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Hey 10X back when everything that User:Anemicne wanted you to help deal with was going on we didn't have the North America Release date and him and Legoviking were both trying to say that it was coming out the 17th of February which it is but at that time only the steam version had that date as a release date.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  19:51,10/28/2014 

If you think that Steam is invalid or that any of the articles he's trying to list are valid even though they themselves either list Steam or don't have a source. — A (tc) 20:03, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

You're assuming that I think that and you are dead wrong. But here is a better source Also TechnoBuffalo says that Europe's Steam version doesn't come out till September 17th but yea.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:12,10/28/2014 
So this happened for no reason, then? — A (tc) 20:16, October 28, 2014 (UTC)

Sounds like we're all set then? I commented on the talk page for good measure. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:46, October 29, 2014 (UTC)

(BoG Spoilers) Goku giving up against Beerus

Beclauss (talk) 02:19, October 29, 2014 (UTC) In your opinion, why do you think Goku said to Beerus "You win" Do you think he simply wanted to give Vegeta a chance? I highly doubt Goku would just quit like that, I mean he's been in MUCH tighter situations than trying to block an earth shaddering bomb.

I think Goku knew that Beerus wouldn't destroy the Earth, and appealing to Beerus' ego was the quickest way to end the fight, thus protecting the Earth. Letting the fight rage on could have damaged the Earth. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:11, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 00:12, October 30, 2014 (UTC) Ok, you should see the English Dub at some point, you'll like it. By the way, what are your thoughts on the next movie coming in 2015?

Beclauss (talk) 00:22, October 30, 2014 (UTC) Also, if Goku kept fighting against Beerus after absorbing the big bomb, how would the events go?

I'm exciting for any new DB material, including the movie. I think Goku could have stood a good chance against Beerus, and maybe even one, but at the possible cost of Beerus getting frustrated partway through and (since he's immature) destroying Earth. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:17, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 22:53, October 30, 2014 (UTC) One thing I would ESPECIALLY want to mention. Goku acting arrogant (like Vegeta, literally) against Beerus in his SSJ3 form. The Sub and the Dub basically say the same thing on the dialogue between SSJ3 Goku and Beerus. I mean since when do we hear Goku act cocky.

Goku acts cocky a lot. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:59, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 00:00, October 31, 2014 (UTC) Uhhh.... When?

He's cocky in pretty much every fight as a kid. He frequently fights at less than his peak to give others a chance, like only going SS against Pikkon or scenes where he only dodges punches and doesn't hit back. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:02, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 00:33, October 31, 2014 (UTC) Heh, so you don't really think he gave it his all against Beerus as a SSJ3?

I think he gave it a good shot, but not quite his all as SS3. He was initially cocky because he didn't sense normal ki from Beerus. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:16, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 03:41, November 1, 2014 (UTC) hehe, in your opinion, what if they found a way to sense a god's energy? Do you think they would be under complete agony and fear like the kai's (evidently they can sense their energy)

Good Morning 10X Kamehameha

User:DragonBallZGTGoku has not edited for more than 2 years how does he keep his user rights?

Also there is much confusion(maybe it is only personal) with The universal deities.

Deity Responsibility

Kai Quadrant of the Universe

Grand Kai Whole Universe

Supreme Kai Quadrant

Grand Supreme Kai Whole

How can the Supreme Kai be the god(superior) of (to) the Grand Kai

Ntoulinho (talk) 12:14, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

That user lost their admin rights about a year ago. You can read up on the Kai hierarchy on our article: Kai. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:09, October 31, 2014 (UTC)
While the lower Kais watch over the living world, the Supreme Kais watch over both the Other World and the living world.
ok I got it Supreme Kais are not superior to the Grand Kai they are superior to the Kais!
But I think the description for them should explain so.
The Kais have responsibility over a quadrant of the living world
and the Supreme Kais have responsibility over a quadrant of both the living and the Other World
The use of the same vocabulary entry(universe) for both creates this confusion!Ntoulinho (talk) 09:24, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed! Please improve our articles as you see fit : ) -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:29, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Local Multiplayer in Xenoverse

Hey 10X, this game will appear in Local Multiplayer in Dragon Ball: Xenoverse similar Budokai (series) in 2D look: Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 02:49, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Link doesn't work for me. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:17, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Tenkaichi 3 Remake HD

Excuse me 10X, when will be announced and launch the game Tenkaichi 3 Remake HD for Playstation 3, Playstation 4, Playstation Vita, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Nintendo Wii U and PC via Steam. User:Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 03:10, October 30, 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure, I have never heard it was even being considered. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:19, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

justin has a lot of userpages

I don't know if he is sockpuppeting or he just doesn't know how to login and creates another account every time. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 10:57, November 1, 2014 (UTC)

Weird, thanks. I blocked all but 1, disabled account creation for his IP, and left him a note. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:18, November 1, 2014 (UTC)


Since you're all awesome and stuff, plz write something here because while I'm good for finding and fixing small errors, I'm terrible at writing articles. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 21:01, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Super Saiyan God Koji is edit warring in Vegeta and Cell. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 21:20, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

You are too. You need to attempt to follow the policy and use the talk page before you just report someone. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:20, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Ice fire dragon slayer

Legendary/super saiyan z

Which is more powerful?Ice fire dragon slayer (talk) 02:08, November 3, 2014 (UTC)ice fire dragon slayer

Never heard of a Super Saiyan Z. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:06, November 4, 2014 (UTC)
Super Saiyan Z? Sounds cool... Though that could be my DBZ music talking. UltraKAKAROT (talk) 02:12, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

Stop infobox deleted!

The admin said that page doesn't need an infobox deleted, stop adding it again. User:Kamiya772/sig 16:21, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

He is still edit warring can you just go ahead and ban him because he won't stop. Also I don't know where he is getting the whole the admin said that page doesn't need an infobox deleted.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:49,11/6/2014 

Edit Warriors Sentai GO! Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 14:27, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Kamiya772, thinking you are correct never justifies edit warring. Use the article talk pages. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:15, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Naruto Shippuden: Clash of Ninja

Hey 10X, when I was searching the internet when I found this new game here:

NOTE: Naruto Shippuden: Clash of Ninja, known as Naruto Shippuden: Gekitou Ninja Taisen! in Japan, is the sixth installment of the American Clash of Ninja series. The first 25 screenshots were released Thursday, October 30 on what would seem to be the games oficial Facebook page. The game's platform is yet to be revealed, but speculation from the game's HD 1080p graphics and the series' history for launching on Nintendo consoles, the platform will most likety be Wii U. The game also appears to be an HD revamp of previous Clash of Ninja titles. Whether ot not the game will feature new characters or stages is still to be determined.

Will this game is really official look: Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 22:17, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Oh cool. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:16, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Your message in Goku20's talk

Kamiya772 was deleting his messages from your talk. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:33, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:47, November 7, 2014 (UTC)


User:Kamiya772 has another account called User:Kamiya77 so I think something needs to be done both accounts have made the same edits and Kamiya77 undone your edit to Kamiya772's talk page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:33,11/7/2014 

Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:17, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

No Edit Warring!

No Edit Warring! Good Infobox.

Wrong your edit warring no matter what account you are on. Oh also you broke another rule by abusing multiple accounts. You haven't left a message on the article's talk page and I know you are User:Kamiya772.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:45,11/7/2014 
No Rule! Bad 10X Kamehameha and Sandubadear and Goku20!
First off sign your posts and second off 10X is an admin and me and Sandubadear and 10X plus other users are trying to keep this wiki up and running and not go down the drain like some other wikis I am on.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:25,11/7/2014 
haha! Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 15:07, November 7, 2014 (UTC)


Now that this is finally over, I want to ask if these pages need an infobox or not:

Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 22:48, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Uh-oh! Moar socks strike back Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:01, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Apologize you. sorry!It does not anymore edit war!Do not block!Please forgive me!Will reflect… —This unsigned comment was made by Kamiya67 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

If you extend his block, don't extend too much. Sure you need to block his sock, but at least he didn't edit war using the sock. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 23:25, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Properly I will observe the rule. Edit war does not. The bad thing does not say. I will protect the promise. Do not get angry.—This unsigned comment was made by Kamiya67 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

See? He'll stop for sure this time. However, you're still blocked and need to wait the month so your block will expire. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:20, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

And yet another sock... Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 10:35, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

He's blocked forever on all accounts. He's continued to create and use sock puppets, as well as deleting your note to me about him doing so. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:21, November 9, 2014 (UTC)


Please deal with Nikon23.

I even started a section on Talk so he could say why he wants to change the order in Zenkai Battle Royale but he just changes back anyway.... Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:35, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you try leaving a note on his talk page? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:25, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
I did! D: Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:20, November 9, 2014 (UTC)
now a group picture can represent a character now. everytime i made a edit, it gets reverted. it's double standards. Nikon23 11/10/2014 4;35PM

Picking the "best" image is always subjective. Ideally, we'd have a high quality, full body image with no other characters. If we have to pick between full body or no other characters, it's going to have to be partially opinion-based. In this case, I think we're better off seeing what Broly looks like than showing a cut-up picture of him. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:49, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Because I do not bad thing

Because I do not bad thing. —This unsigned comment was made by Hiroaki56 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

well, you're evading your block, and this is a bad thing I guess? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 10:55, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

You edit warred, even after warnings, made sock puppets, even after warnings, and deleted others' notes to an admin, even after warnings. You're blocked with good cause. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:24, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Does not Warning. Kamiya77, Kamiya772, Hiroaki56, Kamiya67 Unblocked.

Does not Warning. Kamiya77, Kamiya772, Hiroaki56, Kamiya67 Unblocked. Please expiry time of 1 month. —This unsigned comment was made by Goku78 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

I planned to let this one slide but you gave out yourself... Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 23:43, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Ultimate Gohan not going SSJ1 or SJJ2 when necessary

Beclauss (talk) 00:12, November 12, 2014 (UTC) When Gohan was outclassed by Buutenks, why didn't he ever use his SSJ1 or 2 forms?

His Mystic form was 100% of his potential at the time he fought Buu, transforming wouldn't have helped. Clearly not training in GT changes this picture, and the transformations help him power up then. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:44, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Because you forgot to reply me in middle of all that confusion

Do these pages need infobox or not?

Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 00:37, November 12, 2014 (UTC)

Up to you, valiant editor! Do what you think is the best, and talk it out if someone disagrees later. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:42, November 12, 2014 (UTC)


Beclauss (talk) 01:28, November 13, 2014 (UTC) I was talking to someone on youtube, and he mentioned that the Characters and villains rip off others (Goku ripping off superman). Do you think DBZ rips off some stuff as well as too many plotholes? I personally think DBZ is a great seriees

DBZ does not rip off Superman. DBZ is based on Journey to the West, a classic Chinese folk tale based on real events. There are a few plotholes, but that's true of most shows. I love DBZ. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:14, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 23:02, November 15, 2014 (UTC) Bit off topic, I believe I've asked this before, but when Ultimate Gohan was outclassed, how come he never transformed into a super saiyan such as in the case of Buutanks or Beerus

Gohan's ultimate transformation unlocked all of his current potential power. Transforming into Super Saiyan would not have helped at that time, since he was already accessing all the power his body had. In GT, his lack of training clearly changes the situation, and using Super Saiyan becomes helpful to him again in using all of his available power. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:09, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

BOG Edit War

BigGrim and one other user is edit warring on the Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:39,11/13/2014 

Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:16, November 13, 2014 (UTC)
No problem.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:18,11/13/2014 
He is still edit warring even after I made the section on the talk page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:19,11/14/2014 

Got it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:22, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Edit war

We have an edit war going on, on Kabito Kai and the last user before my edit telling him to use the article talk page and another one of his edits he called me and User:Sandubadear buttheads.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  13:25,11/16/2014 

Thanks for the note. Don't forget to start a discussion on the article talk page when an edit war comes up. Anyone following the article will be notified that you posted to the article talk page when you do. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:07, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


Plz delete my blogs that are tagged for deletion and this comment chain, plz. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 15:27, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:55, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

DBZ 2015 News

Beclauss (talk) 00:43, November 18, 2014 (UTC) You think this is real? If so, what do you think?

Cool! Yah, seems plausible. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:56, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 00:27, November 19, 2014 (UTC) If they are reviving freiza, I have 3 questions. First off, HOW are they going to do that? I thought Shenron could only revive those dead within the previous year. Secondly, how will freiza actually be strong enough to combat Goku and the rest of the Z fighters at this point? 3rdly, what do you think Beerus' role is in this film?

It could be that Beerus is going to do the reviving, because maybe Gods can do more powerful revivals than Namekian dragons. Beerus might also make Frieza stronger, or maybe Frieza has been training the whole time. Maybe Frieza was granted powers in hell, or maybe he is more destructive than Beerus so Whis gives him the title of new God of Destruction so only Goku and Beerus combined can stop him. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:36, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 02:55, November 21, 2014 (UTC) No, its been specifically stated that Freiza's henchmen will revive him. In my opinion, Freiza might become a god of destruction or something. In this case, what do you think of what this film has offered so far?

Not sure, we'll have to wait and see : ) -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:00, November 22, 2014 (UTC)


Kwj1991 (talk) 17:21, November 20, 2014 (UTC) Thank you and it will be my honor


I miss what this wiki use to be dude... —This unsigned comment was made by Ultimate-perfection (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

I'm sorry to hear that. Anything I can do for you today? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:02, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

User using profanity that isn't aloud

Hey 10X a user used profanity on my talk page that isn't aloud. The user's name is User:0551E80Y here is a link to my talk page to prove it Please take care of him I have replied to him on his talk page. Just so you know his message is all over that edit war and everything about Kibito Kai having earrings on in BOG.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:04,11/21/2014 

He also claims I have broken 4 rules and the only two I know of and one of the two I haven't broken in awhile but Edit warring and which I haven't broken in awhile and then insulting as some call it which as far as I know I haven't broken unless you count calling someone a Noob or kid. I need your help 10X.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  09:03,11/21/2014 

He also said he that if he got banned he would just make another account and that he doesn't care about the rules. Also you know in the past I have edited warred and one time I even told you if you wanted to ban me I would gladly accept it. Plus he has removed my messages to from here once.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:14,11/21/2014 

Got it, thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:03, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Fusion not enough to defeat Beerus?

Beclauss (talk) 22:46, November 21, 2014 (UTC) I saw both in the extended English dub as well as this wikia saying that even a fusion of Goku and Vegeta would not be able to defeat Beerus. Do you think that's true at all?

Unclear. I think Goku stood a chance, but wouldn't go full power because their fight would tear the Earth apart, thus him surrendering. Assuming Vegito gets the God ki from Goku, and they were in a location where he could go full power in good conscience, then sure Vegito might be able to beat Beerus. Just my speculation though. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:08, November 22, 2014 (UTC)


Super vegetaf
Superd trunks

SSJ3Vegeto (talk) 15:28, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Looks like Ascended to me. I believe we're calling that "Super Saiyan Grade 2" now, to conform with official guidebook convention. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:02, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Popo edit war

There's an edit war over the Mr. Popo page. It's some guy trying to add some stuff from the abridged series to the page.Neffyarious (talk) 13:35, November 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:19, November 24, 2014 (UTC)


can you use profanity in a blog? i thought profanity wasn't allowed but it's in my blog from the user Sandubadear Nikon23 11/24/2014 8:09PM

The only three words that are consider profanity that is allowed is shit, damn, and ass no other profanity is allowed.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:22,11/25/2014 
We updated the rules a few months back to allow some profanity. Harassment is still not allowed. So for instance, you can say "Boy I had a shitty day today. Damn, school kicked my ass." You can find the details on the rules page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:24, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
ok...... don't really understand none of that. profanity is profanity and it was offensive to me. i'm sick of being harassed by this user. i feel like i'm being stalked. Nikon23 11/24/2014 8:09PM

You will gain nothing falsely accusing me, man. Even if for some reason 10X would block me, I already came back from a 3 month long block, so I don't fear blocks (wow i'm so awesome XD) Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:47, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Sandubadear,  you need to stop acting like you a admin. cause your clearly not!!!!!!! (your so Lame XD) 1:29AM Nikon23 11/25/2014

Can you send me a link to the blog? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:48, November 25, 2014 (UTC)
it's no point now 133AM: Nikon23 11/25/3014

I don't try to be an admin, man. I just try to make things the right way so the wiki won't get all screwed up. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 15:57, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


A user has removed the gallery, Reference and the categories from Dragon Ball: Xenoverse and I can't fix it for some odd reason can you or another admin fix it please.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:59,11/25/2014 

Sorry, but you need help removed a gallery of Dragon Ball: Xenoverse please. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 19:07, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Never mind 10X it has been fixed.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:37,11/26/2014 

Okay, thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:38, November 26, 2014 (UTC)
Your welcome.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:40,11/26/2014 


RoyalTee is messing up Dragon Ball: Xenoverse I asked him to stop after Rolling his chain edits. I only used my rollback powers when someone makes a chain of edits or vandalizes the page on the chain edits I don't want to go through and undo everyone of them.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  04:49,11/26/2014 

Looks like you're clearing it up on his talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:18, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
Yup got it cleared up.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:21,11/27/2014 


i need my blogs deleted. i don't know why i can't delete them myself. which is odd since i created them. Nikon23 12:36AM 11/26/2014

All of them? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:22, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
yes, all of them. Nikon23 11:03PM 12/9/2014


I would also like my "Early DB Power-Level list" deleted, please. Not the completed one just the one titled "Early DB" , thanks. SSJ3Vegeto (talk) 05:43, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll delete it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:22, November 27, 2014 (UTC)
Couldn't find that one. Did you mean: ? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:27, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Yep, that's the one. SSJ3Vegeto (talk) 01:29, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:52, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Keffy Palazzo

Heya, 10X. I'm very tempted to make a new account, so I wanted to let you know. Said name would either be ScarletSecret, or, assuming that's taken, something with Scarlet in it, :B soo, I'd be getting "remodded" on that one, assuming I go and disable this one, righto? M A G I C Keffy Palazzo 15:37, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

Of course. The simplest way to do this, and a way for you to keep your record of contributions as well, would be to change your change through wikia, rather than make a brand new account. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:22, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

The problem is mainly that I already had a name change a looong time ago, and am just making a new account because one can only change their name once, so I'll be disabling, thank you for answering though! -- M A G I C Keffy Palazzo 09:33, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Okay. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:56, November 28, 2014 (UTC)


Hey 10X I need your help on Dende's talk page here is the link  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:53,11/27/2014 

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:58, November 28, 2014 (UTC)


Hello~ --And then there will be none~ 12:16, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

I migrated your chat mod rights to the new account. By the way, has Kotsu been out lately? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:00, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you~! I've seen him on SDB a week or so ago, but otherwise not much. --And then there will be none~ 22:08, November 28, 2014 (UTC)


So I assume you blocked me from editing pages? or is my internet just being funny? SSJ3Vegeto (talk) 21:16, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

It won't let me edit Krillin. SSJ3Vegeto (talk) 21:40, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Must be your internet, or a site glitch. You're not blocked or anything. Sometimes wikia makes updates that cause weird things like that for 1-2 days at a time. Let me know if the problem persists. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:46, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Need more active admin

Because vandalism. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:40, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Yes we do. Also PempPempyMcPemp has had 2 other accounts PimpPimpyMcPimp and PimpPimpyMcPimp 2, I am coming to that conclusion because all three accounts have the same picture the difference between PimpPimpyMcPimp and PimpPimpyMcPimp 2 is the first one is color the second one is black and white. The difference between the PempPempyMcPemp and PimpPimpyMcPimp is one is upside down.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:03,11/29/2014 

Thanks, I'll bring up the issue of a new admin being needed with the other admins. Wikia has globally blocked those sock puppets. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:31, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

And you need to delete these redirects:

Thanks plz. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:38, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:58, November 29, 2014 (UTC)

And plz check King Piccolo's history. You'll have to move it back to King Piccolo because Goku20 accidentally renamed it wrong, and delete the redirect. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 10:51, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Sandubadear for saying I accidentally renamed it wrong which I did. I also tried to rename it King Piccolo but it said a page with that name already exists so it wouldn't let me but 10X please fix that.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  12:25,11/30/2014 

no pimppimpymcpimp and pimppimpymcpimp 2 wer my cusins. pemppempymcpemp was my bruther. aslo 10x befor u revirt dis that I numenate Sandub for admen becuz he is gud. thnx. PempPempyMcPemp 2 (talk) 18:12, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Now I can't even rename them back, damn. Hurry, 10x. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 18:21, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

u kant reneme them becuz i is smert haxxor. i haxx wiki. wiki broke. deel with et. PempPempyMcPemp 2 (talk) 18:23, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

XDDDDDDDDDDD you mad because kotsu? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 18:28, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

All set. Regular users can't delete articles, even redirects, which was probably the issue. Another admin would help with coverage... stay tuned. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:16, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

A user that is impersonating me with two socks

There is a user that made two accounts impersonating me and leaving messages to my talk page, you can't find both accounts there, I also think it was the same guy that impersonated you, yes a user impersonated you and now he's doing it to me, please block themRed Cyclone Fest (talk) 19:13, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:32, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Unspeakable bullying on this very website

I don't know you but I need help. I came to chat (on this website) shortly ago and the moment I entered, everyone gangjumped me. The Chat Star himself to protect the chat instigated it, and everybody except some Kirby and Cerebral joined in. It was like gangrape but by cops themselves. Here is an image of the Chat Star saying about me getting raped in prison and making fun of my spelling.

Screenshot 2014-12-04-02-24-43
It was absolutely horrible. I told him to stop but that only made it ten times worse. I was only there to ask about another user and yet I got something else entirely. Please help. Such injustice is pure evil. Cyclone Soldier (talk) 07:43, December 4, 2014 (UTC)
Please help this upstanding and respectable citizen. He seems to have lost his way.
The upstanding wikian

The words of a true victim.


Dark Seeker Kotsu   07:48, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Screenshot 2014-12-04-03-01-52

Now he is role-pLaying some sort of gang rape. I went back, there were more users so I thought he wouldn't notice me, but instead he rallied them to his cause. It's super-rape of some sort. Here is another image. He hates me for no reason. Please help. Cyclone Soldier (talk) 08:10, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Lots of rape in your claim, even though we mobbed you. Check a thesaurus, the two are not synonymous. However, points for wild storytelling.

Dark Seeker Kotsu   08:15, December 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Kotsu. This guy's been making sock puppets and pretending to be users. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:51, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Becomi burecraut

since i make lots of edits and also because burecrat has cat in it can u make me burecrat, i would be good at job.I LOVE BIG THE CAT!!!!!! 08:46, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

I'm concerned that in this message alone, your spelling and grammar are incorrect, and the end sort of trails off into nonsense. Sorry, but the answer is no. Try and work on editing articles productively as the first step in your journey to bureaucrat. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:13, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

I screwed up the formatting so plz halp

I have no idea how those tables work so plz halp here. You should move the "King Cold's soldiers" section to the left and maybe something more so it balances better. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 23:20, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Looks okay to me. My skin just shows lists, not tables. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:16, December 9, 2014 (UTC)


Hello 10X, how are you liking the new global navigation? I think the new global navigation is a very good idea for Wikia. Wikia just released it a few days ago, because they wanted to make Wikia look better. Link to update blog: Raging King CarnageTalkBlogContributionsGuestbook

Haven't even noticed it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:21, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

DBZ Revival of F Trailer 2

Beclauss (talk) 03:18, December 8, 2014 (UTC) Have you seen it yet? If so, what are your thoughts?

Nope. You? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:22, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Frieza Fifth Form

Hey 10X, Frieza resurrected in the film Dragon Ball Z: Revival of F, be the Frieza will transformation into a 5th Form similar to Cooler 5th Form? Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 23:17, December 08, 2014 (UTC)

Maybe. I think he'll probably get God ki or something. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:22, December 9, 2014 (UTC)


what's going on with the character roster on xenoverse. i am totally confused. everything's seperated. Battle of z characters didn't have the ability to transform, but the transformations were group with one character. Nikon23 12/9/2014 12:13PM

You should ask whoever made the formatting edits you're concerned about. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:38, December 10, 2014 (UTC)
it looks like the problem was resolved. Nikon23 12/9/2014 11:01PM

Halp because

Should we include Yamcha and Puar as users of SSJ3, and Master Roshi and Krillin as users of SSJ? Dragon Ball SD is a gag manga and shouldn't be taken too seriously, but Suppaman is also listed as an user of SSJ so I wanted to be sure. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 22:31, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

I was the one who added it, but im not sure myself. I wasnt going to put them in until I noticed that Suppaman was counted, and technically they do take the form, even if it is only for one panel.Neffyarious (talk) 01:36, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Haha, I know right? In times like these we should ask the Great Sage Old Ten Timer. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:40, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Which chapter was that? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:44, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know exactly. It's one of the ones that just came out.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:20, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

If we don't know exactly which one the image came from, how do we know it's not fan art? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:03, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

I know that it's official, but of course my word is not good enough on wiki. Would you like me to look for the exact source?--Neffyarious (talk) 13:47, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

I that would help. Otherwise people will just remove it from the article and be like, whoa Yamcha is not even a Saiyan. And our defense will be, well I remember seeing a picture like that once... take my word for it? Plus, this will help us determine whether or not we should even count it. For example it would be good to know if it's a dream sequence, or a one-panel joke, or the artist just having some fun with an alternate-costume style image after the actual story. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:48, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
Super Saiyan 3 in SD

There's this pic, but it was Neffy who uploaded it, so he's the one who knows where he got it. I searched on Google and couldn't find anything. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:40, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

how cn humans be super saiyans. this is a joke right. please tell me this is not being taken seriously. Nikon23 12/13/2014 10:41PM

Found the source for the image, it's Weekly Shonen Jump #02/ 2015. The bit where they are transformed is congratulating Saikyo Jump on it's third anniversary, hence Super Saiyan 3.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:24, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Seeing as it's just an advertisement/congratulations art with no ties to a story, I don't think this falls into any of our acceptable source categories. I'm in favor of removing those forms from the applicable character articles. Do you guys agree? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:46, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

I agree, but what about Suppaman? He transforms into a Super Saiyan in one of the Dr. Slump movies to save Arale and the others from a loose ferris wheel, but he is still to weak and gets crushed. (note that he's an alien, but another race entirely) Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 15:33, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

The Tree of Might characters

Neffy added "Filler characters" category because The Tree of Might was shown as a three-part episode for the edited DBZ. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:02, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Be that as it may, the movies were created for a movie, not to buy time for the manga while the anime was originally running. You could make an argument for calling them anime-only, but not filler. Calling them movie characters is best. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:02, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

I added them because Garlic Jr. has both movie character and filler character categories and I thought that this would be treated the same.--Neffyarious (talk) 09:20, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

Garlic Jr. is different. They created episodes featuring Garlic Jr. as a filler saga, and he was in a separate movie too. Tree of Might is just a movie. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:39, December 17, 2014 (UTC)
Okay, my mistake.Neffyarious (talk) 06:44, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Saiyans and Aging.

Beclauss (talk) 01:25, December 14, 2014 (UTC) Do you think Saiyans get weaker as they age? I do remember Vegeta stating at the end of Z: "We Saiyans retain our youth longer so we can fight". Yet in an interview with Toriyama. Battle of Gods (And maybe even the next mvoie) takes place where he said "everyone was at their strongest" though he did say Krillin and Bulma were older and weaker, and didn't include anyone else. What do you thinkhough? Do you think as Saiyans age, they get weaker?

Saiyans probably get weaker when they are very old, but I can't remember seeing an old Saiyan fight. Goku is certainly stronger as an adult than a kid, as we see from his lack of stamina in child form in GT. Certainly when Krillin and Bulma stop training, they get weaker, regardless of age. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:44, December 17, 2014 (UTC)


can you delete all three of my blogs Nikon23 12/13/2014 10:38PM

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:44, December 17, 2014 (UTC)
thanks Nikon23 12/17/2014 5:25PM

An edit war

Hey 10X User:EBsessed is edit warring on the page Dragon Ball Z: The World's Strongest just letting you know.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:32,12/17/2014 

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:21, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

Playable Characters/Avatars

Avatars have always been placed before playable Characters on video game pages until the Dragon Ball: Xenoverse article. And now someone is changing the order on all the game pages to match Xenoverse (Dragon Ball Heroes, Ultimate Mission, Ultimate Mission 2). Should it be the other way around? New articles have to modeled after older articles for consistency, not the other way around, right? ShulabyninjaJeangabinTalkContribDaburawrh 13:12, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

Not being a tattle, but it was PZ. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 13:17, December 18, 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "avatars". -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:23, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

By avatars, he means the custom characters. Normally, we placed the custom characters (Saiyan, Namekian, Majin, Frieza's race...) first, and then the normal playable characters (Goku, Gohan, Piccolo etc), but then PZ changed it so the playable characters first and then the custom characters. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:31, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Doesn't seem like a big deal either way. Normal characters first, then custom seems to make more sense. You need a baseline before you customize. Again, I don't see much difference either way. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:49, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Speculation and inconsistencies

Hi EBsessed, thanks for posting. You wrote an awful lot here, and in particular asked me to respond to many questions. I normally don't do this, but I think the simplest way to respond is by inserting my answers within your original text so that is it very clear which questions I am responding to. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

You removed my edit to the Timeline Placement section of the Tree of Might page because it dealt with inconsitencies, which you say belong in the Trivia section, despite it being specifically and directly relevant to the paragraph I added it to by contradicting exactly what that paragraph is trying to say about where the film should belong in the timeline.

Inconsistencies are not a purely timeline issue. Inconsistencies are their own beast, and are simply an event which cannot take place if we are to believe other facts. We have an article here devoted to inconsistencies, because they are a unique type of occurrence and deserve recognition. However, the simple existence of plot inconsistencies does impact the fact that certain media has been published and licensed as Dragon Ball media. For example, in the manga after the team uses the Dragon Balls the first time, the balls have returned to normal after only 8 months rather than a year. All this means is that Toriyama overlooked a detail. It does not give us the right to tell readers that the events took place 1 year later despite the manga saying otherwise. To be as honest as possible, we write it down as one of many plot errors, and move on which writing the article about the second quest to find the Dragon Balls.

In fact, if you look earlier in the page's edit history, I TRIED putting it in the Trivia section and some other user removed it, saying "daizenshuu 6 says this movie takes place during the same time of the Namek saga, before the battle with Frieza," so I figured, fine, I'll add it to its relevant paragraph in the Timeline Section.

I cannot speak for this unnamed editor that you had a conflict with, and his opinions do not reflect my own. I agree with your adding it to trivia. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)
As appears on that page's edit history, it was someone called Sandubadear. Looks like he appears on your talk page here just above this section. EBsessed (talk) 19:18, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
You'll need to speak to him directly to find out what his motivation was. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:10, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

The way you explained the removal of my edit, "Daizenshuu tells us the timeline placement" makes it sound as if only Daizenshuu information belongs in the Timeline section, and if that's the case, why is the speculative paragraph I added to even in that section in the first place? There is no official information on the film taking place during the wait for the androids, which absolutely makes that paragraph qualify as speculation. This all makes even less sense because you told me on the World's Strongest talk page that speculation is not allowed on this wiki because, in your words, it's "not very encyclopedic."

Our Manual of Style clearly states the plethora of sources that may be used as references, taking precedence over any speculation. As an official licensed guidebook, Daizenshuu may be used. Fan logic and speculation are indeed not encyclopedic at all, and I would prefer that we did not need them. Unfortunately, there are times when it is absolutely necessary. This is sometimes a gray area, and must be resolved through discussion on articles talk pages on a case to case basis. Obviously, plot inconsistencies make this process painful at times. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

For that matter, there are tons of examples of speculation all over various pages of the wiki that seem to have been allowed, yet mine concerning why Goku does not go Super Saiyan in the film was not allowed.

This type of comment is not helpful. I don't understand your point without examples. If there is speculation with no basis and it adds nothing, let's remove it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

The Dead Zone page does not cite a Daizenshuu as a source for its Timeline Placement section, so does that mean it has not been offically placed there and that's merely speculation?

I'm sorry that there is no source. Ideally everything would be sourced, but it is up to the user that adds the info to use a reference tag when he posts the data. I advise you to use the article history to find the original editor, and ask for his source. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

The World's Strongest page also includes a speculative paragraph in its Timeline Placement section in a similar vein to the Tree of Might page, and it even ends with a speculative, "It could alternatively happen during the time leading up to the Cell Games."

Use the article talk page to suggest a rewrite. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)
From what you're saying, it looks like speculation should not simply be removed outright, but discussed on an article's talk page first. If this is the case, why was my speculation removed from the World's Strongest page? You've said here that baseless speculation is not allowed, and yet my speculation about why Goku does not go Super Saiyan in the film despite it supposedly taking place during the wait for the androids was based upon what we know about Goku's personality and also upon a line directly from the film itself where he says "It's so cold, I can't focus my energy." Thus, my speculation was not baseless, so why was it removed? Below you mention that speculation based upon normal possibilities within the Dragon Ball universe are perfecty viable, which mine was. EBsessed (talk) 19:27, December 24, 2014 (UTC)
That issue is currently being discussed on the article talk page, so I won't repeat the specifics here. From a generic standpoint, edits that are not 100% perfect must always be reverted. They get discussed on the talk page, then added to the page when a consensus is reached. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:10, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

The Lord Slug page contains the same sort of speculative paragraph in its Timeline Placement section as well.

Use the article talk page to suggest a rewrite. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

The Cooler's Revenge Timeline Placement section too lacks any citing of a Daizenshuu for its information, which looks like speculation to me. The following lines are all also speculation on the same page: a) Gohan's tail - "it is possible for it to have grown back and to be removed again between when Frieza came to Earth and the arrival of the androids." b) "It may also be a variant of the energy-transferring abilities used by various heroes in the series." c) "However, it is entirely possible that news of these recent events never reached him, since Future Trunks, along with killing Frieza and King Cold, blew up their spaceship and killed all of King Cold's men."

This is a case where speculation is used because it is extremely helpful for readers, even though it is ultimately fan logic, not an official source. For instance, fans often wonder, why does Gohan have a tail? Inconsistency! Alternate universe! Etc. We put the speculation there to point out that there is no inconsistency, because normal possibilities in the Dragon Ball universe make the timeline placement possible. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

The Return of Cooler page has another speculative line in its own Timeline Placement section. The paragraph cites a Daizenshuu for it taking place during the wait for the Cell games, but speculates on its exact placement with the line, "The events of this movie are presumably set between the episodes "A New Guardian" and "The Games Begin" of Dragon Ball Z, during the wait for the start of the Cell Games."

This is not speculation. It is merely pointing out the specific episodes surrounding the period of time that the Daizenshuu cites. This is helpful for fans watching the anime, and wishing to watch the movies at the best chronologically placed time. Listing specific episodes helps. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

The Super Android 13 page contains the following line of speculation: "unless Gero created two computers: one for the Androids and one for Cell."

Another case where speculation reminds readers why no inconsistency exists. If they want to say the movie makes no sense because Gero's computer was destroyed, we're presumptively reminding them to cool their jets because most scientists have more than one computer. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

The page for Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan contains the speculative line, "It is possible that Chi-Chi made Goku power down due to their interview at the school they tried to get Gohan in and, seeing his father doing so, Gohan powered down too."

Same case as the rest, this tells readers why no inconsistency exists. Goku can freely power up to Super Saiyan and back to base form instantly. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

The Bojack Unbound page contains the speculative line, "It is possible that Future Trunks spent a year or so in his timeline helping to rebuild society and then returned to the present timeline, which would explain his hair being longer."

Same as the rest. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

The Bio-Broly page contains the following speculation: a) "It would likely take place between the episodes "Return to Other World" and "Gotenks is Born", due to Goten and Trunks not having mastered the Fusion Dance yet and Goku being in Other World (as shown at the end of the film)." b) "They, Krillin and Marron could have joined #18 in pursuing Mr. Satan to get the 20 million zeni he owed her before Super Buu came to the lookout (and before Goten and Trunks enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber)." c) "Android 18 could also have asked Mr. Satan for the money after the Kid Buu Saga, but Goku is seen dead on Grand Kai's planet at the end of the movie."

This is a case where we don't know exactly which episodes it takes place around, but this is our best guess. We are trying to help readers understand what time period the movie is set in, and without an official source we have to do our best. This is preferable to simply omitting the section altogether, leaving readers hopelessly without guidance in this regard. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

The Wrath of the Dragon page has the following speculative lines: a) "possibly during the six month wait Mr. Buu was kept hidden from the people of the planet in episode 287, "Celebrations with Majin Buu", or before or after episode 288, "He's Always Late"." b) It is possible that Dende, after becoming Guardian of Earth, restored the moon when it was clear that there would no longer be threats from evil Saiyans/Great Apes." c) Alternatively, this could be showing that the main timeline's Trunks now has a sword like in the alternate timeline, which he will go on to use in Dragon Ball GT."

The Battle of Gods page contains the speculative line, "Although for Bulma, it is likely that she is lying about her age to make it seem like she is younger."

And these are just the films' pages. I've been reading every single episode's page for the entire Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z animes as I've been rewatching them recently, and I know I've seen a ton of similar speculation in the Trivia sections of many of those pages. So tell me, should I be removing all of this sort of speculation as I find it when I'm reading the wiki, or is my own speculation on the World's Strongest page justified by the existence of all the other speculation all over so many other pages? Let's get some consistency here. Either speculation is allowed or it's not, so don't tell me my speculation isn't allowed while all this other speculation gets a pass.

I'm sorry for your frustration, but writing articles on a massive multimedia franchise is not as black and white as you would like. In most cases, speculation is useless and tends to be readers just presenting outlandish theories that they want to share with other fans. In rare cases, such as movie timelines with no official source, a low level of our own logic is necessary to provide guidance no fans, who would otherwise have no idea who was Super Saiyan, which villains have already been defeated, whether Namek or New Namek exists, etc. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

It seems nearly every edit I make anywhere on this wiki since I started trying to contribute a few days ago has been getting removed. I'm trying to supply additional information to help the wiki grow and become more informative and interesting, so the consistency I'm seeing in how often my own edits are being removed is getting extremely frustrating. That's why I went all-out on this inquiry, because I want answers and I'm sick of trying to help out only to get shot down for inconsistent, hypocritical reasons. Thank you. EBsessed (talk) 07:32, December 19, 2014 (UTC)

I hope my responses will help you see why some edits are kept, and others are not. Rather than posting a great deal of info to one editor, I encourage you to post relevant information on the article talk page. Doing that will allow the entire community to respond to you, and will water down strong opinions. By posting to me, you will only see what I have to say, and it was clear from your message that many other editors have undone your edits as well. The community at large is a far more intelligent entity than just me, so seek guidance from them too. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Continuing from where I left off in my last message, I am adding this new section (which I will edit and update with each find) to inform you of any and all other speculation I see while reading the wiki, since you have told me speculation is not allowed despite being having a very large presence all over the site.

From the episode page Upgrade to Super Saiyan: "Theoretically, it is possible that Bulma saw Vegeta while heading off screen to the battlefield where Goku was fighting Android 19."

Reunions: "Goku being attacked by Raditz with Heavy Finish, is a similar pain to how he felt when he had the heart virus, as well as Future Goku later on in the Androids saga."\

Piccolo's Plan: "Goku being attacked by Raditz with Heavy Finish, is a similar pain to how he felt when he had the heart virus, as well as Future Goku later on in the Androids saga"

Goku vs. Vegeta: "A possible explanation is that Vegeta was planning to use the Namekian Dragon Balls to make himself and Goku immortal in order to challenge Frieza."

Spirit Bomb Away!: "Piccolo might have told him during the three hour break during the Nappa fight, though."

The Prince Fights Back: "Although Vegeta hears from Dodoria the truth about his Saiyan home planet's destruction and becomes surprised, it is possible that he had an idea that this event took place prior as he had a conversation with Nappa and Raditz to that extent."

Ginyu Assault: "It is possible he suspected he would die and did not care."

Password is Porunga: "(it is possible that Vegeta miscalculated the time it would take)."

Fighting Power: One Million??: "A possible explanation is that Vegeta was not on the ship, but King Vegeta merely believed he was, and the shots of Vegeta on the ship were him on a ship traveling to conquer a planet or simply King Vegeta's imagination."

EBsessed (talk) 20:54, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the notes, but again please use the article talk pages. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

For the record and for debate's sake, I personally feel that speculation helps add a deeper layer to things, and I get a lot of enjoyment out of reading the various possible in-universe explanations for things that appear odd or inconsistent (as I'm sure many other readers do as well)

Yes! Sometimes speculation is all of these things. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

so although I understand your reasons for not wanting speculation (you want the wiki to be more encyclopedic), I feel that sound speculation and legitimately possible explanations make the wiki more entertaining to read and gives the Dragon Ball world an extra layer of reality in that it allows us as the audience the chance to think about things happening offscreen. As long as the speculation stays true to the Dragon Ball world's reality, to the characters, and to the progression of the story, I don't understand why it should be looked down upon. I hope you'll reconsider your position on disallowing speculation on the wiki, as it has the double benefit of making the wiki more interesting to read and making the Dragon Ball world deeper and more fleshed-out.

Yes! You reached the conclusion that I pointed out many times above on your own : ) There are some places where speculation, or more suitably fan logic, helps explain things that are not explicitly pointed out, but are almost certainly true. In my experience most posts containing speculation are none of these things, and simply hurt the site, although it is much harder to find examples of those because they are all removed! A great current example is the new animated film coming out. The promotional blogs often spread rumors and "Hollywood" hearsay about the events. That type of info absolutely does not belong in articles, since it may turn out to be 100% wrong when the movie is released. Another example (I'm just randomly scooping out of my contributions, I could give you hundreds of these) is a user commenting on voice acting in the video games. The article notes that in the English version of one game, all of Cell's forms use the same voice when he is damaged. The edit in question speculates that this is somehow related to the Japanese version of Cell's forms using the voice actor. While this is possible, it's probably wrong since the single Japanese voice actor used different voices for Cell's forms. Voice actors often voice multiple character who sound different. Besides that, the English version uses different voice actors anyway, so the whole notion is absurd. Another example is that a user claimed the Z Fighters ended forever when Goku leaves at the end of GT. However, I think that's probably wrong since Goku tells Vegeta to take care of Earth. Maybe the team is disbanded, or maybe Vegeta takes over as the new leader. Speculating either way is just our random guesses, and does not help to resolve any potential plotholes, so it should not be in an article. And while helpful fan logic does have rare times when it helps, like some of those cases you pointed out, 99 times of out 100 it is useless and doesn't make sense like the cases I've shown here. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Until then, I will continue pointing out all the myriad speculation as a counter to your claim that speculation apparently does not belong on this site despite its strong and widespread presence.

Now, back to our show.

Bold and Fearless: "King Kai might be not talking about the power of Kaio-ken but its side effect which could kill Goku before he gets the chance to kill Frieza or because he was just exaggerating."

The Heavens Tremble: "Time, however, could pass differently in the Dead Zone." EBsessed (talk) 18:14, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

See the top of this message for notes. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:50, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Dragon Ball: Xenoverse Split Screen Multiplayer (Local Co-op)

Hey 10X, I have the question when will play 2 Players in Cell Games Arena, Kami's Lookout, Mountain Road, Planet Namek and Plains when will announce. Alexribeiro.soares.7 (talk) 01:00, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

No idea, try asking in a blog or the article talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:53, December 21, 2014 (UTC)


OMG check out this xenoverse video of Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs Super 17. and also what's the name of this stage. this is a stage from GT.   Nikon23 03:55, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

Neat, thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:59, December 21, 2014 (UTC)


what are you talking about? how was i being sarcastic. now your trying to tell me how to talk? really? so now i'm being a distraction. wow. i find this real offensive. Nikon23 21:11, December 21, 2014 (UTC)

I'll respond on your talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:59, December 21, 2014 (UTC)


Hey 10X BigGrim has cursed and insulted me  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:23,12/22/2014 

Sorry to hear that. I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:14, December 22, 2014 (UTC)

New Project

10X, I want to start fixing the Brazilian Dragon Ball Wiki. It's messed up a lot, so I need thy guidance on where and how to start. I already asked one of those Wikia Helpers, to help. What now? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:01, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

I would suggest talking to the admins first to see if they have priorities, and to make sure your eventual efforts are aligned with theirs. If none of their admins respond, I can give you advice on what some generic priorities should be. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:12, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

I sent him a message, but I saw the last time he logged on was in January 2014. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 14:17, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

There's only one admin? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:29, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Two, actually; but the second one last logged in 2012. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 21:53, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

In that case, the first thing to do is get admin rights so you can fix up the main page and delete any spam articles. However, wikia staff may want to do some other editing on it first to prove you are a good candidate. In that case, I would focus on fixing up the most popular articles. Think main characters, sagas, movie pages, and franchise summary. Fix up the grammar and spelling, make sure the images make sense, add references, and use formatting techniques to make them look nice. You might also find the most frequent current editors, if any exist, and ask them what they have been working on. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:05, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

I am only clicking Random page, and whatever page came I fix the infobox and add a small summary of who is the character. Also, how do I ask to become an admin? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 15:49, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

I would start working on the most viewed pages, not just random ones. If you do a Google search, there is a wikia community page to adopt a wiki. There are some specific rules involved, such as the current admins not being active for a few months, you being very active, I believe you can't have been blocked elsewhere, and some others. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:28, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

Gee, I have like fifty blocks on this very wiki. Anyway, how do I see the most viewed pages? I sent a adoption form, let's wait and see. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 00:38, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

The closest to "most viewed page" that I know of and is viewable easily is actually more like "most edited" articles. Use this URL to check out our list: You should be able to use that on any other wiki, but with the 'dragonball' part changed to your local wiki's name. There's a page with more links for special stats articles like that too that you might find useful: -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:52, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

Are you Jewish?

Iam looking for Jewish homies but cannot find any. Peple are really secretive about their race here :( JewishSaiyan (talk) 17:02, December 27, 2014 (UTC)

You are not allowed to solicit personal information on this site. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:26, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

'New' to Wikia

Hello 10x Kamehameha, I am somewhat new to this wikia. I had an account quite a while back, but have decided to make a new one as I can't remember the username or password for the old one. I will try to aid this wiki to the best of my ability, but I had a question on how to make a custom signature like you have, so please get back to me on my talk page when you can, thank you! MiraiGohan1 (talk) 03:16, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

User name

Hey 10x, is there a way for me to change my username? I have no idea why I spelled Vegetto "Vegeto" when I made it, but it looks dumb. Is there any way to fix it? SSJ3Vegeto (talk) 01:30, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

You may want to rename your account, you can ask the wikia staff here. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:52, January 1, 2015 (UTC)
-Thanks you. SSJ3Vegeto (talk) 02:11, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Sandubadear. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:19, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

thanks very much

two things:

  • plz gibe rollback
  • this guy is the one creating pages for dates of birth of Raditz, Bardock and Gine but there's no source, so I tagged them for deletion again.

Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:29, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure about rollback at this point, since you were given a chat block less than a month ago that is still in effect. I left a message with the user making those Age pages. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:32, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

No, the chat ban was from over four months ago, but it was a infinite one, so I asked Brain Assassin to change it to 6 months only. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:35, January 4, 2015 (UTC)

I see, but I'd still like to give it some time. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:22, January 4, 2015 (UTC)


Have you heard of the Saiyan17? He's a big Dragon Ball fan. You should check him out on youtube: 

Cool, seems like an interesting guy. Lots of pent up rage but good points XD -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:38, January 10, 2015 (UTC)

How Do I Become an Administrator on Dragon Ball Wiki?

What all do I need to do before I can become an administrator? Thanks. Gage.sayre.1 (talk) 01:08, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

BigGrim is edit warring again

BigGrim is edit warring on Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods and Dragon Ball Z: Revival of "F" and he has refused to talk about it on the article's talk page for both of them.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:53,1/12/2015 


What are your thoughts on this? Should I create a new category/sub-heading, perhaps? Tapion13 Shakuran13' Talk' 08:25, January 13, 2015 (UTC)

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