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An edit war

1Risingdracyan1 was edit warring and I had let him/her know about the site policy and after that and then used the talk page and then made the edit again.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:09,5/30/2016 

Hey, I'm a little confused on your phrasing there. Are you saying that Dracyan made the edit after using the talk page? It seems like he tried sorting things out with you on your own talk page, maybe he thought he was in the clear afterwards. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:51, May 30, 2016 (UTC)
He/she (since I really don't pay attention and don't care what gender their user page says they are) made the edit then I disputed it then they remade it then I undone that edit and messaged them about site policy then they got back on and remade the edit again then used the article talk page I undone the edit again then they remade it and so on. Bottom line is that he/she failed to follow site policy and the first message on my talk page from the user was after the second edit and the last message was after the last edit.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:07,5/30/2016 
That just confused me a bit more. Did Dracyan make or undo the same edit over three times in 24 hours before leaving a message on your talk page? -- Final ChidoriTalk 02:23, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

I left my comment on the article talk page. This seems pretty clear. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:57, May 30, 2016 (UTC)

Users to block.

Can you block this guy . he's created this . also this guy's been advertising . 0551E80Y (talk) 11:52, June 3, 2016 (UTC)

Both users have been globally blocked across all Wikia sites. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:10, June 4, 2016 (UTC)

Idea, Follow Up and Question

A few months ago, there was a discussion with Meshack about making separate sections for Dragon Ball Super and the movies. I suggested on making a section in the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F, but after going through some wikis I was thinking of doing something similar to this: Anime-Manga Differences. This way all the differences will be in one section instead of multiple pages.
Also I noticed that we have multiple images of the same poster and/or scene, should we keep the best one while deleting the duplicates and avoiding cluster or it doesn't matter. The Rush (talk) 17:11, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Having an article like that seems like an interesting idea, but not a replacement for having the info in articles as well. It makes me wonder what is the benefit of having the same info in 2 places? Deleting duplicate images in an article and only leaving the best is always good. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:59, June 6, 2016 (UTC)
How about we do both? We can do a short section in the Battle of Gods and Resurrection F pages while also leaving a main article link. This way if fans want to check out more differences, they can go to the "main page" and read all the difference between Dragon Ball (Z & Super) and their anime counterparts.
Awesome. I mark a few images with Candidates for Deletion since 1) We have a higher quality one or 2) We have the same pic multiple times. It's kind of difficult since many users just add pics without placing them in their respective galleries or checking if do have them. If we have a pic in a gallery and someone adds the same pic (with a different name) to an article, which one should we keep and which one should we delete? The Rush (talk) 00:05, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Removing images from articles is different than deleting them. If they should be removed from the article, edit the article and delete the image link. There is generally no need to delete the file itself. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:28, June 9, 2016 (UTC)


There's a person making spam/advertisement pages, I'm pretty sure it's an sock of the previous two accounts that advertised, they're all uploading the same image. IP ban, maybe? -- Final ChidoriTalk 22:25, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Got 'em, thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:03, June 6, 2016 (UTC)

Monaka Saga doesn't exist!

you're rude comment on the monaka saga talk page. was uncalled for and you call your self a administrator. you're source for your made up saga, that never existed in the first place! [1] Nikon23 02:15, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't a source, and still. Those episodes do not relate to Universe 6 Saga in nothing so the made up term is justified {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}} 20:12, June 7, 2016 (UTC)

Easy there, Nikon, I don't think 10X meant to offend you. Let's just focus on the actual subject, there's no need to start arguments over an issue that's pretty trivial in the grand scheme of the wiki. I personally don't like adding "fake"/unofficial sagas, but I'm satisfied with a notice on the top of the page explaining that it's not an official saga. -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:18, June 7, 2016 (UTC)
First off, this discussion is already taking place on the article talk page and need not be replicated here. Second, there is no official definition for the saga breakdown yet, so either way we decide is only temporary until we get the official info. Third, when I pointed this out to you Nikon23, your response what not to produce an official source but rather "you're spreading false information. It doesn't exist. It's not a real saga. This us beyond ridiculous and laughable. You can't really take anything as valid information from this wiki anymore". Oh, there's no official stance for this particular naming convention so you say this entire wiki is invalid? I called your response (not you as a person) extreme and ill-formed, and that's true. It's not rude, it's the appropriate response to such an extreme reply that ignores my call for encyclopedic content. All saga names are unofficial until they are defined officially. We can either pretend there are no sagas at all yet, or do our best to sort things out until something official is released. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:38, June 9, 2016 (UTC)

Picture and quote changes.

I think some of the pictures are misplaced for some of the transformation pages. Mind if I add some pictures that would be better replacements? Also, I think we shouldn't use quotes from DBKAI. I think much of the dialogue is kind of lame and unoriginal. If you want, I can replace it sometime. Note me what your opinion is on the subject.Rogeta234 (talk) 19:02, June 10, 2016 (UTC)

Isn't Kai's dialogue more accurately translated and more faithful to the original? -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:53, June 10, 2016 (UTC)
All versions are original and accurate in their own way. Ocean, FUNimation and Kai all are valid and original versions. Kai is just more close to the manga. Doesn't mean the other versions are incorrect or wrong. Pretty sure the quotes on the main-page are switched up no matter the dub. Not favoring a specific dub as far as I know. --Riptoze 00:34, June 11, 2016 (UTC)
In their own way, yes, but I meant accurate in regards to the original continuity, if that makes sense. Some dubs take too many liberties and change things up leaving plotholes. I remember one dub saying that Bardock was a "brilliant scientist" out of nowhere, that wouldn't exactly be a good thing to quote. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:49, June 11, 2016 (UTC)

In most cases, if you find a better pic or quote then you should change it as you please. If someone thinks you made a bad edit, they will undo it and you can discuss together which is best. For quotes, no source is better automatically. We should be choosing quotes that show the character's personality well, make some sense out of context as a stand-alone statement, and are interesting. Dubs often do a better job of translating the emotions and meaning of a scene than a literal word-for-word translation such as a fan-sub. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:37, June 12, 2016 (UTC)


A user renamed Goku Black to Black without a consensus being reached and he accidently messed a few things up by creating some extra pages. He's a new user, so I'm sure it wasn't intentional.

Anyways, I've tried to fix things up as much as I could, but could you please delete Dragon Ball Wiki:Black and its talk page? Also, can you rename the page back to "Goku Black" until a consensus is reached? I've tried doing that myself, but the page already exists and it's not giving me the permission to (I'd rather avoid copy-pasting the whole thing and losing the history of the page). Thank you.


Alright, I've tried fixing it a little bit more to make it less confusing. I moved the real page (with all it's history) to this template page. I've moved the real talk page to to this other template page. The page Dragon Ball Wiki:Black should be deleted along with its talk page, Dragon Ball Wiki Talk:Black. The page Black was used as a disambiguation page, so it shouldn't be deleted though it should be restored after this is all over. The page Template:Goku Black Temp 2 should be renamed to Goku Black and the page Template:Goku Black Temporary should be renamed to Talk:Goku Black, then I'll try to fix all the broken/double redirects afterwards. Then, the template pages should be deleted. My apologies if I made everything a bit more confusing, but I'm trying not to lose the history of the page. Thanks again! -- Final ChidoriTalk 13:51, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Should be all set now. Things like that happen from time to time, but the history can never be permanently deleted. Even when an article gets deleted and overwritten, the original history can be recovered. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 13:17, June 14, 2016 (UTC)
Great job! I wasn't too sure about the history getting recovered, so I thought I'd take the safe route. Anyways, thank you. -- Final ChidoriTalk 14:26, June 14, 2016 (UTC)


This may seem a little petty, but I'm wondering if the wiki has any rules regarding whether or not to spell out numbers or just use numerals, since I'm seeing them mixed around in articles. I couldn't find anything about it in the manual of style, maybe we should add a general rule for it?

Also, this is a little unrelated, but I'd like to know your opinion on this. Thank you! -- Final ChidoriTalk 23:24, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

I replied. Our policy is to use American English grammar. The numbers in a sentence should either all be written out, or all numerical, never mixed. The first number in the sentence determines how they should all be formatted. A number that starts a sentence should be written out (so avoid starting sentences with big numbers). If no other rule applied yet, then numbers less than 10 should be written out, while 10 or greater should be numerical. Some examples:
  • Fifty Saiyans battle ten humans.
  • Those 50 Saiyans defeat 5 humans.
  • Vegeta is eight times stronger than forty-five Space ducks.
  • Forty-three thousand seven hundred eighty-three stars exist in the universe. There are 43,783 stars in the universe.

-- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:13, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

Great, thanks for the clarification! -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:50, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

Yet another vandal

Here's another one. Him blanking a whole page may have just been a wikia glitch, but his edit summary implies otherwise. -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:50, June 20, 2016 (UTC)

I left him a warning since it was his first edit ever. Feel free to do the same if you see that in the future. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:28, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z Kai Majin Buu Saga English Dubbed

Oh 10X I have question, will have Dragon Ball Z Kai Majin Buu Saga English Dub that will go on Nicktoons will the Sean Schemmel accepted look: BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 20:51, June 21, 2016 (UTC)

Cool! Good find. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:30, June 22, 2016 (UTC)

internet police halp

Stryzzy is swearing with bad bad words Sand bearprayview creations

I had asterixes in, and this troll has been harrassing me endlessly, check the context on what that edit was made under. You be the judge of who's in the wrong 10x Kamehameha. Stryzzar (talk) 00:15, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I say you both are because you said the f word and now called Sand bear a troll and him for making the edit to your page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:20,6/24/2016 

People have used asterix swear words all over the wiki. And he's been doing this to me since the very first comment directed at me, where he called me "a s**t lord". I'm sick to death of him and he just won't leave me alone. Stryzzar (talk) 00:22, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I concur with Goku420. We both broke the rules and deserve disciplinary actions for getting out of line. Do your thing, Tenny! Sand bearprayview creations 00:27, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

lol at the guy playing mod. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 00:29, June 24, 2016 (UTC)
lol at the guy impersonating my username. Sand bearprayview creations 00:38, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

So I'm supposed to just sit there and take your crap? You started this and you kept adding fuel to the fire. And for the last time, that word was censored. 00:31, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

i like pickles --bunnyyyy

>"take your crap"
As seen with the language used on your talk page, this is 100% good fun. But you seem to have been born without the ability to comprehend fun ;'( Sand bearprayview creations 00:38, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

And you can't comprehend I despise your existence and want your miserable self to leave me alone! Stryzzar (talk) 00:52, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Stryzzar, all you're doing is feeding the troll Trump. At this rate, you'll build the wall for him. -- Final ChidoriTalk 00:56, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

>On a site with a primary focus on social activity (donn argue, Staff keep forcing social crap onto everyone in some attempt to make Wikia less encyclopedia-y!!!)
>Wants to be left alone
This doesn't work. Sand bearprayview creations 01:01, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Well if he's gonna report me for something he started I'll at least see it through to the end. Stryzzar (talk) 01:11, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

"I'll at least see it through to the end" not if some1 prank calls immigration services and reports u as an illegal immigrant and gets you deported ;)) *wink wink* Sand bearprayview creations 01:20, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

English does not proficient, apologies many, i am russia

Bad world do isn't say.

If say bad world, admin is ban.

good bye

Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:54, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Sweet Lord Gaben people, all I wanted to do was notify 10X of a little going-on, and now we've added enough content to start a short book to his talk page. @ (at) 10X, please make sure to strongly consider banning Sandubadear for a very long and harsh amount of time for filling this once-beautiful conversation with crap like his message above.

Oh and by the way, I've noticed something else 10X. I disappear for a month, and a mere hour after I've been back, I've managed to stir up SO much trouble and discontent. This is one bad apple that you would probably be better off banning. If you ask Stryzzy I'm sure he'll back me up Sand bearprayview creations 02:17, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I not ban. Not say bad world mean not ban. Here bad world that might say: Dragon Ball Wiki:Rules/Profanity. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:36, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I am going to ignore the real troll (read:Sandubadear) now and instead focus fully on the matters at hand. Anyway, Stryzzy has since vandalized my old userpage, called me an idiot, and spammed four no-good edits in a row on Neffy's talk page after an initial edit. However, after very very carefully examining the Rules page (and other related guidelines) here I have found that I have been in the wrong the whole time and would like to rescind all the reports I made about Stryzzy. As it turns out, I seem to have instigated all of his actions (LOL who would have guessed), meaning he's technically (and by the Rules & Guidelines) not done anything wrong. Now if he started shouting 'the F word' without my help, I suppose some action might be merited, but as it stands he's a good boy who hasn't done anything rule-breaking to my knowledge. Maybe a touch rude, but still within bounds. Anywho I am a very nice person (except when I'm trolling Stryzzy) so I felt the need to explain that all to you.

By the way, you should considering unblocking Raging gohan/Versus Zero since he's 1) a really experienced veteran user and 2) you pretty much taunted him into breaking the rules like I have tried doing with Stryzzy. All of this trolling Stryzzy reminded me of RG/VZ. Funny that. Keep that in mind plox. Thank you. Sand bearprayview creations 03:21, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

The history edit history you (Sand bear) vandalized your own page, before you tried to frame me for that. I undid the last edit on the old page to try and get rid of the Trump images that you were accusing me of, before I realized it was a redirect.

10x Kamehameha, I apologize for the several edits on Neffyarious's page, I was editing on my phone and kept making errors. Stryzzar (talk) 03:30, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Well isn't this a mess. C'mon guy, I'm sure Mr.10x's inbox is blown up like my ex's phone. So maybe y'all should stop.  Tailsman67 Talk | Contribs | Edit Count )   04:37, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

LMAO. I think Versus Zero is global block btw so it wouldn't even matter. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 07:13, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Sand Bear appears to have been globally blocked by Wikia. Careful about the profanity all. Allowing some profanity does not make you immune to the rule against insulting others. "Oh shit, I messed up the template!" is okay, while "you're an ass hole" is not. Censoring the profanity doesn't help, since we all still know exactly what you mean. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:44, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Okay I'm sorry, I'll refrain from insults in the future. Also, the global block is temporary so he might be back. Stryzzar (talk) 02:25, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

Saga Nav Box Template

Hate to fill your plate with even more stuff to do, but would you mind telling me your thoughts on this nav box template I created? Another user pointed out that only the Super sagas use the new nav boxes, so I created this to make it easier to convert all the other sagas into the new format. This is what it looks like when used on a DB saga, for example. Can you approve/disapprove of it before I make it into an actual template page? Also, what are your opinions on the colors? I'm thinking about making it light orange to match the wiki scheme. Thanks (anyone else reading this is free to add their opinion as well, I want to know what everyone thinks of it). -- Final ChidoriTalk 16:23, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Looks awesome, you're quite the editor : ) -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:57, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

Glad you like it, thanks for the compliment haha. I've changed the color to match our signature wiki orange and made it into an actual template page. Thanks again for approving it. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:49, June 25, 2016 (UTC)


Hi there 10X, I was contacted by the blocked user Meshack about his ban and he wishes to discuss having it shortened with you. I know that he is deserving of the ban due to his several blocks and uses of sockpuppets, but he is a good editor of this wiki and I believe that being perma-banned has made him understand that actions like these will not be taken lightly. I think that he may deserve one last chance and that we should shorten the block he currently has to a few months, and when he gets back to editing if he messes up again then he will be permanently blocked again with no exceptions. It is entirely up to you though.--Neffyarious (talk) 18:34, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

He has been consistently messaging me on another Wiki as well as emailing me since several blocks ago. He has been asking me to get unblocked weekly. I actually did unblock him in April at his request, but I had to block him again for edit warring a week later (the same edit 7 times in 6 hours). He was blocked twice more in May, for a total of 6 blocks, which includes one from you last year. What makes it worse is that he was using sock puppets to continue editing throughout all of his blocks, so he has never really lost his editing privileges in the past. He hasn't even really lost editing privileges for the time he was blocked prior to the indefinite one. To be honest, him asking to be unblocked constantly, and now to multiple admins, tells me he doesn't understand why the rules exist or the purpose of a block. He needs a couple months off at a minimum to contemplate what having editing rights is worth. I don't believe he's capable of following the rules without having the time off. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:56, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

I certainly agree that he requires a lengthy block, I'm just saying that I don't think we need to infinite block him for his behavior (yet). How many months do you think we should have him blocked for?--Neffyarious (talk) 23:00, June 24, 2016 (UTC)

The only reason he wants it shortened is because his sock puppet accounts keep getting caught. This is a user that only cares about themselves and has no respect for others. He was editing under the account of User:100x Big Bang Kamehameha and would still be editing under it to this day if he wasn't caught with it. For someone that says "they deserve a block" they sure cannot help but evade it all the time. If he didn't evade recently with 100k Big Bang Kamehameha then yeah, I can see a shorter block happening but he disrespected the rules yet again and that should be taken into account. --Riptoze 06:59, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
The way he's been talking, he acts like he's got nothing else in life besides this place. If he does come back  he will try to stop anyone else from adding info to articles. he hogs it all to himself.  0551E80Y (talk) 13:58, June 25, 2016 (UTC)
He deserves at least 3 months, because that's the total time he used sock puppets to get around previous blocks. So 3 months plus whatever he deserves for the sock puppeting infractions themselves. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:32, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
He messaged me on his wiki. So i told him there are other wikis about dragon ball out there that he can join in the meantime.0551E80Y (talk) 05:39, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

So 3 months, plus the block time for the infringements - which was set to around 1-2 months, so he should be blocked for around 4-5 months then?--Neffyarious (talk) 11:17, June 27, 2016 (UTC)

5 months seems generous for repeat infractions but it's a good start to set for. I'm a little confused why you're trying to appeal their block Neffyarious considering how much harm/edit wars and disrespect they brought to the wiki. --Riptoze 14:31, June 27, 2016 (UTC)
I think it is too soon to consider shortening his block, considering he continued breaking rules the last time we shortened his block. He was given so many chances already. The block should be left indefinite for the 3 months and then we can consider if it needs to be longer. It he keeps asking to be unblocked and interacting with everyone the whole time, it's not really the time away from the site he needs. Shortening it so soon would be too lenient. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:22, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

The reason I'm trying to appeal the block is because I understand Meshack as an editor, yes he has caused many problems in the past and been disrespectful, but he does not do it for malicious reasons, it's all because he wishes to make this wiki as good as it can be: he is definitely a good editor when it comes to editing content. Yes, he has caused issues and must be punished for that, but I don't think he's deserving of an infinite block, I'd say he deserves one more chance and I don't think he'll mess it up - he enjoys editing here and the threat of being banned completely has probably made him rethink his actions, and anyway even if he does come back and it turns out he has not changed then we can just ban him completely, and if that happens then he won't get back in. I do however agree with you 10X that we can leave it as infinite for three months and then adjust it as we see fit after that.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:45, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. He wants to make the site better, but he doesn't understand how the rules actually further that goal. Anarchy on the site would quickly degrade the quality of everything. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:04, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

New "Community" Page

I'm sure you know about the new "Community" tab wikia is beta testing on us (along with the other top 5K wikis), but I wouldn't be surprised if they hadn't warned any admins prior to adding it. Basically, it's a slightly customizable page displaying the top editors, admins, insights, etc. There's a bland, blank banner on the top that you're able to switch out, and it was slightly bothering me so I made a new one. Ehhh? How does it look? Sadly, I can't change the generic "Help us grow Dragon Ball Wiki!" message. The screenshot there is a bit grainy but the original looks a lot less pixelated. By the way, do you still use the monobook theme? I remember either you or PrinceZarbon mentioning something about that a few years back. -- Final ChidoriTalk 22:34, June 28, 2016 (UTC)

Yep, I prefer Monobook for editing. While "Wikia" skin only lets you use the middle 50% of the screen for editing and fills the outer 50% with bubbly Dragon Balls images, "MonoBook" allows for editing on the entire screen. The waste of space in the "Wikia" skin is very irritating to me and inefficient. These days I do a lot of mobile editing as well, which has its own sort of theme. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:08, June 30, 2016 (UTC)
The banner looks very nice. I don't seem to be able to edit the Community page either. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:09, June 30, 2016 (UTC)

Monobook is basically the old theme the wiki had a few years back, right? That's pretty cool. Wasn't there an encyclopedia version of this site with that theme?

According to this, you can change the banner by uploading a file to File:Community-Page-Header.jpg. I tried it myself and it worked, so apparently any user is able to change it (I'd actually suggest protecting it to avoid vandalism). I'm guessing it should reset to the blank banner if the page is deleted. -- Final ChidoriTalk 17:17, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

Nice job, that looks great. I'll leave it unprotected for now, since you were able to upgrade the page and protection would have prevented it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:52, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Movies in a different dimension

Since the DBZ movies are said to take place in a separate dimension from the main one, could we create pages for the characters' counterparts in this dimension like we do for Future timeline characters, e.g. "Goku (different dimension)" for the Goku who appears in the movies. Doing this would make our character pages cleaner and would also allow us to fix some things - like how the Goku of the "main dimension" has never used Pseudo Super Saiyan (but has it listed on his page), while his different dimension counterpart from the movies has used it.--Neffyarious (talk) 22:57, July 2, 2016 (UTC)

No. please don't do that. it's not needed. it's going to cause confusion. there just movies. we have a film appearance section for a reason on these character pages. you jumping the gun again. Nikon23 02:57, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

Neffy you do know that would also go for BoG and RF since they are movies even though they have been made into an anime and manga.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:54,7/4/2016 

I mean the movies that are referenced as happening in a different dimension (which is all of them other than the most recent ones), so the first 13. Plus, we don't include BoG and RF in the movie section anymore anyways.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:37, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Nikon23, this would cause great confusion. The comment about them taking place in another universe largely has to do with there being more significant than usual inconsistencies with other episodes in those movies. The movie sections are already grouped as such in the articles which should make super-fans looking to keep them separate happy. Casual fans (most fans) will never guess to look for the actions their favorite character did in a movie under an alternate universe article of that character. We'd be making the site a lot harder to use based on what boils down to an obscure quote uttered once and never referenced again.
Rather, we should be strategizing for what we are going to do when all the other universe versions of the characters show up in Super, and possibly even more future/past characters. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 14:38, July 4, 2016 (UTC)
Oh, but we'd still keep the movie section, it's just that the only thing it would say is "Main article: Goku/Films", so people would find it easy and it would cause no confusion. We already do this with some character's techniques and galleries, turn them into sub-pages.--Neffyarious (talk) 16:21, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

I'm personally against it. Super has introduced different universes and reintroduced the different timelines, adding in articles like "Goku (different dimension)" would cause a ton of a confusion. For example, I already see a bunch of people saying Trunks is from Universe 6 (as opposed to U7 from a different timeline), tossing in dimensions there would just worsen the problem. -- Final ChidoriTalk 16:50, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

I'm personally against it. it should stay how it is. no need to insert such things such as Goku/Films and etc. Nikon23 01:20, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind if there were tabs that say goku manga/anime and goku films as his article is already really massive which makes it hard to load it in editing mode. if this happens it cut the article into smaller pieces there by making it easier to load in ediing mode. 0551E80Y (talk) 02:40, July 5, 2016 (UTC)
I'm against it too. It would be hiding info to satisfy a purist mentality. We should never make the site worse for the majority to satisfy super-fans like ourselves. Our aim should be to let users quickly find what their looking for. Hiding movie info hurts that goal. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:54, July 6, 2016 (UTC)


So you Think Goku Black is Goku from another Universe or something else? —This unsigned comment was made by Shenron230 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Please sign your posts. Good question. I don't think so, no. It's someone who wants to kill Saiyans, has probably killed a Kaioshin, and is familiar with Beerus by looking at him. Having some fun speculating, this could be Ginyu, having switched with Goku's body after Goku's peaceful death to the heart disease. When Trunks is preventing Buu from being awoken, Ginyu kills Supreme Kai and takes his jewelry. When Beerus and Whis show up to destroy Earth, Ginyu asked them to spare him and in exchange Ginyu would kill everyone on Earth for them. Without Trunks left as the main obstacle, Ginyu is close to completing his mission. Just my best guesses : ) -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 15:22, July 4, 2016 (UTC)

Legendary Super Saiyan 3:

why was Legendary Super Saiyan 3 removed from the Saiyan Transformation section. this makes the page hard to find. i compleletly forgot about the page for a moment. there was a discussion about merging the page with legendary super saiyan, but majority of everyone were against the merger. Nikon23 02:10, July 5, 2016 (UTC)

You'd have to check the history and ask the person who made the edit you oppose. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:00, July 7, 2016 (UTC)

Dark Magic transformation (Demigra):

Was this page really necessary to create? There's a page about the form already created named Villainous Mode. Nikon23 01:35, July 6, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like this is being discussed on the talk page already. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:01, July 7, 2016 (UTC)


Hey 10x i added information to the Goten and Trunks pages (I said they MAY be stronger than 18 because in Bio Broly they fought broly while 18's attacks at the start did nothing then Broly one shots her) that Goku20 removed when i tried to talk to him he deleted the conversation on his talk page (there is also some conversation on my page if you want to read it ) before it was done so can I add the edit again or would that be edit warring ? Tyman1102 (talk) 17:45, July 9, 2016 (UTC)

My talk page so I can delete the messages now if you had started it on the article talk page I wouldn't be able to do that. Also saying they may be stronger then 18 is speculation because we don't know how strong they are no matter if Goten and Trunks done damage to Bio-Broly or not. 18 done damage to him also but that doesn't make her or Goten and Trunks stronger then Goku and Vegeta does no it doesn't. What you said would be like me saying that Goten, Trunks and 18 are all stronger then Goku and Vegeta. 18 was stronger then both till after Vegeta, Future Trunks, Goku, and Gohan trained in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber then she became weaker then them. The fact of the matter is it is never stated how strong any of three are compared to each other epically in the movie. Also 10X all he added to the articles since you can look for yourself is that "Trunks or Goten (depending on the Article) may be stronger then Android 18 show when he can hurt Bio Broly but 18 can't." also look at where he put it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:21,7/9/2016 

I didin't say they are stronger than goku or vegeta that has nothing to do with this and thats random. when did 18 hurt broly? she attacks him he dosen't even move then he one shots her for a while later she gets up hits him once and he one shots her again then krillin saves her.Tyman1102 (talk) 18:46, July 9, 2016 (UTC)Tyman1102

You just proved what I was saying, also I was using an example Goku and Vegeta both couldn't do damage to Broly by their selves so saying that Goten and Trunks could (since that is what you was pretty much saying) is saying that they are stronger then their dads which everyone knows to not be true. The time before Krillin saves her is when she does damage to Broly but it doesn't even matter because none of the damage is even shown so we don't know if any of it was really bad enough to last or if any it actually fazed him, the only time out of the whole fight that could be considered damage is when Goten and Trunks both kicked Broly in the stomach (probably as hard as they could).  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:54,7/9/2016 

yes they aren't stronger than their fathers now but back then goku and vegeta were weaker than now (the time of the movie not dbs) and 18 damages him one time  because it was a sneak attack when he knew she was attacking he didn't flinch.Tyman1102 (talk) 19:07, July 9, 2016 (UTC)Tyman1102

But still she did damage Broly which makes what you said wrong plus speculation. Still they were still stronger then Goten and Trunks are in Bio-Broly the first time they fought Broly so yea. Now how about this get's dropped and we focus on stuff that matters more then who is stronger.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:57,7/9/2016 

sure we can drop it im not trying to annoy anyone. but goku was almost killed when he got shot from a sneak attack same with gohan that may be why broly got hurt in the first place just saiyan.Tyman1102 (talk) 20:11, July 9, 2016 (UTC)Tyman1102

In general, saying someone "may be..." Is not encyclopedic and shouldn't be in an article. Agreed, Saiyans are susceptible to heavy damage from sneak attacks when they are off guard. We've seen this consistently. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:30, July 10, 2016 (UTC)

Okay. But Goten and Trunks didn't sneak attack they fought hea on.Tyman1102 (talk) 03:07, July 10, 2016 (UTC)Tyman1102

Edit War:

Bargeta keeps changing the image on Pan 's page, without using the talk page. i reverted the page back to the picture that was previously voted to be changed to, but he keeps changing it back. he was also apart of the previous discussion about the page before Nikon23 12:15, July 12, 2016 (UTC)

He is also edit warring on Supreme Kai of Time's page about the name and I let him know to use the article talk page and everything and well you can see his reply on his talk page. I think he needs to be temp banned if not banned for life.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:16,7/13/2016 

10x Kamehameha, do not forget to see the History of Supreme Kai of Time's article. Neffyarious was the first one to change her name and I reverted back. Then Neffyarious changed yet again without use talk page. We all agreed on using an image that Pan is best known of (her GT version). And if we agreed on do that, then we all agree that we must use the best image OR NAME for a character, so "Supreme Kai of Time" is way more known than "Chronoa". Goku20 doesn't know a thing about what happened and here he is where he was not called, I think he must be put in his place because he does not contribute at all here. Bargeta (talk) 19:25, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

No dude if everyone agreed on using a picture of Pan from GT then that is where it ends with that now the MoS does state that "The titles of articles about individual characters should be the name by which the character was most commonly known, with later names preferred to earlier names, and full names preferred to partial names or nicknames. Titles, such as military ranks or titles of nobility, should be omitted. (Vegeta instead of Prince Vegeta.) Exceptions may be made to this rule when a commonly used rank or title is used to distinguish a less prominent character from a major character who shares the same name. For example, King Piccolo, Lord Piccolo or King Vegeta. In such cases, appropriate disambiguation links should be present on all the relevant articles. Titles may also be used when a character is most commonly referred to using that title; for example, Dr. Gero. See naming convention for the preferred sources of names." so therefore Neffy was in the right when he changed Supreme Kai of Time to Chronoa. I think you need to refresh yourself with the MoS because a lot of your problems right now deal with it. Contrary to what you say Bargeta I have made over 4000 edits and everyone of them contribute to this wiki, either by keeping speculation out of articles or whatever. I made Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 and added a great deal of the stuff on there plus I have made other edits that contribute, not counting I have dealt with Vandals out the ass, among other stuff just look at my contributions, at all of them not just the ones where I undo other user's edits which most of those are because the screwed something up or added speculation or something. You just like so many before you are just mad that I don't agree with you and have undone your edit.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:37,7/13/2016 

You made XV2? Oh, that's cute because you fail to remove a simple fan edited image Doc46 added to Universe article. You failed even to add a kid Bulma's image when she appeared in Dragon Ball Super, stating she was Bra, you don't even know Dragon Ball. You don't undo my edits because everything I post are real and valid information, as I'm not here to joke around adding false information. And don't come with "before me" as I'm here longer than even you. Bargeta (talk) 20:37, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Clearly you expect one person to do everything here well guess what it can't be done by just one person. Also I have been on here since May 2nd, 2012 you have been on here for barely over a year so back off. No not everything you post is real and valid info. I know more about Dragon Ball then you think, also you have made bad edits. Just wait and let 10X settle this. 10X I think it would be best if you did temp ban him that way he can have some time away and maybe realize that talking to another user like he is and has isn't right especially when that user is trying to help him out. Also I think he might be to young to have an account on here, I draw my suspicion from how he sounds in his messages and how easily he loses control of his temper.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:03,7/13/2016 

Bargeta, your reason for changing the Pan image does not make sense. Just because someone disagrees with you somewhere does not undo the consensus of the community everywhere else. The talk page should always be used for resolving conflicts. Edit warring like you've been doing only makes the site chaotic and agitates those users attempting to resolve the conflict with civil discussion. As for the MoS and any given decision, it's the best the community can do to guide article creation. No answer is going to be perfect every time, which is why discussion is sometimes necessary. The goal is to make a site easy for fans of all kinds to use and get their info quickly, and this requires customization. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:38, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

So wait, you are going to let "Chronoa" in Supreme Kai of Time's article even though "nobody" knows her by such name? Bargeta (talk) 14:34, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

I'll go check the talk page and leave my thoughts. Regardless of my opinion, you should be following site rules, which means talk it out rather than edit warring. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:45, July 15, 2016 (UTC)
I just read the talk page, and those who posted came to a consensus 2 days ago. You need to tell them you disagree and why on the article's talk page. This is how we resolve conflicts here. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:49, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

What!? What consensus? The only one who posted was TyphlosionX and he said that which name is fine and most would agree to choose "Supreme Kai of Time". Also, you defend that "we always choose the one that people best know" but it is turning a blind eye here? Bargeta (talk) 22:55, July 15, 2016 (UTC)

Bargeta here is the problem the MoS is contradicting itself this isn't the first time it has but titles like Supreme Kai of Time are not supposed to be used unless their are multiple characters with the same name like Vegeta, which is the name of the main villain in the Saiyan saga but is also his Father's name so there for on his father's page we use King Vegeta over just Vegeta and names like Chronoa are preferred to Supreme Kai of Time because of that and because of Supreme Kai of Time not being her actual name and Chronoa being a later name it is preferred over Supreme Kai time for that also.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:02,7/15/2016 
Bargeta, only 2 people have posted in the discussion. One said Chronoa is better, and the other said they don't care either way: that's a consensus in favor of Chronoa for the time being. However, as a user here you are fully empowered to post a reply on that talk page and voice your opinion, thereby reopening the topic for further discussion. Commenting on my talk page does not allow for community discussion pertaining to a specific article; you need to go to the article's talk page and take a stand. You have yet to state your opinion in the place where it matters so you can't complain that an opposing opinion is winning there. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:04, July 16, 2016 (UTC)

Fan art

The user Doc46 keeps adding fan art image to the Universe's article. Bargeta (talk) 19:00, July 13, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. This appears to be a brand new user, so I left him a note. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:41, July 14, 2016 (UTC)

Somebody messed up on Bra's article

I tried to put everything back to normal but there is something wrong, "it doesn't want" to get back to normal. Correct it when you have time. Bargeta (talk) 01:09, July 18, 2016 (UTC)

Fixed it. Someone added a reference using <ref> without an ending </ref>. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:31, July 18, 2016 (UTC)


can you make blogs like this here?  Nikon23 06:21, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

Good catch. The link was to an illegally uploaded video. It is not allowed here since it is illegal. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:15, July 21, 2016 (UTC)

I think we have another blog and a page to delete the blog is by that user and I already added the Deletion tag to the page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:36,7/22/2016 


Bargeta is still doing what you told him not to.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:34,7/21/2016 

Doesn't look like he overwrote any more image files. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:07, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
You also told him to stop messing up the article which until the last time I undone his edit he wasn't stopping. That is what I was talking about  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:10,7/22/2016 

Edit war

The user Goku20 is edit warring on Vegito's article. After you undid my change, I took the liberty to take other images with other naming scheme and he keeps remove them without reason. Bargeta (talk) 00:21, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

I gave you reasons also 10X has undone your edits also because you are screwing up the article. Also 10X he started the edit war with you and then continued it with me and the only reason he gives for the images after he stopped adding the ones that had nothing to do with Vegito is that they are better quality then the ones on there and not thumb nail wise compared to the thumb nail versions they are, but this isn't his first time edit warring and not following site policy.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:28,7/22/2016 

As long as Bargeta is adding the images he intends to (not the ones that used to be different images and he overwrote the files before I reverted those), then it's not an edit war with me. Poor quality images don't look good, so maybe we can find the same images in a high quality version such as Kai? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:09, July 22, 2016 (UTC)
He was using images from Kai and they look a little too dark compare to the ones on there.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:11,7/22/2016 

There is no need to add the exact same images, some images of base form and Super Saiyan form are enough, too many images is also a bad thing, but quality above all else, and we have Dragon Ball Kai for that. Bargeta (talk) 01:15, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Ok it kinda seems like you are Dragon Ball Z Kai bais. If you can find some brighter versions of the ones you added but leave the ones you just removed and leave the quotes I will be fine with that. Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:21,7/22/2016 

There is no "brighter" images, dude. All come from Youtube in the highest quality, buy a new PC if you are having trouble with images. And no, I will not leave random quotes in transformation section, there is no need for that. Bargeta (talk) 01:25, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

The images on the article are brighter if you open up your eyes and stop trying to push only DBZKai images on an article you would realize. Actually there is because he is saying that in his Super Saiyan form he is just that cocky.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:41,7/22/2016 

Edit war

The user Goku20 is still edit warring even though you said you were fine with the new images I added. Also, he called me "kid" in my talk page (as you can see [[2]] here). As I previously said, Goku20 only shows up here to undo other's edit and he does not contribute at all. Bargeta (talk) 01:45, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

The way you are acting and typing your messages make me think you are one also contrary to your believe I don't only show up on here to undo other user's edits I am on here from the time I get up till I go to bed I may not be active but still and 10X I also don't think understood what I was saying I emailed him about all this and you know what if I have to even if I do get temp banned I will go to Wikia Staff to take care of this problem so let it be known I am sick and tired of the bull shit where some user's will not use the article talk page after their edit is undone once or won't ask the user who undone their edit why they did. Also 10X yes I did call him a kid and I am pretty sure he is one because he types like one and he acts like one not wanting to follow site policy and everything I am not sorry for calling him one either.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:54,7/22/2016 

While I did call him a kid I have since removed the message since there was no reply to it and he has a picture here showing I did, but I also done it just in case you said the if I wanted to be able to continue to edit I would have to remove it. I am still not sorry because I have a very good feeling that he is one.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:05,7/22/2016 

I did not say the images were fine, I said you were not edit warring with me personally. Your edits may still be bad. Bargeta, you need to start using the article talk page to defend your opinion. By refusing to use the talk page, you are forfeiting your right to defend your edits. Goku20 is not edit warring, he is mad that you won't discuss the conflict with him on the article talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:19, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

And what about the kid part? Bargeta (talk) 02:24, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

You're right Bargeta. Goku20, please stop calling Bargeta "kid". All else aside, he is offended by you doing this and has politely asked you to stop doing so. If you ignore his request and continue to offend him, it will be a personal attack. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:47, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

This is still nonsense. BigGrim and Meshack were banned even though they contributed a lot to this damn wiki, the first one being banned by "name calling" exactly Goku20 by "kid"... In their honor, this user should at least be kept away for a while. Bargeta (talk) 02:53, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

But see here is the difference between me and BigGrim, he wouldn't stop with the name calling you are the only one I have called a name. Also I will stop calling him a kid.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:07,7/24/2016 

Excellent, we're making progress. Remember we're all trying to improve the site, even though we occasionally have different ideas of what that means. When users seem to be here only to harass others, or they show blatant disregard to all the rules and have been blocked many times with no improvement, they lose editing rights. That's not the case here. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:22, July 26, 2016 (UTC)


Hey, allow me to introduce myself.

I'm SSJ3 Rusticus. The reason I'm contacting you tonight is admittedly random. I'd like for you to hear me out if you would be so kind.

If I understand correctly, every wikia community will eventually get a Discussion on its phone app. For some reason, if you aren't aware of what the discussions on the wikia apps are. Its just basically a forum. Works almost like the website chat. But, users just ask questions or post the theories and other users comment and contribute.

If the Dragon Ball Wikia does in fact get the discussions feature on it's app, I'd like to try to go for a position on it. Moderator, or something like it. I know, you've never met me, and asking for a position in a community that is unfamiliar with me is fairly random. Not to mention asking for a position on a feature that isn't even available, and may not ever be available, just makes it that much more weird. Allow me to explain.

I'm a life long Dragon Ball fan. I've been waiting for the discussions to appear on the Dragon Ball Wikia app. A friend of mine was inquiring about the potential for a discussion in another community. He received an email from the main wikia saying something like, "We hope to add the discussion feature to every Wikia community." So, I figured I'd try and contact a Buercrat over here and explain, well, basically what I just explained here. Let me give you my resumè of sorts.

I'm a "Discussion Moderator" over at the Fallout Wikia Discussions. Basically, what that position entails is cleaning up the Discussion Board on the Fallout Wikia phone app. I.e. deleting posts from users that violate the rules. I was also able to convince my community to give us the admin toolkit. In my experience, admins and mods that are already in place in wikia communities don't generally take interest in the discussions. That leads to trolls and spammers running rampant. Being an active, and responsible member of the community on the discussions led to my promotion there. I'm prematurely contacting you for that reason. If the discussions come, I can guarantee that I'd be an active user. My experience in that realm could benefit the community if that feature came.

Unfortunately, I can't say I'm that into contributing to the pages. Which, I figure already kind of ruins, if not, at least hurts my chances. What can I say? I'm not entirely great at sitting still. The discussions allow me to "fan boy" on the go! But, I assure you. I'm a responsible user and Discussion Moderator on the Fallout Wikia Discussions. I have the most comments and posts in that community. Since November, I have attributed 13,021 comments and posts. If needed, I'm sure I can convince my Buercrat to write me some sort of reference that will vouch for me. Not only my great behavior and abilty to lead. But, my ability to act professional and represent the wikia community.

Again, I know how weird and random this seems. I know, I'm not really even a member of this community. And, if the discussions feature comes, and positions open up to regulate it, there's probably a number of current, and active users that would be ahead of me. Rightfully so! But, my experience on the discussions, and abilty to regulate the discussion feature, gives me unique experience that others might not have. Not to mention my love for Dragon Ball that is primarily motivating me to send this message. I will try to become a familiar face around this community by joining the website's chat.

Thanks for reading all of that. I know, it was long, and potentially pointless. I at least hoped I conveyed myself, and reasons for contacting you in a proper, and, frankly, sane way. Haha. I hope you return my message on my talk page. Either way, I'll try to be an active user in this community from now on. I hope you have a nice night. Peace!

SSJ3 Rusticus (talk) 06:06, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. I appreciate your enthusiasm and kind offer. While some other Wikis you have been to may not have any admins patrolling chat or blogs, I'm happy to say we absolutely do. As per the admin page ( ) we have an admin designated as our Social Administrator. Liquid Speaker is often in chat, and he promotes new chat moderators. The Social Admin position is not new here, and Liquid is in fact the third to take on this role. Being as we have a Social Admin already, I will respectfully decline your offer. Thanks for the info and feel free to stick around for the long haul. Who knows what the future holds. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:29, July 24, 2016 (UTC)
No worries. I just thought I'd prematurely offer if that feature ever did come. I didn't mean to come off arrogant or something. Nor did I mean to imply anything against you, your fellow admins, or mods. Enthusiasm is probably the best, if not, politest way to describe it. Haha.
Ive just been waiting for a Discussion feature to come for the Dragon Ball Wikia. The excitement of the potential for it got me a little ahead of myself to say the least. Forgive me if I came off in any negative way. It was not my intention.
No worries, about anything from me personally. This is about how I figured it would pan out. Now you know who I am, and my enthusiasm. I'll definitely stick around for the future.
Peace, have a great day!

SSJ3 Rusticus (talk) 02:37, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

Two articles

Could you please delete this article? I created a new one out of my mistake.

And this one has that "Frieza's race" to be removed: Bargeta (talk) 18:21, July 22, 2016 (UTC)

I deleted the first article since you were the only editor. The second article has multiple editors, so I would need a reason to delete it. In the future, please use the deletion template to tag articles for admin review. This lets all admins know, rather than messaging just one, thereby getting the deletion done faster. I can show you how to add the template if you need help. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:36, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

Edit War

BREKKU is edit warring on Xenoverse 2 over something that already has a consensuses. Also I have left him a message expalining site policy but he appearently doesn't care.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:19,7/22/2016 

He has also vandalized the article, used the f word and name called multiple times on that page. I have fixed it all but I am pretty sure if he isn't stopped he will continue to not follow site policy. I am not offended by the name calling. He is back at it and the talk page for the article already has a section for it because RexGodwin was doing the same thing (edit warring) but only me and Nikon23 has discussed it and we both agree.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:02,7/22/2016 

I blocked him for 1 week. He shouldn't be deleting articles and replacing all the content with profanity. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:44, July 24, 2016 (UTC)

View source

Oh 10x, you can put View source in Evil Goku please. BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 17:40, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

What? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:23, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

Xenoverse 2:

Bargeta keeps reverting my edits. first he said he was trying to make the page similar to the xenoverse page, but now he keep reverting the page for no reason. there's nothing wrong with the edits. he keep re adding that cropped  picture of masked saiyan, when clearly a better image of the character was found. i added a Edtion section to xenoverse 2 page (just like the edition section on xenoverse). need someone else to take a look at this. also started a new section on the talk page and send him a message. Nikon23 09:48, July 27, 2016 (UTC)

As Goku20 pointed out, your edits had many typos. While Bargeta did not respond yet to his talk page or the article talk page, he also didn't undo the edit again since you started those topics. For now, read what Goku20 wrote about the typos. If Bargeta undoes your edit once it's good without discussion, let me know. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:25, July 28, 2016 (UTC)


Do you think the whole year category thing is a good thing?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:26,8/4/2016 

It depends on how the community thinks about it and tell me how it works. Also nice to meet you as I happen to be on this site for a year or so.
I was asking for 10X's opinion also I have been on here for four years, in my opinion the year category for the episodes, video games, and movies is not needed because the page for them all have what year they were released. Please sign your posts on talk pages and forums with "~" also hit enter and use ":" to put your message under the one you are replying to.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:02,8/4/2016 
Okay as I don't often edit things much due to my laziness. I also used a mobile device. To be more precise, I using a tablet. I not so sure if you need a general consensus for this one, but it seems it might be the case there. Also thanks for the advise. Starkiller215 (talk) 08:14, August 4, 2016 (UTC)Starkiller215

Doesn't sound useful. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:39, August 6, 2016 (UTC)

Syn Shenron Page

A User keeps changing the Syn Shenron Page name to De Omega Shenron. I don't believe Syn is called De Omega Shenron. I tried fixing this but it was again renamed by the same user. I don't wan't to accidently get into some edit war with this guy. If my memory serves me Syn Shenron was never called De Omega Shenron ever, he was called Omega but never De Omega. Plus if I'm correct we do use the given name of a character correct? Please help. (14matthi (talk) 02:10, August 7, 2016 (UTC))

You are correct also Omega Shenron is the name of one of his transformations.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:24,8/7/2016 
That's what I thought thank you :) (14matthi (talk) 02:27, August 7, 2016 (UTC))

No problem I have even left him a message on his talk page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:29,8/7/2016 

Thanks again I didn't want to get myself accidently cought in an edit war. (14matthi (talk) 02:33, August 7, 2016 (UTC))

The user seems to be doing whatever they want without reading the rules or the MoS. I blocked them for 3 days and left a message on their talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:04, August 8, 2016 (UTC)


Can I/is it possible to change my username? Bargeta (talk) 03:48, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

I believe there is a Wikia-wide feature to do so, but I have never used it. You don't need permission but you will need to locate the button. Sorry I'm not more helpful with this. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:06, August 8, 2016 (UTC)

About Signatures.

Excuse me, Sir. Considering my inactivity and lack of knowledge in regards to most features of all wikias. I do like to know how I can make a signature as I will off handily admit due to my lack of knowledge and laziness, I will need some help in that regard. Starkiller215 (talk) 05:23, August 8, 2016 (UTC)Starkiller215

At the top of this page, there are some tips including a link to my beginner tutorial on signatures. Give it a shot. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:19, August 11, 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring

The user TheCreepy904 is edit warring on Super Saiyan 2 article, adding false information with no official source at all. Bargeta (talk) 13:45, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah right, I spesifically said, it's not a new form, I said it's a downgrade, it deserves to be there, we have never seen that as I have put in my summary, but you seem to be ignoring it, I fixed everyone elses mistake for it being a new form. TheCreepy904 (talk) 13:47, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

But it is there, already mentioned a couple of lines above. And also mentioned in the Third Grade article. Creating a session is creating a new form/state, which is not the case. Bargeta (talk) 13:53, August 9, 2016 (UTC)

Well then maybe you should put it in there the way you think it should be done. It needs to be mentioned.TheCreepy904 (talk) 10:19, August 10, 2016 (UTC)

TheCreepy904 (may I call you Creepy?), Trunks uses one form and then another. There is no new form, and there is no need to mention him switching between forms on that article. It's good info for an episode summary, but it does not add any useful data about the Super Saiyan 2 form. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:26, August 11, 2016 (UTC)


I have found a possible sockpuppet AdainJ. I am pretty sure the user is a sockpuppet of Adianj one because of and edit they both made and the names are almost the same besides the second a and the i being switched.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:52,8/13/2016 

Looks like he switched completely from one to the other and isn't abusing the system by using both. Let's keep an eye on it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:12, August 13, 2016 (UTC)

He has used both on September 2 and today.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  09:06,9/5/2016 

Thanks, I left him a note. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:50, September 7, 2016 (UTC)


when was a Saiyan-God considered or confirmed as a race? Nikon23 20:36, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

It's not as far as I know. Why do you ask? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:42, August 15, 2016 (UTC)
never mind. the issue was resolved. Nikon23 06:28, August 17, 2016 (UTC)

It's not a race it's a Title that a Saiyan achieves when they have the power of Super Saiyan God

Use of "Ultra Super Saiyan" in Super Saiyan 3rd Grade page

I'm attempting to remove a bit of unofficial information in the Super Saiyan Third Grade, whereas it is referred to as "Ultra Super Saiyan" and I'm attempting to added {{fact}} templates to a couple of doubtful alternate names featured in the infobox[3], yet Goku20 reverted my edit wholesale with no comment[4] and sent me a talk page message telling me to simply play one game[5] without acknowledging all of other parts that they reverted. Following their example, I sent him a comment on his talk page stating my position and my reasoning[6], then I reinstated my edit, this time being more lenient with certain things[7] and the user, once again reverted my edits without comment[8], telling me to "follow site policy" (which one?) and to not use user talk pages to discuss edits (ironic, given they did they first)[9].

I ask for an intervention on part of the adminship, as I'm sure our edit warring will lead to nothing. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 22:52, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

You started the edit war because you wouldn't follow site policy I only messaged you three times on your talk page one to tell you where Super was used, then to ask you to follow site policy which means use the article talk page to discuss why your edit was undone, and finally to tell you that a user's talk page is not the place to talk about what was wrong with your edit. Also here is what is wrong with your edit overall on Super 2 is that it was actually called that but I can't remember where and fan names as long as they have been used by not only fans but either the source materiel, the author, or company with rights to the materiel. Now Super Saiyan 1.5 I don't know exactly where that came from if you want to know look back and find who added it and then message them. When your edit is undone once it is best to use the article talk page till a consensuses is reached. Also I would like to add that he/she didn't message me till after I undone his/her edit the last time.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:25,8/21/2016 

You do not delete {{Fact}} templates, you add citations to replace them. You don't revert edits wholesale, you fix errors. If you can't recall where something comes from, you don't add it. Ultra Super Saiyan hasn't been used by official products, and was made up by Curtis Hoffman back in 1993. — Zero-ELEC (talk) 23:51, August 21, 2016 (UTC)

You do revert edits wholesale if you dispute the edit which is what I done. Also only you have had a problem with that name, plus Ultra Super Saiyan, and Super Saiyan 1.5 which the last one is kind of understandable since Super Saiyan Second Grade has it for an alternate name also. I am trying to be respectful but let's just say I am getting to the point to where I am not going to be respectful, I am a 24 year old and have been on here longer then you and I don't take to kindly to user who have been on here a shorter amount of time then me trying to tell me what to do.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:12,8/22/2016 

Hi Zero, and welcome. The great thing about Wikis is they consist of the best information as created and edited by a community. Our local policies are designed to facilitate this collaborative atmosphere. For example, if someone reverts your edit because they disagree, you will probably not make a lot of progress by simply messaging that person. Rather, you should create a discussion topic on the article's talk page, alerting everyone interested to the issue, and allowing the community at large to come to the best possible consensus. When two editors are adding and deleting the same edit, they should leave the page as it was before the disputed edit and seek a consensus on the talk page, after which the consensus should be applied. Without an article talk page discussion, it is unlikely an agreement between only two editors can be reached, resulting in an edit war. As an admin, I would rather lead you to appeal to the community for the best answer when possible than hand down an edict. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:48, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Edit war and screwing up the format

The user JamariT2000 is edit warring, adding more than enough images (bad images) into the body of the Super Saiyan 2's article, as a result, the format gets screwed.

He also refuses to leave the page as it was to reach a consensus, saying "there's no need". Bargeta (talk) 18:59, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Listen here, your opinion of the images should not keep them from being added to the page. It needed updates, those 2 battles were not there, so I just decided to add them. Then you come and say they're bad, which is no reason to remove images. Also, these pages are constantly updates whenever new info is released. Which means sooner or later someone would've done the same thing. And I wouldn't be surprised if its updated again sometime in the future. JamariT2000 (talk) 19:34, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

However, I do see your issues with me edit warring, and I apologize for not going to the tak page, but my other statement still stands. JamariT2000 (talk) 20:11, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

And I don't see those images as being bad. Those are probably some of the best in the whole Dragon Ball Super series. If you want to see bad, go look at a picture from Goku and Beerus' fight. JamariT2000 (talk) 20:13, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Don't want to toss in an unneeded third opinion here but I just can't resist:

Adding images is very helpful to the wiki, of course, but adding too many to a single page can be slightly counterproductive. An image in an article is supposed enhance the article itself by providing a visual. The SSJ2 page already has many pictures, including one of SSJ2 Goku, so I personally don't think we need two more stuffed in there. In fact, we could probably remove and replace a few of the pictures on the page since there's really no use for more than 5 images in a section. I personally see no reason to add an image for every single fight SSJ2 was used in, it just clogs the article up.

The gallery, however, is completely different because it's supposed to be filled with images. I think pictures such as the ones you posted would be better suited for the gallery instead of being shoved into the middle of the page just for the purpose of being there. -- Final ChidoriTalk 23:18, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Final Chidori (nice to have you back mate!), we only need images in the article body that show unique forms. Having the same form in a different location or fighting someone different doesn't add descriptive info about the form appearance, which is what images are for. The gallery is more appropriate for the same form in a new situation. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:52, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Blog Shenanigans

Hey there 10X, would you mind deleting this blog for spam/advertisement? Not sure if it's a spam user since the person who created it only has three edits as of now (with two of them being on the blog itself), I'll keep an eye out for now but I'm sure he's harmless. Thanks! -- Final ChidoriTalk 23:05, August 22, 2016 (UTC)

Well spotted. I deleted the article, but I agree it's unclear if he is a spambot or what due to that basically being his only edit. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:54, August 24, 2016 (UTC)

Heads up

Hey, 10X! There's a new user who's vandalized an article. He's only done one so far, so I've left him a short little unofficial warning. Nevertheless, I thought you'd like to see it as well just in case he does more. -- Final ChidoriTalk 04:18, August 25, 2016 (UTC)

Nice work. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:04, August 27, 2016 (UTC)

Age 798 & 781

Just a note, because i've been looking at the timeline stuff alot lately. I believe the person who added the deletion notice did so (and removed the text there) because that year isn't valid, as those events actually happen in 797, not 798. If you check Age 797, you'll find that everything in 798 is there, but correct, as it's in the right year. It was all in 798 because of a miscalculation in the times. Also, any reason for adding the Future Trunks Saga to 781. I mean, you've referenced it, so I assume the manga says it's so (Edit: actually, I checked and that chapter doesn't give any information about time beyond it being 10 years (Future Time) since Future Trunks returned from the future after Cell's defeat, and 1 year since Black appeared), but Super is anime-first, and the anime hasn't depicted Bulla having been born yet, so it should still be 780. Wixelt (talk) 21:24, August 28, 2016 (UTC)

And still, the whole manga Trunks's age was a mistranslation, Bra hasn't born yet. The whole age 781-798 is a mistake {{SUBST:Usuario:YonedgeHp/Firma}}

The reason I didn't delete the articles is because there was no discussion. Posting here allows me to hear your thoughts, but it doesn't allow the original editor to weigh in. Please put your thoughts on the article talk page. That will give the editor a chance to see his article is marked for deletion and why, and he'll get to say why he disagrees. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:45, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

Ok, so the new episode supports my point. The Super Dragon Balls are currently inactive because it has not been a year. We keep on Age 780. Yon!米津愛主!Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! 01:35, September 11, 2016 (UTC)

For the love of God, could we change SSGSS' name?

No progress will ever be made unless an admin actively reads the talk page and judges the arguments. This has been postponed endlessly over and over again, and now supporters of SSGSS are falling to speculation and baseless concerns about the future. Just read the recent discussions on the talk page. Isn't it about time we stop postponing it, since the wait has never once helped the SSGSS argument and has only helped the SSJB argument? This is going to keep repeating until an admin decides, it's really unnecessary. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 00:26, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

10X I have suggested holding off on the renaming because mainly of the fact that we could have to merge SSR with it and they could possibly say that Super Saiyan Rose is a different verison of Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan. The whole speculation about the future is that the English verison of DBS could go back to saying SSGSS and/or say SSB is a nickname or shorter name, that is one possibility or they could change the name altogether. I am going to be against the renaming of the article till we have confirmation that SSGSS will never be used again I am talking about Akira Toiryama's word, but I have said that if they want to go ahead and rename it then fine but once we have confirmation about the future after the English verison of DBS is realeased (on the name they will use) if they do like I said they possibly could I will rename it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:38,8/30/2016 

So that finally settles it. Glad we can put this issue to rest. 10X, can you rename the page yourself since it's protected from normal plebs like us from doing so? Thanks a ton. -- Final ChidoriTalk 01:01, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

Sure thing, I'll take care of it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:47, August 30, 2016 (UTC)

Different Super Saiyan

Oh 10x, the Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black pink hair is very different of the Super Saiyan Evil Goku of Dragon Ball Budokai AF (Budokai 3 MOD) look video: BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 15:45, August 30, 2016 (UTC)


Can you get this guy to stop harassing me about the SSGSS/SSB debate? He's spamming my talk page with random gibberish about me putting fanfictions on the site. It's driving me nuts. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 06:45, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

i'm not harassing you, i was having a discussion with you until you made that insult and you just did again! and i never said you were puting fan fiction on this wiki, i said you did it not too long ago, hench my proof on that is on your talk page from june. where in my comment did i say that you were puting fanfictions on this wiki? how can some one try to have a discussuion when you claiming the person is now speaking gibberish? Nikon23 06:49, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not insulting you. Please, so I know the situation, tell me where the insult was. Also, I don't see any such discussion on my talk page from June. All I see is a random user who advertised his wiki. Claiming I was "the same person not too long ago trying to put fanon work on this wiki" makes no sense and distracts from what we were talking about. EDIT: So that user was you. Not sure why you posted that on my Talk page. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 06:54, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

what's this then? Nikon23 06:58, August 31, 2016 (UTC) is where you can share your fandom work and also on Daiventart  Nikon23 05:02, June 16, 2016 (UTC)
That was, once again, you accusing me of nonsense. Did you actually read what I wrote on your Talk page that day? ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 07:00, August 31, 2016 (UTC)
 that doesn't change the fact that your response was insulting and now you trying to slander my name and accusse me of spamming your page. it's a talk pageNikon23 07:08, August 31, 2016 (UTC) Nikon23 07:08, August 31, 2016 (UTC)
Except we're clearly not communicating. Please, tell me where I insulted you. Enlighten me. This issue was originally about SSB/SSGSS, and you've brought up unrelated topics. The talk page has no use for some random argument, which is literally over nothing at all. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 07:10, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

this user insulted me with his comment. i'm not mentally challenged, and i don't appreicate being assumed that i am. his comment is below from his talk page. we were having a discussion Nikon23 06:49, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Welp, you fallen out of the realm of making sense. Now you're claiming out of nowhere that I put some fanon on the wiki (by the way, I am generally against the idea of fanfictions). You're ignoring the points I'm making, it's clearly not bias, it's common sense, so take off your metal hat and listen instead of spouting nonsense. If you can't have a civil discussion without bringing up something off-topic (which, by the way, is complete slander) or accusing me of bias, then it's no use to continue talking. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 06:36, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Nobody called you mentally challenged. Do you know what I meant by "metal hat"? It means you need to take a look at the situation and actually have a normal conversation, instead of slandering me or accusing me of bias. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 06:50, August 31, 2016 (UTC)
 and for the record my name is Nikon23, not Nixon23! Nikon23 06:56, August 31, 2016 (UTC)
Are we done now? Can I get back to working? ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 07:05, August 31, 2016 (UTC)
 there is no WE! and no were not done! Nikon23. it's over when a admin say something 07:09, August 31, 2016 (UTC)
Dude, *please* leave me alone about this. We're not getting anywhere, there's no point in continuing. This argument is literally over nothing. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 07:11, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Nikon, if it means anything, I'm very sure Pie is not trying to imply you're mentally challenged. It's just a little misunderstanding. -- Final ChidoriTalk 11:02, August 31, 2016 (UTC)

Whatever. Unbelievable here Nikon23 06:15, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

I habben to be an expert, and metal hat (also called tinfoil hat) indeed means mentally challenged person. Here's proof: Plz ban pie robber. Auibnbrnbia (talk) 06:29, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

That is not the top definition of it and it clearly says appears to be insane not that the person is insane some expert.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:05,9/1/2016 
Thanks Goku20. And yes, Auibnbrnbia, I honestly wasn't referring to that. Sorry if it came off that way, but I was merely stating that Nikon's accusation that I was biased, while not addressing any of the issues that I brought up, seemed ridiculous and groundless. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 14:03, September 2, 2016 (UTC)

Sounds like the two of you are upset over the other still talking, and the wording used. In my opinion, you'll both be happier if you stop bugging each over over this. I don't see anything productive coming out of continuing this discussion. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:43, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

Meshack (continued)

The three months have passed, so what do you think we should do about Meshack? As far as I know he has stayed away from the DB wiki and it's users in this time. Should his block be shortened?--Neffyarious (talk) 03:06, September 2, 2016 (UTC)

I'll leave it up to you. I'll support whatever you decide. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:44, September 4, 2016 (UTC)
I wish he would slow down on his editing. when he was here he filled up the entire recent wiki activity every day with his non  stop editing. and he had to respond to every single edit on a forum or blog.  0551E80Y (talk) 07:10, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

I do think his block should be shortened, but I'm not sure if that means he should be unblocked completely immediately, or just have his block lessened.--Neffyarious (talk) 15:24, September 4, 2016 (UTC)

  • I'll lessen it to two weeks, that should do for now.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:08, September 5, 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good, I think he'll be happy with that. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:46, September 7, 2016 (UTC)

Edit war

The user "YonedgeHp" is edit warring on Goku Black page, removing confirmed information, as you can see here:

I asked a few times by a source. You put the source here rather than in Article. Yon!米津愛主!Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! 05:48, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

As I said many times, I will not provide source for you whenever you show up randomly here. If you do not know anything about Dragon Ball Heroes, do not edit at all. This is actually the last time I say this to you, otherwise you will be reported immediately. Go find something else to do rather than removing information that you do not know about. Bargeta (talk) 05:52, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

That's not how it works, when you ask a source of something that has not yet left in the game, is given. It's like if I put in Article unconfirmed information and you ask where's the source and I tell you that look on your own. Yon!米津愛主!Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! 05:55, September 12, 2016 (UTC)

Here is how it works here if you want information that not everyone knows about like Super Black Kamehameha to stay in the article you put the source in reference tags. Also you don't tell someone to go look it up when if you made the edit you are supposed to provide the source. Bargeta you have been here long enough to know that or you should by now.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:01,9/12/2016 

Also Bargeta your edit was the disputed edit so instead of re-adding it you should have used the article talk page but the bottom line is this all this could have ben avoided if you would have added the source.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:05,9/12/2016 

Goku20 is correct. Without a source, readers will assume the info is fake, which makes the entire Wiki less credible. Sources are required, especially when the info is obscure or new. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:03, September 15, 2016 (UTC)

Edit war

The users "Neffyarious" and "Goku20" are edit warring on Super Saiyan 3's article, adding false information, as we do not treat "Majin Vegeta" as a corrupted/alternated form for Super Saiyan 2, but these two citizens do for Super Saiyan 3. The user "Goku20" confessed that he is creating a conflict/edit warring just for the sake of "dispute", as he does not have any proof (that I asked for) that Majin Vegeta has a corrupted form of Super Saiyan 3.

Also, "BabyKratos" (or something like that) is edit warring on Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2's article, he also keeps adding false information about the game being released in "PlayStation Vita", when it was just confirmed for PS4, X-Box One and PC. Bargeta (talk) 18:21, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

If I am correct if the info has been on the article for over a week it has been accepted by the community. Also Neffy is an admin, plus Majin Vegeta was never called Prince of Darkness or whatever the hell the Majin Forms are called in DBH till then so yea. Also I would like to point out that me and Neffy both disputed your edit and you would not use the article talk page to discuss this matter like the rules say to.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:26,9/17/2016 

Oh calm down you two please I have question, to problem is to Local Multiplayer the 2 Players of Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 1 in World Tournament Stage is like Budokai (series) not Budokai Tenkaichi (series). BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 18:40, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

The line merely points out a game appearance where two statuses are uniquely combined: the power boost and taint of Majin and the SS3 transformation. Seems fine to me. -- SSJ4 Goku(2),

No it is not fine. Regular Vegeta also has Super Saiyan 3 and even the "regular" Majin Vegeta has that in his name, but we do not say it is a corrupted version of Super Saiyan 2 because that is not what it is, and the same goes for Super Saiyan 3, it is saying "Hakaio" because we are talking about the Majin version and Super Saiyan 3 because that is the form he is using. Calling "Hakaio Super Saiyan 3" a corrupted version is the same as creating a new form, which is not the case.

I do not know why citizens that do not know ANYTHING about the game keep adding false information, leave that zone to the ones that actually know it. Bargeta (talk) 04:56, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

  • Your assuming I know nothing about the game? Why? I know that "Majin Vegeta" is not called "Majin Vegeta" in the game, he's called "Hakaio Vegeta".--Neffyarious (talk) 05:20, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

And obviously he is at Super Saiyan 2, yet, we do not call him "corrupted version of Super Saiyan 2". So why are you so willing to create forms that do not exist? First Demigra, now this.

Hakaio = Majin version/state (because there's regular Vegeta and even there's GT version and both also have Super Saiyan 3) Super Saiyan 3 = the form he is using.

It is that simple, there's no such thing as "corrupted version". So stop creating forms that do not exist. Bargeta (talk) 05:25, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

  • I'm not creating forms that don't exist though... and I didn't with Demigra either. In the game when Vegeta transforms into SS2 "Majin" Vegeta he becomes "Hakaio" Vegeta, and when he transforms into SS3 ""Majin" Vegeta he becomes "Hakaio SS3" Vegeta. That's where the "form that does not exist" comes from see.--Neffyarious (talk) 05:34, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Also I would like to add that the discussion is supposed to be done on the Super Saiyan 3 article talk page not here.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:51,9/19/2016 

All I said was that I don't know anything about the game. But the user who added the "false" Information does and is an admin and he disputed Bargeta's edit first. Bargeta is not following site policy the rules state that when an edit is disputed (like his was by both me and Neffy) and if a user continues to make or undo the same edit three or more times in a 24 hour period then it is an edit war and for the article to be left as it was before the disputed edit (Bargeta's) was made and for it to be discussed on the article talk page. -unsigned

I'll leave this to Neffyarious. It looks like this is semantics, perhaps a rewording would be helpful to satisfy everyone. The info is worth noting though, since SS3 Majin is rather unique. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:30, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Neffyarious does not know about Dragon Ball Heroes too, this is actually the third time he is trying to create forms that do not exist (the first one being "Super Saiyan 2 Third Grade enhanced", and the second one a form that Demigra does not have). You should choose better the mods here. Again, Neffyarious does not know about Heroes, and his info about "corrupted version" of Super Saiyan 3 will not be allowed, as it does not exist. Bargeta (talk) 02:36, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Another One

Hey 10X, can you block this guy? He's spamming the forums with a bunch of topics consisting of random numbers/letters and what looks to be a foreign language. I'm not sure if they mean anything but I'm pretty confident he's trolling. Thanks!

(Edit: I put it through google translate, apparently he's speaking indonesian and he's talking about selling abortions. Odd topic to discuss on an English DB wiki haha. Glad our demographic stretches out to Indonesian abortion salesmen. )  -- Final ChidoriTalk 21:52, September 17, 2016 (UTC)

Scratch that all, seems like he's been globally blocked by Wikia now. Guess you could say his advertisement plans were...aborted. -- Final ChidoriTalk 02:32, September 18, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. Stay vigilant! -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:43, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

He's back0551E80Y (talk) 13:50, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Looks like he's blocked again, Wikia seems to be handling it themselves for now. -- Final ChidoriTalk 19:18, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Edit war

Bargeta will not follow site policy and is edit warring on Super Saiyan 3, me and Neffy both have already undone his edit and he will not use the article talk page, he prefers to just keep on remaking his edit. He is showing complete disregard for the rules.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:53,9/19/2016 

Hakaio = Majin version/state (because there's regular Vegeta and even there's GT version and both also have Super Saiyan 3). Super Saiyan 3 = the form he is using.

10X Kamehameha, when you resolve this situation, please remember that Dragon Ball Heroes does not treat Majin Vegeta Super Saiyan 3 as a corrupted version of the form. It is a regular Super Saiyan 3. Bargeta (talk) 18:57, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

You are supposed to use the article talk page not an admin's which I said in the section you made about the previous edit war but you still do not follow site policy.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:58,9/19/2016 

10X this is the third time that he has not used the article talk page to defend his opinion. You have even said that he needs to start.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:36,9/19/2016 

Bargeta is still not using the talk page and is edit warring on the Super Saiyan 3 page Nikon23 03:27, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

10X said to let Neffy handle it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:30,9/21/2016 

Leave 10X Kamehameha alone. That is an issue between me and Neffyarious, and it should have been since the beginning. That means, all of you should get the heck outta here. Bargeta (talk) 03:33, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

No it don't, don't be so hostile to us.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:39,9/21/2016 


Hey, i dont know if you remember me. I was the one asking about the possibility for a Discussion section on the Dragon Ball Wikia app.

Out of curiosity, I emailed the main wikia wondering if the feature would come to the app. I got a reply saying that it was up to the admins of this Wikia which I wasnt aware of.

I know it maybe out of place to ask, but do you think that's something that would be requested? I understand, its more work for you guys. I think all wikia pages would benefit from having a discussion section.

Im only asking so persistently because Ive been hoping the feature would come.

Let me know! Have a good day!

SSJ3 Rusticus (talk) 19:47, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

I'm fine with it, but we haven't been given instructions on modifying the app. They created it, let us know, and said we don't have to do anything to it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:32, September 21, 2016 (UTC)
Ok, sounds good. I send an email right away!
SSJ3 Rusticus (talk) 18:27, September 21, 2016 (UTC) 
Hey guys, I thought I'd drop in to clarify: The app is something Wikia developed and for which admins don't need to do anything besides curate a mobile main page. That is shown to both app users and users who visit the wiki via their phone's browser. You do have something added there, but you could showcase even more of your awesome content by adding featured content to the mobile main page. (If you need a refresher on what that is and how it works, see Help:Curated Main Page).
To get back to Discussions: That's not an app-only feature, it's an addition to the community as a whole. You can access it on the web on your laptop or desktop just as well. For example, see the Fallout Discussions.
Here is our staff blog post that explains what Discussions is and what it can and can't do for your wiki: Introducing Discussions, a New Platform For Engaging Your Community. If this is something you think your community could benefit from, and if the admin team here is willing to take on the extra responsibility, you can simply send a request via Special:Contact to have it added. You can write to us if you have more questions about it, too! Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 08:22, September 22, 2016 (UTC)


Please visit the chat Meshack (talk) 02:03, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Frieza inconsistency

How is Beerus telling Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta an inconsistency? I just means Frieza simply had multiple reasons to destroy the planet - the Saiyan's power, and Beerus telling him to destroy them. Frieza and Beerus' battle interaction in Xenoverse references both reasons for destroying the Saiyans, which proves that they can exist alongside each other without being inconsistent.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:49, September 21, 2016 (UTC)

Seems like an obvious retcon. Frieza destroying planet Vegeta was the motivation for most events in the first plot of Z. Frieza was afraid a Super Saiyan would appear (or he was afraid of a rebellion, or a rebellion was happening lol, lots of versions). A Saiyan appears and becomes a Super Saiyan driven by rage over the action Frieza took to prevent such an occurrence in the first place. It was well thought out and excellent. 20 years later we're supposed to believe Frieza did it because he was ordered to by an entity that wasn't invented yet in real life? No way. Toriyama wanted an excuse to tie Super to Z and make Beerus seem embedded in the lore rather than a recent event, and in doing so contradicted one of the most important parts of Z. The game mentioning both doesn't mean anything, they're just acknowledging that both facts exist. The whole ordeal changes Frieza from a complex and flawed paranoid dictator to a slave following orders out of fear. I don't think we can overlook this. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:03, September 22, 2016 (UTC)

No, the game perfectly links the two reasons for Planet Vegeta's destruction together in a way that does not cause inconsistency. You see, while it's true that Beerus told Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta, it's not actually said anywhere that Frieza destroyed it because Beerus wanted him to. So the two can go hand in hand without behind inconsistent. Xenoverse proves it.

Here's how their interaction goes in Xenoverse:

Beerus says: "Ah Frieza, Seems like you destroyed Planet Vegeta just as I asked"
Frieza responds: "I destroyed the Saiyans because I found them to be an eyesore. I am not your underling".

--Neffyarious (talk) 07:56, September 22, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay, that's a pretty great explanation : ) We should definitely include that quote on Frieza's article, in his personality section maybe. It seems a bit obscure but it's quite important. I'm okay with the inconsistency being removed. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:00, September 24, 2016 (UTC)


If Vegito turned SSJ4, what would he look like? —This unsigned comment was made by LightningStriker17 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Probably a lot like SS4 Gogeta, but with Vegito's clothing: SSJ4_12%C2%B9.jpg -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:06, September 24, 2016 (UTC)


look! Meshack keeps reverting all of my edits, he keeps adding quotes to the Future Trunk Saga name on all character's page and won't provide a source Nikon23 03:28, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

10X, this user is exactly why I got blocked previously. He deliberately undid something that was unneeded to do. The quotes are need just like in Resurrection ‘F’. 10X, if I serious get a warning after something he started even though I gave the Japanese and romaji and listed a source, that will prove how horrible this system is. If this user is not dealt with, this wiki will have o hope and I will not be returning. He just undoes perfectly fine edits Meshack (talk) 03:35, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Neffy said provide a source. so where is your source? Nikon23 03:37, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

The SOURCE was already present 03:42, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Resurrection F was written and presented as Resurrection "F' in the english dub and etc. where's your source for the Future Trunks Saga being called the "Future" Trunks Saga in Dragon Ball Super? this is nothing personal, you're taking it that way. did i say anything else about your edit on Videl's page, no because you had a source and i let it go. now i ask you once again where's is your source Nikon23 03:46, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Look the at Future Trunks Saga. It's already there. There's a reference. You need to learn before you flippin undo my edits Meshack (talk) 03:48, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

when someone asks you to provide a source you need to learn to follow direction and provide an source. you only provided a source now, because you was reported to adminstration. that's all you had to do in the first place. it was nothing personal. you need to work of your attitude, sir Nikon23 03:56, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

I warned you meshack that you would hit a road block with the path you chosen. had you listened to me and SLOWED DOWN on your editing you would take in what other people are saying and avoided this mess althogether. 0551E80Y (talk) 08:15, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Seems like you two resolved this. Sources are always beneficial, especially when the info is obscure or when someone recommends one be added. Neither of you should take these things so personally. We're all on the same team trying to make the site as great as it can be, even when we disagree on how to do that. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:10, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

You know what, I apologize. You was right. this is a team effort. --Nikon23 07:01, September 25, 2016 (UTC)

thought you should kno

I thought you should know that i advised (as regular user to regular user) DragonEmperor not to blank the articles that he tags for deletion twice.--Made up Character Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Page I ignore Things I do petition for db fusions outside of japan-euro-amerca 06:47, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

Content moderator

Hi 10x, since there are a lot of users editing right now, edit wars are bound to happen, and since it's not always that admins are online, I ask if you would please add Final Chidori as a content moderator. Here's an explanation to what a content moderator is, but basically they can protect and delete pages in case of edit wars etc. Final Chidori is a nice guy and would be able to settle edit wars without bias, so I recommend him. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 18:23, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

I agree Chidori would be an excellent moderator i also hope he gets syosp rights as well. 0551E80Y (talk) 00:47, September 25, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the recommendation. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:07, September 26, 2016 (UTC)
Well, I guess promoting him to admin is fine too I guess. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 22:53, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

As an admin, he should be able to do anything a content moderator can. If not, let me know and I'll add those rights. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:47, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

Content Moderators are a step below admins. They almost do the exact same thing an admin does, except they can't "block"/unblock users or moderate chat. They cannot ban from chat either/nor manage user rights for another user. It's pretty much a role for someone you don't trust with blocking but trust with deletion/protection rights. --Riptoze 00:10, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

Other dubs

Can we not add voice actors and names from other dubs other than the English dub and the Japanese version? Meshack (talk) 23:49, September 24, 2016 (UTC)

This is a matter for the MoS talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:32, September 26, 2016 (UTC)


There's a particular user who has edited certain character pages in a way that a characters biography now includes what they did in Battle of Gods and Resurrection F immediately before similar events in Dragon Ball Super.

Is that right? It was never like that before. Such information was in the Film Appearances section for obvious reasons.

The MoS says Biography (series). So why is movie stuff in the series section?

It makes the page look dreadful too.

Since he movies cover the Super anime and manga plot, all 3 of which are extremely similar, the content should be combined using he multiple sources convention as described in the MoS. I would need to see the edits you are referring to definitively say they are good or bad, but in principle you are correct. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:34, September 26, 2016 (UTC)
I found the edits and you are correct. That user was making bad edits. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:41, September 26, 2016 (UTC)
So should the biography information for the Battle of Gods and Resurrection movies not even be included on the page then? That information should be combined with the Super biography section?Bullza (talk) 02:44, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

It's fine to have a separate entry in the Films section, just not two of the same content in the bio. I believe the MoS talk page has some discussion on the details and best practices. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:07, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

Another question

Do the events of Yo Son Goku and his Friends count as part of the Film appearences or the main biography?

Technically it's not a movie or a series. I'd say it'd seem better suit for the biography but if that's not how it's supposed to be...

He's sort of messed the pages up now and I don't know if that was included or not before and I can't fix it if I don't know and nobody else seems to be fixing it either.

Now the 10 years later section is before the Super section even though it was set after. So is it supposed to go after the Future Trunks saga stuff?Bullza (talk) 06:11, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

The order is chronological by media type, with Yo! as part of the anime. So most of DBZ, then Yo! then Super, then 10 years later. Meshack messed up the formatting on a lot of pages but you can always use the article history to go back to any earlier version. Are you familiar with using article history? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:57, September 26, 2016 (UTC)

I am not no but it'd be useful to know what it is. At the moment I'm just trying to fix what Meshack did but at the same time I'm trying to make the character pages consistent with each other so all the sections are in the same order and what not. I'm likely doing something I shouldn't somewhere but it can't stop the way it is now I guess.Bullza (talk) 00:13, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

Use the MoS for the order of the sections.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:23,9/27/2016 

The MoS doesn't include a List of characters killed by section. Is that required? Bullza (talk) 00:38, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

I don't know but what I am thinking is that since most other character's list of characters killed by has it's own article maybe we should do that for the ones that are still on character articles like Piccolo.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:41,9/27/2016 

Well a few of the characters still have it on their page but then there's that few kills it's not really worth making an entire page for. I don't see why there can't just be the one page that lists all the kills by characters with a worthwhile kill count.Bullza (talk) 00:54, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

A separate page isn't needed unless the list is very long. The norm is no, yes is the exception. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:15, September 28, 2016 (UTC)

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Why? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:58, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
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I guess my issue here is we seem to be shortchanged in this footer. Despite Dragon Ball having a currently running anime and manga Dragon Ball Super we've been pushed down to the fine print in the bottom of this template. We're not a finished series. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:35, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Actually, fine print at the bottom within an invisible (on mobile) scroll bar. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:37, October 1, 2016 (UTC)

Goku Black

This is probably a strange suggestion, but could you protect Goku Black for a week from non-sysops? There are a massive amount of conflicting edits and the whole page is just chaotic. It should really be left as it is until more is revealed in the next episode and people calm down, or the content on the page will be screwed over. ~~ IST O L E T H E P I ES π 00:55, October 3, 2016 (UTC)

Currently, new editors can't edit it, and only admins can rename it. I think that's sufficient for now. By the way, you should check out my signature tutorial linked at the top of this page. It shows how to prevent all the code from being copied every time you post by using a second sig page. Right now your sig clutters up whatever pages you post to for anyone editing in source mode. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:31, October 4, 2016 (UTC)

Feedback Survey

Hey 10X, I created a Google Forms feedback survey for the wiki to gather some possible suggestions and maybe gain a few users. I was thinking about posting this to the subreddit first for a trial run, then posting it to other forums such as the Kazenshuu forum. Think it's a good idea? I'm not completely sure myself since the wiki gets a lot of flak on some forums (particularly the Kazenshuu one), but I think it would be nice to get some outside input on the wiki. -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:31, October 8, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the point if this is. If you go ask other websites, most of which are probably unhappy that we are by far the most popular DB fan site, what they think of us it will all be negative or recommendations to be more like them. For users on this Wiki, they can and do say what they want to change and are empowered to do so themselves. I think your survey is going to be a channel for people who don't have this site's best interests in mind to spread hate. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:26, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

The results would be sent to a private spreadsheet so even if it gets a bunch of hate, it wouldn't be public. I'm sure it'll get a bunch of negativity, but I think it's worth sifting through that in order to see some outside input on the wiki. While some people don't have the best reasons to dislike the wiki, I'm sure there's a bunch of people who have totally valid reasons for not editing/having an account here and I'd like to see some of those and keep them in mind going forward. -- Final ChidoriTalk 00:35, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

I don't support asking competitors for tips, because it's begging for negativity and even sabotage through intentionally bad suggestions. However, I won't try and dissuade you from doing anything on sites outside of here. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:45, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

That's a good point, I'll post to the subreddit first since they're not exactly competitors and we share some of our users with them. If it works out nicely, I'll consider moving on to other forums. Thanks for the input! -- Final ChidoriTalk 02:23, October 10, 2016 (UTC)


On the subject of Goku Black, do you think we should keep the page name as "Goku Black", or change it to "Zamasu (Goku Black)", now that we know that he is an incarnation of Zamasu.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:55, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

Actually scratch that, the new episode (and supplementary material for it) says that Goku Black and Present Zamasu are the same character.

However, due to how incredibly confusing it is (due to the differing natures of the Time Ring and Time Machine, and the presence of acausality to explain why Black is not erased from existence), I would like your input on creating the final version of the article - in order to try and make it as easy to understand as possible.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:23, October 9, 2016 (UTC)

If it's not already so, we should certainly have a separate article for Future Zamasu (immortal body), similar to how we handle multiple Trunks. Present Zamasu/Goku Black should be merged if they are the same person (I didn't catch today's new ep yet). Like Ginyu, I recommend Zamasu in the infobox not Goku's body. Chronologically, we'll have to do our best and be flexible as the story progresses. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:32, October 10, 2016 (UTC)
We already have a separate page for Future Zamasu (immortal body). I altered the picture for Present Zamasu to depict him in his normal body like you asked, so I'll implement it later, once I've added the final touches to the article.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:39, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

Meshack.... again....

Meshack has contacted me again claiming that he was wrongfully blocked by you. He has presented me with his side of the argument (which was extremely lengthy) - which indicates that his block was due to a misunderstanding. Of course his side of the argument is obviously his view alone and could easily be skewed, even so can you show me all the things that lead to his block? Sorry for the trouble, I don't believe you were in the wrong, but I have to check up on these things.--Neffyarious (talk) 06:40, October 14, 2016 (UTC)

I'm disappointed to see you doubting my commitment to the site, especially when the person you're listening to was blocked not once but many times, including by you less than a year ago. He's been blocked many times for many reasons by multiple admins. I left a lengthy note on his talk page explaining why he was blocked, including some follow-up explanations with details. That's what I usually do when I block someone, so please check it out. For things like chat, there is no record. For his edits, read through his contributions. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:05, October 16, 2016 (UTC)
I'm not doubting your commitment, I said that I did not think you were in the wrong. Sorry, It's just that as an admin I have to check up when an editor makes a complaint (even when I don't want to) claiming that they have been treated wrongly, you know it's part of the job. I don't know the specifics of his block so I have to find them out from the one who did the blocking in order to resolve the conflict. There were adequate reasons to block him though, so I'm just gonna leave it be. Again, sorry to bother you.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:48, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

I'm happy to answer any specific questions about it if you feel there's more info needed aside from the several notes I left on his talk page and his contributions. It's a little too broad to just ask for "all the things" when I've already done so on his talk page. I'm just not keen on redundancy. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:20, October 16, 2016 (UTC)

  • Oh don't worry, I checked what you said to him on his talk page like you told me to, and I checked his revisions as well: he was making big changes without discussing first and seemed to also be edit warring on occasion in the week that he was unblocked. So there's no need for any more discussion on the matter. Thanks.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:25, October 16, 2016 (UTC)


10X, can you plz add Rollback rights to my bot account? I wanted to do something without flooding the Recent changes but couldn't, because it requires Rollback, something that my bot account doesn't have, so I did it with my regular account. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:24, October 17, 2016 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the good work using your bot. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:27, October 18, 2016 (UTC)


BREKKU keeps removing sources from xenoverse 2 page on Future Trunks (Super). he has done so about 4 times now. told neffy four times also. Nikon23 17:12, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

Make it 5 times now that he has removed sources and info.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:16,10/21/2016 

Brekku is edit warring again.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:12,10/21/2016 

He has insulted me sei proprio uno sfigato però , non vedo l'ora che esca così capirete che ho ragione , dio porco. I used google translation and here is what it translates to "you're just one loser, however, I can not wait to come out so you'll understand that I'm right, god pig."  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:21,10/21/2016 

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:28, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

Another message and insult but just the translation "but they get there, ignorant of shit? lousy loser, would never see a character in a dlc trailer / gameplay. cancaro".  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:29,10/21/2016 

"black goku is shown on the roster of the trailer? MADONNA NO BITCH! Fuck you get there or not ?! if it was shown on the roster of the gameplay you'd be right, but it is not so pig god" his most recent message.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:40,10/21/2016 

Their is no point is using the article talk page over Future Trunks (Dragon Ball Super) being dlc because I provided a source plus I called GameStop and asked them and they said he was going to be which I already knew, plus Early Access means DLC. Which I explained to BREKKU on his page back when he first started an edit war over this crap. Also a section was made the last time their was an edit war over this and no one but me and Nikon used it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:50,10/21/2016 


Hi 10x...I just think that this should be stated in the super saiyan article... regarding that Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more. What do tou think? Omegamon (talk) 08:37, November 11, 2016 (UTC)

I'll start by letting you know (apologies if you already know) SS2 and SS3 are used by multiple characters, including Goku, in Super. With that in mind, Toriyama's statement amounts to one of several of the Super creators stating his expectation for the series, an expectation that turned out to be false. Because it was false, we obviously can't cite the statement as a fact affecting our interpretations of the SS2 and SS3 forms. Rather, it serves to give us some insight into how creators other than Toriyama can override his plans, and/or how Toriyama changes his own plans for the Super series over time. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:26, November 12, 2016 (UTC)


Hello, Meshack is using a new account named User:Godccolo. Proof being this and this (as well as IP). --Riptoze 20:03, November 15, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:04, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
I see NWG asking Meshack to make a sock to come back to something called DBU wiki after getting himself blocked there, then godccolo is created there and NWG thanks Meshack a day later on something called DW wiki. DBU must be a very strange place for admins to undermine each other by encouraging rulebreakers to break more rules. Anyway, this seems a little light to block godccolo on this alone, unless there is some IP evidence you're aware of. I say we wait and see if more evidence presents itself. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:46, November 16, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I can safely ensure that there is IP evidence to support the connection. Godccolo is using two IP's that Meshack has used on a few other wikis. Though I have no objection for waiting to see what his behavior will be on the account. --Riptoze 15:38, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I didn't realize you were VSTF. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:58, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

wow i can't believe he blames me for geting him blocked. he got himself blocked Nikon23 00:30, November 18, 2016 (UTC)


Hey 10X, Meshack is contacting me and requesting for all of his article contributions to be deleted. Would you happen to know if we're supposed to do this or not?  As far as I know, we're not obligated to do that as his edits now belong to Wikia, but he's insisting that I'm wrong and that we have to blank them all out. Thanks. -- Final ChidoriTalk 20:40, November 17, 2016 (UTC)

He is wrong/lying to you. Everything we do here belongs to Wikia. We do not own our contributions or IP, and as such we cannot take it back. In turn, our contributions are attributed to us through article history and user names. We get credit, but not ownership. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:49, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Latest News on main page:

can you change the info on the latest news to Dragon Ball: Xenoverse 2 was released globally. it still says Dragon Ball Xenoverse was relased globally. Nikon23 01:26, November 18, 2016 (UTC)

Sure! I'll take care of it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:55, November 18, 2016 (UTC)
Final Chidori took care of it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:25, November 20, 2016 (UTC)

Bad behavior

This user keeps insulting me and telling me that I shut up in my talk page, without any reason. Yon!米津愛主!Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! 16:35, November 24, 2016 (UTC)

I can't tell what he's upset about. Why don't you try leaving him a message on his talk page asking what he wants? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:45, November 25, 2016 (UTC)

Edit War: HollowIchigo58

HollowIchigo is edit warring on the Demigra pages, and refuses to use the talk page, as per the policy. He is also name calling Goku20 by calling him a faker.--Made up Character Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Page I ignore Things I do 09:42, November 28, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:56, November 29, 2016 (UTC)

False information

Let us see if this time you will be a good moderator and will do something about it. The user Kidd.zaayy is edit warring on Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan article, adding false information onto it. Bargeta (talk) 19:27, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

The said user continues to edit war and is not willing to leave the page as it was. Bargeta (talk) 23:06, December 7, 2016 (UTC)

I left him a warning. -- Final ChidoriTalk 00:04, December 8, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks FC. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:48, December 8, 2016 (UTC)

Old Account Contribution purge

I don't know if you have the Javascript, but I'd like you to purge the Leo Kazisaski account Contributions. Here's the Javascript if needed

Alissa the Wise Wolf (talk) 09:52, December 15, 2016 (UTC)

Why? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:32, December 16, 2016 (UTC)

Edit war

Some people keep constantly adding false information on Goku Black's article. Bargeta (talk) 03:05, December 25, 2016 (UTC)

I looked, can you be more specific? Which edits didn't you like? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:21, December 26, 2016 (UTC)

He is talking about the edits where it says that Goku Black was Super Saiyan 2 in the manga more specificly IStoleThePies edits. Just look at the edit summary's.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  04:50,12/26/2016 

I'm happy to help if you want, but you should usually try talking to the user before going to an admin. For instance, you could leave a message on his talk page telling him to check out the Goku Black talk page, where users such as myself are discussing this very issue. That's exactly what I'll do if you want me to step in. Edit summaries are not adequate for resolving true conflicts. He's not adding false info, he's just saying his side of a debate but he's doing it the wrong way. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:10, December 27, 2016 (UTC)


Nothing important or urgent but just thought I would let you know about this thread. It doesn't need your attention but if it were me, I would like to be aware of it just to know what's happening. --Riptoze 22:38, December 29, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Anyone can check out my talk page on Sanjuro Wiki and Meshack's block log and contributions on DB Wiki and quickly find the truth. I left a reply on the thread. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:56, December 30, 2016 (UTC)


Somehow a lot of people have been removing categories from pages when editing. I have been trying to fix it, but I suggest you consider recruiting more Rollbacks from trusted, active and experienced users. It may be a glitch or something. Zane T 69 (talk) 20:27, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

Hi there! Thanks for letting me know. Could you give an example? Generally if the edits are good but they cause a glitch, Rollback is the wrong tool to fix it. Regular editing allows us to preserve the good parts of edits while undoing accidents caused by the same edit. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:06, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

[[10]] That, specifically CoolerthanFrieza's edit. I'm not saying he vandalized, but that it was an accident. I also think it might be due to using visual editor, I just saw something similar on HP Wiki. [11] If you look there, they seem to having the same problem and blame it on visual editor. I suggest you encourage users to use source editor and have your rollbacks keep watch on Special:Recentchanges it shows byte reductions and additions. Which can allow you to see an odd byte reduction and quickly fix it. Zane T 69 (talk) 04:33, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:59, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Main Page

Hey 10X, I'd like to hear your (and anyone else who happens to be reading this) opinion on this list of proposed changes on the main page. Thanks! — Final ChidoriTalk 02:26, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:59, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Content

I may very well be stepping out of line( and probably on some toes) for making this comment but I feel it has to be said.  The amount of questionable content on this wiki is disturbing.  When I say questionable, I mean unsourced and opinionative.  I have not made very many edits in since joining mostly because of my wanting to avoid rubbing people the wrong way.  And I know that you know that wiki users,  admin and normal editors, can have minor meltdowns because of it.  Not to point at anyone, but there is a common theme with the Super Saiyan Full Power name, which is currently under Super Saiyan Fourth Grade which is the name used in the same document that refers to Super Saiyan 2 as Super Saiyan Fifth Grade.  Not stopping there, it also brings back up the "Chou Super Saiyan" from last year which is simply a common practice for mangas to include katakana lettering along with kanji to make reading simpler.  Another issue comes from the practice of adding pictures to techniques that they are not associated with.  I had a conversation a while back that where another editor stated that a picture of an energy blast should be added simply to have more pictures on the page.  This was on the Final Kamehameha page, which currently has plenty of correct pictures, but it is still a common problem (See Super God Fist, Saiyan Soul).  There are plenty more examples but, I won't waste any more of your time if you don't want to hear.  Thanks. Stitchking1 (talk) 20:18, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

You have brought forward two examples of content which is sourced, and not based on an opinion. I don't understand why you think otherwise. The Super Saiyan 2 article remains named such. As to the error you brought up that might be real, if there is 1 image on the wrong technique article, then move it to the correct one. Use your editing rights before running to the bureaucrat telling them their Wiki sucks because you might have found a misplaced image and you will be more productive and less likely to "rub people the wrong way." Sorry to be so forward, but you were yourself. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:41, January 3, 2017 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Z / Dragon Ball Super stories

Previously, we decided that we should merge the events of the movies Battle of Gods and Resurrection F and the DBS sagas Battle of Gods Saga and Resurrection F Saga together on character pages due to being very similar. However I think we should maybe change this, you see the DB SSSS website refers to the two movies collectively as being a saga of Dragon Ball Z - the "Gods of the Universe Saga", while the recent trailer for Toei refers to the first two sagas of Dragon Ball Super as the "God of Destruction Beerus Saga" and the "Golden Frieza Saga". So, while these events are very similar to each other, due to official sources referencing these as being three separate sagas, I suggest that we separate the BoG and RF movie info from the Beerus Saga and Golden Frieza Saga information on character pages, and put it under the Dragon Ball Z section under the label of "Gods of the Universe Saga".--Neffyarious (talk) 02:24, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

We already knew the movies had different names from the anime sagas, so you haven't discovered something new here. If we want put the Super movies in the movies section, that's an option. However, listing the Super events (including the 2 "DBZ" Super movies) twice in a row in the bios section would be redundant, chaotic, and overall confusing for the readers. Leaving the Super movies in the bio section as the primary source for the first 2 Super sagas has the benefit of being a higher canon than those sagas in the anime, but having them twice in a row in the bio section is the worst option. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:41, January 4, 2017 (UTC)
Fine, but we should still include reference to the "Gods of the Universe Saga" on the pages, perhaps using it as a section and having Battle of Gods and Resurrection F as subsections of that section, like this. Not a big change at all really.--Neffyarious (talk) 13:57, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

Seems a little redundant, but if it's just one extra line I don't think anyone would mind. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:56, January 5, 2017 (UTC)


Hey there 10x i was wondering if you could check out the page "wedding dress saga" me and a few other useres such as Neffyarious have been trying yo get rid of it because its not a real saga. We greatly could use your input for this situation. So far no one has brought up any real proof that its a real saga. Please check out the talk page and let me know what you think. Thanks.--VegitoSSVegito SSJ4SSJ4 VegetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSupremegogetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSs4goku animeSs4GOGETAGogeta photo 18:29, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

Here is the page in question. Yon!米津愛主!Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! 19:31, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

Sure, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:16, January 8, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to Neffyarious i believe the page has been debunked. Please take anothee look VegitoSSVegito SSJ4SSJ4 VegetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSupremegogetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSs4goku animeSs4GOGETAGogeta photo 11:47, January 9, 2017 (UTC)

I've been following. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:28, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Alright? Lol so are you gonna leave it? Because everything it was clinging to was takem away from it. VegitoSSVegito SSJ4SSJ4 VegetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSupremegogetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSs4goku animeSs4GOGETAGogeta photo 01:39, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

What is clinging to something taken away? Be specific. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:20, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Cell 17

Was it okay for me to expand the article? He is a character in Fusions, and I may be bad at the romaji stuff, but I just wanted to feel the article so it looks like an actual article.--Made up Character Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Page I ignore Things I do 07:04, January 9, 2017 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:29, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
What about image? All I did is screen dump form a youtube clip, and marked as general. I wasn't sure what licensing it belonged to. I'll see if i can do for the other stubs, but the appearance isn't my strong suit you should see some of my appearance descriptions for my fanon characters on the Dragon Ball Fanon Wiki.--Made up Character Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Page I ignore Things I do 02:24, January 10, 2017 (UTC)
Sounds like it's the best we can do for now. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:01, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
I did my best for stub articles regarding Dragon Ball Fusions; Fusion articles created by User:Orati, and I don't have enough information regarding Pipirika, and Wanta. But Do the random characters need their own articles, or could we make a list specifically for them?--Made up Character Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Page I ignore Things I do 09:11, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

List of tertiary characters -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:59, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Sources for Trivia

Do we really need sources for trivia and also there's two items in Vegeta's trivia section that I think everyone knows by now and one in Future Trunks'. The one in Future Trunks' Trivia section that I am talking about is that his hobby is tinkering with machines, and the two in Vegeta's is that his hobby is training and that he will eat anything.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:07,1/9/2017 

Those trivia sound pretty useless, and are likely covered in the bodies of those articles. Everything needs a source, including trivia. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:38, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

Ok would it be ok for me to remove the trivia I mentioned.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:10,1/10/2017 

Shouldn't hobbies be listed under the personality section since hobbies usually to do with personality more than anything?--Made up Character Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Page I ignore Things I do 03:46, January 10, 2017 (UTC)

I went ahead and removed them.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:02,1/10/2017 

Yes, they should be in personality. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:01, January 11, 2017 (UTC)


I do not know what Nikon23 did but I tried to revert and it is no use. Can you fix Bardock's page? His manga image is not appearing. Bargeta (talk) 02:26, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

I've seen this happen on the Future Trunks article as well. It's weird, the tabbers work on some pages and they don't on others. I'll try asking around and getting it fixed. — Final ChidoriTalk 02:34, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

Unlicensed material

We have an article on the unlicensed Chinese Dragon Ball movie Dragon Ball: The Magic Begins because it was distributed by a proper organization. So I was wondering if we should have a page for the unlicensed Chinese Dragon Ball follow-up manga, Dragon Ball Tibetan Edition (also called Dragon Ball Zeroverse), which was commercially published by a legitimate publishing company (Tibet People's Publishing House) in China back around the time of GT's debut in other countries, thus making it as page-worthy as The Magic Begins.--Neffyarious (talk) 08:14, January 12, 2017 (UTC)

I think having neither is better. It's too hard/squishy to decide what is a "legitimate" publisher in the unlicensed domain. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 07:52, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
They might make good bullet items for the pop culture article if the releases/audience were very large, as in millions. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 07:54, January 13, 2017 (UTC)
Well apparently Tibetan Edition was basically China's equivalent of GT.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:41, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

I think that there needs to be a discussion about how we should treat unlicensed material on the wiki - to decide if it deserves spot because it was released by a legitimate organization or not because it was not licensed by the owners. If we do allow it on the wiki however, it should be treated as 100% non-canon. I've created a template for the few pages based on unlicensed material we currently have until we can decide what to do.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:51, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

The length of the template should be a warning to us of how confusing this will be for readers. China shouldn't have an "equivalent of GT" when GT exists and is universally available. Unlicensed work is a can of worms. I'm against it, other than the popular culture page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:24, January 14, 2017 (UTC)
I know, I just made the template as a temporary thing until this is sorted. I agree that unlicensed material does not deserve their own individual pages, but there is also a lot more to it than what is detailed on the pop culture article (due to being full commercially released material). How about we make a "List of (commercially released) unlicensed material" page?--Neffyarious (talk) 03:12, January 14, 2017 (UTC)

I'm not convinced we have a distinct criteria for helping us decide what commercially released but unofficial means, or what makes it more relevant to us than, say, a Youtube video about DBZ with a few million views. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:32, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

Well, unlike a YouTube video which can be released by anyone, these unlicensed material are commercially released by an actual business. I really don't care either way, it's just that can't pick and choose which commercially released unlicensed material should get pages, and if we choose not to allow them then we need to delete our articles on the two unlicensed movies.--Neffyarious (talk) 04:38, January 15, 2017 (UTC)

Seeing as how Youtube publishes both officially licensed content and illegal unlicensed content, both popular, the distinction is going to be very hard to create. Who's to say a full time "director" making illegal Chinese fan films is more or less legitimate than a full time "Youtuber" doing the same. Deleting the unlicensed content seems like the better course. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:56, January 15, 2017 (UTC)
Ok, so it's fine to just go ahead and delete these two pages and their subpages then?--Neffyarious (talk) 03:26, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

I recommend migrating the majority of the content to the list of influences on popular culture. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:03, January 17, 2017 (UTC)

This wikia is so plain.

We should give this place a background, it looks so dull.(Solus Prime (talk) 03:59, January 16, 2017 (UTC))

Not sure what you mean, it already has a background. — Final ChidoriTalk 06:31, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

I know what you mean man. This place is lacking something. It has no color. Its very plain. I actually talked to nontail a long time ago about changing the color to it and adding a brackground or something but we never got it. I made a blog about it. VegitoSSVegito SSJ4SSJ4 VegetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSupremegogetaGoku,Vegeta,Gogeta,VegitoSs4goku animeSs4GOGETAGogeta photo 06:36, January 16, 2017 (UTC)

Some wikis with backgrounds make it hard to read the text or quick links. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:59, January 17, 2017 (UTC)

Edit warring

The user "GokuRobert" is edit warring on Super Saiyan 3 article. Bargeta (talk) 01:07, January 17, 2017 (UTC)

I left him a message. No one has tried talking to him yet. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:16, January 17, 2017 (UTC)


See how at the bottom of the page there's a box with links to other chapters in the volume?

Where do I go to make one of those myself?Bullza (talk) 13:08, January 17, 2017 (UTC)

That's called a template, they are made in largely the same fashion as articles: type the url of the template you want to make then start editing. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:28, January 18, 2017 (UTC)

Got an Idea

Hey, you can tell me it's not my place ask this idea, but I have an idea that might prevent future edit wars. But what if we create a disputed page template so that when an edit dispute has occurred the template is placed above the page telling people of the dispute user's edit, and to use the talk page?--Made up Character Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Page I ignore Things I do 07:32, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

I don't think that will help. For one, people currently edit warring either don't know what an edit war is, or they know they are doing it and don't care. An article header is unlikely to solve either problem, whereas a short message on a usertalk page is. Second, while it sometimes seems like the Wiki revolves around a few hundred editors fervently updating everything, there are a thousand times more readers than editors. To them, the template would be confusing and intrusive to their site visit. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 14:30, January 22, 2017 (UTC)

Zamasu is God

Oh 10X, oh Zamasu is really verdad is an GOD. BabyKratosxZeus (talk) 02:46, February 22, 2017 (UTC)

What. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:58, February 22, 2017 (UTC)


The user DragonEmperor kept reverting my rename of the "Roh" page (currently, and incorrectly, "Rou") for no apparent reason. I stated my reason for the move countless times; I made a topic on the talk page without getting any reply; I even went to his talk page to ask him why, again with no reply; and he's still reverting.
It turns out that user has been blocked on the Yu-Gi-Oh! Wikia twice so far due to reverting perfectly fine edits without explanation.
Anyway, in his latest revision of the Roh move, he left the redirect, so I can't move it back. I'm asking you to move fix that, and to do something about DragonEmperor. Lightning Laxus (talk) 04:51, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

After investigating, your source Crunchyroll is more official than the article's current source, the fansite Kanzenshuu. Please update the article with the new name and your source as the reference. Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:50, February 28, 2017 (UTC)


Hello? This is, uh, Gojiran. I saw the Quillerkeenstar guy and the actions he had performed on Hit's page. 

Over on a roleplaying wikia I'm on (I am one of the bureaucrats on the website), we have somewhat of a history with this person. He had vandalized one page and we had blocked him indefinitely. Afterward, I restored the page to its original context. The page did have to do with Dragon Ball to some extent, which led me to the assumption he would route to here. Needless to say, I recommend blocking him indefinitely instead of 3 days--I believe he'll still carry on with his vandalism. However, if you feel otherwise, that's fine, but just be prepared for what he will do. If he does continue, that is.


Gojiran (talk) 14:08, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Your late on reporting this he has been blocked for 3 days, and he was blocked 2 days ago.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  14:25,3/4/2017 

Thank you for this warning. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:01, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

Redirects and Categories

I'm new to this wiki, and I was wondering if I could remove the redirects from the categories, or if they were supposed to be there, as other wikis don't include them in their categories. (Jimmy.robinson.5099 (talk) 16:18, March 4, 2017 (UTC))

Go ahead. Only the actual content articles should be categorized, not their redirects. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:03, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

Supreme Kai
I made a topic but nobody seems to be replying. Hoping you could get things going. Lightning Laxus (talk) 19:37, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

Okay, I replied. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:08, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

Attack names

I was thinking about a new policy for attack names, you know how some attacks have names that are literally just statements by the character (like "You Will Die By My Hand!" and "I Won't Let You Escape with Your Life!"), how about for attack names like these, if they have a name that is not a sentence (like how "You Will Die By My Hand" also has the name "Last Emperor", and "I Won't Let You Escape with Your Life" has "Death Psycho Bomb"), we will use the name that is not a quote and more fitting for a technique.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:03, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Sounds good, great idea. The "if they have a name that is not a sentence" will be key to implementation. We will likely find some attacks with only quote names, and the preference should be to leave those rarities as quotes and never use fan names (somebody will surely try, haha). -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:22, March 11, 2017 (UTC)

Edit war

The user 8 gates is edit warring on the kid buu page and has insulted users by calling them delusional. Multiple people have told him to stop and tried to explain why his edit was reverted but he keeps adding it back. I thought I should tell an admin instead of just going back and fourth, though I probably should have told one of you sooner but I was waiting to see if he would stop he has also called multiple users pathetic.Tyman1102 (talk) 23:24, March 25, 2017 (UTC)Tyman1102

Yup, that's your spin on it at least. You keep deleting official statements with cited sources because you think they're "wrong" even though that's not something you get to decide. You told me why you think I should just leave out official information, but your reasons held no water. You have a preconcieved notion, and your mad that not everyone conforms to them. That's your problem, not mine.

8Gates (talk) 23:32, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

That looks more like a description of what you're doing instead of Tyman. You can't always be right and you have to respect other users, site policy, and so on. Yon!米津愛主!Golden Frieza artVisit my talk page! 23:35, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

I kept deleting official statement with cited sources, then said it was "wrong" for no reason while telling him to stop posting it? Nice try, but no. You're not even trying to make a coherent argument for my supposed bad behavior.

You wanting to omit information for no reason whatsoever would inherently mean that you have preconcieved notions that you don't want being challenged, otherwise you wouldn't have any problems with me citing official sources on a wiki. 8Gates (talk) 23:38, March 25, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for agreeing yone. there's no point in fighting lets let 10x deal with it.Tyman1102 (talk) 23:51, March 25, 2017 (UTC)Tyman1102

Hello 8Gates and welcome to Wikia. This is a community website with content created and edited by many users. I recommend reading the links left on your talk page after your first edit, such as the Rules and Manual of Style. Because anyone can edit the site, the only moderation to prevent bad info from creeping in is other editors. How does a community decide what is good or bad? Discussion. We talk things over on the relevant article talk page and reach a consensus. Had you used the article talk page, I'm sure a lot of people (myself included) would have agreed with you and you would win the debate and everyone would be happy since the site had the best info possible. Instead, you actively responded that you would not follow policy because you were right, and then found yourself needing to argue all over multiple pages, with a common theme in others' responses of "use the process." Please consider following our policy and simply explaining yourself on the article talk page when someone disagrees with your edit. It will get more attention there from more users than your own userspace. It's easier than arguing everywhere since you only have to write your thoughts in one place, too. As a convention, we leave the article as it was before any disputed edits until a consensus is reached on the article's talk page—editing before a consensus after a disputed edit is called Edit Warring.
The alternative is you continue to ignore our policies, upset everyone, and end up losing editing privileges. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:41, March 26, 2017 (UTC)


The forums are being spammed en masse again.

I am marking all the spam messages that I see pop up for deletion. Not sure if that helps you guys or not, but it has been going on for over an houe now with seemingly no admin/mod intervention, so I assume you guys are quite busy. Sol Ember ~Team Phoenix~ (talk) 17:24, April 5, 2017 (UTC)

Looks like an admin took care of it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka