174~~

guy edit warring

Plz halp. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:42, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Anytime my friend. Anything with Chun-Li, I'll be happy to help.


Do you have an email I can reach you at? We admins occasionally like to get together and discuss a topic offsite. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:52, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

  • Im afraid at the moment I only have an email address filled with spam that I don't think I can even remember the password to. I'll try and get a new one or clean that one up and then report back to you.Neffyarious (talk) 02:09, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Okay cool, thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:45, June 1, 2015 (UTC)

Aye buddy

You mind doing me a little favor of sorts? If you can, take the test at the link below and tell me what your result was. I'm gathering data to see which house is most predominant on the DB wiki, as well as what houses are most common among chatmods, admins, and frequent editors of the site as well. Sort of a little social project!

Thanks for considering, man! Dark Seeker Kotsu   05:34, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

  • Ok. Slytherin (88%).Neffyarious (talk) 09:35, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Hell yeah! Thanks man! :3

Results so far are here. Thanks again for taking part in it! Your result gave the sortings of the current/former admin group some diversity, as we now have at least one sorted in each house (Ravenclaw has two). Dark Seeker Kotsu   10:35, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

The Other Wiki

Hi Neffyarious. I noticed a comment you left on one of the other DB wikis, wishing them well and offering help. Obviously everyone here is free to do what they want elsewhere, since it doesn't affect us here. However, I was slightly concerned that you said you hoped this wiki becomes less popular, a secondary resource only. I don't think it befits an admin on a wiki to hope that it withers away and falls out of use. Is that really what you meant, or am I misunderstanding?

Does a user who leaves me a message including: ""And just like that, you're finished... you're too ignorant and proud to see your own flaws...You can't get anything right...Well, here's a little greeting from no-count. Your done. Finished. Your wiki will fail if it is the last thing I do...I hope you enjoyed Dragon Ball Wiki's popularity. Because from this point forward, you guys have a serious threat on your hands...enjoy the fall" really deserve a "nice job" comment at all? He's made it clear that he isn't just trying to make a good wiki, he's also out to destroy ours. This community has made over a million edits over 7 years, and he wants to wreck that out of spite for a block after personal attacks he made out of frustration. Heck, the first time I left him a warning about personal attacks, he indicated that he didn't care at all and would continue breaking our rules, which has nothing to do with canon. He blocked several users from this wiki on his new one, including myself, despite us never even editing. You and I disagree about the same issue, but you're an outstanding editor so we made you an admin. I'd be very disappointed if this user's stance on exactly one issue outweighs all of his other actions and all the great things we have here, and makes you leave this wiki behind. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:12, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

10x, I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I'll explain my stance. I get why "secondary resource" could be taken in the wrong context, but I don't want this wiki to wither and fall out of use at all. I see the two wikis; Dragon Ball Wiki and Dragon Universe Wiki as equals, both fulfilling a different but equally important job for coverage of this franchise. What I meant by having them as "primary" while we are "secondary" is kind of like comparing a Guidebook (them) and a Dictionary (us), they cover the primary material (the generally accepted "Toriyama canon" of Dragon Ball), while we cover the entirety of the franchise. Do you understand what I mean? I'm not saying our wiki is lesser than theirs.
I was unaware of most of the Ten Tailed Fox's actions that you just informed me of, and I agree that it is unacceptable, but I was complementing that wiki and it's user's work ethic on undertaking such a large project in general, not the attitude of Ten Tailed Fox.
What I want is for both Dragon Ball wikis to support each other, and be equally valuable resources. We can help each other out; they can use our information to help build their pages, and any users who are angry with how we treat canon on this wiki can be informed of their wiki (which utilizes what is generally thought of as canon), so there will be no more canon arguments on our site since our job is not to show what canon Dragon Ball is, it's to cover the entire franchise.
I don't plan on leaving this wiki anytime soon at all, and I'm not gonna jump ship to theirs, I'll try and help both wikis, and try to fix the problems that anyone on their wiki has with ours, and any problems anyone on our wiki has with theirs. I don't want these two wikis as rivals, I want them as allies.
I hope that explains everything. Neffyarious (talk) 08:10, June 17, 2015 (UTC)
"primary canon"

lel Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:47, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

The only difference between the wikis (in theory) is that their was purported to have a different stance on canon. The intended content is identical, except we have a differing opinion on what counts as official. There's no reason their site's ideals would make it any higher quality, more accurate, or more specialized than theirs. Just referring to the intended content, I would say that if we are a dictionary, then theirs would be a dictionary with most of the pages torn out. Useful if you are opposed to certain parts of the dictionary, but I'd argue you can just as easily ignore the parts you don't like from a full dictionary. As it turns out, they seem to have the approach of including everything including non-canon (like GT) in articles anyway, so the concepts are literally identical, minus the tagging of every entry as canon or non-canon according to their founder's opinion. Frankly, I think it's rather silly to make a new site just to add a word or two on each article, especially for a huge site like ours. Quality-wise, we are years ahead and have an existing community, but maybe they'll keep it up for years and attract a few hundred more editors some day; who knows.
In any case, I think it's nice that you want to help, and I'm sorry for hassling you. I'm used to angry people getting frustrated and harassing users, having to block them multiple times, them harassing me via other wikis, and even them threatening to and occasionally executing rival wikis. What made me uneasy was having one of our admins then turn around and complement that user with undertones of saying their new wiki is better. I'm glad your sticking around, and I appreciate how you always improve the site. Again, sorry for the hassle. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:03, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
I understand what you are saying, and there is no need to apologise for the "hassle", I would have done the same thing in your position. I was wondering though, do you agree that our two wikis should at least attempt to get along? I think it would be beneficial for both parties to do so.
Also, our wiki is opinionated on canon too, the reason I want to also help the DU wiki because I agree with their canon stance in that material by the author always comes first (from what I have seen, this seems to be the general view of DB fans these days). I had the same line of thinking about DB canon as you did (that most things could be treated as canon) until Minus and Resurrection F were released, and proved that Toriyama was only following his personal continuity and ingnoring works like the first thirteen movies, Shin Budokai, and Dragon Ball GT.
I also think it nescessary to note that I may not edit as frequently here since I just became the burecraut of the Ratchet & Clank wiki and I will need to focus primarily on that site. I will of course still assist with editing here as much as I can.Neffyarious (talk) 08:12, June 18, 2015 (UTC)
Congrats on the promotion! The thing about using the term "canon" is that it necessitates fans making assumptions about an official stance that doesn't exist. For things that happen at different times, like DBZ and GT, canon doesn't play a role in the articles because they happen at totally different times. The same is true of the new movies and GT; the events of GT haven't happened yet in those films so there is no conflict to resolve. It wouldn't be our job to resolve that conflict if it did exist, since as an unbiased encyclopedia we are committed to posting all relevant media info. Shin Budokai is a what-if, and the movies take place in another dimension, but as long as readers want info on those items then it is our duty to provide it for them. We should never let anything get in the way of providing info to the readers. That said, I think we do a good job of having the articles sectioned off into DB, DBZ, GT, the movies listed one by one, and the videos games all listed separately. If a reader wants to skip the GT section, it's incredibly easy for them to do so.
The wikis who do have an official canon to lean on (Star Wars, Sherlock Holmes) occasionally use the spoiler template to hide non-canon material, but that's the only time I think a canon affects an article; even then it's only a minor impact and only on formatting, never content. Other than that, it's just a reason for people to argue on talk pages. Admittedly, there is some usefulness, and that happens when we have to decide which event to put if there's more than one version. As far as that goes, dragon universe has adopted a nearly identical hierarchy to our own, the only difference being they have moved databooks up higher than anime. I think the only difference between the wikis at all will be their use of a canon banner on some articles, since they appear to be including GT content and I assume they will want to differentiate it somehow. Because of this, their wiki looks something like ours, but with a little more clutter and about a thousand times less (my actual guess) content so far. In my opinion, the effort of any good editors on their project would be better spent polishing our completed project rather than starting from scratch to build the same thing (plus banners).
In terms of getting along, I think you must know by now how objective I am. I value evidence and consistency, and while I recognize patterns of behavior and their likelihood of recurrence, I don't hold personal grudges. As far as that applies to other wikis, I'll help if asked but probably won't visit their site personally unless someone sends me links or something specific. There are many other older, more established Dragon Ball Wikis, each offering something unique, some more complete than others:
While I don't there is any good reason for anyone to go through the effort of creating another wiki that's the same as this one but with an added banner on a few sections, they're certainly welcome to give it a shot. We can't stop them from using our content, and they can't stop us from using theirs, so in my eyes I have no decisions to make concerning "getting along" or not. We will simply both continue to exist concurrently. You'll have to explain what you mean by getting along if there are actual actions you're referring to. From what I've seen, active relationships between wikis lack substance and have no benefits.

TL;DR - I don't see any value in their wiki, but yes we'll get along. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:39, June 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Also, seems I did not have to do anything. They unblocked you on Dragon Universe wiki and no longer wish any conflict. So thats good.Neffyarious (talk) 16:38, June 19, 2015 (UTC)
Saying that Shin Budokai is a what-if is speculation, it was never officially stated to be. My only real issues with this wiki is that we don't make it clear that the first thirteen DBZ movies take place in alternate dimensions, and that we treat DBM, BoG and RF as lower tier canon than DBGT for no proper reason.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:28, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

I believe Shin Budokai is a totally different version of the story, isn't it? The Films page quotes Toriyama as having stated the films take place in another dimension. For things like that where we have quotes, I think everyone agrees they should be posted. In terms of GT, it is 19 years older than these new films, and it was an entire series rather than just an hour or two. Also, up until less than a week ago, the films were just one shots with new villains and heroes that never showed up in a real TV series. With the new info that Beerus and Whis will be in DBS, things have changed, and we should evolve to meet that change. It seems logical to put these films at the same level as DBS, which would be the anime level. However, I think it would be best for us to actually wait until the series begins and confirms these news rumors and teaser trailers before we take action (lest we have an AF prank situation on our hands). Specifically comparing canon level to GT, it doesn't matter, since the series take place at different points in time. This will continue to be true unless DBS permanently kills all the Namekians and wipes out the Dragon Balls or something irreversible like that.

As for Dragon Ball Minus, it was an obvious promotional stunt and a huge inconsistent mess. Bardock: Father of Goku was created, then Toriyama recognized it officially by adding Bardock into the manga afterward. It's not clear at all which version of Bardock's life should be considered the most official: the one Toriyama references 20 years ago briefly, or the new one he created to advertise for a movie. This merits more discussion, but ultimately it's going to be up to reader preference to pick their favorite version, where conflicts exist. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 07:04, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Emperor's Death Beam Photo

Where did you find that high-quality image?

Emperor&#039;s Death Beam RF1

Gamewolf67 (talk) 00:37, June 30, 2015 (UTC)Gamewolf67

There are several uploads of Resurrection F on YouTube, I found it on one of them.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:21, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

edits on Frieza's family

I removed gender on their pages due to even Jaco (a Galactic Patrolman who is supposed to know quite a bit about aliens) doesn't know whether they have genders and in Xenoverse there isn't a gender selection. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 12:58, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

  • I see. Though this does not prove that they do not have genders, though at the same time we don't know if they do. Since we don't know we should probably just leave it as is for now. Since Frieza's race are called "he" and "him" it should just be left as male.Neffyarious (talk) 16:05, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
We should avoid speculation, though. If an in-universe character expresses doubt as whether they have genders, we should NOT specifically list them as "males" unless there's a source confirming that, but there isn't. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:28, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
DBCCG cards list the in-game Frieza's race members as "Male", while it does not list Namekians as any gender. So there is one source.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:34, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
OK here's a middle ground sort of. Since video games have a higher level of canon according to the Manual of Style, we could remove the gender but mention in their page that the DBCCG list them as being males. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:46, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Why? The video games never actually take any stance on whether or not they have genders (their being only male Frost Demons in Xeno could just been because we've never seen a female, not that they don't exist), so their is no need.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:50, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
It's speculation to say females exist, though, for that exact same reason. They aren't referred to as males in Xenoverse, actually. Or maybe Frieza race could be like that species of geckos where the males have been extincted and only females of that species still exist; and females of Frieza race have been extincted, but that's my fanon. Video games have a higher canon level, and the game says that it's unknown if they have genders, so my way follows the MoS. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:11, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Jaco says that he does not know if they have genders, but he does not know everything. Sure he's meant to know lots about races (according to you anyway), but he has been shown to be an incompetent patrolman so him being unaware of their genders means nothing (and even so, it's said that the Galactic Patrol stay away from Frieza, and Xenoverse also says there are few survivors of his race left, so the patrol may have simply no data on them). Since there are members of the race explicitly referred to as "male", there should also be females (plus Frieza's mother was mentioned... even if it was dub and video game only). It's not speculation to list a fact.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:24, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Jaco probably knows more than Chi-Chi about aliens, isn't that so? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:44, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Not necessarily, maybe she knows more about Frieza Race than Jaco, we don't know... not that it matters whether she does or not. (she uses a computer to get the info anyway, maybe she uses DB wiki...).--Neffyarious (talk) 17:54, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
I'm srsly. Be reasonable, I'm following the Manual of Style while you're being biased. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 18:03, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
I was serious. Other than her using DB wiki of course.Neffyarious (talk) 18:27, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Female Freezers don't even exist in anything else, so Xenoverse had nothing to base them on and left them out. Xenoverse does not count at all. — A (tc)

Fact is we don't even know if they exist at all. Jaco doesn't know their gender, so we shouldn't speculate. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 18:54, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Frieza's family are still called "Male" though, and nothing goes against this statement. Characters not knowing if there are genders does not contradict them being male.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:57, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Canon level of Manual of Style, bro. Video Games > Card games. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 19:10, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, but in this case there is no contradiction. If video games said "Frieza Race have no gender" and CCG said "Frieza Race have gender", then we would write that they have no gender. In this case we have "Frieza race might have gender" and "Frieza race have Gender", no contradiction/speculation with including gender in this case.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:17, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, we're almost there. In the video game, we have "Frieza race might have gender.....and we don't know which one" versus "Frieza is male" from CCG. So we should keep it ambiguous in the infobox due to Manual of Style and mention that the CCG says he is male somewhere else. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:14, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
I still don't see why. There is no contradiction, no need to change it. Video game source states that Frieza's race gender is unknown, another video game states there are males and females. In-plot Jaco does not know about Frieza's race gender, outside-plot Frieza is confirmed as male, no contradictions so no altercations necessary.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:20, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Movies as Canon

Hi Neffy. I wanted to bring this topic back up to let you know that some of our initial suspicions are now coming true. In particular, the new movies, new manga, and new anime are all playing out with slightly different events. Our format of listing all media types has a huge advantage in this situation, because we do not have to pick which version to use in our articles. We can list the movie events, anime events, and manga events, all of which were created with Toriyama's input, without forcing any fan-generated opinion of which matters most on the readers. If we only listed "canon" events, we would have to eliminate two of these now-inconsistent media sources as canon and omit it. No one is in a position to decide which of these three emerging versions matters most, and I'm glad we haven't back ourselves into a corner in this respect like other sites have done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:38, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes, I noticed this. It has of course made me change my views on what is canon and what is not... again. I guess I now agree that our site does in fact have the best method of dealing with canon, since it seems to continuously be altered.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:51, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Though of course I still maintain my position that the anime-only events, movies, and GT should be treated as happening in a different dimension/timeline, since it has been stated several times that they are not part of the main timeline's events.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:56, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

When were the anime and GT stated not to be a part of the main timeline's events several times? I have only ever heard Toriyama say the films are in a different dimension. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:20, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Toriyama said the films were in "different dimensions"; since Garlic Jr. and Cooler appear in the anime then the anime should take place in this dimension. Xenoverse called the events depicted in the first Bardock special, the Broly movies, and GT as happening in alternate timelines. Daizenshuu 6 listed some movies as happening in different timelines, and the anime features some events which cannot co-exist in anime/manga (like Cargo's death) - showing they happen in alternate timelines.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:32, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

That Garlic Jr. Logic is flawed. I could say the same thing about literally any character in movies and anime like Goku, Krillin, and Bulma. Xenoverse is a video game, why do you hold it higher than anime or movies? It had no input from Toriyama, whereas GT did. The films take place in another dimension, but we have no reason to believe this is true for the anime or GT. Since the new movies, manga, and anime all differ from each other, the obvious conclusion is that Toriyama doesn't care about things fitting together perfectly anyway. If you think inconsistencies means planned alternate timelines, then he must be crafting 3 alternate timelines right now, in addition to an alternate timeline for each of the many original manga inconsistencies. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:01, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Toriyama had about as much to do with Xenoverse as he did GT , some character designs and also overseeing production, so I treat it as equal to GT when looking at it for reference. Toriyama said that the movies take place in a different dimension from the manga, and since certain movie characters (Garlic/Cooler) are in the anime, this seems to show that anime and certain movies (Dead Zone/Cooler's Revenge) happen in the same dimension.Neffyarious (talk) 20:08, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Toriyama didn't do Xenoverse character designs, he was "aware and approved" of exactly two new characters they used in the game. I assume he is aware and approves of every video gane that comes out, since they stick his name on the licensing each time. For the movie characters, your argument is flawed. You say that any media with a character seen in a movie is in another dimension. But Goku is in movies. Krillin is in movies. Bulma is in movies. These characters are all in the manga so it follows from your argument that the manga is in another dimension from itself. Obviously there are characters that exist in multiple dimensions, like Trunks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:22, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Dimension =\= timeline, thank you very much. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:27, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

I mean't characters that debuted in movies which were stated as happening in "alternate dimensions", Cooler debuted in Cooler's Revenge (a movie said to be in a different dimension) while a character like Krillin debuted in a manga chapter (which are the main dimension). Your right, he didn't do character designs, just approved them, so he did do a bit more for GT than Xenoverse.--Neffyarious (talk) 20:31, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Oh okay, so characters that debuted in movies is different than debuted in manga, that's true. Someone like Bardock debuted in a movie, and appeared in the manga, but I still don't think that makes the manga into a different dimension from the manga like your argument suggests. I won't keep bugging you about it though. I honestly didn't come here to start up a debate or anything, I just wanted to point out that the 3 new versions of the Beerus media are happening differently, so I'm glad we didn't remake the site based around any one version of those in particular. And you're right, it's because the continuity is constantly changing and growing. If I had to pick one of the new 3 for a personal opinion, I'd say the manga since Toriyama is drawing the darn thing, and yet we recently saw an individual who so adamantly believed the movies would be the new top canon that he made a new website because of it. It's going to be hard to keep that movie-centric point of view going if you ask me. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:48, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Toyotarō is drawing the manga, not Toriyama, top lol. Toriyama is just writing the story. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 22:53, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
Good point. I still think the manga takes priority, since he's writing all of it. Toriyama wasn't the sole writer for the movies or the anime. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:58, July 5, 2015 (UTC)
You meant the manga Dragon Ball Super, right? Toriyama's writing the story, but he has as much authority on the manga as the anime. Toyotaro or the anime staff can change things if they want. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 23:06, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I mean the DBS manga. He is writing it, and therefore has the most influence on that media. He's not writing all the anime dialogue, so there's less input there. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:19, July 5, 2015 (UTC)


Can I ask you for something, please?--AlexHoskins (talk) 20:33, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

  • What do you need?Neffyarious (talk) 20:44, July 6, 2015 (UTC)


When you have time, could you send me the Godly Super Saiyan Goku.png photo in my message wall in Heroes Wiki? My computer has a virus and my iPad doesn't download photos. Sorry. :(--AlexHoskins (talk) 21:20, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Hey do you get my message?--AlexHoskins (talk) 21:19, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

  • Yup, why do you need me to send it to you though? You could just save it and then upload it on that wiki.Neffyarious (talk) 21:30, July 6, 2015 (UTC)


My iPad doesn't download photo and I have to wait till my computer is fixed. Sorry to hear that?--AlexHoskins (talk) 21:32, July 6, 2015 (UTC) iPad doesn't enable me to download PNG photos.--AlexHoskins (talk) 21:34, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

The photo is Godly Super Saiyan Goku.png. Could you send it right away? I like your work! :)--AlexHoskins (talk) 21:42, July 6, 2015 (UTC)


Where did you get the "Runaway" name? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 19:03, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

  • One of the people on Kanzenshuu who gets most of the DBH information, their name is "TheDevilsCorpse".Neffyarious (talk) 19:09, July 20, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, then it's legit. Ask him for the japanese name so we can add it here. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 19:11, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

I don't have an account. I didn't ask for it, I found the information. You have an account though so I guess you could ask.--Neffyarious (talk) 19:17, July 20, 2015 (UTC)


As you can see (more), Dragon Ball Heroes treats all his forms as the same character. Unlike Xeno Bardock, who has his own section, apart from the "original" Bardock. Bargeta (talk) 19:23, July 20, 2015 (UTC)

Timeline DBS

"It was recently reveled in this week’s issue of Weekly Shōnen Jump that the series will begin six months after Majin Buu’s defeat, placing it in November of Age 774 in the series’ established timeline."

The thing about Bulma's birthday may be simply an inconsistency, or Bulma simply wanted to make her birthday party later (rich people do that). Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:31, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Nice pages :D SSJGSS4 Raditz Jr. (talk) 04:31, July 27, 2015 (UTC)SSJGSS4 Raditz Jr.

Dragon Ball Heroes in Xeno Trunks Super Saiyan 2

Hey man, look in Talk:Dragon Ball Heroes over the Xeno Trunks Super Saiyan 2. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 15:03, July 30, 2015 (UTC)


Sorry about that stupid edit, I did to Champa's assistant. It won't happen again. (Grand Duchess Anastasia (talk) 03:45, August 4, 2015 (UTC))

Why did you delete my DBZ YouTubers Page —This unsigned comment was made by Chazzwt (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • It was not official information and so does not get a page. If you want I can bring it back as a blog, or you could remake it yourself as a blog.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:49, August 14, 2015 (UTC)
  • you make it as a blog.—This unsigned comment was made by Chazzwt (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
    • Done. Make sure to sign your posts with the siganture button in future.Neffyarious (talk) 05:25, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Dagon-Ralos (talk) 16:11, August 18, 2015 (UTC)Dagon-RalosDagon-Ralos (talk) 16:11, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

The movie Bio-Broly suggests that Broly's soul could inhabit the cloned body that became Bio-Broly because it is only after Bio-Broly is killed that Goku is informed that Broly is rampaging in Hell, otherwise there would have been multiple Broly's simultaneously, Bio-Broly on Earth and the real Broly in the afterlife. Goku says to Janemba that only Majin Buu made him use SSJ3 before, and he said that Fat Buu was the biggest ki he's ever felt before. Based on this, Goku would have defeated Broly at the end of Movie 11 with only Super Saiyan 2.

Plan to Eradicate the Super Saiyans also suggests that all the movies exist in one continuity because there are multiple movie villains and Broly is mentioned as well. So in addition to the manga continuity and the anime continuity(which includes Garlic Jr.) the movies have one cohesive continuity of their own that includes the movie villains and the series' villains together.

I hope you see the logic in this and add the appropriate information to Broly's wiki page. I see far too many bits of information trying to bloat Broly's power like using English dub lines to suggest Broly is stronger than Majin Buu. Engish dub lines should only be referenced in that they are incorrect because the only thing that matters to determining the original intent is the original language; Japanese. We might as well use French and Latin America dubs as well if this wiki is going to use lines from the English dub as a source for information.

Dagon-Ralos (talk)Dagon-RalosDagon-Ralos (talk) 16:11, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Dragon Ball wiki Brazil

Oh guy, look site you want visit the Dragon Ball Wiki Brazil please. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 14:30, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

  • I don't speak Brazillian.Neffyarious (talk) 04:39, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

I didn't

I didn't. I explained why you were you wrong multiple times, I even quoted EXACTLY what was said in the manga and yet you still undid my revision anyway without first checking to see if it were true.—This unsigned comment was made by 100x Big Bang Kamehameha (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Man! Finally someone i can talk to without feeling stupid!

Dogssmileatme (talk) 18:21, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea why i like DBZ... BUT I LOVE IT!!!!

Dogssmileatme (talk) 17:13, September 9, 2015 (UTC)

Is this fair?

So on one of the talk pages I quoted a few people to try and explain a general agreement. One of the admins 10x Kamehameha (after he banned me) started talking for me saying what I meant however he was completely wrong altogether.

Some other user named 10 x Big Bang Kamehameha then explained why he was wrong and he was 100% right. 

But then the admin started saying that be was being trolled and harassed when no, all the guy was doing was explaining why he come to the wrong conclusion on what I said.

He then banned him for this. Yeah, he banned that person just because he tried to explain to why he was wrong.

Is that fair? Is that part of site policy that you can't explain to people why they're wrong? You get banned for that here?

I don't care about my ban but you really let someone like him become an admin? He can just ban people just because they don't like being proven wrong?

What gives?—This unsigned comment was made by Omega-Cooler1 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • Huh, I have not seen this conversation, but it does sound like 10x Kamehameha was in the wrong going by what you said. I'll check up on it when I have time. In response to you asking why I allow him to be bureaucrat, 10x Kamehameha has been a good bureaucrat at times, and anyway it's not my choice as to who the bureaucrat on here is. If you and other users really wanted you could request for another bureaucrat to be added anyway.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:10, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
This guy has been banned about 10 times now by Anemicne and now myself for edit wars and now many sock puppets. Wow, thanks for the support man... saying I'm abusing power and suggesting they find a new bureaucrat without even investigating. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:04, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
That's not what I said 10x... I said I'll check up on it to see if it was true - not that I full on agreed that you were abusing power (I still haven't read the convo) - that you were a good bureaucrat at times, and that if they had a problem then they could always try requesting another bureaucrat to be added in. Please, stop taking things out of context.--Neffyarious (talk) 08:09, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry if I came on strong there, I just mean it would be nice for us to have each others' backs when a rule-breaking sock puppet shows up. We admins are obviously not always correct and we even disagree on a lot, but in general we all (you and I included) know what we're doing.

Here he is calling Goku20 a little bitch:

Here he is calling me a bitch and a crybaby:

And here he is explaining that he has made many sock puppets before and intends to keep breaking the rules forever:

-- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:23, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

It's fine, but try and keep in mind that I try and remain neutral until I know what is going on - so I would not say anything negative about you unless there was legitimate reason to, personal opinions of other users are of no importance to me. Of course, I would appreciate if you did not read into what I say the way you did just then, since making you look bad was not my intention. This is a wikia, I do not care for taking shots at other users, I just want to update material to the best possible standard.

Also, I was actually going to ban that sock myself but Anemicne got to him first. It's a shame we don't have a permanent way of banning someone like him.--Neffyarious (talk) 08:41, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

i remember when you blocked me 10X ages ago for the same behaviour i've changed since then but i think the next time that guy shows up show him my block   that should stop him. 0551E80Y (talk) 09:19, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

I know right? The guy got 2 blocks so far for edit wars and could come back and be welcomed. Instead he chooses to break as many rules as he can and lose all credibility. It's sad to see a new user implode like that. One thing we can try if needed is to get the IP address from a checkuser for each of his known accounts. If they're reasonably similar, we can do a range block. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:29, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Ascended Saiyan

Where did this term come from? The original FUNimation dub? Meshack (talk) 03:52, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

  • I think the term was utilized in the original Japanese version as well, and possibly the manga (though I can't remember). It was in the FUNi dub though, I remember checking up on it at a while back to see if it was official.Neffyarious (talk) 04:45, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

what about kai? was it mentioned there? I couldn't find anything --Meshack (talk) 04:47, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

  • I never checked Kai.Neffyarious (talk) 05:05, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

They never used the "Ascended Saiyan" term in the japanese anime or manga.  They constantrly referred to it as the "power beyond a Super Saiyan".  Which admittedly can be similar to Ascended but they never used it as proper noun or a title of the form.  Which is similar to Funimation not using it as a proper noun as they used the "Ascended Saiyan" term for Super Saiyan 2 as well for some reason.  I know this wiki prefers to use the english naming for most transformations, but the Viz manga and Funimation Dubs only further muddy the waters of some already murky information on transformations.  Especially when it involves a Super Saiyan form that doesn't have the word "Super" in it.  Stitchking1 (talk) 19:20, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

yeah that's why I changed it. Neffyarious, change it to Super Saiyan Grade 2 and Grade 3. Those are the official terms --Meshack (talk) 19:33, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

  • This wiki uses dub terms over most others (e.g. Goku over Son Goku, Frieza over Freeza), so it was wrong to change it.Neffyarious (talk) 03:31, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

but we want to stay accurate and using Ascended Saiyan is a script change. Ascended Saiyan is a dub only term, not used in the Japanese or any other dub. Why do you think it's not in Kai? Meshack (talk) 03:34, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

  • It does not matter,, we use dub terms, list the fact that it is a change in trivia if you want to. Also, do not undo my edits until the conversation is over.Neffyarious (talk) 03:37, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

This wiki isn't about dub terms. It's about giving Dragon Ball fans the most accurate information as simple and easy as possible. Calling it Ascended Saiyan is not accurate. If you want to use this, then there're other dub mistakes I'll add if you do continue to add Ascended Saiyan and Super Super Saiyan Meshack (talk) 03:43, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but they never actually gave the form a name in the Funimation dub.  They used the "ascended" term to describe just about anything that went beyond Super Saiyan including that particular transformation, Super Saiyan 2, Krillin called Super Saiyan 3 "double ascended" and Vegeta even said it as a Super Saiyan 4.  Ascended Saiyan is more of a description than a title.  To be honest I wouldn't even mind if it were called Ascended Super Saiyan again, but the "Ascended Saiyan" doesn't make sense.  In fact in Kai it is totally weeded out and referred to as beyond Super Saiyan.  Also, why change it now when the term had been taken out of circulation in Dragon Ball media years ago?  If you feel the need to use english anime titles then it should at least be the most current one, Beyond Super Saiyan.  Stitchking1 (talk) 12:16, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

it says names and techniques. Transformations aren't techniques Meshack (talk) 15:06, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Can I assume that this subject just got dropped?  Stitchking1 (talk) 14:57, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

And even though this conversation just got dumped, I think I should mention that a lot of other names need to be changed as well with the release of Dragon Ball Z Kai.  Chief among them being the Special Beam Cannon and Solar Flare.  You really need to watch Kai if you get the chance seeing how it should be considered the definitive version now.  Stitchking1 (talk) 15:45, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

  • We use the original English names most of the time, if we used updated names we would need to rename most techniques every time a new video game came out.Neffyarious (talk) 09:10, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

But you just did that with this page as well as Super Super Saiyan didn't you? They had some long lasting titles that a good portion of the community was content with and then they were changed to something else.  To be honest I don't really understand how this wiki operates sometimes.  The naming conventions especially since it caters to the english titles even when they're incorrect or if the names don't make sense.  Stitchking1 (talk) 09:57, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

  • The previous titles used on Ascended Saiyan and Super Super Saiyan were lower tier on the MoS, so the pages' titles should have been changed long ago. In that case they were not changed because a new name became available, they were changed because a name more suitable to the MoS was found.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:01, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

That should have been your first response then instead of going saying it was in the japanese version.  I'm obviously out of my weight-class messing with an admin and all but I still think that there are far too many errors with the english version for it to be depended on as the base for information on this wiki.  If you want accuracy to the actual source material you should be depending the japanese manga first and foremost.  Otherwise you'll be running around trying to fill up plot holes.  Stitchking1 (talk) 10:20, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

  • I did not contribute to the rule that use English dub names first and foremost, it's been around since before I was on this wiki, so I can't really comment on it's usage here. I do know that the reason we use the names is that we are an English speaking wiki, so people who come onto this wiki will probably know the English terms better than the Japanese ones (e.g. spelling Frieza/Freeza with an i and e instead of two e). So it's actually for ease of use.Neffyarious (talk) 10:38, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

That's fine for spelling differences but what about Cell's DNA or Dr. Gero being the leader of the Red Ribbon Army. And the Super Saiyan names chosen are an example of breaking off of format. All other Super Saiyan names come from the original Japanese versions except for two of them. Minus spelling of course. Should ease of use be used to justify incorrect information?Stitchking1 (talk) 11:14, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

  • When it comes to dub only information, that should still be mentioned but treated as secondary. Gero was referenced as effecticley being the leader by Toriyama so that's fine to stay, Cell's extra DNA can be mentioned but stated as being dub only.Neffyarious (talk) 11:53, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

My first question is when did Toriyama say that?  The thing is that when dub changes effectively change story elements and create even greater confusion somethings should be taken into consideration.  The spellings of names aren't really a big issue, its when new information comes out of nowhere and is considered fact.  Super Super Saiyan as well as Ascended Saiyan are not terms used in the Japanese versions so why is there Katakana characters and Japanese pronunciations for them?  At the very least it should have the Japanese name in the info box under the page imaage.  Instead of being lumped in the also known as section like it's a throw away term  Also, stuff like Hirudegarn doesn't become solid due to intense emotion.  He becomes solid when he attacks.  That is just outright changing a story element.  Of course stuff like that is all on Funimation.  Which is also probably why they changed their dialogue choices for Kai because of blunders like that.  I don't want to rag on you guys all the time because honestly you guys do a great job running this wiki.  There are just things that tend to irk me every once in a while that I don't agree with.  Stitchking1 (talk) 12:49, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

  • Toriyama said that in one of the Android Saga Full Color Dragon Ball interviews, you can find them in the Translations section of Kanzenshuu. If you want to add the proper katakana characters and Japanese pronounciation for those articles then go ahead. Things like Hirudegarn's weakness are mentioned as "dub only".Neffyarious (talk) 13:17, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

That's something I honestly didn't know.  As for the infobox I'll change it later.  Please don't take my griping me be negative about this wiki or the work you've done on it.  Stitchking1 (talk) 13:28, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

Super Saiyan

Oh guy, a question the Dragon Ball Super Episode 9 because Videl turned into Super Saiyan do you know. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 12:40, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

  • She turned into a Super Saiyan-like form - whether it was Super Saiyan or not is not confirmed, but judging by how it happend it probably was.Neffyarious (talk) 12:55, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
  • Then I saw but the Super Saiyan Videl is official or not. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 13:43, September 14, 2015 (UTC)
    • Its is official since it was in Dragon Ball Super.Neffyarious (talk) 13:53, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Source of Information

Where did you Get the Information about Pure Golden Frieza? If you have any source,will you pass them?


(YonedgeHp (talk) 22:57, September 16, 2015 (UTC))

  • I found it here: It's a site for special Dragon Ball Super merchandise. In Frieza's own words it describes "Pure Gold Frieza" being the result of Frieza over training and obtaining a completely golden form.--Neffyarious (talk) 08:28, September 17, 2015 (UTC)

saga infobox

on the battle of gods saga page and the resurrection f page, it saying smw:off smw:on6 on it. Can you fix that? --Meshack (talk) 12:36, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

  • I'm afraid im not very good with the saga infoboxes. I don't know how to fix it.Neffyarious (talk) 12:40, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Give me a grade in english that I have to have to edit a source and if I don't think I am good enough how do I get my important trivia on there should I get someone to do it for me 

And wheres the rank list and awards for dragon ball wiki to show your number 1 the word admin isn't enough 

How is necko Majin canon I heard it was a parody manga 

What made you dislike dragon ball at all for any time period I want to know 

write some good things with history of the series 

Is anything made by toriyama canon to you even parody manga

BTW I'm getting you interviewed with dragon ball youtubers. So you can talk about the complicated past with the series.—This unsigned comment was made by Chazzwt (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

We don't have a rank list on this wiki I'm afraid. I don't know what is canon to Dragon Ball - though recently I think I may have worked out a good continuity - I'm not sure if Nekomajin is canon or not - but it was created by Toriyama. I disliked Dragon Ball when I was a kid, because the Budokai game frustrated me and I thought Goku looked stupid, so I had no interest in the series.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:25, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Dabra infobox pic

The picture you're using is from a video game. Don't change it. Plus no other admin on this wikia has said anything about it. Meshack (talk) 09:29, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

  • I talked with 10X Kamehameha, it's better to use that image even if it is from a video game.Neffyarious (talk) 09:32, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

volume f

could you link me where volume f was translated fully or you don't know where? Meshack (talk) 10:12, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

  • I'm afraid I can't.Neffyarious (talk) 10:14, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Frieza Force

please can you change the page name to Frieza Force? Meshack (talk) 02:58, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 4 Xeno Trunks color hair

Oh Neffyarious, will you expect to announce the Super Saiyan 4 Xeno Trunks in Dragon Ball Heroes and when will the color hair Xeno Trunks Super Saiyan 4 will be purple or black? Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 14:00, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

  • I have no idea if they will announce SS4 Xeno Trunks. If he did appear his hair would probably be purple, since each SS4 has their own hair color.
  • Does hair Xeno Trunks Super Saiyan 4 would be the purple color. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 14:06, September 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't know for certain.Neffyarious (talk) 14:08, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


we need to get rid of the Galactic Frieza Army category and have it as Frieza Force. Meshack (talk) 15:02, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

  • I know, I'll get round to it later.Neffyarious (talk) 15:03, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 Rumors

Oh Neffyarious, looks to the supposed leaked online Sragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 see: Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 21:33, September 27, 2015 (UTC)

  • That's cool, It would be good if it were true.Neffyarious (talk) 10:08, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Sagas in anime series values

Savage Killa found out how to fix the sagas pages. HappyDragon put the in anime values 5 but there are only 4 series. We need to change the values to 4 so it would fix the Battle of Gods Saga's page Resurrection ‘F’ Saga's , and Sixth Universe Saga's page.—This unsigned comment was made by Meshack (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

  • Ok, but i'm not sure how to do that...--Neffyarious (talk) 03:20, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

I Found a mistake in Mr Satan's Page. In The Battle Of Gods Section there is a spelling mistake instead of is ready it says isready



The Mando Kobyashi interview in 2013 says "Tien has no interest in romance" so he and Launch did not get together, but they do stay friends, and Launch does visit sometimes. Yamchas struggle clip 3 1UnderwolfYamchaColored 010 yamcha 001 by vicdbz-d3bbj03 19:36, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

  • The Toriyama interview in Dragon Ball Forever says that Tien shrugged off Launch, but she persisted and in the end they got together.Neffyarious (talk) 09:46, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • He says "Could that be it, maybe" in the forever Interview leaving it vageu, and not really giving an answer. While the newer interview in 2013 says they didn't get together, but remain friends. Yamchas struggle clip 3 1UnderwolfYamchaColored 010 yamcha 001 by vicdbz-d3bbj03 16:57, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • I guess your right, but we'll still need to mention that they "possibly" ended up together on the page.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:05, October 23, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sure, should you do it, or should I? Yamchas struggle clip 3 1UnderwolfYamchaColored 010 yamcha 001 by vicdbz-d3bbj03 10:11, October 23, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'll take care of it if you want, if there are any further issues it can be alteredNeffyarious (talk) 10:16, October 23, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sounds good for now. Yamchas struggle clip 3 1UnderwolfYamchaColored 010 yamcha 001 by vicdbz-d3bbj03 10:18, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Great Ape Broly or Golden Great Ape Broly

By avoiding any edit warring, I just added this topic on Broly's talkpage and let's get an agreement before deciding whether to keep context or remove. Bardock ssj2 (talk) 13:09, October 22, 2015 (UTC)


where did those two names come from? kanzenshuu didn't report on it Meshack (talk) 20:11, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

As for the inclusion of Dragonball Heroes on the Saga template, this has been raised on the talk page for that template before. There is no official application of the term sagas in conjunction with Victory Mission at all. I am removing them from the template again. If you would like to contest this, please do so on the talk page.--Cadellin (talk) 20:42, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Response to Meshack: They are apparently from V-Jump, I've noticed people on Kanzenshuu talk about them (they always use the names "Beerus Saga" and "Golden Frieza Saga" over there), also DBH uses them. The names are defintley official in some form, and fit the Saga naming scheme better than BoG Saga and RF Saga.

Response to Cadellin: If you want it removed then use the talk page, until then it stays on the page, that is how it works.

--Neffyarious (talk) 08:56, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

okay Meshack (talk) 19:49, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Sure, I have voiced some opinions on the talk page :) --Cadellin (talk) 16:08, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Your points are valid enough, go ahead and remove the VM part.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:17, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

i looked and looked and Heroes and Kanzenshuu don't use those terms. will you please stop changing the names? thank you Meshack (talk) 17:52, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
I'm certain V-Jump at one point mentions the "Golden Frieza Saga from Dragon Ball Super".--Neffyarious (talk) 02:36, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I don't think Burst Kamehameha and God Kamehameha are the same, they are used completely differently, how do I request a change it doesn't look right. Unless I'm wrong, but God Kamehameha looks like super kamehameha and the picture is wrong, he didn't even use Burst kamehameha at the end.

TheCreepy904 (talk) 13:41, November 2, 2015 (UTC)

The picture is of God Kamehameha, do you want a separate page for Burst Kamehameha made?--Neffyarious (talk) 13:47, November 2, 2015 (UTC)


Don't think I don't know you stole my art you piece of shit. Asuma 000 (talk) 11:54, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

  • What do you mean?--Neffyarious (talk) 12:26, November 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Oh wait, do you mean the profile image, that's yours I guess? I can change it if you want.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:28, November 5, 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm not telling you what you're stealing. Just know that I know you've stolen my art. I want you to put one and one together. Don't think you're slick. I know you're stealing by reading your contributions and activity. Perhaps ask your accomplice Sandubadear. I'm glad you didn't have the temarity of lying. Now stop stealing, period - Asuma 000 (talk) 04:22, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Wait what. I'm just passing by the wiki (that I barely edit nowadays) and see my name. Idk what we stole lol. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 04:42, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
Only thing in my profile that's possibly stolen is this art. Are you the guy who made it? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 04:50, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

I've only uploaded official images. Asuma, tell us what the problem is and we will try to rectify if, or continue to be cryptic and I'll just assume your a troll.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:34, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Vegeta Super Saiyan 3

Hey man I'm have question, will the Vegeta will turn into Super Saiyan 3 in Dragon Ball Super. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 15:50, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

I don't know. However, since he is about to achieve Super Saiyan God SS he most probably will not, as he will have no need for the form.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:51, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

So to achieve to Super Saiyan God SS hair color is green-blue. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 16:23, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

  • The hair color of the form is blue, and it looks like Vegeta gets it in DBS episode 20.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:25, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Super of Ginyu

Where'd you get the image? Meshack (talk) 02:30, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

  • Kanzenshuu forums, would you like a link to them? I get most of my info there.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:35, November 15, 2015 (UTC)
yeah sure Meshack (talk) 02:36, November 15, 2015 (UTC), here ya go. I got the Ginyu pic from the episode 19 forum.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:45, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

thanks! also, tyman(randomnumbers) is adding information that's already on the page and keeps adding it. Meshack (talk) 02:50, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Yeh, I noticed, I'll talk to him.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:59, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Portable Infoboxes and Why They Are Important

Please join your community on this thread. Portable Infoboxes  Your input is very important. Pinkachu@fandom (talk) 02:29, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

Character Images

I don't know if you noticed but instead of the character infobox image that character's page has, when it shows a character in like the categories or related pages, it shows the first image on the page rather than the infobox one How is this fixed? Meshack (talk) 23:02, November 18, 2015 (UTC)

  • That is weird, I've never heard of this problem before so I'm not entirely sure how to fix it. I'll have a look and see if I can work it out, and if not I'll see if 10x knows what to do.--Neffyarious (talk) 14:43, November 19, 2015 (UTC)

I had a look but cannot seem to work out how to fix it. I think that this problem may be the result of the inbox update we got a while back though.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:43, November 22, 2015 (UTC)

Just one question, administration...?

How come I got blocked for helping this site out so many f time while he is still free after such a violation of ur community's rules? And BTW there's those "meshak" and "goku20" guys who alongside this guy ruin this site by removing every piece of info if it comes from me.--ZACKLIN-ZERAH-ZONA (talk) 10:30, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

  • DXRD, blocked editors' edits will almost always be removed even if they are legitimate. Why? Because you are a blocked user and are not allowed to edit. You should not have gotten yourself blocked if you did not want this to happen.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:27, December 7, 2015 (UTC)


The user Tyman1102 will not stop making edits that don't make sense and keeps defying what I tell him. I told him several times that what he is doing editing is not correct but he still insists on making the edits. Meshack (talk) 02:25, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

Why did you delete the Ultimate Uncut article? They were official DVDs before the Orange Bricks came along. IAmMaxB (talk) 23:00, December 9, 2015 (UTC)

Did you also delete the Level Bluray article? IAmMaxB (talk) 01:01, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Majin Buu

why so many majin buu pages? a innocent buu and good buu? what's going on? Nikon23 08:16, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

  • We decided that since Good Buu is a separate entity from Innocent Buu (like Evil Buu) they need to be split.--Neffyarious (talk) 08:17, December 15, 2015 (UTC)
  • who's we? you people just love causing confusion Nikon23 08:26, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 3 Adult Gohan

Hey Neffyarious, there is the official Adult Gohan Super Saiyan 3 in Dragon Ball Heroes. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 17:10, December 16, 2015 (UTC)


I think we should be able to add videos from YouTube to the Video section. Only getting Dragon Ball videos from the Library cannot bring out the Dragon Ball information we need to give the fans. Meshack (talk) 04:08, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

  • I dunno really, I guess that makes sense, you've asked 10x so we'll see what he says.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:58, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
i already did but he doesn't get on much. Meshack (talk) 04:59, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yeh I know, but he's the head of the wiki so any important changes need to be overseen by him.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:08, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

just wondering, who's the founder? Meshack (talk) 05:16, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
To be honest I don't know. I know that it's not 10x though (he's just the current head, and has been for a long time), and that the wiki was formed around 2005. Some of the longstanding admins like PrinceZarbon may know who the founder is.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:24, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Had a quick look though some old parts of the wiki, it might be this guy, but I dunno.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:30, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Champa's Warriors' Names

There's a guy on Twitter that revealed names for Champa's warriors but there isn't any confirmation. Do you want to use them or wait until there's a confirmation? Meshack (talk) 06:09, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

  • Seems legit, but best we wait until the event that all the information is coming from is over to ensure we don't make a mistake.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:44, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
it seems legit apparently Meshack (talk) 15:52, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

I suppose we can add them. Even ff they turn out to be false we can simply quickly remove them.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:57, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


Hey Neffy User:S8413275 is edit warring and I have already went to 10X with it but he is inactive and I need this taken care of now she has also called me an ass, annoying, and a hypocrite. She continues to edit war even though a discussion about her edit is going on, on the Filler talk page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:36,12/22/2015 

Well we can talk about how you're trying to antagonize me, I think he went to my contributions just to undo my edit on the page Monster Beast Giran, which I put the english cast first to stay consistent with the pages before and after that one. Because first of all why would he be on that page, out of all the 300+ episodes in the DB series, why would it be the ONE page I edited. And I see I'm not the only one who has had problems with this guy. And he said he hates me and doesn't care if I leave and never come back, which is worst than what I said. s8413275 (talk) 11:41, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

No what I said ain't since I didn't call you a name, also who cares about the others who had problems with me some of them are gone others are not. You wasn't staying consistent with other pages also I am trying to antagonize anyone. Neffy just because she found out about the other's who have had a problem with me she isn't going to stop editing the filler page while a discussion is going on or any other page that becomes an edit war area because she thinks she is right.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:49,12/22/2015 
That's your opinion. In my opinion it was worse. And I just looked around 10x kamehamehas page to see if he knew what he was talking about and sure enough this guy was reported multiple times, so I assumed he just undoes everything at first glimpse without reading the whole edit, which it seems he does. And he even said he's gonna leave and never come back, when he got accused, yet he's still here.. He's trying to cyberbully me, and make sure I have no edits...

No I am not trying to cyberbully you and make sure you have no edits if I was I would have undone every edit you made since joining which I have not done. No I don't undo everything at first glimpse most of the stuff I undo either is wrong like or the person is edit warring or I don't agree with the edit I think you need to learn that their are multiple reasons why. Here is the reason why I undone you Filler page edit because you are the only who has a problem with it. Now your Monster Beast Giran edit because you claim to be making it consistent with all the other pages when your not. I am done with you on Admin talk pages I will only be talking to the admins now.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  12:05,12/22/2015 

You know what Neffy don't worry about it I will 10X deal with it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  12:37,12/22/2015 

Sorry, I've been busy and unable to contribute. It's good that 10x is taking care of the problem though.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:42, December 23, 2015 (UTC)


This user is adding information that already on the page in the alt name section in the character infobox. Every time i undo it, he adds it right back. Meshack (talk) 21:56, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

I got you message. I'm going to analyze stuff on DB Super on new stuff. But the thing is, I'm going to wait till Champa is introduced. The thing is that we barely are finished with the Resurrection Arc. Will my page be suspended if I'm inactive?

Devinisking789 (talk) 01:47, January 3, 2016 (UTC)Devinisking789

Neffyarious, WHY did you delete the Ultimate Uncut Special Edition article? It seemed legit enough --IAmMaxB (talk) 00:26, January 5, 2016 (UTC)


Look at the Nightmarish Transformation and Devilish Transformation talk pages Meshack (talk) 03:43, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

also, move devilish transformation to monster form Meshack (talk) 15:42, January 27, 2016 (UTC)


Will you please look into the tuffle king and don don bird situation? Meshack (talk) 02:34, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

news flash!  I know english names are used here, the page was called tuffle king at first and I changed it when I gave my proof with the picture taken from dragon ball gt season 1 on disc 4 in the subtitles Nikon23 21:18, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

GT Gohan SSJ3 in Dragon Ball Heroes

Hey Neffyarious, see this message about the GT Gohan SSJ3 see the Talk:Dragon Ball Heroes: Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 13:46, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

GT Gohan does not yet have SS3 in DBH.--Neffyarious (talk) 07:47, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

Edit War

It is happening an edit war on Bulma's article, now extended due to an uninvited third person when everything had apparently already ended hours before. An issue which should not even exist since the photo shows clearly a young Bulma, the same from Jaco, the Galactic Patrolman manga. You can also get a confirmation on Kanzenshuu (if necessary). Bargeta (talk) 08:40, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

No the issue should exist since you deicide not to follow site policy which is the only reason I undone your edit now if use the section on Bulma's talk page that I created and no one reply's within a week then that means you can re-add your edit. Also Neffy I have went to 10X on this matter since Bargeta deicide to continue not to follow site policy.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  09:14,2/7/2016 
Edit Warring only occurs when a user has undoing revisions 3 times,i only undo 2 times so is not a edit war,You decided to not follow the site policy since is unknown if is Bulma or Bra,thats why there a disccusion page,and i recomend you to not treat a user as a univinted person since this is a wikia that any user can edit,your not the only user to have the rigths to edit.  {{SUBST:Plantilla:SUBST:Firma/YonedgeHp}} 16:54, February 7, 2016 (UTC)

who is founder hereSuperhik72 (talk) 10:56, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

  • I don't know, you'll need to as one of the older admins.--Neffyarious (talk) 14:44, February 11, 2016 (UTC)


Would you please add the comment section instead of the talk page? Th talk page is for the old Wikia and the comment section is for the new Wikia. Thanks Meshack (talk) 22:50, February 13, 2016 (UTC)

Switching over to comments would be a big change (and I believe you lose all talk pages on articles but I'll double check on that)... I would consult the community before such a change but personally, I enjoy the talk pages as I find they are more "constructive" with improving articles/questions. Comments generally are more for "ya I like this character". Just my two cents. We'll see what the admins say about it :-) --Riptoze 23:43, February 13, 2016 (UTC)

Yeh, this is a big decision. You will need to talk to the entire community about it, not just me.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:51, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

This is not a new vs. old issue, it is a matter of purpose. The talk page is a fantastic place to discuss how to make the articles the best they can be, even when complex or lengthy discussion is required to do so. The comment section removes our ability to communicate behind the scenes about article formatting since it shows up along with the article, and is going to intertwine social commentary and "Goku rocks!" "Frieza is a dork" "I just ate some spaghetti and it made me sick and I have a dog" with our productive discussion. Those comments can currently reside in chat, forums, blogs, and userspace without destroying our ability to maintain articles. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:04, February 14, 2016 (UTC)
i was joking about the new vs. old thing. i thought it was a cool thing like i see it on other wikis Meshack (talk) 04:05, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Planet Salad

Will you please change Planet Sadal back to Planet Salad? The manga calls the planet Salad but the anime calls it Sadal. Since the manga named it first, we should call the planet Salad. This is also similar to the ssgss and super saiyan blue situation so we just kept it ssgss. Silver was too quick and just changed everything Meshack (talk) 21:38, February 21, 2016 (UTC)

MoS convention is to use anime names for the article title, but list all alternate names in the infobox. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:46, February 23, 2016 (UTC)

okay, why are episode titles precedent over guidebooks especially the japanese guidebooks? the japanese guidebooks are the official source. and the manga/anime thing is in regards to the dub vs viz manga so that doesn't apply here Meshack (talk) 04:46, February 24, 2016 (UTC)

The majority of our readers recognize episode titles from English sources, because our readers of this English website read English. Using Japanese titles for articles doesn't make sense. It's good info to include in the article infobox, but a bad way to navigate with an English audience. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:38, February 26, 2016 (UTC)


Do we style the pages based on canonocity? Meshack (talk) 05:49, February 26, 2016 (UTC)

  • Yes.--Neffyarious (talk) 11:32, February 26, 2016 (UTC)


o you not think this is confusing to the viewer trying to distinguish DB Super and the movies? Meshack (talk) 05:39, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

  • It's the same as keeping the manga and anime in the same section. Plus we already decided to put the sections together.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:46, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
No it is not the same. I would find it confusing if I was not on here. Doing this, you would have to combine the Super anime, Super manga, movies, and movie adaptations. That's too much information to combine Meshack (talk) 05:48, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Not really, the differences are quite minor, just like the manga and anime.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:49, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

I don't agree and it has been said before that if everyone doesn't agree, the changes must not be done. Tthe changes aren't that minor... Piccolo dies in Super, he doesn't in the movie. Gohan asks Piccolo to train him but he doesn't ask in the movie (pretty major). Tagoma switches bodies with Ginyu. Vegeta kills Ginyu (major because Ginyu is presumably alive in the movie version). Tagoma dies earlier in the movie but in the arc he lives (major). Beerus reveals in BoG there're 12 universes but that's explained in the GoDC arc of Super (major) Meshack (talk) 05:53, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

10X already started making the change to the articles a while back, so the conversation must have ended. The only really significant change is Piccolo dying, the rest are pretty minor, with the Ginyu/Tagoma thing just being a way of drawing out the 1,000 soldier fight.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:58, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

It's a major change TO DRAW OUT the fight. Another change is Mai and Trunks. Their relationship collides both the Pilaf Gang and Goku and co. That's why they show up at the tournament in the manga. Meshack (talk) 06:01, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
  • Fights are always drawn out from manga to anime, with some people getting involved in the anime that didn't in the manga (the Frieza and Kid Buu fights are good examples). The Pilaf Gang showing up at the tournament is also pretty minor, since they clearly won't be doing anything important.--Neffyarious (talk) 12:09, March 8, 2016 (UTC)


Will you protect the Universe 6 warriors' pages? Meshack (talk) 05:58, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

  • All of them? Why?--Neffyarious (talk) 05:59, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Nevermind Meshack (talk) 06:02, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Game Remastered

Hey Neffyarious, I have question, the Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3 Remastered will have to PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, Xbox One and PC via Steam it will be released this year look this site: Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 13:34, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Oh Alex, you have not explained the message look see site:—This unsigned comment was made by BabyKratosxZeus (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

That's a fan petition, so it's not official. I also don't really care about that game so I won't sign it.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:59, March 26, 2016 (UTC)


Again, where didnyou get the description of Chou Super Saiyan from? In the summary, as far as I'm aware of, the description you are giving is not the case. Meshack (talk) 14:53, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Vegeta is a Saiyan beyond God, and his Super Saiyan form is given the name "Chou Super Saiyan" in the summary. Toriyama mentioned that training the user's base (into SbG) and Super Saiyan (into CSS) would be better than other forms. From what we've seen and heard CSS is like SSFP but to a greater degree.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:14, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Where was that said in the summary? Meshack (talk) 15:16, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Only the name was. You just need to watch and put two and two together. Saiyan who is "beyond God" goes SS = CSS from what we've seen.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:19, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Why wan't it said about Goku then? Meshack (talk) 15:21, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

I don't know. This case is similar to Super Saiyan Full Power, it was never stated anywhere that Gohan used the SSFP form, only Goku - yet we still list it for Gohan too. Same with Goku and Vegeta and CSS. Both SSFP and CSS were only mentioned once in supplementary material, and both are simply referred to as Super Saiyan in-universe.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:24, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Alright, if it's not mentioned a guideboo later on, it's gettin removed. Meshack (talk) 15:29, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Perhaps.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:31, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon BallGang

Di you think we combine Dragon Ball Gang and Z Fighters? There's a discussion here Meshack (talk) 15:32, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

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