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What happened to this?
This here, Demigra Assault Saga. We had two opening that showed a bit of it and then...nothing. Is this still going on? Is this even a saga? Because nothing has really been done with it for months and the openings have gone a whole different route away from it.Bullza (talk) 03:59, January 27, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah it's a saga in the game. It's continuing in March apparently. --Neffyarious (talk) 12:10, January 27, 2019 (UTC)
- Oh alright, maybe that's why Goku: Xeno hasn't been shown for this Universal Conflict Saga then.Bullza (talk) 15:53, January 27, 2019 (UTC)
- So is this stuff coming out about Mechikabura's return and his Dark King transformation and what not, also a part of this Demigra Assault Saga? It's not another yet saga is it?Bullza (talk) 11:55, January 31, 2019 (UTC)
Major Grenade Man
Hi, I've added to the talk page of the Broly BR page, but I just wanted to mention here too that DragonEmeperor keeps reverting my changes (specifically, removing the section about Broly:BR in the intro as it's false information that is uncited, and adding that Broly is a former Frieza Force member as he does not remain one by the end of the movie).
I currently live in Japan and I can very much confirm that the BR tag is only used in Dragon Ball Heroes to refer to characters from the Broly movie - it's not a specific reference to this current version of Broly, at all (as you've stated in the talk page yourself).
He has also deleted some of my posts in the talk page which did not agree with his stance on the "BR" tag.
I've tried a few times to sort this but it's clear he is not going to give up. As an admin, is there anything you can do?
- If your edit on a page is disputed then you should bring it to the talk page, with the page itself staying as it until the discussion is done. Dragon should be replying when reverting to edits though, so I'll message him about that. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:47, January 30, 2019 (UTC)
- I have brought it to the talk page, but Dragon deleted my post on the talk page about it. That's why I messaged you privately.
- I've re-added my contribution to the talk page under the (BR) segment, and I also replied to you. He has not yet removed those, but he has kept adding the sentence which is uncited. AFAIK, if the citation is no longer working, the segment should be removed.
- (Also, it's factually wrong, but even ignoring the dispute over that, it is uncited and therefore conjecture under wiki protocols).
I'll message him about the talk page. However Broly: BR should not be removed until proper discussion has been had on the matter, if something has been on a page for a while and one user think it's wrong while another thinks it's right, discussion must be had before action is taken (unless something is clear vandalism). --Neffyarious (talk) 20:26, January 31, 2019 (UTC)
- It's already been decided in the talk page to change the name of the page - it just hasn't been implemented yet. However, this isn't a dispute about right and wrong: he's placing uncited conjecture on the page. It's not a dispute or a difference of opinion - it's blatant fact which I've provided evidence of, and which Dragon cannot dispute with any form of evidence.
- I appreciate the sensitivity of such issues where difference of opinion is a problem on wiki, however this particular instance is not an example of such. The additions are conjecture and I've presented proof to contradict it (hell, even the "new citation" he found disproves his conjecture).
- The only way to definitively end this is for admins to review the citation and come to a final conclusion on the issue of whether Japanese media refers to Broly as "Broly: BR" to differentiate him from non-canon Broly (which, again, it doesn't - as I've stated and as you can see in the citation he's posted - the BR tag is exclusively used by Dragon Ball Heroes to differentiaite Broly Movie Promo Cards for the player. That's it. I actually own several BR Goku cards and a BR Frieza card myself, because I play the game frequently.
- Can admins please review the evidence and stop this farce asap, because I really can't stand conjecture, especially when it's proven false.
I understand, but please be patient as back and forth edits are considered edit warring. Since the conclusion of the discussion is to change the pages name, the changes can all be done at once. Broly: BR has been the name we used to differentiate up until now - since the title is used for DBS Broly and never DBZ Broly (it's also used in the DBSCG so that's why it says "some media" rather than just "Heroes") As soon as the pages' name has changed the part about Broly: BR being an alternate name can be removed. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:34, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
- Alright, that's fair enough - I edited it just before checking this page, but I'll drop it for now. The title is used for DBS Broly because he's the only Broly that appears in the Broly movie - but that's all. It's still not used to differentiate him from the DBZ Broly. If he'd appeared in the anime prior, and had already had cards made, it wouldn't say BR (and if he appears in the future, it won't say BR, either).
- As you can appreciate, my primary concern is the accuracy of the information on this wiki and conjecture is the first step toward a really low quality wiki site. Hence my focus on this specific issue. LordSchmee (talk) 04:34, February 2, 2019 (UTC)
Some Jerk is Vandalising Pages
Here's the link to his page. https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Death_Trooper_Specialist_Elite_Commander Just check his contributions to find out. ExyleCage (talk) 01:51, February 4, 2019 (UTC)
He was also insulting me and vandalize my user page.   He's also calling Hulk10 an idiot and threating the both of us.  Here's the pic he used to harass me DragonEmeperor (talk) 02:16, February 4, 2019 (UTC)
Future Gohan’s and Future Trunks’s siblings only in the present timeline
Hey I’d like to ask if i’m allowed to put Goten as Future Gohan’s brother (present timeline) in the relative section of Future Gohan’s infobox. And the same thing for Bulla as Future Trunks’s sister (present timeline) in Future Trunks’s relative section. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 09:19, February 4, 2019 (UTC))
Hey there is no mention of Christianity or Buddhism in the Dragon Ball lore.
I continue to remove this information regarding religions at the page Guardian#List of Guardians and the user: DragonEmeperor continues to revert my edit. They give no proof that the two religions mentioned is in the original Daizenshuu 7: Dragon Ball Encyclopedia.
Orion Invictus is edit warring
Android 17 edit
I'm not sure this is the right place to talk about this...
I've made an small edit on the page about Android 17. Before, it claimed that Gokû said in Japanese he would try not to kill 17 after going Super Saiyan Blue, in DB Super episode 86.
This is incorrect. Here's what he actually says: 本当は しねえつもりだったけんどよ (Hontō wa shinē tsumori datta kendo yo). It literally means "honestly, I didn't intend to (go SS Blue)". As you can see, the English subtitles are very faithful to what is said in Japanese.
However, my edit has already been undone once. It's a bit annoying, seeing as I always check my facts before making any corrections.
- After becoming Super Saiyan Blue, in the official subs Goku also notes that he did not intend to go Super Saiyan Blue during the battle, but did so because of how strong Android 17 was, though in the original Japanese Goku did not say this, instead saying he will try not to kill 17 upon using Super Saiyan Blue. DragonEmeperor (talk) 03:57, February 13, 2019 (UTC)
I've provided you with the exact quote from the show in Japanese: 本当は しねえつもりだったけんどよ.
It does NOT mean that Gokû will try not to kill 17. It means "to be honest, I didn't intend to (go SS Blue)". Please feel free to check if you wish. It's clearly a misunderstanding, I suppose the person who wrote that heard Gokû say しねえ (shinê) and thought it was 死ね (shine > die!) instead, and believed Gokû said he would try not to kill 17.
But I can guarantee it's not what Gokû says. At all. The English subs and official dub are 100% accurate in this case.
- I understand, but the subtitles were written by Crunchyroll, so they can translate it differently. Anyway, let's take it to 17's talk page. DragonEmeperor (talk) 04:55, February 13, 2019 (UTC)
Have you seen the Super Saiyan 4 talk page?
Apparently they need you for proof of SS4 = x10 SS, when there is no proof for that at all. There is no statement of it, and there is no official information for that anywhere.. but please feel free to oblige them and post whatever proof you are supposed to have in that talk page. FlatZone (talk) 16:17, February 13, 2019 (UTC)
Neffy I only suggested we wait for you because you're the one who added "according to Dragon Ball Z: Scouter Battle Taikan Kamehameha - Ora to Omee to Scouter Super Saiyan 4's power is ten times that of a Super Saiyan", so if there is any proof you would have it.
Hey, Neffy how's it going man? I have some video game movesets. I purchase games in japanese in order to find their original names and I wanted to help this wiki out. I didn't know how to accomplish this: Should I make it into a personal subpage (i'm not sure if this is allowed) or a forum piece? I simply want to compile the pages up from the japanese guides to make the wiki. I want to translate them to in order to create a log of information. Thanks in advance for any advice on this issue. New World God 12:46, February 16, 2019 (UTC)
- Hey, it's going good thanks. Do you mean a subpage like this? Because you can make one like that if you want. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:23, February 19, 2019 (UTC)
Super Full Power Saiyan 4
Hi, I have a question: in the article about Dr. Brief, it says that he has been shown to “be able to design, invent, fix, alter or manipulate, and engineer almost anything”, and I’ve been wondering: does the alter part mean he can modify anything according to what he desires and the manipulate part mean he can hack any device, computer, machine, etc.? Because if so, shouldn’t the article instead say that he has been “shown to be able to design, invent, fix, modify or hack, and engineer almost anything”? I mean, the alter and manipulate part could both be mistaken for something more supernatural, you know. --Chris Urena (talk) 17:22, February 21, 2019 (UTC)
- Feel free to change it. --Neffyarious (talk) 23:05, February 21, 2019 (UTC)
Dragon emperor "claims" you have proof freiza is a confirmed user of pure progress. i dont believe him. is he telling the truth —This unsigned comment was made by Shin the science guy (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
Pure Progress is the ability to rapidly advance in a short span of time, Frieza has done this on multiple occasions (ResF and the ToP) so he's a user. --Neffyarious (talk) 15:35, February 26, 2019 (UTC)
except none of those times he ever did. your evidence makes no sense.( we dont even know the strenght of toppo yet you seem to think he is stronger than sidra not to mention toppo most likely held back against freiza to not kill him) . Shin the science guy (talk) 00:27, February 27, 2019 (UTC) Shin the science guy
Reached a new level after a single training session with Tagoma. Hit's explanation of improving is a repeat of Frieza's prior to his training. He became much faster than a SSB during ToP while he was the same speed as one prior to it. Said that based on prior experience that he had grown strong enough to hold back a destruction sphere with one hand even though earlier he had struggled whilst using two (I'm not saying Top > Sidra, but Frieza compares his experiences with the two usages). The word used for explaining Frieza's power increase in the lead up to Broly ("seichou") is the same word used for Hit's improvement. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:14, February 27, 2019 (UTC)
Ok. first of seicho is just japanese for the word growth(can be translated as improvement,advancement,progress etc).Dont know why you seem to be treating it like its a unique name.Hit explanation being similar to freiza proves what excactly? how does basically saying " i thought i never had to get stronger but now i think I do " help your argument? Those two talking about get stronger is no different than goku or any other character saying i need to get stronger(especially with goku considering freiza was talking about him going to train,while hit on the other hand proceeded to instantly improve his abilties something freiza has never shown during battle once). Freiza getting stronger after training with Tagoma again proves what? that training makes you stronger? And considering that you seem to think training for a short period of time gives you the ability(again completely unique to freiza considering uub hit and ganos did not need to train but simply got stronger during their respective fights) you as well add tagoma since he jumped from zarbon and dodoria level(18,000) to above piccolo (150 million+). Freiza expecting to hold back a Hakai Ball is just his typical arrogance(which is fitting for his character). golden freiza destroying normal dypso does not really prove he got much faster than sbb. your misinterpreting the scene. golden freiza did not ever out run dyspo light bullet (all you see is dyspo using it once and punches golden freiza then freiza proceeds to overpower him , nothing in that scene showing freiza outspeeding light bullet). also im curious? SINCE FREIZA HAS PURE PROGRES like hit then why did he not improve against dyspo super maximum speed mode then huh? hit did it with light bullet. why cant freiza. same ability right? Shin the science guy (talk) 21:53, February 27, 2019 (UTC)Shin the sciene guy
He didn't have time to improve because Dispo's real fast and they didn't fight long? Took Hit a while against rego Dispo. I know what Seichou means, it's on the page... anyhow it's the term used to describe this ability when Hit first displays it, Piccolo calls it that. Frieza reached a new level after one session of beating up Tagoma, Ganos reached a new level after a few minutes of fighting, same thing. --Neffyarious (talk) 22:21, February 27, 2019 (UTC)
Frieza got much stronger DURING the ToP.. Hit did too, as he was slowly adjusting to Jiren to where he finally was able to block Jiren's attacks and land a few of his own. Vegeta compared Hit's growth ability to the Saiyans but showed annoyance saying it seemed to be even better. Frieza's growth even annoyed Vegeta and made him wary of Frieza. In the Manga Jiren also has the same ability as he used it to catch up to and match UI Goku and outlast him. Gohan has the ability too, in the manga he started out weaker than SS Kefla, but just from fighting SS Kefla he ended up tying her, not to mention how fast Gohan got stronger in the two day time period before the tournament in the anime and manga, as in the anime he went from his Buu Saga Ultimate Gohan full power, to bringing his Ultimate Gohan Full Power to rival SSB Goku's power after training with Piccolo. Hit, Ganos, Jiren, Frieza, Gohan, and Broly posess this potent ability, and I think Goku Black had it too since in the middle of battle he would catch up to and then surpass his enemy the same as the others I mentioned did. It does exist and I don't see why you argue against it Shin. FlatZone (talk) 22:46, February 27, 2019 (UTC)
Flat zone show me where did freiza rapid growth scare vegeta during the tournament. All you said is that freiza growth annoyed vegeta and made him weary thats it Shin the science guy (talk) 23:24, February 27, 2019 (UTC)Shin the science guy
Not really. Hit improved dyspo who he could not perceive in minutes . freiza did not seem to show any promblem with perceiving dyspo just reacting to his attacks . Piccolo? all he said was " Improvement,Hit improved even in such a short amount of time" .He is obviously refering to Hits's actions .No idea how you seem to get he was naming the technique,your reaching on that one.Freiza reached a new level of power by brutally beating a vastly weaker opponent for who knows how long (no time was stated could be minutes,hours,seconds even) while ganos reached a new level by fighting a challenging match against an opponent who was stronger than him beforehand ,not to mention him improving in minutes(five to be precise) Again hwo you got those as the same thing is beyond me.Also since you seem to think "Improvement" why dont you change it then. Also tagoma stil fits your defenition of the technique.might as well put majjin buu in there too since getting significantly stronger through training in a short time is enough proof to be a user of this technique.show me a time when Golden freiza ever did something like Ganos,Hit and uub(rapidly improve against a stronger opponent in a short amount of time) .And change the name since apparently piccolo named it in the series already Shin the science guy (talk) 23:22, February 27, 2019 (UTC)Shin the science guy
Look guys if you really want to have your changes be made to the article, you need the consensus of the community to achieve it. To do that, please bring it up here . Writing it here looks like your heckling Neffyarious. 0551E80Y (talk) 02:35, February 28, 2019 (UTC)
Side-story is canon
- By our wiki's standards GT is Tier 2 Canon. --Neffyarious (talk) 19:59, February 26, 2019 (UTC)
When editing the page you can put it in those sections in the infobox.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:55, March 17, 2019 (UTC)
So can i change the pure progress page now?
- We have given you reasons and sources, why are you still fighting over this? DragonEmeperor (talk) 19:53, March 20, 2019 (UTC)
- Because your "reasons" dont make any sense and contradict what happened in the show and your "sources "dont exist. you didn't give me any at allShin the science guy (talk) 01:28, March 21, 2019 (UTC)Shin the science guy
- Frieza is a user as even in Broly, it is said that he's grown in power but is still weaker than Beerus. DragonEmeperor (talk) 01:51, March 21, 2019 (UTC)
- Just read your logic lol. freiza is a user in Broly because he grew stronger.Ok then i geuss Krillin is a user as well as he grew in power in preparation of the saiyans invasion.Matter of fact by that logic everybody in this series is a user(even yamcha and tien as they all grew stronger ).s and why are you even here. im was not asking you anything Shin the science guy (talk) 19:30, March 21, 2019 (UTC)Shin the science guy
- Because your "reasons" dont make any sense and contradict what happened in the show and your "sources "dont exist. you didn't give me any at allShin the science guy (talk) 01:28, March 21, 2019 (UTC)Shin the science guy
There has to be a consensus for a change, several agree to keep Frieza as a user while you are the only opposition (I think...). I have nothing more to say on the talk page that wouldn't be repeating points but that does not mean it can be changed. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:31, March 21, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, it's three agree with keeping, one agree with removing. No point putting it on the forum, just get people to use the talk page. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:41, March 21, 2019 (UTC)
Frieza has the growth aka pure progress ability, its just not the same potency as Goku Blacks, Ultimate Gohans, Hits, Jirens, or Broly's. But he definitely has it, because he got stronger between him being brought back for the ToP and during the ToP itself and he is not a Saiyan, therefor there is only one way he could have done that. FlatZone (talk) 20:45, March 21, 2019 (UTC)
I created a page for Naohiro Shintani so can you add his name to the dragon ball production staff template under the character designer category. Thanks. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 14:06, March 29, 2019 (UTC))
- You know you can add categories to pages right, it's not just admins. Also I don't see that category. --Neffyarious (talk) 14:32, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
I mean in the template box for Dragon Ball Productions staff. Can you list him under animation designers
- Unless it's locked, regular users can edit templates too, to find it you just need to type Template:DBProductionStaff in the search bar and then edit the page. --Neffyarious (talk) 14:49, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Neffyarious. I thought it was locked because on some templates you can edit them without having to search for them if it’s available on a page. Also I keep telling this user, User:Btumy to stop uploading gifs but he’s still continuing. Can you talk to him. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 14:52, March 29, 2019 (UTC))
Done. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:03, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
Can I please have permission to delete the future cell gallery and start over awhile back I started on the gallery and never finished.—This unsigned comment was made by Molly Baker (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
You could just continue on from it as is. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:43, March 29, 2019 (UTC)
Flat's uncalled for behavior.
He called a user, "special" and this behavior isn't new to him. FlatZone has already been banned from one wiki for a similar reason. Please look into this issue. Rogeta234 (talk) 19:58, April 1, 2019 (UTC)
This is generally the job of the more social based admins (like User:0551E80Y or User:JBour53) rather than the content based ones, but I'll give Flat a warning. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:32, April 3, 2019 (UTC)
Picture and Video
Its because I found out part-way through doing it that the game calls some "Xeno Name" and others "Name (Xeno)", so I don't know if we're going to settle on "Xeno Name" or not. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:09, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
- That'd be confusing and inconsistent for the pages if that were the case, better to go with one and keep it simple for everybody. Are these names on the new World Mission game?15:38, April 8, 2019 (UTC)Bullza (talk) 17:00, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
Literally everywhere else in other games its ______: Xeno, not Xeno ______. World Mission is the only place I remember seeing it spelled Xeno Goku.. so why should it be changed because of that? FlatZone (talk) 15:54, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
World Mission would take priority over all the other sources with the characters, as it's the first time outside of merchandise (which is lower on our naming scheme than games) to contain the official English translations (Name: Xeno is the literal translation done by fans we used prior to getting an official English translation).
It's just which official translation is more appropriate is difficult, I'm currently thinking "Xeno Name" simply because it lines up with how we treat Future characters, who have been referred to as both "Future Name" and "Name (Future)" in games, but we go with "Future Name" in their case.--Neffyarious (talk) 17:28, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
- Well bare in mind that if it does change to Xeno name then that's going to need changing on all the characters pages, all the saga pages, all the episode pages, all the chapter pages and the navigation box. So it depends if making the change is worth all that trouble, that'd be a few dozen pages worth to comb through when that may not be the official one either.Bullza (talk) 21:58, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
Both "Xeno Name" and "Name (Xeno)" are official, it's just which is preferable that needs to be decided before the change is finalized. --Neffyarious (talk) 22:08, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
- I just looked up a YouTube video for World Mission that lists all the characters and they have it as Goku (Xeno), Vegeks (Xeno), Frieza (Xeno) etc. Which would be close enough to our Goku: Xeno, well close enough that it wouldn't require changing all the links over anyway.Bullza (talk) 22:22, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
- Is that true for other characters when they speak? I checked the credits for Episode 1 of Super Dragon Ball Heroes and that does seem like it's going with Goku: Xeno. That's in Japanese but that gives an idea of what they went with. It doesn't seem like there's any one correct version then.Bullza (talk) 23:01, April 8, 2019 (UTC)
Goku: Xeno is the literal translation of the Japanese, it's never been used as an official English translation though. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:11, April 9, 2019 (UTC)
https://twitter.com/ErrenVanDuine/status/1116422098078064640 It's Goku (Xeno) it seems FlatZone (talk) 00:14, April 12, 2019 (UTC)
The game uses both, we should discuss it on the MoS talk I feel. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:35, April 12, 2019 (UTC)
Mr. Satan (Universe 6)
But, Mr. Satan (Universe 6) is that he is not exaggerating much to appear the character of the Universe 6 in Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission. BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 21:16, April 10, 2019 (UTC)
- In World Mission there is a version of Mr. Satan from U6 who shows up at one point.--Neffyarious (talk) 21:24, April 10, 2019 (UTC)
check this out
https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Super_Saiyan_4#This_confirms_what_I_thought_in_the_first_place. FlatZone (talk) 18:27, April 14, 2019 (UTC)
I saw you added Xeno Gohan the ability to go Super Saiyan 4
No. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:26, April 21, 2019 (UTC)
(Molly Baker (talk) 22:22, May 3, 2019 (UTC))i know you'll probably say no and give me a long list of reasons and several reasons why but dose the mysterious silhouetted being envisioned by Goku quailfy for a tertiary charcter spot on the List of tertiary characters section
Depends on if it's a unique character, when did this envisioned silhouette show up? --Neffyarious (talk) 23:43, May 3, 2019 (UTC)
Monzy Mon behaviour in a thread
He tried to insult my age saying I'm eleven in this thread right here https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:628834#203 can you please talk to him Shin the science guy (talk) 00:03, May 5, 2019 (UTC)Shin the science guy
Indeed you both need to remain civil, cool off if discussions are getting heated. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:35, May 5, 2019 (UTC)
Hey i was wondering if you could delete the other videos i posted, they were ment for the Legendary Super Saiyan God page but when i saw the request to delete it i deleted it and now the videos i was going to put on there have been posted and need to be deleted. GokuSSJrose (talk) 17:58, May 10, 2019 (UTC)GokuSSJrose
Done. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:12, May 10, 2019 (UTC)
Question about the word key
I don't know? --Neffyarious (talk) 10:22, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
Hi umm I want to start a tournament so can you help me????
You just click "Start a Tournament" and people can join - it's a live chat. Make sure to sign your posts with the signature button at the top in future. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:22, May 17, 2019 (UTC)
Fandom Wiki Manager
Hey Neffyarious! My name is HighJewElfKing, and I'm the Fandom Wiki Manager for Dragon Ball Wiki. My job is to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever got a question or issue relating to the wiki, editing, etc., please contact me on my message wall and I'll do my best to help you out! :) HighJewElfKing (talk) 18:14, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
It turns out this wiki falls under the anime vertical not movies and TV, so you guys will have a wiki manager however it won't be me as I work in the movies and TV vertical. Thanks for the understanding :) HighJewElfKing (talk) 22:23, May 20, 2019 (UTC)
Hi-I am trying to identify some vintage dragonball z tcg cards. Mostly from 1992-1994. They-are all in Japanese.
I don't know how to remove a Block ID, but if you were blocked you should not be able to edit my talk page. --Neffyarious (talk) 23:37, May 23, 2019 (UTC)
Do you remember seeing Semi Perfect Cell in any of the Xenoverse 2 cutscenes as I haven’t seen him whatsoever as far as I looked? Because Semi Perfect Cell is listed as being in the game only in the cutscenes and when I try to search up a video of his appearance, it just brings me MOD videos of him in Xenoverse 2. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 18:25, May 23, 2019 (UTC))
It's been a long time since XV2 so I don't recall. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:05, May 25, 2019 (UTC)
Goku Black's Super Saiyan Rosé
Hi, I've been recently debating back and fourth with a couple who claim that in the anime that Goku Black's Rosé is his version of SSGSS. The sources that have been linked do not confirm this, it does however confirm that's what Toriyama wanted, and it only happened in the manga. In the anime, I remember multiple sources saying Rosé was Black's version of blonde SSJ. I have suggested to them that instead of saying it's SSGSS in the anime, it's better to instead put that it is unclear as we don't have any sources stating that SSJR is SSGSS in the anime. In the manga it is of course, SSGSS, but if I remember correctly, a few sources came out in japanese stating SSJR is SSJ in the anime. I argued the point that the video games usually before adding characters have some kind of contact with Toei, so the information given was most likely SSJR is SSJ. I know video games don't affect the actual series but that's not what I was saying, I was saying Toei must have said something to the developers. The air date for the SSJR episode is August 28, 2016, the DBH God mission 9 was somewhere in Jun 2016. The God Mission date might not be 100% correct, but I'm struggling to find a date when it came out. In order to avoid misinformation, I believe we should change the information about Black's SSJR in the anime from being SSGSS, to unclear and why it could be either. TheCreepy904 (talk) 23:32, May 28, 2019 (UTC)
You said that there are multiple sources saying anime Rose is Black's version of normal Super Saiyan. Do you have them? --Neffyarious (talk) 08:59, May 29, 2019 (UTC)
I know I'm not the guy above, but I could've sworn Goku literally says that to Bulma when they return from the future the first time, at least in the Japanese version.
Check, and if he does the use that as a source. --Neffyarious (talk) 12:21, May 29, 2019 (UTC)
I have been looking all over and all I found was this. I'm still searching. So far there is lack of evidence on both sides to say what SSJR actually is. It's been very unclear from the start whether it's SSGSS or SSJ. Which is why I think it should be changed to unclear for the anime.TheCreepy904 (talk) 23:17, May 29, 2019 (UTC)
What are you talking about? We never spoke about the image I just linked, we spoke about Toriyama's notes and art, which aren't always adapted as such, especially in the anime. TheCreepy904 (talk) 03:35, May 30, 2019 (UTC)
Yes in addition to that photo that Herms translated. We definitely talked about that image. If I remember correctly, Flatzone did give you sources and that image was one of them but with herms translations. And Terez photoshopped what herms translated from that photo into the photo and also photoshopped Toriyama’s art and notes with herms translations. We definitely discussed this. Didn’t you see what was said in that photo with the translations? (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 04:18, May 30, 2019 (UTC))
I've just looked through the messages, I can't find anywhere where it had this within the source. Please link it, I haven't found it, all Flat did was link the same twitter post, two times. Neff, are you there?TheCreepy904 (talk) 06:31, May 30, 2019 (UTC)
This has proved my point; "It's Goku Black's version of Super Saiyan. its strength is a match for SSGSS!", it's Goku Black's SSJ, and it matches SSGSS in strength. I'm going to wait for your next response, I'm going to give you and Flat one more response, I've almost made up my mind, and you've given ME proof.TheCreepy904 (talk) 06:38, May 30, 2019 (UTC)
It could be only Black's version of the Super Saiyan in the anime but at the same time the manga and Toriyama sheets clarify that Rosé was intended to have Super Saiyan in addition to the form whether or not the animators thought it was Super Saiyan so therefore it should be labeled as SGSS even if the anime labeled it as Super Saiyan though we should still bring the information out there that it was Black's version of Super Saiyan in the anime due to the misunderstanding between the anime staff and Toriyama as Black only activated the Rosé form and didn't use the actual Super Saiyan form. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 07:31, May 30, 2019 (UTC))
Considering these sources the page should say: "Super Saiyan Rosé is the Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan transformation of a Saiyan who is an actual deity in the manga, and the Super Saiyan form of Goku Black in the anime. It matches Super Saiyan Blue in strength." --Neffyarious (talk) 21:17, May 30, 2019 (UTC)
Look at the talk page closely. I even said it should or might be both but still sided on my position that it is still SGSS since Toriyama and Toyotarō clarified and corrected that. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 15:54, May 31, 2019 (UTC))
Super Saiyan Full Power
Hey, Neffyarious, I've got a question. Why is it that Super Saiyan Full Power (Broly's Final Form in Dragon Ball Super: Broly) is referred to as Legendary Super Saiyan and featured under its page? From my memory it's never referred to as that form and seems to come from a different branch and background entirely. Fused Zamasu (talk)
V-Jump articles for DBS Broly, as well as a poster for San Diego Comic-Con referred to the form as Legendary Super Saiyan. --Neffyarious (talk) 22:38, June 1, 2019 (UTC)
Xeno Goku height and weight
Same as Goku, the source is on Xeno Goku's page. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:26, June 10, 2019 (UTC)I'm new, but I would like for you to take a look at this video and consider publishing these multipliers on the wiki pages they correspond to. All pertinent details are listed in the video information.
Thanks for the message!
Its fan made so no. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:34, June 19, 2019 (UTC)
Would you agree that SSB is 50 times SSGSS?
Neffyarious, I've got a question about a Super Saiyan's power reaching up to 400 times base form. If it reaches 400 times base form, is SSJ2 still more powerful?—This unsigned comment was made by The New King Vegeta (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
I don't know. --Neffyarious (talk) 00:42, June 26, 2019 (UTC)
Ok, Neffyarious. Thanks for the reply. And tell me if my singature is right.--The New King Vegeta
Your supposed to use the signature button at the top. --Neffyarious (talk) 08:24, June 26, 2019 (UTC)
It is, an episode preview said it was. --Neffyarious (talk) 22:58, June 26, 2019 (UTC)
Earth Dragon Balls
I just created an article for the Earth Dragon Balls hoping that anyone that has accurate knowledge of this should include the information in this article but Jack Jackson and I are debating on the necessity of this page since he had told me that the Dragon Ball (object) page was really meant to cover the Earth Dragon Balls. but from what I'm seeing in the page, all varieties of Dragon Balls are listed in the page with their important usages and it doesn't really just tie down to the Earth Dragon Balls and plus the Earth Dragon Balls are listed as a kind of Dragon Ball like the other ones listed in the page but has yet to have an article for it so i decided to open one for it. Plus, since the Earth Dragon Balls shaped up the story to what it is now, and is far more seen than the other dragon balls, i feel like an article should be included for it along with a full biography since they were the first ones to show up in the series. What are your thoughts? (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 12:15, July 8, 2019 (UTC))
Seems 10X already agrees, just make sure all the info relating to the Earth page is moved from the object page over. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:51, July 11, 2019 (UTC)
So when the Time Patrol go back to Age 790 and see that Gogeta fighting Omega Shenron, that's being counted as being Xeno Gogeta. The one Fin absorbed and all, that's on the Xeno Gogeta page. Though when the Time Patrol go back to the Namek Saga and Xeno Goku teams up with that Super Saiyan Goku, then that Goku is not considered a Xeno version.
It is, just has not been written in detail, look at the Background section on Xeno Goku's page. The altered history has not been detailed, aside from the part in "The Fifth Demon God a Man Known as the Grim Reaper" where Xeno Goku's past self during Fusion Reborn was killed by Towa. --Neffyarious (talk) 14:18, July 13, 2019 (UTC)
- So all the Time Patrol characters and their counterparts that they come across when they travel to different time periods, so like when we saw Teen Gohan being defeated by Cell...they're all Xeno characters? That would have been a Xeno Teen Gohan?Bullza (talk) 01:40, July 14, 2019 (UTC)
That's what the story seems to indicate, GT Pan directly becomes Xeno Pan, Trunks refers to Cell Games Vegeta as Xeno Vegeta's past self etc. --Neffyarious (talk) 14:05, July 14, 2019 (UTC)
It is with Xeno Trunks, as "Dispatch! Time Patrol" refers to Xeno Goku as the strongest warrior from Trunks' memory, so he should be split as if he were the normal Future Trunks it would have been the mainline Goku. Dabura's an odd case however, as he refers to the Xeno world's Dabura as being separate from him in "Dark Demon God Boo". --Neffyarious (talk) 14:25, July 14, 2019 (UTC)
- So do we need to make a Xeno Trunks page and move all the Heroes information over on to that then? Also you may need to take a look at this and the next chapter because maybe somethings are wrong then.
Like this stuff I've written here
Yeah we do need a Xeno Trunks page with all his DBH info. I'm not sure about Syn Shenron, since the Xeno Shadow Dragons come from a different set of Dragon Balls to the GT Shadow Dragons. --Neffyarious (talk) 15:51, July 14, 2019 (UTC)--Neffyarious (talk) 15:51, July 14, 2019 (UTC)
- I'll see about making it tomorrow unless you'd rather do it as I'm not familiar with the whole Heroes thing outside of what I see in the chapters or episodes so I don't know which sections from Future Trunks' page needs to be copied over, like the Xenoverse stuff. Other a lot of the Heroes related pages could do with having a look through really to see if they're accurate and up to date.Bullza (talk) 01:40, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
I can handle it if you want. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:15, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
Oh I'd made it now, I started before you'd made that response. I've done what I can with it, I haven't added anything from the Xenoverse games so you're probably going to need to skim through the Xeno Trunks and Future Trunks page and see what needs to be swapped over or added. I didn't put anything for Xeno Trunks background because I don't know what it is and there's probably going to be techniques and maybe transformations that aren't on there.Bullza (talk) 16:58, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
Nice job. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:04, July 15, 2019 (UTC)
You have 34k edits????!!!!
Hey where did you find this image of Yamoshi https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Yamoshi?file=Yamoshi%27s_spirit.png . —This unsigned comment was made by SuperSaiyanBattleOfGods (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
It's from Battle of Gods, it shows up for a moment either when Shenron is talking about the SSG, or when they are performing the SSG ritual. --Neffyarious (talk) 09:52, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
Hello, thanks for the warm welcome. Sorry for the late reply, I was very busy with final exams the last two months. I'm a lifelong Dragon Ball fan. I have knowledge about some Balkan dubs, so I though I would share the information with your wiki. LeonBHS (talk) 15:27, July 27, 2019 (UTC)LeonBHS
Sosuagwu17 Edit Warring
Hi, me again. This user has been edit warring against me on the same page as last time, Super Saiyan Rosè. I changed the quote to fit the original Japanese since it portrays Goku Black's character a lot more accurate than the dubs version. The use of words such as "beautiful" and just the way Black structures his sentences, it shows his narcissism and 'God Complex'. I feel this is better for this page, and it was left untouched for weeks, possible a couple months until Sosuagwu touched it, they have threatened to report me and I'm to be quite frank getting sick of this constant crap to do with the English Dub vs the Japanese, the Japanese is closer to the original, and sometimes the dub has no choice but the change certain words. As it is there is already enough misinformation that has come from this website, Dragon Ball in it's purest form comes from Toriyama and Shueisha, not from Funimation. This is a similar situation to the SSJR is SSJ discussion, please will you help moderate this? Thanks.
You are the one who decided not to wait until consensus and I even told you we have to finish our conversation about this first before doing anything with the page but you still messed with the page even before consensus so I had no choice but to report you. Aussieboy even gave you a warning about this and you still decided to continue the edit war. It is like you are trying to get yourself blocked on purpose even after warning. The quote has been like that for a year if not months so I have no problem seeing the quote there. Even after you changed it to the Japanese version I changed it back to how it originally was and it has been like that for about a week until the edit war arised. Aussieboy even explained to you that the reason why the quote is in its English version is because the wiki is aimed toward western readers who are more familiar with the dub version of the anime since the Anime in their country specifically the US comes first or quite frequently before the manga so all or most quotes and names of characters are changed to its English version and also to keep it consistent with the manual of style here. But you still continued to edit war even when given a reason for my removal of your edit. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 13:33, July 29, 2019 (UTC))
Aussieboy's logic doesn't make sense, this is a wiki, The "Dragon Ball wiki", not the "Funimation Dragon Ball wiki", the funimation dub is notorious for not being faithful to the original. Just because a lot of the western audience grew up with the original Z dub, doesn't mean they shouldn't be educated on the actual facts. These changes are the equivilent to head canon. I didn't get any notification from Aussieboy until I was on my profile, so I'm not sure what's happening there, that's also why it took a while for me to realise the quote had been changed. Your the only one who has a problem with this, most people on this wiki either haven't noticed it, don't care or don't know any better. If your keeping consistant with the manual of this wiki, it should be stated as a disclaimer that this is for the Funimation version/dub of Dragon Ball only, and barely represents the original source material. Putting it politely, head canon. TheCreepy904 (talk) 13:45, July 29, 2019 (UTC)
Every material whether the dub or Japanese are still accepted into this wiki because this is the English Dragon Ball wiki so any information material that comes from Funimation or Viz Media or official English guide books pertaining to Dragon Ball are accepted into this wiki as much as the Japanese or original material whether you like it or not because this is an encyclopedia meant for information on Dragon Ball in both parties and I'm pretty sure if information from Funimation or Viz media was considered fan work it would most likely be moved to the Dragon Ball Fanon wiki so it tells me that the information that comes from them are official information. Other English anime wikis accept information coming from the English version of their respective anime as much as the original Japanese version, so it is not right to call this wiki the Funimation Dragon Ball wiki like it only accepts information coming from Funimation or Viz alone. Honestly, there shouldn't be an edit war over this since the quotes mean the exact same thing. Sometimes changing a quote to another version may change the meaning of the quote so it may be good to leave it in its original Japanese version but sometimes quotes in its original Japanese version can be changed to the English version of it not only to keep it consistent with the western readers who are more familiar with the dub version of the anime but also because the quotes can mean the exact same thing just worded differently which is the case right here. the English version is more acceptable when it comes to names of certain characters or things and sometimes acceptable with quotes as well when it doesn’t change the meaning of the quote as this is the English dragon ball wiki meant for western English anime and sometimes manga readers so sometimes quotes or names have to fit that style for that reason. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 14:44, July 29, 2019 (UTC))
I suppose the page originally had the sub quote, but it was changed to the dub one at some point and that is why this discussion has occurred. On the wiki we can use either sub or dub quotes depending on what is more suitable (for example on Goku's page we use his sub Super Saiyan speech rather than dub), you should leave the page as it initially was and take the discussion to the talk page so that a consensus can be reached. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:21, July 29, 2019 (UTC)
The problem is Neffy, Sosguagwu got an admin on me who is threatening to ban me, he's saying it should say dubbed, your saying it could be sub or dub. The Super Saiyan Goku quote shouldn't be from Z, it should be from either Kai, or the sub, being a Dragon Ball wiki, not a Funimation Dragon Ball wiki, the quotes should be as close to the original as possible. Goku is not a super hero, he's someone who loves to fight, a child at heart, something funimation struggles to portray. We will take this to the talk page, but what happens if we don't come to an agreement? If I change the quote back I'll be banned unfairy, sosuagwu changed the quote 14 days after I changed it, so HE started the edit war, and this biased admin thinks hes doing his job and saying he'll ban me without getting the full story? Please will you continue to moderate this conversation between me and Sos.
EDIT: and Sos, the quote isn't very consistant with Goku Black's portrayal, in the sub he comes across as a menacing soft spoken entity, another Goku. Constantly flaunting his supposed "beauty" and "wisdom". In the dub, he's very outspoken and basically yells and speaks very fast. His accent is too different from Goku, he's a different character to the one we saw in the sub. I still feel we should change it back. In the quote Black's character is portrayed very well and conistant, in the dub it isn't. It's also a mouthful. TheCreepy904 (talk) 11:14, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
The page was in its dub quote since 2018 until the 8th of July when Creepy904 changed it to its sub quote. I changed the quote back to its Funimation version on the 22nd of July and the edit war started on the 28th of July so it should be left with its dub quote instead since the convention, as stated in the rules, was to leave page in its last accepted revision before the day or period of the edit war and it was with its dub quote before the edit war so it's only fair to leave it with the dub quote. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 13:50, July 30, 2019 (UTC))
And Creepy904, I didn't edit war on the article, you were the one that was edit warring when given reason for my removal of your edit and still continued to edit war even after specifically warning you about edit warring on articles in my edit summary but you selfishly told me to take my own advice and continued to edit war instead of leaving it in its last accepted revision before the edit war and also without finishing the discussion we had in my talkpage and come to a consensus just to have your way and still continue to disobey site policy so I was forced to continue to contest your edit and ultimately report you for edit warring on articles. As it is defined in the rules, an edit war is when two people undo each other’s revisions 3 or more times within a 24 hour period given on the same day so if I changed the quote back to its English version 14 days after you changed the quote that is not considered edit warring and plus I was doing some editing on the page and had no idea you even changed it back to the original version of the quote and I saw the quote to make sure it fits with the dub so I happened to change it. I even noticed before you changed the quotes that it was with its original English version since 2018 so it safe to say it should be left with the dub version since the dub quote has been there for a while and nobody but you has a problem with it. When I saw you change it back to its original Japanese version, I happened to contest your edit because I felt the dub version was more suitable to fit with the Western anime demographic who come to this site but you instigated the edit war by not leaving page as it is before the contested edit so I had no choice but to continue to contest your edit and report you for edit warring after undoing my revisions 3-4 times when I was trying to leave it how it was before the edit warring and I even left you a message warning you about edit warring in articles in my edit summary. We even had a discussion about this quote topic in my talkpage but you decided not to wait until discussion was over and still tampered with the page even before consensus so i had no choice but to report you for edit warring. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 14:12, July 30, 2019 (UTC))
There is a difference between contesting an edit and edit warring. Contesting an edit is leaving an edit as it was before it was disputed by leaving it in its last accepted revision before the change or in its last accepted revision before the period of edit warring while edit warring is continuing to put back your edit repeatedly 3 or more times within a given day or period after someone has disputed your edit and is currently contesting your edit. In this case I was the contesting user and gave you a warning for edit warring while I was contesting your edit even after giving you an explanation as that is a violation against wiki policy and is bannable and you still decided to put back your edit repeatedly after given warning and reason which is considered edit warring. I hope I don't get in trouble for following the rules here.(Sosuagwu17 (talk) 15:40, July 30, 2019 (UTC))
The quote had technically been on the page for two weeks though and we tend to consider an edit to be "safe" if it was on the page for a week without being disputed - unless it was previously disputed and resolved. Since it was dub for ages just leave it at that until a consensus has been reached on talk. --Neffyarious (talk) 15:59, July 30, 2019 (UTC)
So we are going to argue back and forth about this now like with the SSJR is SSJ situation? That was left untouched for years and when I made the edit, Sos and Flat had a problem. If the edit was safe then it should stay subbed until we reach an agreement like you said before Neffy. TheCreepy904 (talk) 02:18, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
It was with its dub quote for about a week after I changed it back so the dub quote is also considered safe as well in case you didn’t notice. No one should tamper with the page. The agreement was to leave the page in its last updated revision before the edit war so let’s talk this over so this bickering can be over. Neff even said that the dub quote has been in the page for a while so it stays until consensus is reached. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 03:02, July 31, 2019 (UTC))
Then that should've been stated in the rules. In the meantime I am just following what is listed in the rules. Leave edit to its last accepted revision before the edit war until consensus is reached. They should've added the safe and unsafe edits matter in the edit war bullet point of the rules so it would be much more explanatory and detailed and specific and since that is not in the rules, I am continuing to follow what it exactly says in the rules concerning edit warring. Neff said leave it with the dub quote so it should be left alone with the dub quote instead of being removed until consensus. So stop removing the quote and continuing your edit war on the article. I probably won’t even bother anymore if I can’t get anything through to you. I am not trying to get in trouble for your edit warring that I have to undo so many times just because you don’t agree to keep it in its last version with the dub quote. I can't get blocked for specifically following what is stated in the rules but if they want to update the rules concerning edit warring they should do that to fit our convenience and to make things more specific regarding the rules of edit warring and possibly other rules that is listed within the rule page of the wiki. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 04:48, July 31, 2019 (UTC))
Move the conversation to the SSJR talk page.
What makes you think you have the right to leave your edit there until we reach a consensus? You can certainly get blocked for exploiting the rules, I don't believe that quote is the right representation of this character, stop adding it in. TheCreepy904 (talk) 08:23, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
The whole "safe after a week" thing is just something we use for minor edits I believe, it's not actually noted anywhere. The way I see it you were both under the impression you were doing the right thing, so if you just leave the page with the dub quote for now, and discuss which is more appropriate on the talk then neither of you will have to worry about a block. So Creepy, do not alter the page until a consensus has been reached on talk, the two of you also do not need to discuss whether the page should stay sub or dub on SSR's talk page, just about why the respective quotes should be used. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:22, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
I'm really sorry Neffy to bother you on your main page, but I am unable to talk to any other admin after Aussieboy banned me. This is completely unfair, Sos was the one who was constantly undoing my edits, so I tried to negotiate with him. I told him it's best to leave the quote out of the page for the time being, but he kept undoing it and refusing to speak with me, even though I was providing my points. If I've broken the rules, so has he. He's been consulting another admin who is obviously taking Sos' side because he is getting worked up. I took the conversation to the SSJR talk page and yet I was still banned, I believe this is an injustice and further actions should be taken. An admin that doesn't assess the situation and ignores the points of one individual over another shouldn't be an administrator. Sos didn't respond to my discussion on the SSJR talk page, and yet I still got banned. If you feel I should be banned, fine, but then Sos deserves a punishment as well as he's also broken the rules, an admin stated my page was safe(you), and he goes right back to what's written on the rules. Which is fine, but he's then saying there was no 'safe' rule and that it doesn't matter, he should be banned as well for exploiting. - TheCreepy Injustice3returnofASOS (talk) 10:48, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
By the time you said to leave it as it is, it was too late, please will you help me? Because Sos has thrown a tantrum I get punished, I'm starting to get really pissed off at Sam and Aussieboy, totally unfair. Sam didn't even bother using the SSJR talk page after I'd responded, he just went back to Aussieboy, and unsurprisingly, I get banned, great admin. Excuse my language, how the fuck is Sos not getting warned when he hasn't bothered to try negociate on the main talk page recently? I'm getting so sick of some of the people in this community, and of course he brings his friend along who takes sides without ASSESSING ... I've said this so many times now it's giving me a damn headache, AUSSIEBOY, didn't, BOTHER, checking, WHAT, Sam, DID, wrong. why is it in every Dragon Ball community website there's always that one admin that is someone still a staff member despite just being terrible at their job? Multiple admins were involved, there should be an agreement, it obviously didn't look like you agreed to have me banned. I didn't even get your message telling me to leave it as dub for now until it was too late. Injustice3returnofASOS (talk) 10:58, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
I warned you numeorus times to leave the article as it is until this is over and you refused. And you still violated the rules, there is no excuse for that behaviour. This edit war started because YOU, not the other user decided to change something in the article. Your impatience at waiting for a conesnsus in the talk page is the reason why you were blocked.
I suppose while I'm at it. Your block should be increased for 1. creating another account straight after for the sole purpose of continuing this which could count as sockpuppeting and 2. violating the rule of no swear words other then shit damn and ass. 0551E80Y (talk) 11:31, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
It says on my ban page that I should be able to contact an admin still, which is doesn't allow me to do so I had no choice but to make a second account, I have every right to contact the admins if I feel there's been an error or if a ban has been issued unfairly. I haven't edited any articles, but even so I knew you'd come up with more reasons to keep me banned, perhaps the other admins have a more reasonable way of thinking. The swearing was done once, I appologised, but I'm getting fed up with people like Sos in this community who constantly fight and fight.
The rule you spoke of is extremely flawed, and can be exploited. I don't use the wiki 24/7 like others do, I came back a few days later after I was sure my edit would be left alone as it was well over a week. YOU are extremely biased and you're looking for a reason stop me from having any say in anything. I only got Neffy's message after I was banned, not to mention Sos was still commenting on multiple pages which made it hard to follow, I saw that Neffy said that it should stay subbed until an agreement is reached, then I said it would be better to remove it until then, no one argued. If anything Sos has been very clever in continuing to reply to me on pages other than the SSJR talk page, the notifications don't even show up for some reason and I had to search back to those pages to see if anyone had replied. Sos hasn't bothered using the SSJR talk page since I tried to negociate. Perhaps I'm not the only one who's impatient, Sos refusing to read what I'd said about leaving the page without a quote until an agreement as been made, and you refusing to look at the posts, how am I meant to keep track of 4 different pages where a bunch of people are discussing the same thing? Once again, I ASKED to move the conversation to the TALK page of SSJR, he didn't. Almost 2 weeks of not being touched and he changes it, a few days later I return the quote to what I originally put, and somehow I'm enitiating a war, what a flawed rule. Anyhow, being banned should give me the opportunity to speak to admins, but not edit pages, how am I meant to defend myself when you are silencing me? I'm struggling to see how you can't see how fustrated I'm getting. It's obvious you are completely on Sos' side, emphasising with him getting fustrated. Now you try and find more reasons to silence me, reasons that are obviously just 'conveniently' there. I don't see how anyone can have a platform to defend themselves when it comes to things on this wiki. When it comes to rules, fine, I broke one, but there are grey areas in the others I supposedly 'broke'. Injustice3returnofASOS (talk) 11:59, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
When blocked you can still edit your own talk page. You replied to my message saying "Since it was dub for ages just leave it at that until a consensus has been reached on talk" so you must have seen that right? --Neffyarious (talk) 20:56, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
That's the thing, it doesn't let me edit my own talk page, this is why I'm suspicious of Aussieboy, I have no way of having a voice the way he banned me. Injustice3returnofASOS (talk) 00:27, August 1, 2019 (UTC)
There, I gave you back the rights to edit your own talk. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:00, August 1, 2019 (UTC)
Hey, Neffy. Just wondering if you can please go check out my points on the quotes and this wiki as a whole on the SSJR talk page when you have the time. Thanks. TheCreepy904 (talk) 11:33, August 5, 2019 (UTC)
You've made a solid argument. I don't have an opinion on the matter though so I won't be participating in the talk. I'll keep monitoring anyhow. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:46, August 5, 2019 (UTC)
For some reason, on the Dragon Ball Fandom app, there isn't an edit button. Could you please ask someone to add one as I can't edit.
gamma burst flash
that wasn't a single handed energy wave on the gamma burst flash page. that was actually a screenshot of it being powered up. it only look like he was using a one hand energy wave. because of the image and animation. but whatever. I didn't add it in the first anyway i only edited the page. Nikon23 23:20, August 11, 2019 (UTC)
I watched the scene over again and it looked like a single handed energy wave. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:49, August 12, 2019 (UTC)
Is "Hearts vs. Jiren! Fierce Battles in Universe 11" the official name of a sub arc? If so does it start from when the characters go to Universe 11? Just wondering because I'll need to add it into some of the character biographies like I did with the Dawn of War one.Bullza (talk) 23:43, August 15, 2019 (UTC)
It is official and starts from Universe 11. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:16, August 16, 2019 (UTC)
I believe you know this user, Jeangabin666, being that you were editing during the time when he was editing in this wikia from 2010-2014 (technically 2010-2016) and I've seen messages from you in his talk page. I'm not too familiar with this user being that I joined this wikia in 2018 two years before he stopped editing and became inactive though all I do know about him is that he has the highest edit count. It would've been good to know him if he was still active here. How was he like as an editor of this wiki? He must've been very dedicated to this wiki due to having 180K edits. Wonder why they never considered him for admin. I do know he was an admin in the Dr. Slump wiki. I heard that he was good editor but known for edit warring on some occasions. Would've still been good to know him if he was still here. I'm sure he is considered a legend by many people who knew him in this wiki due to the diligence, dedication and the amount of edits he's made to this wiki. Wish I knew him. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 18:58, August 16, 2019 (UTC))
Jean was a very good editor, though he and I always used to argue. He was kind of similar to DragonEmeperor in terms of skill and editing style and also caused the same kind of issues with making users feel unwelcome, which I assume is why he never ended up as an admin (back then admin meetings were done over email rather than on-wiki, so I don't know if he was ever considered for the role). He quit after he was blocked for one day over a minor incident, and never really came back. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:17, August 16, 2019 (UTC)
Oh I see. That kind of explains it because Dragon was so diligent to this wiki and wanted to do everything by himself that sometimes he didn't let others contribute to this wiki for the most part undoing their edits without explanation and trying to make the big edits for himself which probably explains his edit count and probably Jean's due to being similar to him to some extent. I actually wanted to quit this wiki because of Dragon's over stifling and controlling behavior and I guess some people with over 50K edits or even a 100K for that matter tend to be like that. I'm kind of like that sometimes because I always want to make sure articles are not presented with misinformation, vandalism free and in a way suited in the style of this wiki because now that Dragon is not around here like he used to to overlooks edits and make sure these things don’t occur sometimes (due to being blocked by Bullza because of the complaints and not coming back since the block) I have to do these things in place of him in order to keep this wiki safe from vandalism and misinformation but not to the cost of being too over stifling and making other users not feel welcomed here because I accept anyone that wants to contribute here. But being too over stifling can sometimes cause users like this to remove the right information or corrections made by other users which I have came across with Dragon a few times when he has removed my corrections and realized his mistakes. I've also done this before and made mistakes for removing correct information on a few occasions when I'm not sure if it is correct due to lack of trust of new information being presented because of lack of source and it being possible misinformation or just because I wasn't looking well and just went straight to removing it. I heard from Aussieboy that Meshack was also very similar to DragonEmeperor as well. Didn't get to know him either due to him being indefinitely blocked by 10X in 2016 before I even joined this wiki. I heard that many users had issues with him as well because of similar reasons why DragonEmeperor got blocked due to not allowing users to contribute enough to this wiki, edit warring reasons and being too controlling. But I can admit on some level that sometimes the complaining users are the ones trying to fight other users when they are just following site policy similar to the situation between me and TheCreepy904 concerning the English vs Japanese quote for the Super Saiyan Rosé page though I can admit I was being too overstifling and shouldn’t have turned a little quote into a big escalation caused by another user because most people rarely read the quotes and I should've let the Japanese quote slide since nobody would care anyways and both quotes will still be accepted as suitable for this wiki. Though if it is something in an article that is very significant and I don't accept the change another user made to it and I reverted it back, no matter how many times the user disagrees with me and wants to edit war, I would still contest the edit and leave it to the consensus or an admin to handle it if no consensus can be made and if a change is necessary. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 21:25, August 16, 2019 (UTC))
Meshack was also a diligent editor, but went against admin and community decisions, so ended up with multiple bans which culminated in an infinite ban. The SSR quote conflict was a real mess, but it ended well for all parties involved, so it's all good; early in my wiki career I had a similar dispute with Jeangabin over who invented the Supernova, though it did not escalate as much as the SSR quote issue did. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:47, August 16, 2019 (UTC)
Oh Okay. The Super Saiyan Rosé quote was really a huge mess. Kind of Creepy that escalated this whole situation by trying to still fight even while discussion was going on and was numerously violating the rules and edit warring even when told not to and making the situation bigger than it actually was but when it is all said and done it has been handled and I come to the understanding that I shouldn’t bother other users over something as trivial as a quote because at the end of the day most people won't pay attention to it or won't care about little tweaks or changes to it heck most users won’t care if it was changed to an entirely different quote because most users from what I've seem don’t regularly change or edit on the quotes so why bother fighting over it with another user that will escalate it when it really does little to the overall article. Don’t want to go through that situation again because of something so little that someone wants to fight over. Trying to take a break from being in escalating conflicts. Kind of doesn’t do good for both conflicting parties or any other users conflicting an edit made because it just leaves to further drama which I don’t want to be a part of and it just worth not conflicting anymore due to the escalation and is up to the admins to decide what happens. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 23:09, August 16, 2019 (UTC))
Jean was a Featured Wikian. Wow pretty cool. 180K edits though is pretty impressive. I felt like DragonEmeperor was trying to beat Jeangabin666 in edit counts that's why he kept hogging all the big edits for himself or with the addition of Dragon just being dedicated to this wiki as much as Jeangabin666 was. Though him leaving with 67K edits is also pretty impressive as well. Pretty high edit counts respectively by both users. 35K edits is also impressive Neff. Keep up the good work. One day I may try to catch up to you in edit counts but is just the matter of how much free time I have to be editing on this wiki everyday due to life situations. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 23:37, August 17, 2019 (UTC))
35K ain't all that impressive considering how long I've been here, but thanks. You have done well accruing such a large amount considering you've only been here a year, you probably will catch me eventually. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:51, August 18, 2019 (UTC)
Images with poor file names
Incase you didn’t get my last message:
“Template:Fair use, Same goes for the video game version of the fair use template. There is also a picture that is listed that doesn't exist. The file name says something like gamepad.svg but I can’t fully remember the name.” (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 14:44, August 21, 2019 (UTC))
Hi nice to meet you, I have noticed that there have been a constant influx of images uploaded with horrible file names and that do not conform to wiki standings but, there are far too many. I have been trying to help out by working with another user and by finding and replacing many of these images with higher quality ones that have appropriate naming standards and list images with the appropriate licenses. I have mentioned in discussions about possibly updating the image policy, but no one responds and many people just upload whatever they want. I want to be more of a help but I'm limited in what I can do as a regular user.--Tuxedo12 (talk) 20:23, August 27, 2019 (UTC)
I've seen the work you've been putting in, good job. It was decided recently that images would need to have good file names so you've been a great help, however it's very difficult to have users upload images with good filenames - we do currently have one user who has been telling up-loaders about this rule, and I have been trying to rename poorly named images when I have the time. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:36, August 27, 2019 (UTC)
The user "Sosuagwu17" keeps edit warring on Xeno Bardock's page, and so keeping a false information on the article.
Also, I've noticed this user appeared right after "DragonEmeperor" got his rightful ban. I've also noticed that he has been doing the same thing DragonEmeperor did (and seeing how he keeps edit warring, just like DragonEmeperor too), it should probably be better to check his IP, just to make sure. Bargeta (talk) 04:17, September 7, 2019 (UTC)
Because you were removing information without giving explanation why so I had to revert your edits because that seemed like valuable information that should be kept in the article. Plus you were the one initiating the edit war because you consistently kept putting back your edits when another user (which was me) was conflicting it and did so about 3 times which is edit warring if you look at the rules of the agreement which was to leave edit as it was before the disputed edit which is what I was doing though not exactly and I only put back the information that you removed when you revised it because there was no explanation of the removal. And do not say I am DragonEmeperor. I am in no way by a long shot him and I have been here way before DragonEmeperor was banned so there is no need to check my IP address and I was here when he was still editing here. I have experienced the issues that many users including myself had with him but for the most part he was a diligent editor and really kept doing things (mainly by himself) to fix the wiki that most users wouldn't do such as fixing links or character mentions whenever their names get changed (which I'm going to be working on), watching over vandalism, updating the wiki and being protective but too overprotective of the wiki to the point that users felt they had no way of contributing here because DragonEmeperor might interfere with their edit if even when they do a simple harmless edit which resulted in his ban but it was not his fault on some the issues many users had with him and this situation right now is a good example when users are not following the rules but try to get another user who is following the rules in trouble which is what happened to DragonEmeperor on some of the issues with him especially on edit warring which I am guilty of when coming across him but nevertheless the good aspects that DragonEmeperor brought to this wiki should most certainly not be forgotten. I see you have gotten blocked for the issue of edit warring before no wonder. Aussieboy has locked the page from being edited on so you can not edit war until this situation gets sorted out and I would advise you to give an explanation before removing information as another user may not agree with it and have no idea why a piece of information was removed when it has been in the article for so long and no one had a problem with until you saw it. Hopefully this situation doesn’t turn out like theCreepy904 situation as it would be too exhausting to deal with. Bargeta also told 10X to remove you from moderation in the Sanjuro wiki back when you blocked him for edit warring a while back and proceeded to intimidate 10X just because no one agreed with his edit warring behavior and try to point it at others for edit warring because he didn’t get his way which resulted in his 100 year block there as well. Just putting that out there.
Sosu is not Dragon (he's the one who caused Dragon to get blocked, and he actually communicates). I looked at the edit war and I don't see Sosu adding any false info? It's fine to undo an edit if you dispute it, but you always need to make sure and give an explanation (unless it's blatant vandalism). I'm aware Bargeta wanted me gone, I don't have a problem with it and it has nothing to do with the current situation. Anyhow Aussie locked the page and it was reverted to it's last state, so take this time to discuss your edits, preferably on the talk page. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:04, September 7, 2019 (UTC)
It's not that I was adding any false info, I was reverting Bargeta's edits because he kept removing a piece of information without providing an explanation or at least a source to consider it for removal from the article. But I hope we can discuss this and come to an agreement. Honestly I don’t have great knowledge on what is said on power sections for certain articles because I rarely work on those sections and sometimes I work on them if I find information to put on there or there is grammatical issues. But when a regular user (not an admin) is removing pieces of information in an article without explaining why, then I am forced to put it back because the information could still be valuable even if he provides an explanation for the removal. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 15:00, September 7, 2019 (UTC))
He added it. Xeno Bardock has never fought against Trunks in the manga. That was "main timeline Bardock". Xeno Bardock first appeared in the SDBH2, in the manga, he first appeared in that special chapter where he fought Xeno Paragus and Xeno King Vegeta. Bargeta (talk) 16:05, September 7, 2019 (UTC)
I did not add it. I was actually reverting your edits because you were removing information without explaining why. If you would have explained that in your edit summary then this probably wouldn’t be a problem but even so when you decide to remove information that has been in article for a very long time, you should disclose why it should be removed in the talkpage to let others know why it needs to be removed until a final decision is made. Another user wouldn't know why a piece of information was removed without explanation and so are forced to put back the information because they think it is possibly valuable even if they don’t know much of what is said in that information or think they are vandalizing the page by removing content from page without explanation. You have been warned about this by Neff before so you should know by now not to do that.(Sosuagwu17 (talk) 16:59, September 7, 2019 (UTC))
There is only one Bardock in the SDBH manga, that's made clear in the special chapter so I don't see why you think there are two. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:23, September 7, 2019 (UTC)
Yes. According to the information presented in main timeline Bardock's page he is only mentioned to have appeared in the Dragon Ball Heroes game not any Dragon Ball Heroes manga. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 18:05, September 7, 2019 (UTC))
- There isn't. The Bardock who fights Trunks and then Mira is the main timeline one. The Bardock who fights Paragus and King Vegeta is another. There's nothing in the manga that suggests otherwise. Bargeta (talk) 18:57, September 7, 2019 (UTC)
Where is your source to prove this? Neff and I believe there is only one version of Bardock in the Super Dragon Ball Heroes manga which is Xeno Bardock. Show us the source where you think it was main timeline Bardock. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 02:21, September 8, 2019 (UTC))
In the special chapter, Bardock picks up his broken mask saying he left it there previously. --Neffyarious (talk) 02:21, September 8, 2019 (UTC)
Source is necessary in order to likely win an argument in a disagreement over a disputed edit so please provide us with a source if you can so both parties can understand ones side to the disagreement and come into terms what needs to be kept or changed. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 02:31, September 8, 2019 (UTC))
He does. Check pages: 1, 9, 10. They make it clear there's one Bardock. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:30, September 9, 2019 (UTC)
I did, there is nothing. If it is correct, Xeno Bardock only says he will use the mask's power again. But since he comes from a different dimension (stated in V-Jump) and we don't know his backstory at all, you can't just assume "again" means the same events main timeline Bardock experienced. Bargeta (talk) 17:22, September 9, 2019 (UTC)
On page one he flashes back to chap1. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:24, September 9, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:32, September 9, 2019 (UTC)
He's thinking back to a part of Chapter 1. Why do you think there are two Bardocks in DBH when nothing indicates as such? --Neffyarious (talk) 11:56, September 10, 2019 (UTC)
I suppose it's not since a week has passed. Perhaps Bargeta has not noticed or had time to reply. --Neffyarious (talk) 19:49, September 16, 2019 (UTC)
Do you know....
1. If the "Unnamed Third Part" of the Universe Conflict Saga has a name yet. I need something to separate the sections on the character pages because right now it looks like everything is part of the whole Hearts vs Jiren arc, unless I made one up for the time being as a placeholder.
- How did you find out for the other two? Thanks for the summary.Bullza (talk) 20:26, September 7, 2019 (UTC)
A list of them was posted by a user on Kanzenshuu on their DBH discussion at one point. --Neffyarious (talk) 01:54, September 8, 2019 (UTC)
- I did up most of that page but the summary you linked to doesn't include the end of the chapter. The whole bit after Gohan vs. Shroom, with Fin, Broly, Towa and Chamel that wasn't included in the summary. Is there another one? I've had to put something brief there in it's place for the time being. It'll do if need be because I doubt many people read these pages to begin with.Bullza (talk) 14:15, September 8, 2019 (UTC)
I'm doing good thanks, haven't heard from you in a while. --Neffyarious (talk) 23:46, September 8, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah ive hit a few speedbumps in life but im back on track was playing xenoverse 2 and it made me wanna check the wiki. Glad to hear your doing well my friend. --Supremegogeta 00:01, September 9, 2019 (UTC)
That's good, feel free to stop by whenever. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:24, September 9, 2019 (UTC)
Something I thought about
You added King Vegeta's assessment of Super Saiyan 4 being Great Ape condensed, and King Vegeta himself had never seen a Golden Great Ape either, so would it really be accurate to put a plain old Great Ape there instead of putting it as being Golden Great Ape condensed since that is what Perfect Guides allude to it being anyway?? FlatZone (talk) 16:44, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
K. Vegeta just said Great Ape, so that's what we have to put in relation to whats said in DBH. What does the Perfect Guide say exactly? --Neffyarious (talk) 17:16, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
Actually the guides have also called the Golden Great Ape by the name Great Ape too, and they even call people using Golden Great Ape as plain old Great Ape such as Great Ape Baby Vegeta, Great Ape Broly, Great Ape GT Goku, and Great Ape Cunber. Also the guides say pretty much what King Vegeta says but they say Golden Great Ape instead. So maybe in the Golden Great Ape page we should note that although the user is using Golden Great Ape, the form is almost always referred to as just a Great Ape anyway?? FlatZone (talk) 17:37, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
We already have Great Ape under Alt Names on Golden Great Ape. I checked the GTPF and it just says SS4 combines GGA's power with human reason, no implications on condensing. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:52, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
On another topic
https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:640914#62 He is back at it with his bs after you gave him that condition, he needs to be blocked again. I am going to stop commenting to him because he is getting on my and other users nerves and he will just drag me down with him if I don't stop. Can you handle this please?? FlatZone (talk) 18:10, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
I'll talk to him. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:18, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
I would be thankful if u will talk to him as well, coming here and pretending to be the sacred one in this escalation is a fabrication of the truth. TIA. --Israelite Wolfman (talk) 18:31, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
Indeed, Chrome is also at fault for helping cause this to escalate, so I'll talk to him to. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:39, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
I also hope that flatzone will get a warning as well. he was also very aggressive in the comments he had just now deleted, the fact he came here to complain is beyond hypocrisy if u will read his comments over that topic. I don't understand why people come to bash rather than participate in a community discussion.--Israelite Wolfman (talk) 18:54, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
I deleted my comments because arguing with you is pointless. You love to insult other users, and you don't understand the difference between opinions and facts. I have already admitted I got carried away and I deleted those comments and stopped talking to you. Chrome also stopped talking to you. Why you haven't been blocked for breaking your agreement I don't understand. FlatZone (talk) 19:00, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
I'm not going to waste any of my time in explaining u what is a fact (given recycled designs) and what is an opinion; probably because I have been a contributor to this Wiki ever since 2006 when I started? Which is even prior to this admin, u can't force anyone to leave here, I just hope the admins caught a look at those sayings of urs.--Israelite Wolfman (talk) 19:04, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
Indeed Flat should not have caused the discussion to further escalate, but he quickly came to me to have it resolved. --Neffyarious (talk) 19:16, September 14, 2019 (UTC)
I understand I became heated, I will attempt to be more level headed in the future.
I do feel as though he was the direct cause, I attempted to remain polite and discuss but he started setting in with insults about my mental stability and depression along with my age.
Meanwhile I did not ever insult him. Not once did I call him a child, question his sanity nor say he was depressed.
In an attempt to have some grounds to report me on he acted as if I was threatening him with a quote from an animated movie I like. This was not in any way the intention and was meant as me calling him out for what he was doing. Running away to try and appear like he had not lost the debate when l, in fact, he had.
All this is not to excuse my own continuance of the issue it is just to say I do not believe he should be allowed to run rampant and insult people and act as if he is just above it all. I was busy today so I did not get to view FlatZones messages, however from our recent conversations I can say FlatZone has remained respectful despite our differing opinions. Chrome0X (talk) 00:16, September 15, 2019 (UTC)
Nobody had lost in any debate, I have brought the examples in both text and images form to demonstrate how bad modern Dragon Ball era is, u 2 couldn't contradict it and lost the debate u urself had started. I won't let u downplay the fact u have moved into physical threats (regardless of ur ability to pursue them), mockingly questioning my age and intelligence (again as the last side note) and spam BS about my mental health (which is very well, in case u were interested..), so don't act like a "saint" here nor in flatzone's talkpage. I'm not going to argue with u about hanging out on this last or any Friday night, if u think that me hanging out is "running away" and celebrating it as if u won a war, be my guest. Each have their lives and I'm not going to criticize ur decision of how to spend ur time. I was more than clear that u had no place in my topic discussion after u had moved into losing ur temper and supporting a new user here like flatzone who tried to expell me (that's why he came here in the first place, and failed to achieve it LOL) who had been here since almost day 1 is pathetic. ur the one responsible for ur own heated tempo nobody else is. FTR I had remained calm throughout this whole thing, both here and in the bar, I doubt any of u who chose to use verbal violence can say the same. I'm not going to let u downplay ur bad deeds and honestly I hope that the people who were nominated admins here won't either.--Israelite Wolfman (talk) 06:32, September 15, 2019 (UTC)
My message is meant for the admin, please stop instigating and allow them to read it. My posts never question your mental health, depression, or mocked your age. Neither were any threats made. Chrome0X (talk) 10:37, September 15, 2019 (UTC)
REALLY? don't make me laugh, these are all stuff u did. I just hope the person whom ur writing here to will have a look at ur comments' history in case u edited them. I won't back down when u lie about me or the chain of vile events by u. If the admins here want to know the truth, it's right there. I don't need threats about blocking me, I am only editing here on my free time, then I'll have me some more of it, it's not like they plan to level up my user anyhows despite my older mileage here than theirs.--Israelite Wolfman (talk) 10:40, September 15, 2019 (UTC)
Dxrd, I told you even if you are not the instigator you are still not allowed to insult anyone and must remain respectful, which you did not do. Chrome to my talk page acting civilized and you need to do the same, as I said on your talk you need to make this right or I will have to return your block. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:41, September 15, 2019 (UTC)
Super Saiyan God
Is Super Saiyan God supposed to be listed in the Super Saiyan transformation line section of the Super Saiyan article? I don't see it there and I wonder if it should be listed there just out of curiosity before making any changes to that section. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 07:06, September 17, 2019 (UTC))
It's listed on the page under "Related transformations". --Neffyarious (talk) 11:40, September 17, 2019 (UTC)
Uh, Hello Neffyarious! I have a thing i need to talk with you, you know the user Sosuagwu17, right? I see he still a troublemaker, i made a edit in the page "Final Blow" about the Ultra Pack 1 in Xenoverse 2, where it gains a new version, but he suddenly erased my edit! I made it again, and he erased it again... Also, always when i make a new page, he in few seconds edit it to looks like was he made it! Now he dont even edit my pages, he always erase my edit to the last edit, he dont even read it! And it didnt happens only to me, today he is making it with basically any page which have an edit, it is extremely annoiying, can you make something about it? Me and a lot of users would be greatful, thanks for the attention! —This unsigned comment was made by RebirthArtOFC (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
Because your grammar was poor and I saw no newer variation of the attack. Unless you provide me with a source I'm going to have to revert your edits because I believe there is no newer variation of the attack used by Blue Evolution Vegeta and I checked the attack and it looked about the same for other characters that had used the attack in Xenoverse 2. But if you want to discuss this we can bring it to the Final Blow talkpage. I explained it to you why I erased your edit in my edit summary the second time you put it there. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 01:19, September 18, 2019 (UTC))
It is literally the same move with the same name too, its just copied pasted and tweaked a bit for Blue Evolved Vegeta. I think the tweaks that were made could be noted though. FlatZone (talk) 01:32, September 18, 2019 (UTC)
OOOOOOOOOOOOH, Sure! That explain everything! Even more because you NEVER changed the grammar on my pages! Even more because you read it in seconds! And you want proofs? SURE! You can just search for videos about the Ultra Pack 1 and watch videos with the normal Final Blow, you probably NEVER played Xenoverse 2. You erase my edits without even reading it, it is totally nonsense, stop with it, it is annoiyng, until now, all your edits was totally unnecessary, man, you put the category Energy Sphere in the Gigantic Full Blast! It isnt only the Final Blow, it is all your unnecessary edits. —This unsigned comment was made by RebirthArtOFC (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
And I have to go against your argument about me editing a new page that was created by you to make it look like I created. As an editor I have every right to edit a page whether it was newly created page or has been around for a long time because I am a contributor here and as a contributor I have to make a page look in the best way possible or add in new information if needed in a newly created page or old pages so that's not something to really argue about. I have been fixing grammar mistakes you've made on the pages you have created too.(Sosuagwu17 (talk) 01:39, September 18, 2019 (UTC))
It still dont explain why you reverted a edit which didnt changed anything, it was must more like you wanted your edit retained, because if you at least read it, you should had noted i didint changed anything. —This unsigned comment was made by RebirthArtOFC (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
I wasn't sure if it should be kept there especially when the grammar was bad and I couldn’t fully understand what the text was saying that I had to revert the edit and also due to a lack of source even when putting it back when I reverted your edits the first time and there was no clarification to me so I had to revert it again. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 01:59, September 18, 2019 (UTC))
All you can say is about my grammar and lack of information? First, my language is not really English, I'm learning, and second, you can search for yourself, there are some things you don't know, and if you search you can find them instead of simply editing it, there are lots of Super Dragon Ball Heroes videos and one Official Site that you can access whenever you want, this is the link: http://www.carddass.com/dbh/ Also, if you want you can search with Kanjis for attacks like Wild Dance Annihilation on Youtube, you will find lots of videos, and about Final Blow, I already said. —This unsigned comment was made by RebirthArtOFC (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
- Thanks for the info and I rechecked the Final Blow comparison between regular SSB Vegeta using it versus SSB Evolved Vegeta using it in Xenoverse 2 and they are slightly different that one dashes toward the opponent when using it and can perform the attack whenever they are close enough to the opponent while the other one can just teleport and perform the attack regardless of the distance so those differences should be noted but are nonetheless the same attack. Sorry for any reversions of your edits as I wasn't sure. I'll try to explain my reversions better in either the edit summaries or the respective talkpages. I know how it feels when your edits get reverted and there is no explanation why because I have come across a user that has done that to me when I first started editing here but it was not out of ill will and this was a regular issue with him that so many users had with him so I don’t want to end up doing the same thing he did but I still respect the good aspects he brought here that many users failed to recognize just because they were solely demonizing him for the bad aspects about him that led to his block and break from editing here for a while. He was diligent nonetheless and tried to fix the wiki by himself in his own way even if other users didn’t like it especially when he fixes their mistakes. He was the second highest contributor here and deserved to be an admin and would've became one had it not been this issue. Whenever I revert any of your edits I'll try to explain my reversions better so I won't be viewed here as a troublemaker. I'm just trying to make the articles look the best way possible with the addition of making sure that correct information are being presented and be vandalism free because false information or unsure information can also be considered vandalism that’s why I revert them if they seem or are sure it is such. My actions may seem very annoying to so many users including new users when I do that but if you have edited here as long as I did and know why I do that then you will understand. But I do sincerely apologize if I caused you any trouble with your experience editing here. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 02:35, September 18, 2019 (UTC))
- Welll... It was... Honest, sorry if i offended you, i understand what you are doing, and i think i will just try to pretend like that discussion never existed, hope we can have a better relationship in the future, and actually, thanks for telling me about references, i will try to improve about it, hope you forgive me —This unsigned comment was made by RebirthArtOFC (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
- No problem. I hope we can really work together and cooperate better as fellow editors of this wiki. If we disagree on things we should approach things the right way before consulting an admin so situations like this can be handled properly and not make one or more users mad to the point of escalation of a conflict. I really do hope we can have a better relationship in the future. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 21:12, September 18, 2019 (UTC))
Good to see that the two of you appear to have resolved this without my help. --Neffyarious (talk) 09:16, September 18, 2019 (UTC)
Is this speculation by any chance? . I know this user has a reputation of adding high amounts of speculation into articles even though his edits seem legit and he's good at filling up information in pages that needs to be filled. Better good to check his edits just in case. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 00:56, September 19, 2019 (UTC))
- Yeah it is speculation. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:49, September 19, 2019 (UTC)
So just to be sure because I don't follow the game or the cards, there is no Xeno Dabura right? Because this page Dabura, uses the term Xeno Dabura a lot and I'll go through it and remove it and from other pages if it's definitely not a thing. I imagine not or there would have been a page for it but best to ask first.Bullza (talk) 16:29, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
- Ok so the Dabura from Super Dragon Ball Heroes, the one in the Dark Demon Realm manga...that is Xeno Dabura? Because he has the same undergarment - in these pictures. So it's the same Dabura from DBZ but they just happen to call him Xeno Dabura? It's not like Xeno Frieza?Bullza (talk) 18:29, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah its just a differentiation thing like "Kid Gohan"/"Teen Gohan" in this case. Demon God Dabura is "Xeno Dabura", but I'm pretty sure he's just called "Demon God Dabura" in game. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:59, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
Fan colored image
This picture is from the colored manga, right ?; Because TheCreepy904 believes its fan colored and I gave my opinion about it, on the talk page, but I believe nobody saw, what I wrote.--Mgdodl (talk) 17:06, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
It's from the Japanese DBS manga site, they occasionally released a colored panel from a chapter to promote it, such as that one. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:14, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I didn't know it had been removed. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:56, September 22, 2019 (UTC)
This user keeps coming back with this nonsense concerning the Funimation voice actors leaks and won't leave the community alone.. He previously vandalized the Goten, Chi-Chi and Mr. Satan articles as a joke to this trend and I had to revert his edits like 50 times before I reported him to 0551E80Y and YonedgeHp blocked him for 2 weeks for inserting false information, vandalism and edit warring. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 19:48, September 23, 2019 (UTC))
I gave him a month long block, if he comes back after then and continues we'll probably have to give him an infinite. --Neffyarious (talk) 19:51, September 23, 2019 (UTC)
Yeah it's a sock so I blocked it. --Neffyarious (talk) 21:12, September 25, 2019 (UTC)
He edit wars with me, and calls me a dink twice which is another name for a clown. He is back at it AGAIN and of course he chooses me to do it with AGAIN. FlatZone (talk) 17:36, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
Well, he's disputing your edit so you need to use talk. I'll warn him for insulting you though. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:38, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
He is the only one disputing it as usual, and he will never agree with anything I post, he has this weird kind of hate for me and I don't even know him. So if we leave it to him alone the edit which is entirely accurate will never be done. FlatZone (talk) 17:39, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
You put it on the talk page, then immediately added it to the page, then it was disputed by someone who thinks it is wrong. So a consensus needs to be reached on talk, or if nobody replies for long enough it can be added. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:42, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
Here is the issue. He has yet to, and never once has actually provided proof to debunk the proof I have brought. He is only disagreeing with the edits and is never actually proving them wrong. THIS edit has YET to be disproven/debunked while on the other hand I have posted the screen captures from GT and a link to the translation from Herms on Kanzenshuu. So even if he did dispute it doesn't he need to prove it wrong? and if he can't do that then the edit should go through, should it not?? FlatZone (talk) 17:46, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
You just did the edit and put it on talk today, he does not have to reply immediately. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:59, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
It's generally agreed to be okay to put in after a week here with no response. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:03, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
Also, according to that then in a week if he hasn't proven it wrong and not other user proves it wrong then the edit should go through. I will put a reminder on my calendar. FlatZone (talk) 20:09, September 26, 2019 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there's a way to message privately, unless you have discord? --Neffyarious (talk) 17:03, September 27, 2019 (UTC)
Tell me your ID and add me (Robo Roaster#9073). --Neffyarious (talk) 10:05, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
Removing Talk Page Comments
So I left a comment on Rogeta's talk page, backing up FlatZone and pointing out some of Rogeta's hypocrisy and rude behaviours, as I've seen him belittle and bully people a few times on this wiki. He removed the comment, then I re-added it, changing it to be a bit less harshly worded and yet he removed it again claiming it as harassment. Admittedly I called him insufferable but the comment as a whole was meant to warn him away from such behaviour as he has shown in the past and continued to despite being directed multiple times to not. In this case is he in the right to remove my comments? Tenevhrael (talk) 13:28, September 27, 2019 (UTC)
I think he has the right to remove messages unless they are part of an ongoing discussion, though if the user finds them insulting or harassment they can be removed. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:20, September 27, 2019 (UTC)
Your message was quite harsh Tenev, please make sure and be polite when messaging other users, even when they are at fault or are insulting to you (and if they are insulting you you go to an admin). --Neffyarious (talk) 17:33, September 27, 2019 (UTC)
Flat's uncalled for behavior continues.
He just attack me on Discord by saying that I was some "dumbass Autistic kid with Asperger's", thought I was a furry, and called me a ****ing loser. The worst part is I didn't even provoke him and I have Asperger's, so that hurts me. Please prevent his behavior from continuing on this wiki. Rogeta234 (talk) 23:08, September 27, 2019 (UTC)
Guess what? The arguments we have on discord, in MY server where I am the mod? they do not apply here no matter what they are about. I have not attacked you here. You on the other hand have attacked me here. Business on this wikia stays on this wikia. FlatZone (talk) 00:55, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
Also you were the one who started the insults on discord, you called me a bipedal slug, not even acknowleding what I was saying to you so then I proceeded to insult you back and of course you like to lie about it. I can't get in trouble for an altercation that we had on discord, in my server, where again I am the owner of and the mod. FlatZone (talk) 01:00, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
Whether it happened here or not, one's behavior can't be ignored. That's the way how it goes. Besides, you're the one who attacked me first on Discord. I was just trying to bury the hatchet, but you just couldn't let it go. Rogeta234 (talk) 01:42, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
Incorrect again. My behavior HERE reflects what happens here, I already had this conversation with the actual fandom staff and your falsities won't fool anyone. You also did not try to bury a hatchet and that is another bald faced lie. FlatZone (talk) 01:44, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
This has really gotten out of hand. I'm pretty sure that you can't dodge the wiki's rules just by taking a conversation that started on wiki off to discord, I'll need to check. --Neffyarious (talk) 10:07, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
Already talked to fandom staff. We had an argument on discord, no matter what that argument pertains to it I can't get in trouble for it there. Also he started insulting me and called me a bipedal slug there. That is what started it there. It has BEEN getting out of hand because you NEVER deal with Rogeta, he continues to edit war with others here and continues to call me names and edit war with me. He even insults me on discord in my own server. Then he comes here about it. FlatZone (talk) 15:51, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
He's been warned for the insults, another one and he would have been given a block (so he will get one if it turns out what is said on discord is applicable and you will be given a warning). In this case he was not edit warring, so no warning for that. --Neffyarious (talk) 16:33, September 28, 2019 (UTC)
This user changed the name of Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods into Dragon Ball Super: Battle Gods. Can you delete the Dragon Ball Super: Battle of Gods redirect as I changed the name back to what it originally was. Also Neff I'm begging you please lock all the movie articles indefinitely to where admins are the only ones able to move it. I'm tired of seeing vandal users changing page names of articles into totally wrong names just so they can be trolls and ruin pages for people who read the content here. It's just annoying. They keep messing up the pages. Please lock all the movie pages from being moved because it's possible that a person can vandalize a page and no one notices it until months later example of one user changing the name of Fortuneteller Baba into Fortunesmeller on May and nobody caught it until September of this day. I'm begging you and want to make a request for all the movie pages to be locked indefinitely from moving to where only admins can move it since admins are the most trusted users on this site. Please don't do it autoconfirmed because there are even autoconfirmed users that vandalize and move pages to wrong names example being Yaronos who was blocked for 6 months for messing up the Goku Black article. I'm begging you Neff. This is just a request and if you don't want to do it then that’s fine. It’s not like they can't edit the page, its just that they can be prevented from moving the pages since they don’t even need renaming to begin with. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 01:24, September 29, 2019 (UTC))
- I deleted the redirects. I'll see about locking the page names too for the movie titles.Bullza (talk) 01:31, September 29, 2019 (UTC)
- All the Dragon Ball, Z and Super movies plus three TV movies have been changed so that only admins can change the name of the page....I think. Try to see if you can rename it if you can't then it's worked.Bullza (talk) 01:46, September 29, 2019 (UTC)
I can't so it worked. Thank you very much Bullza. Now I don't have to worry about users renaming the movie pages to completely wrong names and it is up to the admins at this point to decide if any movie needs renaming. Also can you do the protection for the talkpages just in case as well. If you can do that or you feel it is necessary to do it for the talkpages of the movies please do it as well. Thank you for locking the movie pages from being renamed. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 01:53, September 29, 2019 (UTC))
Why doesn't he ever communicate when users send him messages especially if they are warnings? Does he not ever go to his talkpage or what? That is mainly why he was blocked from Zeldapedia because of that. I think that's just wierd for a user who regularly edits here yet never responds to people in his talk or probably has never sent a message to other people either. It's like he is in his own world. He does a lot here but I find it wierd that he rarely talks to anybody and he's been editing in this wiki since 2009. Wow pretty crazy after all these years of editing yet never communicates or spoken with others. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 10:57, September 29, 2019 (UTC))
It is quite peculiar, perhaps they are the type who does not like interacting with people online? --Neffyarious (talk) 11:01, September 29, 2019 (UTC)
- Oh I see. But it would still be nice to get some help from him since he fills up sections with loads of information but due to his lack of communication it is pretty much useless to ask any help from him. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 11:24, September 29, 2019 (UTC))
Also, can you help write the appearance description of the Appearance sections for Android 8 and Master Shen since I really don't know what to write for those sections for them and I would appreciate some help if you can do them. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 11:28, September 29, 2019 (UTC))
Sure. --Neffyarious (talk) 11:31, September 29, 2019 (UTC)
2 users Removing Content from pages
InvadeMajor still continues to remove content from pages after Bullza warned and told him about it. I tried getting in touch with Bullza and Aussieboy to deal with the vandal but they're taking too long to respond or do anything so I contacted VSTF as well but for some unknown reason they haven’t done anything which is frustrating considering another user named CWIRRED has done the same thing and still vandalized the Goku page by removing all content and replacing it with KURWA and I reported that also to them. Please take care of these vandals. The wiki could use some help. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 02:12, October 2, 2019 (UTC))
Need a name
We could do with a name for this Unnamed Third Part on the Universal Conflict Saga because I need something to divide the sections on the character pages because right now it all looks like its part of the Universe 11 stuff still. I don't want to put Unnamed Third Part there because that's tacky so is there one? If not we should make one up temporarily, any ideas?Bullza (talk) 17:52, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
Since the new DBH update is coming out soon we might get a name over the next few days, maybe check the Kanzenshuu forum? Otherwise if we don't get one we could just go with something like "Battle in Universe 7". --Neffyarious (talk) 17:56, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
- That's what I thought first but that's similar to the Battles in Universe 11 one, so how about "Confrontation in Universe 7 Saga"?Bullza (talk) 18:09, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
We shouldn't put Saga if we're using a fan title. But otherwise that would be fine. --Neffyarious (talk) 18:12, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
- Oh and another thing and I brought this up on the Manual of Style page a while back but nobody answered. I don't know what it says in the rules about it but do you think this whole Dragon Ball Heroes section should still be lumped in with the Other Dragon Ball Stories section? Because it's become fairly a meaty series in it's own right now, with an anime and a manga, made up of it's own sagas, featuring a lot of characters, for over a past year and it looks like it's going to keep on going for a good while possibly. Yet it's just dumped down there along sandwiched between things like FighterZ and Detective Vegeta and other minor things like the 30th Anniversary Manga and the 4-D showed etc. At this point it feels like it's outgrown where it is.Bullza (talk) 18:41, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
The Japanese name for this part of the saga is 第7宇宙頂上決戦. It roughly translates to "Universe 7 Summit Battle", but having little experience with Japanese I can't be more accurate than that. Dominodalek (talk) 18:46, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
Oh, thanks Dominodalek. Bullza, would you suggest DBH getting it's own section? or being moved into the main bio? We could raise the need for this change on the MoS talk and alert all the admins to comment on it.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:48, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
- Lol and just when I went and finished putting in the current name. I'll change it to that then, accurate or not, when I get the chance. Neffy I'll make a longer post on the MoS after this but I would suggest one of those things yes, when I came up with the idea for the Other Dragon Ball Stories a few years back it was in mind with keeping all the smaller one off things together in one place. Something like Heroes though has become a pretty large and prominent sub series though so it doesn't seem fitting anymore.Bullza (talk) 18:54, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
Ah that's unlucky. I agree that DBH probably deserves better treatment than being thrown in the other stories, honestly it might actually be deserving of going in the main bio, though it getting it's own section may be better for covering it as a whole (anime/manga/game). --Neffyarious (talk) 18:59, October 10, 2019 (UTC)
- You should probably ask the bureaucrats before you ask me, I'm only supposed to use my manager rights when necessary and otherwise am meant to act as an admin while here. --Neffyarious (talk) 20:25, October 17, 2019 (UTC)
Bullza agrees that we should remove Shakuran13’s admin rights since he is already in the retired list. Same goes for retired chat and discussions moderators like Liquid Speaker and all the inactive bureaucrats who haven’t edited in a very long time to keep everything current. I feel it is necessary to use your wiki manager rights for this just to update everything but maybe we should also wait for input from 10X's or just go along with it. I think we should do this so we can update the admin roster page and list all the inactive bureaucrats as retired and remove their bureaucrat rights respectively as well as the rights of retired chat moderators, discussions moderators and retired admin Shakuran13. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 21:42, October 17, 2019 (UTC))
Just need to check that it's okay to do so. --Neffyarious (talk) 22:15, October 17, 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah it wouldn't be a bad idea to rein in the amount of privileges that's scattered around, keep it under control more so we are more in tune with who has what. I would be able to remove most these privileges but there's some you can't, I can make someone a bureaucrat but I can't take that away from them. I don't know if the wiki manager is able to otherwise I think it's something that has to be requested of the staff over at the main community central wiki.Bullza (talk) 23:21, October 17, 2019 (UTC)
Wiki Managers can actually remove Bureaucrat rights but I think Neff might be waiting for input from the staff or 10X. So he is checking to see if it is okay before the decision to do it comes about. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 23:32, October 17, 2019 (UTC))
Indeed I can remove admin and bureaucrat rights. I've gotten the okay to do so for our retired members. --Neffyarious (talk) 13:55, October 18, 2019 (UTC)