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== Formal resignation! ==
So yeah, basically I'd like to formally step down from my admin position. As of right now, since tending to my son is my priority in life, I have not really been active anymore anyway, so it's probably for the best. I'd love to return to admin position in the future, but for now, it's just not something I have time for anymore. It's been great working with you and the rest of the team and I wish you all the best.
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Thank you

Hey 10X, thanks for taking care of the people messaging my talk page during my inactivity. I just thought it would be nice to tell you how much I appreciate it. Vegetto ssj4 gt de dairon11 by theothersmen-d3a4bd0SūpāSaiya-jinFourVegitoVegetto ssj4 by db own universe arts-d34zqe1 01:40, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure. Sorry for the ones I missed. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:13, July 23, 2015 (UTC)

Rise to Action

Hi, on the Rise to Action page, I added an image of a user when activiating the skill, is it good? Anyways, how do you get rid of that Images template on the top of the page? Since I added an image, I don't think it's needed. I'm new to this wiki so I don't know how to get rid of that template, I don't see it in Source Mode either, can you tell me? Thanks!

NerdAlert123 (talk) 22:23, July 25, 2015 (UTC)

Nice job adding an image. I'm not seeing any template, so either it was something newly automated by Wikia staff, or it was a glitch. It's also possible that we have different viewing setting if you can still see it now. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:15, July 25, 2015 (UTC)


Hello I am new to this wiki and all other wikais included. No I do not prefer to be a editor since I do suck at writing. I am also horrible at details. I am interested into reading non fiction and fiction books. Can one of you guy help me find some interesting reading material that I would liked to read? I also don't want to insulted anyone as well. Hopefully we all get along with each other. ~~Starkiller215

Welcome to the site. My favorite book is probably "Slaughterhouse-Five" by Kurt Vonnegut. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:07, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

New to all wikis and this one

I am new to everything here. I liked reading both nonfiction and fiction books. I do suck at writing however so expect horrible grammar, sentence structure, and everything else I do sucked at anything related to writing. Can any of you guys help in terms of how to make a proper edit? P.S I am horrible in terms of writing and typing a page. Starkiller215 (talk) 23:17, July 26, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

I also want to add I do not want to be a editor just a reader in this case as well. Starkiller215 (talk) 23:21, July 26, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215
Talk pages like this one are a good place to practice editing. Seems like you have the general knack to it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:10, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
Indeed I do have the general knack to it, but I am a complete amateur compared to you guys. Starkiller215 (talk) 14:43, August 2, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215
Everyone starts with very little knowledge, give or take. I'm sure you'll learn fast. Let me know if you have specific questions and I'll help you out. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:02, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Problem adding image to a page/article

I have a few images I want to add to the Ultimate Evolution article, but every time I try to add an image on the end of the page it just simply doesn't respond. Would you have to know why might that be? GAPIntoTheGame (talk) 00:01, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Not sure... did you get any error messages? Trouble saving or does it just save with no changes? I can tell from the page history that it hasn't saved any edits from you. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:13, July 29, 2015 (UTC)
It seems fine in other pages except for the Ultimate Evolution one. I don't get any messages, it simply doesn´t respond GAPIntoTheGame (talk) 12:41, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

That's very strange, and I'm sorry to report I haven't found any reason for this. The page is not protected in any way, and other users have been editing it without any problems. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:01, August 3, 2015 (UTC)


Can I add Goku's lifting feat of lifting several thousand tons under the effects of 10x gravity to his page?

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Micah007123 (talk) 00:06, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

Those images don't appear to show how heavy that object is. Am I missing something? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:13, July 29, 2015 (UTC)


Lol this page is really long. Anyway, do you guys still affiliate with other wikis ?
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Please make sure you put new text under old text, including new topics. I only noticed this message that you left at the top of the page because I happened to be archiving today. Also, please use a second signature page to your signature text. The entire code is being displayed in source mode, which adds a lot of space and clutter to the page. I can help you with this if you haven't done it before. As for affiliation, it depends what you mean. We list the other FUNimation wikis on our front page in a scroll box, plus the Wikia spotlight wikis that are automatically displayed at the bottom of the front page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:26, July 29, 2015 (UTC)

DBZ Plotholes/Inconsistencies

I found someone on youtube that lists a bit of them. Since they're a bit long, mind if I PM you them? Also, is there such thing as "gobally wrong" One of the "problems" he mentions is SUPER saiyan (says it rips off SUPERman, same with Goku escaping his home planet's destruction) Mind if I PM you the "problems" though? —This unsigned comment was made by Beclauss (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

I'm not on chat much, here would be better. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:54, July 30, 2015 (UTC)

You don't have to read ALL of this lol:

Apparently it takes 50 years to master Kamehameha. Goku did it on his first try because he's a Saiyan, but what excuse do Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Chaotsu have? Especially Yamcha.

- Goku survives being dissolved into sake in that enchanted bottle because of the Powerpole, but Ginkaku and Kinkaku don't dissolve at all once pulled in. - Goku used the Nimbus to make it through the ringout in he Budokai tournament, and he didn't get disquallified just for being the main character. - Goku makes a chopper out of his tail. This is cartoon material, right there. - The scene how general Blue outwrestles an electric eel does show off how strong he really is, but I can't seem to comprehend how the electric shocks the eel is emitting all the sudden stop hurting him.

- Blue's Henchman, after the spear tunnel: "Sorry boss, looks like we walked into a trap." How the PING is this guy still alive!? - Possibly the only gay guy in this show ends up being a bad guy, and is killed in a disgusting manner. - How exactly did Pai Pai endure Blue's technique? Was it because he was stronger? Come to think of it, people were mysteriously immune to certain techniqes in this show just for being stronger, so what's the point of the show? That strength IS everything? - Saiyans are supposed to turn stronger every time they're beaten up to near death. Goku got beaten up quite badly when fighting Tao Pai Pai, Picollo or Picollo jr., but he always got stronger by either training or some magic water. Why didn't this Saiyan heritage thing kick in back then?

- Before I forget to mention this, this whole "turns stronger every time he gets the snap beaten outta him" is most likely the cheapest bean-ass way of explaining how the main character gets stronger after every arc of the story. This kind of thing was supposed to be an epic part of the shonen hero persona with no real explanation needed, but now you're trying to make it look like a real thing, as part of this alien physiology? Not only is this ability only present when the story allows it to, it also doesn't seem to be doing it's job right because every next villain seems to be kicking Goku's ass with no sweat. And even if this was a real thing, wouldn't the real sollution to every bad guy be to simply have everyone almost-kill Goku, have Dende heal him then repeat the process until he's just about strong enough to beat the guy?

- Tao effortlessy brushes off the Kamehameha wave, but is then gruesomely wounded by a hand grenade? I thought we established that the Kamehameha was way stronger than any sort of firearms. Also, he tossed the grenade and then makes a jump for it, and Goku kicks the grenade above him, right into Tao's vicinity, suggesting Tao was in the air this whole time, but his apparently crisped body never returns to the ground? This kind of explosion that occurs in mid-air and does not spit out a burned body may suggest he was actually pulverized in the blast, but he clearly returns later as a cyborg. Even if he did survive the blast, why did his body not come back down at that point? - King Chappa can aparently move his hands so fast he appears to be having 8 arms. That's convenient, but all the DBZ characters seem to be moving a whole lot faster now, yet we never see a similar technique being displayed by the same effect.

- I may not be an expert in capsule technology, but wouldn't placing a dead body inside a coffin, then shrinking the coffin into a capsule also crush the mentioned body? I mean, Krillin's body was not wired into the capsule system at all, and we know for a fact that capsules don't just shrink stuff, so Krillin's corpse should be crushed beyond recognition by the time they pull it out to revive him. - If I may mention, these revival wishes rapidly change the revival process from reviving dead bodies to just removing halos from dead people in the Underworld. Even several characters that died with their bodies in more or less good shape returned to the world of living by literally crossing from the beyond, so aside from scriptwriters, what exactly decides when a character is gonna be returned back to life as a ghost or as a zombie? - Scumbag Kami had the means and the tools to revive the killed Shen Long all along, but only waited for Goku to arrive to show off on how it's done.

- Kami's observatory is supposed to be placed so high no plane or aircraft can reach it, but in Dragonball Z suddenly everyone can come and go as they please. - What exactly are Tien and Chaotzu? They're said to be human, but I can't think of a genetic condition that gives people a functioning third eye or makes them look like the ofspring to Mr. Mime. - Chaotzu does not age in any way during all the years. What the hell? - How the heck did Picollo sr. eject that last egg? There's was a friggin hole in his chest, where did the egg come from? - Roshi destroyed the Moon, which is 250000 miles away and measures over 1000 miles in diameter. Picollo's "ultimate attack" barely blows up a small city, so how exactly is Picollo much, much stronger than anyone else? - While we're on the subject, how the hell did everyone survive that city destroying demon wave Picollo did by hiding in a hole in the ground? Even if they avoided the blast itself, the heat and debris should've done some sort of damage. - If Goku learned how to fly in his fight against Picollo Jr., why does he keep using the Nimbus to get around? Because he seemed to be moving quite fast in the battle even though he was banged up, so speed should be of no issue. - How the heck did Chichi's dad manage to survive days in that fire without suffocating, getting the dress dirty or at least finding an exit? Because for someone who's supposed to be badass enough to endure all that, the guy's quite useless for the rest of the show. - With all the time spent on looking for the Magic Fan, which does not work, they may as well could have tried finding the Dragonballs to save Chichi's pops. - I'm a little confused at this point, not why Goku keeps using the Nimbus to get around, but HOW he is capable of doing that? Because last I checked, the cloud carries only pure-hearted people, and while Goku may not seem like a bad guy, by this time he had a son, which means he must have defiled some of his "innocence" when he and Chichi were busy making Gohan in Eine Kleine Bangbangmusik. The Nimbus also rejected good guys that were not entirely pure, so just being "the good guy" does not pass as a criteria for riding this thing! - Sure, put the Dragonball, the probably most wanted item in the world, on your kid's hat just in case some bad guys come around to look for them.

- The newly arrived alien life form conveniently speaks proper English and Japanese; - Raditz: "...until a giant comet collided with our planet and destroyed it. That was three years ago." This is either a script error or another remark on how stupid Raditz is. Goku was clearly born just a little bit before planet Vegeta exploded, so if that happened three years ago, how did all that PING in Dragonball happen so far within decades? - In DB, we believed Goku won all those battles because he had the spirit and guts, and now we find out he got stronger because he's some kind of superadvanced apeman from out of space? That's racist.

- That Saiyan background story with ther planet blowing up is a complete ripoff of Superman's; - Raditz is Goku's brother, yet instead of getting a proper role in the story, he's just present for 3 episodes tops, and the first tall-haired Saiyan frig takes his place in the character pool instead. - Why the heck is no one using the Powerpole anymore? I know it's unfair to fight with a weapon, but given the life and death situations, that thing would have been mighty useful. - Everyone knows Picollo can regenerate his bodyparts, yet for some reason he preffers fighting with one arm instead of regenerating his lost one when Raditz blows it up.

- Also, "the guy that can regenerate bodyparts happens to loose bodyparts" cliche. - The Scouters that were perfected over the decades and properly used on thousands of planets all the suden don't work on Earthlings even though both sides apparently use the same kind of martial arts. That is, IF flying and shooting pew-pew lasers can be called a martial art.

- Also, let's discuss the Scouters for a little more. I mean, what's the point in them? They quite obviously break at every slight surge of power level that no of the supersmart alien scientists can explain, even though their own guys can transform and as such should have had experience with changing power levels! Also, the Scouters break when on Earth power levels change in differences of a few hundreds to thousands, but Frieza's power level in his 2nd form is said to be over a million! How the heck did anyone measure this when a PINGing scouter can't handle a level of 9000 without breaking apart, let alone millions! - What kind of alien space-corps utilizes ki energy for their soldiers in the first place? This is all still the result of asian martial arts tought only on Earth, right? - There's absoluetely no trademark technique in this show since everyone does the same thing. For example, back in DB, this flight thing was was called the Crane's Walk and was Crane Hermit's trademark technique, so how the heck did everyone else in the universe learn it? And if they could learn it, why was the Earth the only place where only one old fart had it trademarked as his own? - Goku's death did not need to happen in the first place. Even if we're lead to believe Goku would willingly let Raditz's tail go after that lame exuse he got, once Goku corners Raditz a second time, he definitely had more than enough chances of grabbing the tail again. That way, Picollo kills Raditz, Goku lives and job done. - In DB we thought this was a different world named Dragonlands, but here we come to realize it's the same as planet Earth. I find this unlikely, since Earth is not populated by dinosaurs and human-animal hybrids. Also, there are magical villages, demonic ovens and demon lands recognized by the goverment all over the place, and the years during the plot are around the 700s, so let's make one thing clear: this is DEFINITELY not Earth! - Roshi, Yamcha, Tien, all these characters were pretty badass back in DB, so why aren't they any good in DBZ? Seriously, Roshi fought back an entire armada and blew up the friggin' Moon, how does he not quallify for the chosen ranks of fighters against these planet-busting aliens? How is this "great character development" when every single one of these schmucks ends up being nothing but dead weight to the real fighters?

- How can Picollo blow up the Moon when Gohan goes on a rampage if Roshi blew it up way back in the Budokai tournament? We know for sure Dragonballs weren't used, and if Kami somehow brought the Moon back, this raises a whole lot of questions as to how can a guy that can create a celestial body out of nothing be so damn useless in most other situations in this show. Worst part is, this idea of almighty yet only observant divne entity is a sadly accurate representation of most gods in modern religion. - Also, why does absolutely everyone in this show aim to destroy the Moon, a celestial object, instead of focusing on the real problem and aim for the PINGing tail!?

- Also, for a bodypart that's supposed to be strong and durable, and the source of a Saiyan's power, their tails seem to pop out of their bodies quite easily. Seriously, people just pull them out! - Another also, I'm pretty sure cutting a tail, let alone pulling it out, would cause a more serious set of injuries and traumas than just a hairy smudge over their butts. - The episode with the Strangest Robot and how Gohan cannot save him is an utter waste of our time, especially since Gohan's gonna learn the same "life's not fair" lesson in the next episode when his little dinosaur friend dies.

- Look, I get it how that episode with Gohan treating an Apatosaurus and then having it be devoured by a T-rex is touchy and all, but by the time Gohan woke up to look at the vestiges of that night, the Apatosaurus was reduced to nothing but bones! How the heck did a single T-rex manage to devour the entire sauropod's bodymass in one night? The Apatosaurus is at least 10 tmes more massive, and should be nourishing the predatorial T-rex for weeks to follow! I know that the sight half-eaten dinosau that used to be Gohan's friend would traumatize him even more, but geez, make some sense already!

- This special simulation contraption Kami has to train the Z Warriors proves that Kami knew Goku was an alien all along, and he did not bring up the big news to him once? I'm having a feeling this is not a case of Kami being a scumbag at this point, but that this whole Saiyan nonsense wasn't even in the script by the time Goku was facing off against Picollo. So it's either making a god look like a douche or not planning this far ahead, either way, it's a sin. - How the heck does training in the afterlife make you stronger when you no longer have a physical body? - He's running away from a giant snake now. What exactly are you afraid of? You're already dead! - How the PING does Kai's teeny-tiny planet have ten times Earth's gravity? Seriously, this PING makes no sense whatsoever. - The all knowing King Kai claims only 4 Saiyans survived, not including Brolly, his dad, Turles, and Tarble, and if you count surviving by somehow landing in the past, Bardock. - While we're on the subject of Saiyans, at first we could see a kind of resemblance in Goku and Raditz for having a tail and spikey hair, but once Bardock and Turles are shown to look almost as exact duplicates of Goku, we only have to question the fact that Raditz does not looks anything alike to his closest relatives.

- When the series started out, finding all 7 Dragonballs was a real adventure, but now all this finding seems to happen off-screen. Just because you can easily track every Dragonball with the Dragon Radar does not mean it would be easy for you to obtian them. For instance, they could end up in the middle of a volcano, at the bottom of the ocean, in the hands of a maffia boss, or some other place where we'd like to see an epic tale on how you struggled to get them! But for some reason, whenever they are the most needed, they are placed on the easiest to reach places, but only for those that are looking for them. These are all too convenient Dragonballs altogether!

- If finding Dragonballs was so easy for you, why isn't anyone using them to wish for something useful? I mean, throughout this entire show, the only useful thing they were used for was bringing some dead guys back to life and repeair damage made by the bad guys, and in the meantime no one ever meant to use them for a better good? Wish for, I dunno, cure for cancer, feed the children in Africa... kill that one popstar everyone hates? You have a bleepin' eternal dragon at your disposal, so bleepin' do something with it! The show's called Dragonball, for PING sake! - Roshi and all the other supposedly smart folks, in all their wisdom, don't think of killing the Saiyans by having Shen Long mess up their life support systems, change their course to another planet, flung them into the next sun or something like that. Sure, there wouldn't be an epic showdown that would make the show worth watching, but seeing how little logic there is to begin with, it's not all that worth of watching in the first place.

- If Goku had to hurry back from King Kai's planet to Earth upon being revived, why did everyone wait for the Saiyans to revive him? Technically, they just could have brought him back to life, let him train on King Kai's planet, then let him return when it's the most fitting for him. - In case Goku cannot stay on King Kai's planet because he's no longer dead, and King Kai can becase he's a god, what is the excuse of Bubbles and Gregory for being here? Also, this excuse is lame because we can totaly see Goku move around Kai's planet while he's alive later on in the story. - Since when do the dead need to eat? I mean, sure, it's tasty and makes them feel good, but how exactly does it nourish them when they obviously have no more need for material substances?

- Come to think of it, there appears to be plenty of dead souls in the afterlife that appear as puffs of smoke with some clothes and equipment, but when any of the named characters dies and goes to hell, the only thing different about them is an added halo. Why aren't there more people with halos roaming the afterlife or why didn't Goku or Cell or whoever else died have a ghastly form? - So Vegeta is a telepath now? Actually, an awful lot of characters can read minds and sent telepathic messages in this show, but they only use this only once, if any times, in the entire story! I mean, seriously, telepathy? That PING ain't small fries, that's some badass ability, you may think they'd use it more often! - When Vegeta blew up the planet of the bugs, he only pointed one finger at it and barely looked strained by doing so, but when he goes to fight Goku he all the suddenly needs to put his entire power to it? Even with Goku there to intercept the blast, it does look like he could've just launched a bunch of planet-busting lasers that Goku could never reach in time to counter.

- Let's just break the awful truth to you: the only reason why people like this show is because it ripped off DC Comics and made characters that can blow up friggin planets, and there's absolutely no sense in how they acheived this kind of power. By the end of Dragonball, the most powerful attack barely managed to destroy one city, and all the sudden these same guys can cope with folks that can blow up planets? No way in hell, even if we treated the destroyed city as a sphere rather than a flat portion of the land, and give it a good 10 km radius, do any of you have an idea how much BIGGER the PLANET is in comparison to a city? I did the match, it's over 2 BILLION times

larger than that! Even if Goku trained at King Kai's planet, which for some unexplained reason has 10 times Earth's gravity, after adjusting to the force after less than a year, his power would still be only ten times his original strength. 40 times, if you count all that Kaioken thing, which may be impressive for a person to acheive, but is still nowhere close to the power required to destroy planets or deflect attacks that can destroy them! That's total BS! - Nappa: "This planet has much lighter gravity than home, I feel as light as a feather." Nappa's home world blew up years ago, and in the meantime he has visited other planets before, so this remark of Nappa feeling nostalgic of planet Vegeta is entirely out of place as he hasn't been to Vegeta recently enough to care about its gravitational pull. Unless, of course, he's making this kind of statement to every new planet he visits, in which case his character is even worse designed than I initially thought.

- All the Z Warriors trained for the Saiyan arrival on the same spot, yet they arrive at a different time each. - For that matter, who thought to name this group "The Z Warriors" in the first place? I know it's convenient since that also happens to be the suffix of the show, but what the heck does the Z stand for? - Oh gee, Picollo is an alien too. Did any other character in this show get a redesign by Michael Bay? - If Picollo and Majin Boo are actually aliens thought to be demons, what does that make all the real demons Goku met on his travels, like Mela or Shula? - Nappa and Vegeta recognize Picollo is a Namekian, which means they know of the species, but never heard of the Dragonballs they're supposed to be famous for. - Actually, how do Nappa and Vegeta know Picollo is a Namekian, but Raditz that also had a close encounter with him did not see he was an alien lifeform?

- Another OP moment award goes to Picollo, for being able to defeat a Saibaman in one shot. Saibamen are said to be on the same level as Radits, and that guy pretty much beat the living PING outta Picollo, and since that battle, Picollo has spent half a year watching over Gohan, and the other half trying to teach him how to fight. In all that time, he barely trained himself at all, and this little training that he did was in no way extreme enough to make him do this kind of PING like it's nothing!

- Vegeta and Nappa both trained their tails to endure their only weakness, but Raditz didn't? I mean, even Goku covered this weakness at some point, and these guys apparently know a lot more about these tails than Goku, so why is Raditz the only one that did not think covering his only weakness would be a good idea? Does he really need to be THAT much of a weakling compared to these guys? Seriously, for a character that's supposed to be the brother of the main hero, even if he is a bad guy, Raditz is getting an awful low amount of respect.

- I know that technically Yamcha is the first one to go in this fight, but the actual reward for the lamest death in this fight goes to Tien. I mean, he gets his arm punched off, then gets the living scrap beaten up by Nappa, and after enduring all that he does a one-hand Tri-Beam, so he looks like a total badass right now. But after all that, you'd think he'll get killed in battle, but he actually dies because... he was tired? That entire "people use so much energy in a technique they die" cliche got old way back with the Mafuba in the original Dragonball, and Tien managed to survive even that kind of exhaustion, so how the heck does he die like a total bitch after all that macho punishment he took like a man? He definitely did not bleed to death, because his torn-off arm has barely been bleeding this whole time... which is quite odd for a torn-off limb, actually. Either way, it's a sin.

- Picollo's death scene is a tragedy in an entirely different way: By the time he ran up to Gohan's side and took the sacrificial pose to get Nappa's hit, the blast was still seconds away from reaching him, even if you count the slow motion. So he had plenty of time to either push Gohan out of harm's way or grab him and then get the hell out of there before the beam struck. Perhaps someone in the storyline department chose to go for emotional over logical, but since everyone in this show ends up revived anyway, that's a wild goose chase. - Did that cat just seriously give Goku only 2 Sensou beans upon his return to Earth? No one's been using any Sensou beans for the past year of training, and you're trying to tell me you only managed to grow 2 of those beans by now? There were way more than 2 fighters sent to intercept the Saiyans, didn't you think of giving Goku at least 1 bean for every friend that may be injured and/or need help? And there's a bag full of the stuff only days after Goku beats Vegeta, so Korin is just being a big troll in this scene!

- Vegeta kills Nappa. Okay, I get it how he's the bad guy and all, but Vegeta had absolutely no reason to do this. He wants to be the Prince of all Saiyans, so killing Nappa only leaves it to him and Goku, whom he also wants to kill. Like this, he's a prince of only him, and should he kill him he'd be a prince of... what exactly? - Vegeta explains the transformation into a giant ape is triggered by the special lightwaves emitted from the full moon, but this does not explain how a mere hallucination or an illusion of the Moon can trigger the same reaction. I mean, if you just put up a large piece of light in the sky, as far as the Saiyans are concerned, it still needs to emit these zeni waves in order to trigger the reaction, so unless these exact lightwaves are matched, there should be no reaction. So how can Gohan transform into the Giant Ape after only seeing an image of the Moon emitted by that landed satelyte? Does this mean you can just replicate these lightwaves with any piece of optical equipment that generates lightwaves? And if so, why bother with the "creating an artificial moon" thing?!

- No one bothered telling Goku he turns into a giant ape at full moon until he figures it out HERE? Of all things, that's the tiny bit of information he could have used! - Look, I get it how iconic and famous the Kamehameha got, but is there really any point in using this technique at this point in the show? I mean, when it first got invented, it was pretty much the only martial-arts-laser attack people knew about, and most of those had proper names and different properties in the original series, but in the Z series there's a scrapload of ki lasers blown all the time that seem to be just as effective, take little to no time to charge and are way more accurate. Simple ki blasts from the fingertips can blow up planets at this point, so don't try to convince me that this long-ass-named attack that takes forever to charge and eventually misses it's mark is in any way any better option than any other pew-pew laser in the series just because it's blue!

- By this time, I bet every single fan out there forgot that Kamehameha stands for "turtle destruction wave", and only recognize it as "that PINGing awesome blue superlaser attack". - The thing about energy given by sentient beings to create the Spirit Bomb seems to vary from one saga to another. Here, for example, humanity must willigly give their energy when Goku fought Vegeta, but for most time afterwards, he just forms it because he feels like it. - (Vegeta beating up Gohan as he turns to Oozaru) Wow, Vegeta's actually doing something right for a change. Seriously, this is the ONLY sequence when a character actually tries to beat up the guy that's transforming in order to prevent him from reaching a form that will doubtlessly kick his ass. So this is actually a good thing, but we'll count it as a sin only to cover up for all those times when characters did not do someting like this as the bad guy was transforming........ Okay, you know what, screw it, we'll still be counting those. And because one character did something out of place for the show, we'll have to count this perfectly fine scene as a sin as well.

- How the heck did Vegeta learn the Kienzan? - Bulma is apparently smart enough to fix the alien Scouter, but can't seem to handle a perfectly well preserved alien spaceship without blowing it up. - doctor: "We were unable to save your tail." Vegeta: "That is alright, it will grow back."

That much is true, but it will take several timeskips and a few decades, over to the dissappointing GT series until this happens. This alone would count as a sin,but what's also odd is that it takes an expert Saiyan warrior like Vegeta, who most likely knows a lot more about Saiyan anathomy, physiology and Oozaru transformation than Goku, all this time to regrow his tail, while Goku and Gohan regrew theirs in only seconds! Heck, Gohan grew his tail back twice in under a year, so why can't Vegeta do the same? He obviously loves having a tail, and has been in more than enough situations to need it to power up. - Before I forget to mention this, how come it takes Goku seconds to grow his tail when he's fighting Giran, but when he's more experienced in the GT series, it takes a scrapload of heavy training until they barely manage to pull his tail out of him?

- Also, there's no way you can create a tail by pulling on someone's spine! - When Krillin, Gohan and Bulma arrive at Fake Namek, it looks exactly the same as Namek from outer space and even has the same landscape when they land. This is waaaay before Raiti and Zaacro (from here on out refered to as Pinkheads) begun their illusion injection thing, and once they see through it, the planet quite obviously does not look the slightest bit the same as the green planet they saw before landing!

- Also, there's a whole lot of stuff I must question on how the Pinkheads managed to fake with their illusions, like the icebergs, the vehicle, the tornado, because it looks like the whole place was just one giant swamp to me. Pinkheads can only alter vision and sounds of the enviorment, but as proven by Gohan being grabbed by an ammonite, the outside touches still reach out to them, so how could they have simulated all those various terrains when there's really nothing but dirt around them? - Here's a good example: On all those trips for Dragonballs, did it ever occur to them that there weren't any more than 2 Namekians on the entire bleepin' planet? - How did Vegeta learn how to hide his power level? - Also, why are good guys using the term "power level" at this point? Is saying "hide your strength" or "hide your power" that much outdated now that we got introduced to this new power-measuring term the aliens brought to us? It's even clear that those numbers don't mean jacks**t, so what the hell, Z Warriors?

- Seriously? Even Namekian kids can fly but humans can't? Every single species in the universe, but humans, can apparently fly. This show's been nothing but discriminative towards humans this whole time. - Before I forget to mention, with all these folks flying, one may assume someone as strong as Roshi may have learned how to fly at some point. This never happens, though. Despite Roshi being half a millenia old and being aquinted with a guy that apparently invented this ability. - These "moving awfully fast while flying and rapidly punching each other" is pretty much what every single battle in the series is reduced to from this point onward. Seriously, is motion technique even relevant at this point? - The mighty Frieza does not think of bringing spare Scouters on a distant planet. - Why exactly does Frieza need the scouters to find Dragonballs in the first place? Can his superadvanced alien technology not provide him with something like a satelyte image of the planet?

- So if I got this right, every village on Namek is holding a Dragonball. There's seven Dragonballs, so there must be seven villages. And that's it? The entire population of a planet comes down to seven villages? By putting a maximum of 100 people per village, even including Guru and Nail, that only counts up to a bit over 700 people. The Earth was populated more than that in the stone age! My neighbourhood alone has more people than than an entire planet of peaceful people! - Everything looks the PINGing same on Namek. Seriously, how can a planet have the exact same climate all over it's surface to sustain the exact same landscape? - I'm pretty sure a planet with 3 suns is not life-sustainable. Best case scenario, the complex gravitational orbit around each star causes the planet to get flung into the out of space or into the nearest sun. - Why are there no other lifeforms on Namek, aside from the few marine life? I mean, Namekians only need water to survive, so where did all the livestock and wildlife go?

- I was told Namekians can survive on nothing but water, so how come Guru is so fat!? - Bulma's pops just conveniantely invents a spaceship that can travel a gajillion times faster than the previous superadvanced alien one. - Vegeta: "Shucks, Moby Dick!" How can Vegeta know who Moby Dick is? - Vegeta only assumes he's way stronger now after Zarbon beat him up properly and taunt him into transforming into a form that is not guaranteed to be weaker than him. Wouldn't it have been better if he first beat up Zarbon's first form and then let him decide to transform on his own free will before concluding he's screwed anyways? - Bulma shows Frieza's goons a crabnest: "See? What did I tell you, there's all the Dragonballs you can ever wish for."

Okay, I'm seriously starting to question how many stupid characters this show can afford. I mean, how the heck can these guys buy the bluff that those are all Dragonballs she's showing them? First of all, Frieza's goons were already looking for the Dragonballs, so they should at least remotely know what they look like, but these guys just assume some random large orbs fit the description. And even if they didn't know that much, they sure as hell would have noticed the tiny crab embryos moving inside when they flashed them with some light, this can't be the first time they've seen some wild animal's nest. And even if they are retarded enough to skip biology class, they must have been told there was only seven Dragonballs, so finding several dozen of them should immediately ring a bell! Seriously, these guys are either way to dumb to survive Frieza's impatience or Toriyama just got away with the cheapest script of tricking bad guys in order to make it sound like he can come up with a smart plan. - Another extraterrestrial lifeform speaks proper English, only this time with an Australian accent. - Burter: "Nobody is faster than me"

No, actually, if speed is proportional to the power level, your boss and Frieza are way faster than you. Heck, Guldo can stop time so that technically makes him the fastest by default.

- So first it's general Blue, and now Recoome? If Toriyama is trying to send any hidden messages with this show, it would be that all gay people are evil. - Some of Frieza's troops of supposedly alien origin look awfully similar to Earth's humans. Recoome included. - So Goku can read minds now? DaPING did he learn that from?! - Oh COME ON, what are the odds of Ginyu, the commander of the most feared battle corps in the galaxy, to fall for the one and the same "tossing a random lifeform into the crossing stream to make you possess it instead of my dad" trick? How the heck did he not take reprecautions when he was literally facing the one and the same PINGing situation before? I dunno, Fatally injure his frog self before possessing Bulma so that it bleeds out and cannot be used in the same manner again? Villains are stupid. - It's scenes like this Ginyu dance that people think anime are just cartoons. I don't blame them, though, this show's shown more similarities to a mediocre cartoon than a fair anime so far. - Krillin and Gohan see Bulma acrobatically pull off a very inhuman stunt and this does not alert them one bit? Not exactly that they'd think an alien general hijacked her body, but still, they can't tell something wrong is afoot? - SUPER Saiyan... another Superman ripoff.

- After all these Superman ripoffs, let me remind you that Superman in DB looks like this: Well, PING you too, Toriyama. - The cameo appearance of Dr. Slump characters in Dragonball and Dragonball characters in Dr. Slump do not follow the same storyline. They don't even occur in the same timeline. For exmple, in Dragonball, Blue is the only bad guy that arrives and the worst damage he does is remodelling a phone booth, before being scared the living heck out by Arale, but in dr. Slump, we have Blue, Murazaki and a whole lot of spit going on, Goku turning into an ape and Shen Long granting a whish to create a new tractor. Both series were made by the same guy, so how come they don't get along?

that's long break it up into parahraphs so its easier to read. 0551E80Y (talk) 18:00, July 31, 2015 (UTC)

99% of that is just ignorant blathering. This guy sounds like he wasn't paying attention to the show at all, and just blindly hates it without regard to reason or facts. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:51, August 2, 2015 (UTC)

Is there any exceptions to any of the rules?

I wonder if there was a few exceptions to the rules of this wikia. P.S I just want to ask about it since I do wonder if there was such cases and situations that the rules of all wikias even if they are not the same wikia does have such exceptions to the rules in general. Don't worry I not going to go against the rules knowing I would have a lot of trouble doing so. Also I don't really comment much nor edit much knowing it would be too troublesome if I kept posting comments. Starkiller215 (talk) 04:32, August 3, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

There are probably exceptions for everything, but you risk getting blocked if you break the rules. If you are ever unsure, the best thing to do is ask an admin. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:27, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Goku vs Superman Article you wrote?

Beclauss (talk) 15:06, August 3, 2015 (UTC) I heard you wrote some article somewhere on the forums regarding Goku vs Superman. Can you send me the link to that if you can?

Nope, I didn't as far as I remember. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:26, August 3, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 23:56, August 3, 2015 (UTC) Okay, what do you think of both death battles though?

We already discussed this at length. I archived the discussion recently. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:52, August 4, 2015 (UTC)
i didn't finish that disccusion lets continue it on my talk page if you want. 0551E80Y (talk) 19:20, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

No offense, but I'd rather not. We disagree, let's leave it at that. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:05, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

fair enough.0551E80Y (talk) 06:29, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Goku sensing kai's?

Beclauss (talk) 02:24, August 5, 2015 (UTC) Question, if the kai's can sense Beerus, then how come Goku is able to IT to the kai's if they have Godly Ki? In other words, how come Goku can sense the kai's but not Beerus and Whis even though all are considered Gods and therefore have Godly Ki?

To answer your question Goku can not sense everything to a certain range. Also Goku was more familiar with the Kais ki signature, but he is not familiar with Beerus and Whis Ki's signature. Also I suppose that he never sense another type(s) of gods before. Every single beings has a different ki signature and as a result you can not sense everyone's ki signature if you are not familiar with it. Starkiller215 (talk) 02:38, August 5, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

Of course once Goku is familiar with someone's ki signatures he can sense them. Also he never know about Beerus so I suppose that is another factor to take into as he never know about Beerus. Also I can be sure if someone can suppress one's own ki as well as Gohan and Krillin I believe did suppress their ki, but I can not remember exactly if they done that in the manga and anime. Starkiller215 (talk) 02:45, August 5, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

It's not clear that the Kais can use godly ki. King Kai can see and hear things all over the universe, which is different than energy sensing. Considering how weak King Kai is, I doubt he can use godly ki, even if he can sense it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:38, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

when goku first met surpreme kai at the world tournament he seemed oblivous to who he was and didn't seemed to notice his mystical presence something piccolo picked up on later disturbing him also when goku first traveled to king kai's planet he thought bubbles was king kai he didn't seemed to notice he was there.0551E80Y (talk) 17:11, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

re:Sandu, plz tell me your funniest joke

Q: How do you call a Mexican man with a rubber toe?

(oh, btw, see this) Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 07:47, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

nevermind, a VSTF already banned him. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:04, August 5, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:06, August 6, 2015 (UTC)


where is this from?Cloudtheavenger (talk) 08:27, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

it was in dbz when grand elder guru was reading krillin's mind about piccolo and kami's past when they split into kami and king piccolo. reason kami looks angry is he is frustrated at not being able to stop his evil half King piccolo from rampaging on the earth at that time without killing him which would be disasterous as they both share the same life if one being dies the other does as well as shown when nappa murdered piccolo kami vanished and the earth dragon balls turned to stone. 0551E80Y (talk) 08:46, August 6, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks 0551E80Y. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:35, August 8, 2015 (UTC)

Goku not capable of destroying planets?

Beclauss (talk) 16:24, August 6, 2015 (UTC) What do you think of this article?

The poster doesn't make much sense. He claims that people think Goku destroyed Namek, which I've never heard anyone say. Frieza says he's going to destroy the planet, blasts it, then says it's going to be destroyed. The poster himself is confused. Plus, Goku is more powerful than Frieza, so that alone gives us a pretty good sense that Goku could destroy planets if he wanted. In fact, King Kai specifically tells Goku that the spirit bomb would destroy the Earth if he ever missed with it. The poster also doesn't understand that a spirit bomb from the plant-life on Namek is weaker than a "universal" spirit bomb used against Buu. The guy doesn't get it at all. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:50, August 8, 2015 (UTC)


Beclauss (talk) 00:40, August 11, 2015 (UTC) (delete the question on my last edit) What do you think of DBS: EP 5, particularly the animation?

X10, do you think we should include the awful animations or leave them out? — A (tc)

It wasn't all movie quality, and there were a handful of strange frames with Goku's face, but overall the animation seemed normal for a modern anime. I guess the days of movie-quality episodes were too good to last. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:52, August 11, 2015 (UTC)

Yamcha slapping Beerus? (Ep 6 preview, lol)

Beclauss (talk) 17:36, August 12, 2015 (UTC) Please tell me you saw that lol. WHat do you think of that btw?

Idk, I mean clearly he won't damage him haha. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:22, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

About favorited things you liked to do and play

Hello guys I am back again. I do have history of playing video games. Yes this will talks about myself a bit. The games I have played are Gears of War(all of them except Gears of War Judgement)' Stars War Battlefront 2 (which it was in PS2 for those who are not familiar with consoles), Halo Combat Evolved, Halo 3 ODST, and other games I would not mention as well in. Of course I do have favorite movies like Indiana Jones and The temple of the Crystal Skull, Aliens vs Predator Requiem, Stars War movies, and Transformers. For anyone who does loved to watch movies. You can post in here. Starkiller215 (talk) 13:25, August 13, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

On the side note: anyone who wants to post anything they do like to watch and play is fine with me. Starkiller215 (talk) 13:25, August 13, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215
I like video games too. Halo is great in general, and the Smash Bros. series of course. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:04, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I found video games to be great. I never played Smash Bro series. I do watch livestream and Let's Play playthrough of Smash Bros series before. Starkiller215 (talk) 10:51, August 15, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215


Beclauss (talk) 16:53, August 13, 2015 (UTC) Hey, I want your thoughts on this, do you think SSGSS Vegeta actually died from Earth exploding? Also, what is your thoughts on Saiyans surviving in space?

Vegeta can't breath in space, so he would probably die from that even if the explosion didn't kill him. Maybe he could fly to another planet with oxygen (New Namek?) fast enough. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:53, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

Supreme Kai's Possessing Godly Ki?

Beclauss (talk) 14:04, August 14, 2015 (UTC) I read that one of the articles on here says that the Supreme Kai's have Godly Ki. If thats the case, then why can Goku IT to the sacred world of the kai's then? (Unless King Kai in BoG was referring to Gods of Destruction)

Not sure. Could be that Goku can still learn specific energy patterns of Kais by being around them, even if they have Godly ki. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:56, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

Goku teleported there following Gohan's ki, not Supreme Kai's. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 23:09, August 14, 2015 (UTC)

Makes sense. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:39, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Toriyama's Intentions while Creating DB?

Beclauss (talk) 23:39, August 14, 2015 (UTC) Exactly how come he created Dragon Ball? I read on this site that he created some series for "unconventional and contradictory reasons". Was the article (on here) referring to Dragon BOY or Dragon BALL? lol

EDIT: I'll elaborate a bit on what I mean. On this article: I found this:

"Toriyama notes that his goal for the series was to tell an "unconventional and contradictory" Was this referring to the Dragon BOY manga or the Dragon BALL Manga

I don't know, I guess you'd have to find the source and read whatever quote it is. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:45, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 03:05, August 15, 2015 (UTC) This was quoted right from one of our articles.

Beclauss (talk) 13:43, August 15, 2015 (UTC) Can you verify it though?

I don't understand what you're asking me. Do you think Toriyama was lying? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:41, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 23:10, August 16, 2015 (UTC) No, I'm just wondering why Toriyama created Dragon Ball to begin with.

Then his quote is the answer. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:08, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Login Problems with DB Encyclopedia


Sample Error

Hey mate; just wondering if you've encountered this same error before and if you can help. I can't login to the DB encyclopedia for more than a day now. I'm not sure why but I tried to see if the cookies setting was adjusted and it is. Is this a technical issue with the site itself or is it due to the browser in general? I tried using over three different browsers, including but not limited to firefox, chrome, and internet explorer, but it made no difference as I could still not login. All the settings are set to accept cookies obviously but I am unable to login and I tried going to many numerous different locations and ip to attempt logging in but failed to do so, still receiving the same error message. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 00:43, August 15, 2015 (UTC)

I just logged out and tried to log back in, and got the same error you did. I verified that my browser is accepting cookies, so this is an error with the site not you. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:49, August 15, 2015 (UTC)


Could you pls fix the Chat welcome message when Staff restore editing of most MediaWiki pages? First of all it links to Dragon Ball Wiki:Rules#Chat Rules, when there is no such section; it's currently Dragon Ball Wiki:Rules#Chat, Blog, and Forum rules. And "Please" shouldn't be capitalized or the comma before it should be a period. I know this sounds nit-picky, but when the Wiki is #20 on Wikia's list of the top 5,000 Wikias, it's always nice to have things look as good as possible. Unstoppable DB Wiki (talk) 19:04, August 16, 2015 (UTC)

Done, thanks for being vigilant. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:43, August 16, 2015 (UTC)


Some people are think I am pretending to be you, but I am not ok? 100x Big Bang Kamehameha (talk) 19:58, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

It's probably because you picked a very similar username and were using a very similar signature. Doesn't bother me much as long as you don't tell people you're an admin or something. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:21, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
Clearly, 100x Big Bang Kamehameha is superior to you because 10x<100x. I think you need to give him admin status because he's obviously worthy. jk tenny i luv u so much
-- Vegeta88TalkContribs

I'm a fusion between the admin and the Big Bang.100x Big Bang Kamehameha (talk) 18:16, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Haha, quite a creative origin story. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:53, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Golden Frieza vs Beerus

Beclauss (talk) 21:43, August 18, 2015 (UTC) Who do you think would win? Also, what do you think of Toriyama saying "Frieza is no match for Beerus no matter what he does"?

Beerus would win for sure. He's still seems a lot stronger than Goku or Vegeta, and they are both stronger than Frieza. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:22, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

If Frieza were to actually take things seriously and train properly then maybe! :D Ripto (talk) 01:28, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

King Cold told Frieza not to fight Beerus for a reason. Meshack (talk) 02:11, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

I know lol, more teasing than anything. Pretty interesting how KC even knows him :p Ripto (talk) 02:20, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah that needs to be expanded upon Meshack (talk) 02:26, August 21, 2015 (UTC)
Frieza training for a few months made him increase in power more than Goku in the years since the Namek saga. If Frieza trained for a year, who knows how strong he would get. He also trained by himself. If he trained under Beerus, I think there's a very high likelihood Frieza would surpass Beerus in a year or so. Obviously I'm speculating a bit there. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:40, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, after all Frieza is a prodigy. Only makes sense if he were to actually put his arrogance aside and take things more seriously. Heck, all he needs to do is blow up earth from outer space and he'd be the winner then and there. Frieza does need a little more credit. Not sure why people put him down a lot when he loses. Ripto (talk) 22:21, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

He's a spoiled, entitled, arrogant, overconfident, lazy, murderous, racist, slave-owning, genocidal maniac. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:41, August 22, 2015 (UTC)


What happen. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 18:14, August 20, 2015 (UTC)

Looks like our newest admin comrade took care of your situation. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:16, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Category: Frost Demons

How come the category's name is Frost Demons? That would cause confusion among the fans. Meshack (talk) 02:29, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

I made a comment below yours on the talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:44, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

DBZ: Resurrection F

Beclauss (talk) 02:37, August 21, 2015 (UTC) Have you seen it? If so, what do you think of it? (English Dub)

I saw it, seems okay, but not as good as the older movies. In particular, the ring blast that basically murdered Goku was stupid. Goku's surpassed Super Saiyan 3 and some random gadget blasts him and him harder than Golden Frieza? It doesn't make any sense. The Z Fighters were immune to blasters like that back when they fought Frieza the first time, why can it damage Goku so badly now? Technology like that would make training and ki control useless. This was a huge mistake by the film's writers. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:48, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 22:17, August 21, 2015 (UTC) Well they specifically stated that Goku was off gaurd and Whis DID say that could happen no matter how strong you are.

This wasn't a divine entity using ki suppression and a super-concentrated martial arts move, this was some goon blasting Goku with a gadget. I don't believe it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:37, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 02:49, August 22, 2015 (UTC) Well thats what happens when you let your guard down. I mean didn't FPSSJ Goku get hurt by getting hit in the head with a rock? lol

When? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 15:06, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 18:38, August 22, 2015 (UTC) Episode: No worries here.

Good point! I watched the clip and you're right, Goku seems fairly hurt by that weak rock. Looks like Goku's very weak when he's off his guard and fails to direct his ki for physical defense. Still, we're looking at Goku asleep with friends vs. surrounded by enemies in Resurrection F. I don't think his guard would have been 100% down in the film. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:53, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 00:11, August 23, 2015 (UTC) Well according to the movie, he was 100% off guard, which is (EDIT: NOT) very smart (accidentally said "very smart" lol). Heck, even Frieza said "u got fatally wounded by a common ray gun... How sad" I doubt DBS will do this though. Other than that, what did you think of the movie? I certainly enjoyed it. More than BoG since it has more action.

I liked the premise, the new forms, and I agree the fights were cool. It's a shame that the good guys essentially lost again, with Goku and Vegeta defeated and the Earth destroyed, because essentially this just means Beerus and Whis decide who wins no matter what. Hopefully it will lead to Goku and Vegeta surpassing and maybe even saving Beerus in the future. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:54, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 22:08, August 23, 2015 (UTC) I think Toriyama doesn't want this to be a typical "Good guy wins" scenario. I think Toriyama wants to make this unpredictable so its not anything stale. And yeah, I feel the blue hair SSG form should've been the original SSG to begin with.

Time frame of Super

I've been going back and checking sources: Is Dragon Ball Super actually six months after Goku fought Buu? In the episode it says that some time has passed since then Meshack (talk) 21:14, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Where did you see 6 months? Sounds like "some time" and 6 months are compatible. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:34, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

In the first episode, it says that Goku six months after Kid Buu's defeat wished to erase Buu from the Earthlings memories. Then it says sometime after that Meshack (talk) 23:41, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Sounds like 6 months is our best guess : / If I recall correctly Bulma's birthday is the wrong year so that doesn't help us. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:39, August 22, 2015 (UTC)


Hey. When you have time, can I ask about the flags feature and how you're suppose to use them? Ripto (talk) 22:19, August 21, 2015 (UTC)

Anemicne is more of an expert on flags than I am. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:38, August 22, 2015 (UTC)
Ahh thanks, I'll ask him then. Thanks for the redirect! Ripto (talk) 17:49, August 22, 2015 (UTC)

Being blocked continuously

For a time, there have been moments where I get blocked on this wiki. When I tried to tell you about this last night, it said you were the one who blocked me for "constant vandalism". I'm not trying to be hostile, but what is it that I'm doing that's wrong?--Observer Supreme 18:34, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

I checked your logs, and you have never been blocked. There must have been some sort of system glitch. I can tell you for sure that if you can edit this page, you are not blocked. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:55, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Does Goku really fight for the universe or just himself?

Beclauss (talk) 18:23, August 24, 2015 (UTC) I heard Toriyama said in an interview he disliked how Goku was portrayed in the English Dub of DBZ. If Goku fights simply because he wants to test his limits, then does that mean he doesn't really prioritize his friends or the universe?

It's both, he loves to fight and test himself, and he wants to protect his friends too. Obviously something like sparing Vegeta was a little selfish of Goku, but he also hates killing. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:22, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 00:32, August 25, 2015 (UTC) Okay, because I've heard Toriyama didn't like how Goku was portrayed in the english dub and Goku isn't as heroic like the dub makes him out to be

in my view its the opponents he fights that make him heroic nearly all of them he fights wants to either rule the world/universe or destroy it and he is usualy the last line of defense to stop them from reaching that like frieza even though he fights them to test himself he is also stopping them from reaching their goal of destroying or ruling everything with terror that he loves and cares about thats why goku is heroic.0551E80Y (talk) 08:24, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Ultimate Gohan vs SSJ3 Goku and Can Ultimate Gohan go SSJ (and SSJ2)

Beclauss (talk) 17:12, August 25, 2015 (UTC) What are your thoughts on Ultimate Gohan vs SSJ3 Goku and do you think Ultimate Gohan can go SSJ1+SSJ2?

Ultimate Gohan is stated to be the strongest during the Kid Buu conflict. However, SS3 Goku is shown to be MUCH more powerful afterward during the battle against Hirudegarn. Ultimate Gohan is seen transforming into a Super Saiyan in GT and Resurrection F. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:55, August 25, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 00:41, August 26, 2015 (UTC) So if he could transform THEN, then why didn't he transform when he was outclassed by Buutanks?

Beclauss (talk) 03:06, August 26, 2015 (UTC) Plus, strongest UNFUSED character right? I mean I'm pretty sure Vegito (and Super Vegito) FAR surpassed Ultimate Gohan.

Correct, Vegito was stated to be the strongest, Ultimate Gohan was the strongest unfused. Gohan had his potential unlocked and instantly had access to his maximum possible power during the Kid Buu fight. However, he later neglected his training by the time Resurrection F and GT come around, and apparently the powerup waned over time because Gohan did not work to sustain that level of power (some speculation on my part, this isn't fully explained). Super Saiyan increases your power by a fixed factor, so this helps Gohan get his power back up to approach his maximum potential. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:02, August 27, 2015 (UTC)


Hey, I was just wondering how someone can become an admin, rollback, or chat moderator around here. Is there some sort of application? I'm not that much of a hard worker on here because I'm busy working on another wiki, but later on when that wiki's all good I can focus on here, like adding images to galleries or doing transcripts. NerdAlert123 (talk) 20:53, August 26, 2015 (UTC)

Rollback is given to anyone that is doing a good job editing for a while, just ask me for it. Chat mods are selected by our social admin Kotsu. Admins are only added when there is a need for additional admin support, and are selected through recommendations from the community as well as a thorough assessment and discussion by all current admins leading to a yes/no consensus for each candidate. For admins, we look for users who actively participate in policy discussions, follow the rules and encourage others to follow them, and a minimum of 1,000 edits (although more is preferred). Obviously they should also be Dragon Ball experts familiar with a lot of the media. Technical experts are great to have around, as are users who spend a lot of time in certain areas that other admins support less, like how Kotsu manages chat and PZ updates the daily front page sections. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:36, August 27, 2015 (UTC)

Goku FTL DB and DBZ

23:30, August 31, 2015 (UTC) I've saw some people claim Goku dodging a Solar Flare in Dragon Ball contradicts Goku's travel to snake way. Many assume Goku is FTL in DB. Is DBZ inconsistent with this since it took Goku some time to get to King Kai's planet via snake way?

The truth is that we (the fan community) keep track of the numbers better than Toriyama did. He cared about writing his story in an entertaining way.
Yet another explanation is that Goku doesn't dodge the solar flare after it is fired, he can just tell what move Tien is getting ready for and runs to put on the sunglasses first. Further proof is that Piccolo is surprised when Raditz can travel faster than light, implying than neither Piccolo nor Goku can travel that fast yet.
However, let's say for the sake of argument that Goku can travel faster than light. The trivia explains that Snake Way is probably 1 million kilometers long, and thus Goku's average speed was around 145 miles per hour. Why is this slow compared to Goku's max sprint speed of FTL? To answer that, consider how quickly you can sprint for 5 seconds. Now, compare that to your average speed if you had to travel by foot for 177 days. Probably not as fast as your sprint, eh? In Goku's case, we can compare the energy output for dodging a Solar Flare (let's say by moving 10 meters at the speed of light to run to Roshi and back) vs. traveling Snake way at the speed of light. Assuming constant speed of light travel and that Goku weighs about the same in both cases, traveling Snake Way at the speed of light would require 100 million times as much energy as moving 10 meters at the same speed. It's one thing to sprint for a moment, but another to sprint for 100 million times as long. Physically seeing things also doesn't work very well when traveling FTL but surrounded by stationary objects, meaning Goku would have needed to travel Snake Way without his vision if he chose FTL. If we want to get really technical, any character traveling FTL is causing all sort of nuclear detonations just by moving through air, but again this was a story for entertainment, not a science class. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:58, September 1, 2015 (UTC)


Bullza is still edit warring and he used the talk page but undone your edit first and he won't leave the page alone like he is suppose to and this isn't his first time edit warring if you look at his block log he has been blocked three times before for edit warring. If you look at his edits all of them you will see he has edit warred before his first block so can you take care of him so no one has to deal with him edit warring every time some disputes his edits.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:50,9/1/2015 

I just said I'd stop. Last time I got banned for edit warring because you kept removing a legitimate source like Famitsu just because you'd never heard of it. —This unsigned comment was made by Bullza (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

No the last time you got blocked was for a day and the block came from Prince Zarbon go look at your block log.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:00,9/1/2015 

I'm not referring to whatever that was, I'm talking about when I took out the made up Vgchartz sales figures and replaced them with official sales from a proper source like Famitsu a famous video game magazine and you just removed it over and over just because YOU hadn't heard of the magazine. Then when I would put it back you ran off to "tell on me" and I got banned for it. So I was the one giving a proper source and giving the references for it. You were the only needlessly removing it out of ignorance but I was the one who ended up getting banned. —This unsigned comment was made by Bullza (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

It doesn't mtter you edited warred and wouldn't use the talk page so I reported you then and the admin seen you wasn't going to stop so he blocked you just like when he lowered the block because you was crying about it (which I didn't report you for anything then excpet having sockpuppets) and when you was blocked for a day which was and as of right not is your last block so let's let 10x choose what happens since he was the one you originally edited warred with and he is the one who warned you and you didn't listen.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:21,9/1/2015 

(At the very bottom of his talk page is his last message to me.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:29,9/1/2015 ) had been removed till I Goku20 readded it thier was a link but it didn't work.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:39,9/1/2015 
No it does matter. If I put in information and then gave a reference to the source that confirmed that Information and it was from a credible source then there was ZERO need for you to remove it and therefore no reason for me to put it back which led to the edit war. Of course being what you're like you were very quick to run to an admin to whine about it so I got banned because the admin didn't bother to see how it started. So you did very well out of that to remove a credible source that had been given repeatedly and then got off scott free. I realise that it's a matter of playing favourites on here. —This unsigned comment was made by Bullza (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Well now he is also removing messages 10x.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:38,9/1/2015 

I removed no message, probably just overwrote what you typed while I was typing my own but anything to get that oush needed for me to be banned I guess. No response to what I actually said either. Tell me why did you remove the source I gave from Famitsu that gave the official sales? Or did you not look at the source and just removed it because I was new? Ah I see I'm not the only one you've pulled this stunt on as theres a summary here of "Goku20 harassing and intimidating users who disagree with him" Now I see what's going on. What you disagree with people and remove information and then when they put it back you tell the admin real quick to try and get them banned? —This unsigned comment was made by Bullza (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
Bullza has been blocked for edit warring, his 4th block for doing so. I made it very simple for him: use the talk page, do not edit the article until a consensus is reached. He changed it 4 more times within 24 hours. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:13, September 1, 2015 (UTC)

I have a feeling

I have a feeling that User:Snake6824 is the same person as User:Snake0145 the reason I have this feeling is their edits are way to much alike.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:50,9/1/2015 

Thanks, I blocked the older account and prevented account creation. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:15, September 1, 2015 (UTC)


Zax90 used the f word on 100XBigBangKamehameha's talk page. Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:00,9/3/2015 

He ALSO had the gall to not put a trigger warning before his post, and I thus saw "YouTube," so now I am very offended, make his block twice as long thanks. Sand bearprayview creations 22:17, September 3, 2015 (UTC)

Zax90 is now edit warring and saying that I am edit warring when I am not but he is and me and meshack need your help with the problem.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:39,9/3/2015 

"when I am not"
It takes two to start a fight. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 22:42, September 3, 2015 (UTC)
Valid and fair Information was given which in this readers opinion improved the section being edited. This was then needlessly removed by Goku20 without explanation or an agreement having been reached. After being told several times not to edit war he continued to do so anyway.
I don't have to have a reason for undoing anyone's edit and the seperation is not need or fair info or vaild for any reason.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:47,9/3/2015 
Yes you do need a reason. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 22:49, September 3, 2015 (UTC)
Besides not agreeing with it I don't need a reason and I don't have to give my reason which I did give to both Zax90 and 100xBigBangKamehameha.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:52,9/3/2015 
Valid edits can not be removed just because you felt like it. A worthwhile reason must be given before an edit is to be undone. You do not decide for other people what is valid and what isn't. I believe it is.
Zax90 obviously doesn't know the ways of the wiki. Can you please do something? Meshack (talk) 23:14, September 3, 2015 (UTC)
Looks like you guys and Anemicne took care of things. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:21, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Goku20 edit warring.

Hello, a user named Goku20 removed what I believe to be valid information, he did so with an explanation given or seeking to reach an agreement. I put this information back as I found it to be subject to vandalism.

He removed it again. On numerous articles I have asked him politely to not edit war multiple times but he continues to do so anyway.

As an admin could you please deal with this person.

Thank you.

You know what I gave you a damn reason which I didn't have to do and seeing as how I removed it because 100XBigBangKamehameha added the info nd I disagreed with him on you or him should have used the article talk page instead of putting it back because that is called the start of an edit war which you two seem not to freaking understand I am sick and tired of everytime I have a reason for undoing someone's edit nd don't give them the reason (which you know the reason) getting upset and not using the talk page and leaving the page as it waas before the disputed edit was made which is also part of the rules I don't tolerate vandlism and unlike you and 100xBigBangKamehameha I have been here longer and know the rules damn good about vandlism. 10X this whole thing is about the seperation of the baattles by show and the ones thaat are only filler battles which we don't need seperated in mine and Meshack's eyes but 100XBigBangKamehameha and Zax90 (who needs to start signing his posts) believe it is just because of people on another site running their mouths. Now me if this shit continues with these two saying I am the only one breaking the rules when they are also I am going to leave and not come back.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:32,9/3/2015 

I am not the one you needed to give a reason too. You undid the edits WITHOUT first giving any reason at all. You did not explain why you undid the edits, you did go to the persons talk page and discuss the matter with him to reach an agreement or conclusion. Instead you made your mind up and just undid the edit for seemingly no reason. That is disrespectful and should not be allowed to happen.

If every time someone disagreed with someone an edit was undone the wiki wouldn't operate. If you disagreed you should have explained why and not just do as you please.

I would not just undo an edit of yours for that reason, you shouldn't do it for other people out of courtesy. You being here longer is disturbing as you continued to edit war after being told many times not to in a polite manner.

You are voicing your opinion as fact. I believe that it should be kept separate as it shows the appropriate difference between what took place in the manga and what didn't. It is useful for people like me who haven't read the manga. It is as the other person described also more consistent that way than how it currently stands where only some fights are specified as being anime only. —This unsigned comment was made by Zax90 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Indeed the edits were undone without an explanation being given. There was no attempt at using the talk pages until after it had already been removed.

All I suggest is separating the battle section around a bit to make it more reader friendly and consistent. On the pages of some characters "anime only" or some alternative will be placed next to anime exclusive fights but this is not done for others which just makes it very inconsistent and a mess. The listing "Major Battles" will just list EVERY battle and ones that are clearly not major battles and barely even minor battles however "major" battles from the movies are NOT included and have their own separate section as do the games.

A list of which fights happen (in order) in all 4 series along with a separate list or just wording that denotes fights that are exclusive to the anime would be for the best. I honestly don't see why this is a problem. I was just trying to better arrange the battle section and give it consistency amongst other character pages. That's it.-- 100BBKXenoverse2 00:08, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Two sections above this one

Anemicne already handled it so don't worry about reading all that. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:35, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

Excellent. I'll still read through everything since everyone went through the trouble of contacting me. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:58, September 4, 2015 (UTC)

About the anime series and yes all of it in general

By the way do you happen to dislike certain things in a anime serie like DB? I don't really have dislikes in the anime series as well. Starkiller215 (talk) 04:08, September 6, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

Do you mean compared to the manga or just as its own entity? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 11:07, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Just its own entity to be exactStarkiller215 (talk) 02:23, September 12, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

Just DB, not DBZ? I liked DBZ a lot better. The action and animation were great and they always kept you in suspense. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:12, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

No, I also watch DBZ anime series as well. Not only DB, but even DBZ is included as well. Starkiller215 (talk) 10:05, September 12, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

Battle of Gods Saga

How do I add the newest episodes to the Battle of Gods Saga thing? I also need to edit the name changes Meshack (talk) 00:07, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Depends what you mean by add it to the "thing". Are you trying to create an article, edit a template, add a page to a category, something else? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 11:09, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

My Response to Your Claims

Let's start with the 'basics': You made a claim that GT is canon because (X) and i'm going to point out your falsehoods.

"here are many reasons we consider DBGT to be canon (a decision essentially up to each person individually) on this site" 

No, you're wrong. It isn't someone's opinion on what is the source material, and as administrator of wiki you're responsibility is to make sure those claims are based on something tangilble to those who don't know or are informed. The same is with religion, you have a right to believe it. But because you believe in it doesn't mean its a tangible reality. And have the right to purposely misrepresent the views of what is objectively stated. It is the purpose of why wikis are made to informatively educate fanbases. Its up to the creator on what's canon to his source material.

"The most important reason it is considered canon is that it was a major anime series which was developed by a group of writers which including Toriyama" 

Uh, citation needed? It was not written by Akira Toriyama. Care to source that or cite where you've gotten that from? As a matter of fact he's villified the series even apologizing for series You're right in the regard that its the brain-child of Toei. Which look man you want to cover the characters and all that? Sure go ahead, you want to make articles on episodes etc. go ahead. But it was not not created by the mangaka, all he did is create concept art for Super Saiyan 4 and the logo and created the meaning behind the name. This is even on source material for GT.

Why can't you simply keep it seperated similar to the films. You know what? Super is canon its written, drawn and produced on the credits of the show and has called it the sequel to the manga. And what's worse is that there is no recourse here. Its your opinion along with other people that this wiki has conditioned to accepting the information on here. Similar to how people are reading propaganda. In example Zenkai is not a real term or even a real thing. Saiyans have the ability to recouperate and get stronger but Zenkai is what GT is to DB a complete brain-child of someone else. The stark difference is that GT has more canonicity because it was an anime-only toei exclusive sequel to DB. 

Again there should be a way to completely change something on this wiki. The amount of disinformation on this wiki. Like this what is that? A completely made-up transformation and just because you've won the domain of Dragon Ball your wiki has got the audacity to completely misrepresent this series. And the problem is that there is no way of appealing these changes because again you disagree. Because you're right. Are you kidding me? Block me, too. Don't ask me or threaten me, simply do it. Because you're going to lawyer and straw-man my entire position and call me intimidating because i've challenged your ideas. This is why this wiki is laughed at there is no helping this wiki. One persons will simply edit-war me and I'll get blocked for what? Being righter than the authority that should be such. Putrid. Cmpukesy (talk) 12:31, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, nice to meet you. (That's what people who have never interacted say to each other.)
It looks like you found some quote of mine somewhere, which is either very old and may not represent the current views of this community, or you pulled your favorite parts of it out of context. If you link the statement, I can tell you which it is. Now, allow me to correct some of the misconceptions that you currently have about the site, and fill you in with our latest stance on canon. Keep in mind that as a Wiki, the policies and guidelines change over time based on community consensus.
Start off by reading this, which will give you a good baseline for understanding our stance on canon:
TL;DR? While Star Wars has an employee assigned to maintaining an official canon, Dragon Ball does not. Toriyama has never defined a canon of his material, and he has had varying levels of involvement with many media entries into the series. Sometimes he is the sole author, sometimes he writes the outline, sometimes he draws the main characters and settings, and sometimes he simply approves the product during or after production. It would be great if Toriyama told us what is official and what is not, particularly for Dragon Ball Super, which has 3 different versions of itself with roughly equal input to the movies, anime, and manga from Toriyama. Unfortunately he hasn't made any statement about what is canon or official, so we are left to wonder. To address the need for guidelines on what events take priority in articles, we use levels of canon, starting with the original manga unparalleled at the very top.
You asked for a source stating Toriyama wrote GT. The credits of GT say he is the author. He is credited separately as the author of the original manga, then as the author of GT. You can find screenshots on the GT article talk page. Evidence points to Toriyama not actually being a writer, but as developing many of the original concepts for the series and the character/environment models. You can find this info on the GT article.
"As a matter of fact he's villified the series even apologizing for series." I've never seen Toriyama apologize for GT, please give me a link to that apology. Seems fishy since you said he wasn't involved, I wouldn't apologize for something I didn't do. I'm guessing this is a rumor or mistranslation, but maybe you'll surprise me.
"Super is canon its written, drawn and produced." Um, what? GT was written, drawn, and produced too. I'm guessing you forgot the second half of your sentence, although there is no logical conclusion to that. Super is being released in 3 conflicting versions, none of which are written or drawn by Toriyama. He gave 3 teams of people brief outlines of the plot, and they took it from there. I personally hate the way they are making 3 versions at once, since it's hard to write an article on events that happen 3 different ways with no clear preference on which is most official. As to GT being separate in articles like movies, it already is. For characters appearing in multiple series, there is a section for DB, DBZ, DBS, DBGT, and the movies all separate from each other. Maybe read a couple major articles before you start attacking the way a Wiki is formatted.
Saiyans do recouperate and get stronger after battles where they are beaten to near death. This occurs in the original manga and other media. The series didn't name it, and "Saiyans do recouperate and get stronger after battles where they are beaten to near death" is a mouthful to write over and over in articles, so we had to apply a name to it on our own. We don't like doing that, but it is sometimes necessary to refer to something without any official name. As the Zenkai article states, the term Zenkai was picked because a Japanese DBZ ending theme uses the term "Zenkai" to refer to a miracle increase in maximum power. It's not an official name, but it's an important concept and it needed a quick way for us to refer to it. If you look at modern media, fan communities are often forced to do this. If you're a 5 Nights at Freddy's fan, you're probably aware of Phone Guy and Phone Dude. Those are unofficial names, but the fan community needs a way to refer to these important characters. As for the "Furious Transformation", let's discuss it on the article talk page. That article is a week old and I hadn't seen it until you linked it here. I already responded to your post on the page.
To your last paragraph about changing the wiki, simply use the corresponding article talk page. Literally telling an admin to block you and calling them putrid before they have ever said a word to you is a good way to get yourself blocked. Everything you said before then is exactly the right way to ask questions and get answers. Changes come through community consensus, so unfortunately you can't instantly change everything on your own. Making up fake quotes like Toriyama apologizing for GT or saying Super is canon in your opinion because it was written and drawn (by whom?) is not going to convince others. If you're not convincing with proper evidence, you won't be able to make others see things your way and change the site. Work on collecting your evidence beforehand if that helps, and opening your mind to understanding others before you attack them. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:46, September 11, 2015 (UTC)


I have feeling Zax90 is Omega-Cooler1 look on Talk:List of power levels.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:56,9/11/2015 

I also found this  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:00,9/11/2015 

Hey 10X when you are sure that Omega-Cooler1 is the same person as Zax90/91 how about you ban Omega-Cooler1 then IP ban Zax90 so he can't make another account and can't come back.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:17,9/11/2015 

Anemicne blocked his latest accounts, thanks for the heads up. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:11, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
No problem and I know he done it after I messaged you about it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:36,9/12/2015 

Most people are so ungrateful to be alive. But not you. Not anymore.

This guy is reverting edits you reverted by a sockpuppet so he's probably a sockpuppet too. Sand bearprayview creations 14:29, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

And then another account showed up and removed my message from your talk page. At first I thought you was mad at me again and erased it since a bunch of users left messages since then (and I figured someone would have noticed if someone removed it for no reason), but no, it's that guy. Also, he reverted my reverts on the troll's reverts of your reverts. Those have been removed/reverted. Sand bearprayview creations 00:10, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

And another sockpuppet removed my message, but Anemicne got here and solved the things. Everything's fine now. Sand bearprayview creations 02:44, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, yah that guy's having some fun making multiple accounts and harassing us all. No big deal for now, we'll just keep blocking him, takes two seconds. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:42, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Full-Power Super Saiyan

The user Meshack is editing warring and constantly removing a solid and sourced information in the transformation page, even though I provided the link and the said source proving the fact.Bargeta (talk) 17:48, September 12, 2015 (UTC)

it's not a fact. You just don't get it. If it was fact, it would've been on here already. and plus the kanzenshuu link you showed me, no one from kanzenshuu commented on there. Meshack (talk) 17:50, September 12, 2015 (UTC)
No problem,let's discuss it on the article talk page and fully investigate:
Let's leave the page without Trunks and Goten listed just for the time being so the edit war stops, but we'll of course edit the page to the most correct version once the discussion reaches a consensus. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 08:47, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Sagas page

Yo. Can you fix the BoG and RF saga page? It has the SMW on 6 thing Meshack (talk) 02:59, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

What does "It has the SMW on 6 thing" mean? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:34, September 20, 2015 (UTC)
I don't know but look at the pages Meshack (talk) 03:35, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Something something something about Semantic MediaWiki Nonoitall was doing back in 2010. The infoboxes are like super-automated, but quite complex. The infoboxes and/or other templates need stuff added for DB Super for the infoboxes to function properly. Which no one here but Nonoitall seems to know how to do, and he's gone D: I made a Dragon Ball Super "episodes" and "sagas" page in the Concept namespace to go with the others a few days ago, but I think the numbers should be swapped with GT's, because the infoboxes display the DB Super sagas after the GT ones (unless we want them chronologically by real-life, since GT came first). Although I'm not sure what to do. Sand bearprayview creations 14:04, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

do you know what we're talking about X10? Meshack (talk) 03:42, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

As a first step, why don't you tell me what article you're talking about. A link would be great. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:57, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

These pages. It has the brackets and the six inside. It doesn't show the episode numbers and they won't go to their concept page. Plus the sagas should go between the Kid Buu Saga and the one after that.(I'm referring to the prev. and next. thing Meshack (talk) 04:01, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

The sagas infobox template is very complicated, we're probably going to need a Semantic Mediawiki expert to dig into that. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:28, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Infobox image

About the rule that characters are meant to have their base/true form in the infobox, should we change Dabura's infobox picture to an image of his base form? We currently use a picture of his Majin form.Neffyarious (talk) 03:36, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Good idea. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:58, September 21, 2015 (UTC)
why? it's a video game picture, not part of the original manga. Meshack (talk) 04:42, October 16, 2015 (UTC)

Goku Breath in Space?

14:21, September 20, 2015 (UTC) What are your thoughts on Goku as SSG breathing in space? I know in the FIRST frieza arc its stated he can't breath in space and Vegeta (in Resurrection F) is said to not breath in space I think. What are your thoughts on this though? You think Goku as SSG could actually breath in space?

Goku could breathe in space in Dragon Ball, then apparently couldn't in DBZ. When did he breathe in space more recently? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:59, September 21, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 23:09, September 21, 2015 (UTC) Battle of Gods in both the anime and movie. When did he go in space in Dragon Ball?

Chapter 17. He brings 3 bandits to the moon on the Power Poll, and the bandits even live there afterward breathing normally. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:07, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
he could have been holding his breath when traveling to the moon with the power pole as it extends really fast frieza confirmed that goku couldn't breathe in space otherwise he wouldn't have set planet namek to explode 'in 5 minutes'. in battle of gods its more likely that goku was in the stratosphere of the earth (the last layaer of the atmosphere) and so was technicallly stil on earth not in space. 0551E80Y (talk) 09:41, September 22, 2015 (UTC)
The manga says stratosphere, so I think you've figured it out. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:34, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Grades of Super Saiyan

The pages Ascended Saiyan and Super Super Saiyan (not too sure about Super Super Saiyan) are dub only terms. Here on the wikia, you need correct information and using the terms Ascended Saiyan and Super Super Saiyan are incorrect. The grades are known in Japan as Super Saiyan Grade 2 and Super Saiyan Grade 3. We had the pages at Super Saiyan Second Grade and Super Saiyan Third Grade but somebody changed it, feeling the need to use dub terms which are wrong. I suggest we change the names to "Super Saiyan Grade 2" and "Super Saiyan Grade 3" because that's what they're known in Japanese community. We can put "Ascended Saiyan" in the info as a dub term and we won't have the form named wrong. Meshack (talk) 20:45, September 22, 2015 (UTC)

The thing to remember here is that we want the articles to be named consistently. To do that we have to agree on one way to do things, and list that way on the Manual of Style. For instance, the current policy for naming conventions is: written here. As it states, we prefer English anime titles for page names. All versions of the name in many languages are listed on the page too, so the page title really only serves to help users find what they're looking for. It's not a claim about canon or what's most official or anything like that; the anime names are simply the most familiar to our readers, which was proved recently through a site-wide poll receiving nearly 10,000 votes. The article itself correctly lists all alternate names, including the original Japanese. With that said, every part of the Manual of Style is determined through community consensus, so feel free to use the Manual of Style talk page to suggest a different article naming convention. We're always open to discussion. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:43, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Okay then we have to change Galactic Frieza Army to Frieza Force, God of Destruction to Destroyer God, and any other Japanese terms are getting changed if I think of more Meshack (talk) 02:29, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Up to you. Fan-translated Japanese is generally not encyclopedic anyway. Better to use a licensed translation. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:51, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Frieza Force

I'm not an admin. I can't do the name change for Galactic Frieza Army. It needs to be changed to Frieza Force. Meshack (talk) 22:00, September 23, 2015 (UTC)

Let's give talk a few days first, since you think there is a dispute over it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:38, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

I mean, Ascended Saiyan and Super Super Saiyan aren't the correct names of the forms. I just wanted those pages changed but I going to change the other pages also. Meshack (talk) 04:42, September 24, 2015 (UTC)

Manual of Style dictates that we always use dub names over Japanese names, so we probably should rename GFA to Frieza Force, their is no need to wait.--Neffyarious (talk) 08:00, September 24, 2015 (UTC)
When was it called the Frieza Force? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:26, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

FUNimation promotional purposes and throughout the scene of Frieza's revival Sorbet mentions "I've been leading your forces while you were gone." Frieza also says something like you brought the worst welcoming troops to my party or the Frieza Forces have been something something something Meshack (talk) 01:44, September 25, 2015 (UTC)


Dbzejo deleted portions of the GT page again and I rolled that edit back.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:38,9/25/2015 

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:57, September 26, 2015 (UTC)

Question on Dragonball Weekly Shonen Jump

Hi there. I have recently started to collect the original Dragonball released in Weekly Shonen Jump. In your opinion, which episode or volume would command the most value? I have recently acquired the very last episode of Dragonball which originally released in Weekly Shonen Jump format. ```` —This unsigned comment was made by Drosefan012 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Not sure, I recommend a comic book pricing site, they might have manga or Japanese magazines. By the way, you want to use 4 tildes ~ to sign your posts, not 4 of ` symbols. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:42, September 29, 2015 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Super Battle of Gods Saga Thoughts?

Beclauss (talk) 03:03, September 30, 2015 (UTC) What do you think of the series so far (SPOILERS AHEAD) Also what do you think of SSG now that we've seen a glimpse of its power as well as the both Goku and Beerus sending RIPPLES through the ENTIRE UNIVERSE during their fight? I mean to me, a God in DBZ ISN'T EXAGGERATED ANYMORE XD!

It's all very cool and intense. I like it a lot. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:01, September 30, 2015 (UTC)


This user needs to be banned for vandalism and using the f word. Meshack (talk) 21:33, October 1, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:53, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

saiyan beyond god

on the pages of goku, vegeta, frieza, whis, and resurrrection f, adding saiyan beyond god is like adding ultimate gohan to everything gohan is mentioned. is it okay to remove it? Meshack (talk) 17:06, October 3, 2015 (UTC)

Probably a better issue for an article talk page than just my opinion. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:07, October 3, 2015 (UTC)


do the character pages need a ki section? Meshack (talk) 02:28, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

What would a ki section be? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:34, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

i don't know... Neffyarious has made edits to Goku's page. I undid it because I wasn't sure if it was needed or not. I was going to ask you and him Meshack (talk) 02:37, October 7, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I understand now. No, that section should not exist. We should use sections listed in the Manual of Style for that information, such as appearance and techniques. What color the ki is does not need it's own section. In fact, images alone may be enough to characterize the ki in many cases. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:41, October 7, 2015 (UTC)


He has vandalized several pages. Meshack (talk) 19:59, October 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:51, October 12, 2015 (UTC)


He used the word "dick" which it not acceptable on this wikia. I have been insulted by this use of a word. Meshack (talk) 18:54, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Lol, saying "What the hell are you doing?" is a lot more offensive than "Why are you being such a dick?". SavageXKilla (talk) 18:58, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

I said "SavageXKilla watch what you're doing" and i wasn't insulting you Meshack (talk) 19:02, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

The Universe Crumbles?! Clash! The God of Destruction vs. Super Saiyan God!. Check the edits log. I don't know what the problem is. If I'm doing something wrong, like screwing up the spacing when I add a photo, tell me how to do it properly, instead of being a you-know-what. I thought we were cool. SavageXKilla (talk) 19:09, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Come on guys, you're better than this. Meshack, be constructive when telling something they did something wrong, especially new people. SavageXKilla, please don't insult people, even if they are rude. Two wrongs don't help anything. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:55, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

saga vs arc

i want to know why we use saga over arc? Meshack (talk) 04:11, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

Because it's the terminology Dragon Ball has always used. Wikipedia uses it too, and there is even a video game called Dragon Ball Z: Sagas. Why would we use arc? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:47, October 14, 2015 (UTC)

idk. lol Meshack (talk) 02:33, October 15, 2015 (UTC)


100x Big Bang Kamehameha said I was 'stupid as shit' in the chat area for stating that Omnipotence has limits and citing a reference.--Hulk10 (talk) 19:54, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

Take a screenshot next time... it's difficult to justify a warning or block based on "he said, she said" instances. Insults are certainly against the rules but if you say he did it and he says he didn't I don't know what to think. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:49, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Wiki Integrity

I know I have had limited contributions made to this wiki however there are some serious issues here that need addressing.  There are several pages here with opinionated information that wiki users state as fact.  Pages like Risking it all for a friend, Saiyan Soul, and Super God Fist are pages that are a prime example of some of the issues I'm referring to.  With Saiyan Soul where a video game technique has be applied retroactively to several times when Saiyans have powered up.  What is the difference between the power ups and Saiiyan Soul.  Can you really tell difference between the two?  Yet it is taken as fact in and posted on the page where people come to answer questions they may have about the series.  Super God Fist seems to be and punch Goku used while flying at an enemy which really doesn't make sense.  And Risking it all for a friend was actually made into a technique?  If it was restricted to Piccolo it wouldn't be that big an issue but whenever anyone prevents someone else from getting blasted is surplus.  This wiki condones ambiguity at an alarming rate which results in superfluous information being put out.  This information here is just an example of what I'm talking about

  • Saiyan Soul being applied to power ups outside of video games even though it can't be distinguished from a normal power-up
  • Risking it for a friend being referred to as a technique for multiple characters
  • Super God Fists insane amibuity
  • Final Kamehameha's profile image
  • And images of various techniques being added to pages that even if the attack is just a random move

Stitchking1 (talk) 12:35, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

You have things a bit backward for the most part. Ambiguity is when things are uncertain, undefined. When video games name techniques that we have previously seen but hadn't been named yet, it allows us to be more specific and remove ambiguity. If the options are not referring to a name for a specific technique, or using the name given to that technique in a video game, then using the video game name makes perfect sense. You might be upset about the fact that fairly common moves were named in video games, but licensed media takes precedence over your opinion (or mine, or any editor's). If there are images on an article that are not of the named technique, then you can of course remove those erroneously placed images. Our editors sometimes make mistakes, and other editors like yourself are helping to improve the wiki by correcting them. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:56, October 17, 2015 (UTC)

Some moves techniques it makes sense for I get it.  But others it doesn't.  There are techniques that were given names in video games.  But there were also techniques that were created specifically created for the games.  Saiyan Soul for staters.  I'm not saying that you shouldn't add names to techniques named in games.  What I'm saying that you are adding techniques and attacks THAT YOU DO NOT KNOW ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT MOVE.  Can you say for sure that that these moves are the same?  That's the problem here.  You can say that licensed media takes precedence all you want to and I understand that.  But what you're doing is applying names given to techniques in the games to technques in the anime with abandon.  Stitchking1 (talk) 23:22, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

It was my understanding that you were mad the wiki allows names from officially licensed material to be applied to other media where obviously appropriate. If that is not the case, and rather you have found specific examples of bad editing, then I recommend you edit those articles to remove the material that you think is erroneous. If you're nervous then you can bring it up on the relevant article talk page and see what others think. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:09, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

StitchKing1 we can on Risking it all for a friend, because of the fact that everyone who uses that move does the same thing jumps in front of someone they want to protect no matter the cost. Now Saiyan Soul I don't know about.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:10,10/21/2015 

I apologize for not being clear in the first post.  And to be honest I do like the fact that video games give names to unamed techniques.  Except when multiple games give multiple names to the same move.  And its not that I'm nervous about bring these problems up, its just that I get brushed off a lot so that's why i had to bring it to you.  And I knoow some people here think that I'm being too stringent.  And Goku20, I get where you're coming from for Risking it All but my stance is that the technique was given to Piccolo for a certain game based off of a certain event in the series.  But I will admit that there are several other characters who have similarly done the same thing, but calling it a technique is somewhat off-putting. Stitchking1 (talk) 15:13, October 21, 2015 (UTC)


Do you use the Mozilla Firefox browser? Sand bearprayview creations 03:16, October 19, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, although I use a few others as well. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:04, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Heroes

The user "Bardock ssj2" is edit warring. He keeps deleting an information even though there is an image proving it. As you can see here: Bargeta (talk) 16:21, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Start a topic on the article's talk page. You should try and resolve this via discussion. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:30, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

There is no room for discussion when there is fact involved. Bargeta (talk) 20:21, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

That's a really terrible stance to have, and completely the wrong way to get things done. Everyone is trying to make the site better, and there are often facts on both sides of an argument. The series contradicts itself often, and there are multiple ways to list the same info. Discussion and reasoning are the cornerstone of a high quality, living encyclopedia. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:55, October 26, 2015 (UTC)


Im new to this wikia and i recently made a age but it was reported, can you please let me know what i did if i did anything wrong? the page is (talk) 22:02, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

I'll take a look and respond on your talk page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:07, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

TheUnknown7Unknown7 blogs with bad language

This new member is swearing in his own blogs. Here's a link. I request the ban hammer.!!!

Teengohanrocks (talk) 20:25, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

It's all good. — A (tc) 22:54, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

YIKES. Thanks Anemicne. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:03, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

thier are mulitple edit wars going on

User:Zeev Zeev is edit warring I have done told him to use the article talk page and he has also called me sandy in reference to Sandubadear, can you take care of it please?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  12:23,10/31/2015 

its a sockpuppet account of Dxrd he's made tons but Neffyarious has banned all of them but he keeps coming back one way to tell is that every account he made always refference israel in it or in his edit summary in this case (e.g *ISRAELITES FTW! kid u suck*).plus his grudge against sandubadear shows as well. 0551E80Y (talk) 14:57, October 31, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll check it out. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 16:19, October 31, 2015 (UTC)

Two edit wars

Savagexkilla is edit warring on Master Roshi and he used the article talk page but after he didn't get a reply he went and started the edit war back up, Also IStoleThePies is edit warring on Ki.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:44,11/2/2015 

Thanks, I'll take a look at both. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:34, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

On the Master Roshi page, I think you're at fault for never responding on the talk page. On the Ki page, you should use the talk page and not just undo his edits. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:42, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

Reporting a vandal

In the past month, the user Il Cazzuto has deleted most of the list of power levels page twice, ruining the table and cutting out 90% of the power levels. These are the only edits Cazzuto has ever made. The link is to an old version of the page after he got to it. Plant (talk) 23:05, November 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:01, November 11, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Plant (talk) 20:22, November 14, 2015 (UTC)


Hey! Not sure what the admin structure is like on here, but I'm reaching out to you because you seem like the top admin based on number of edits. I’m with Wikia’s Community Development team. We are consistently impressed with the work you guys are doing on here and the community you’ve built. Part of what we’re doing right now is working with studios to connect directly to fans, and we’re wondering if you guys would be interested in an opportunity. We’ve talked to Funimation about possibly hosting some hot video content (relevant of course) on this wikia as an added bonus for your users. We’re not sure exactly what the video content is going to be though so we can’t give specifics at the moment. Is this something you guys would be interested in at all? The idea is that the content would live in a prominent place on all of the pages of your community, for a temporary period (like 2-4 weeks). Usually it’s like a banner on the top of your pages. We absolutely wouldn’t do anything like this without admin consent/approval which is why we’re asking, but we think it should be pretty cool to see what they’re offering. It’s also just always cool seeing that the big studios are becoming aware of wikias like this. - Billy Arrowsmith (Talk), 00:09, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

That sounds like a fun opportunity for our users. Keep me informed, but I'd say we're interested in sneak peeks from Funimation based on what you've described. To tell you the truth, Funimation is almost certainly aware of us. We've seen them occasionally use our ad hoc names to apply to previously unnamed characters and organizations in-universe, quote one of our templates in a TV video game commercial, and make a video game scenario named after a longtime admin here. So again yes, we're interested. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:14, November 11, 2015 (UTC)


We have a user currently on chat that won't stop cursing and questioning the rules. There's no Mod to keep them in check, could you come and deal with him please? 

AlissaNyaa~ (talk) 03:41, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Doesn't seem like anyone broke rules from that screenshot. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:00, November 14, 2015 (UTC)


Some articles on this wiki are things taken out of context and not given official names. Pages like Furious Mutation, Cosmic Suit, Nightmare Transformation, etc. These types of pages need to be removed. Meshack (talk) 04:11, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

Have you used the deletion template before? It is a template used to tag articles for deletion review by an admin. If not, I can give you an example. This is the process we use for getting rid of bad articles. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:03, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
I noticed you tagged two articles for deletion. The reasons you gave were good ones, so I deleted those articles. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:06, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
well, i didn't want to put an deletion template on it because i didn't want complaining, so I started talking on the talk page Meshack (talk) 14:39, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

It has been awhile, Man.

Hey there so how it is going on the wiki? It has been over months since I last talk to you. Do you get to watch any anime beside DBZ and DB the anime series? Starkiller215 (talk) 03:38, November 15, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

Things are good. People trying to figure out the canon, which will continue to be a puzzle until the producers decide to publish an official one, but that's normal. Yes, I've been watching Akame Ga Kill and Parasyte. How about you? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:21, November 15, 2015 (UTC)

Petty good all things consider I have been read some Manga and anime like Overlord and One Punch Man. Starkiller215 (talk) 21:30, November 15, 2015 (UTC)Starkiller215

Portable Infoboxes and Why They Are Important

Please join your community on this thread. Portable Infoboxes  Your input is very important. Pinkachu@fandom (talk) 02:27, November 17, 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring

The user "Meshack" is edit warring, adding unnecessary information when there is already something related. Since there are already cards on the gallery section, one for each character should be enough and not filling it with many cards from the same source (Dragon Ball Heroes, in this case). The user also delivers an offensive behavior as you can see in the summary of his edit: "Alright, now you can stop your crying". (talk) 23:13, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

nobody is edit warring. You're undoing my shit and have been doing that for a while. IC Dragon Ball Carddass is not Dragon Ball Heroes. "...adding unnecessary information when there is already something related". I wasn't giving any information. stop giving false shit to try to get someone blocked. Meshack (talk) 23:16, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

This is an example of an ICCardass card: Which is much different from Dragon Ball Heroes's cards:

If you want to add cards then okay, but it should be from another source, not the same. Plus, you are adding cards with bad quality and too small for even the wiki's standards. Bargeta (talk) 23:22, November 20, 2015 (UTC)

Meshack, please try to act more civil, remember we all have the same goal of making the site even better. Telling the user to stop crying and calling his work "shit" is only making you look like the aggressor here. Bargeta, can you link me an example article where this is occurring? Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:20, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

It was occurring on Super Saiyan God's, Saiyan beyond God's and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan's articles. But I think we are fine now, he himself deleted the unnecessary cards he had added. And I will pay more attention on the file images issue. Bargeta (talk) 05:46, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

lol. i wasn't talking about Bargeta's work. i was saying that he was undoing my stuff because he just kept undoing it when i uploaded a card. It's over now. I gave up because he wouldn't stop doing it. Meshack (talk) 06:52, November 21, 2015 (UTC)

Delete pages

Hi, this user keeps making pages for fanon characters: Mardock, Draditz. Could you please delete them? Thank you. (talk) 11:30, November 24, 2015 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the note. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:03, November 25, 2015 (UTC)


DXRD has another sock puppet account User:MIRI-LEVI-ZONAT-ASHDOD and possibly more can you just IP ban him.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:52,11/25/2015 

IP ban is not a permanent solution as ip addresses completely change from time to time  he would only be banning the ip adress that dxrd is currently tied to once it changes he won't be tied to that one and if someone else gets that ip address that person would be banned i figured maybe 3 months should do range ip block him as well. 0551E80Y (talk) 14:50, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

I have been using IP ban. I'd be happy to do a range block, but we need a checkuser to find out what IP addresses the sock puppets have been using. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:04, November 25, 2015 (UTC)
Ok.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:25,11/25/2015 


THE USER Mino323 broly goku fan IS VANDALIZING PAGE WITH INFO THAT'S NOT TRUE, I GUESS. Meshack (talk) 21:59, November 27, 2015 (UTC)

What page? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:52, November 30, 2015 (UTC)
Several: Goku, Gine, Turles, Raditz, Bardock, Chi-Chi's mother Meshack (talk) 05:22, November 30, 2015 (UTC)
I looked and he's not changing much, what are some examples of this "nonsense"? I see that in your edit summaries and message to him, you didn't once say what was wrong with his edits. You just yelled at him. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:10, November 30, 2015 (UTC)


Do you guys not have any episode pages? I feel like with almost 6K pages you would, but i can't find any. If not, would you be interested in making some? I wouldn't find helping. --~ Lorisa! (talk) 02:05, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Episode_Guide - Enjoy. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:56, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Fighting style

I was thinking that on the wikia's character pages we should include a "Fighting Style" section between the "Power" and "Techniques" sections, since each character has their own style of fighting that we should provide information about (e.g. Goku's usage of the Turtle School martial art style, Vegeta's kick boxing-esque style, Frieza's dirty fighting tactics etc.). What do you think?--Neffyarious (talk) 14:39, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

Seems a little too subjective. Most characters in the series only fought once, and that's hardly enough to claim any sort of style. For the characters than fought more times, we'll end up with all sorts of claims about which real life martial arts styles most resemble Toriyama's likely uneducated drawn fights. Too subjective for an encyclopedia since we don't know the answer for sure. A neat alternative would be uploading some videos of characters fighting or posing to fight and posting them in the gallery. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:28, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Voice actors

If we only cater to the FUNimation English dub, then why do we have other dubs on here for the voice acting? Meshack (talk) 22:13, November 30, 2015 (UTC)

We cater to all dubs, per the Manual of Style. Character names are listed for all versions. Articles are written in English, but Dragon Ball Wikis exist for many other languages, and our articles often contain inter-language wiki links. Content is written based on level of canon. Funimation character names are used in article bodies and the page display name because the vast majority of our readers experienced Dragon Ball by watching that version of the anime. The Manual of Style explains all of this. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:33, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Beerus and Champa's race

On their page, it is said that their race is cat but that's not their race. Sandubadear has claimed before that their appearance is what makes it their race but that's not the case. He used the example of Korin but Korin is a different being and has been said to be a cat (race). Can that be removed from their pages? Meshack (talk) 21:45, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

This is something to bring up on their talk pages. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:52, December 4, 2015 (UTC)


2015-11-25T16:40:52‎ Meshack (Talk | contribs)‎ . . (6,861 bytes) (-204)‎ . . (nikon you're f***** shit up dude) (undo)

this user is using profanity against me.  Nikon23 21:22, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

i don't know what this person's problem is  but someone needs to talk to him Nikon23 21:24, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, I'll take a look. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:32, December 6, 2015 (UTC)


Wow, you would delete the Kai icon when i finish all of the pages. the episodes needs a category to go under Meshack (talk) 02:57, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

it was pointless to make in the first place since dbz and dbz kai are the same thing with slight differences. Nikon23 21:38, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

this is a conversation between me and 10X Meshack (talk) 21:41, December 7, 2015 (UTC)
i just was leting you know Meshack Nikon23 01:49, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
Nikon23, your comments are always welcome. And you are exactly right, there's no point in having a new series icon when DBZ and Kai are 99% identical. There's probably nothing in Kai that isn't in DBZ. Meshack, a category for Kai episodes is a good idea, but that doesn't require redundant icons on every character's infobox. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:22, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
okay. i can get rid of the icons on the characters' infoboxes but it shouldn't have been removed. I only did it because several pages already had it on there Meshack (talk) 00:31, December 11, 2015 (UTC)
You don't need to do a thing, the icon is already removed. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:42, December 11, 2015 (UTC)
the episode pages for Kai needs to be there. So, i suggest adding the Kai logo again would be great! Meshack (talk) 20:03, December 24, 2015 (UTC)
Having Kai episode articles is unrelated. The icons for a slightly adjusted rerelease is redundant with Z icons. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:51, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
what? Episode pages need a logo to understand which series it goes under. Though Kai and Z are similar, almost the same, but it's still needed. Meshack (talk) 04:08, December 27, 2015 (UTC)
No, they don't. Articles contain a lot of info, and a logo in the infobox is extra. The first sentence of each episode article says what series it is, as does the category the episode is in. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:47, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Just one question, administration...?

How come I got blocked for helping this site out so many f time while he is still free after such a violation of ur community's rules? And BTW there's those "meshak" and "goku20" guys who alongside this guy ruin this site by removing every piece of info if it comes from me.--ZACKLIN-ZERAH-ZONA (talk) 10:30, December 7, 2015 (UTC)

Because you have been blocked before and you keeping making accounts to avoid the block just so you can keep editing and if you haven't noticed I haven't undone one of your edits since your last account and 10X since apparently Super Saiyan 4 Vegito hasn't replied can you make me a check user just wondering because Dxrd is becoming a problem, and since you said we need a check user so we know the ip the Socks are using.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:00,12/7/2015 
when your dxrd account got banned indefinately you were thrown out of this site forever you had your chance you are never to come back continue to do so and your accounts will continue to be blocked any edits from you will be reverted because you are not a legit user anymore. 0551E80Y (talk) 04:14, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
^ What those guys said. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:23, December 10, 2015 (UTC)

Edit War

Hello 10X

There is currently an edit war going on with the user Meshack who keeps removing my edits even though the info I post is true and correct. I have tried using his talk page, it is titled Deleted Edits (please read it), and we disagree on Super Saiyan Full Power. I tried to talk to him to explain but before we reached a consensus he said "I'm done talking about this if you make the edit again your getting banned. I told you several times it's not a stronger form and it's not even a new form". He was referring to the Super Saiyan full power state. Then Meshack stopped responding on the talk page. I am coming to you, instead of remaking the edit, for your opinion and hopefully so this can be resolved and I can continue with my edits.

Thank you. 

Tyman1102 (talk) 23:48, December 7, 2015 (UTC)Tyman1102

You are suppose to use the article talk page not use the user's talk page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:20,12/8/2015 
Tyman1102, thank you for your comment. In terms of user's talk pages, Meshack does not have to reply if he doesn't want to. Since he is not an admin, he can never block you. I recommend you start a topic for your proposed edit on the Goku talk page, so that anyone in the community can discuss it with you. If Meshack ignores you there for 1 week, you can consider it a consensus in your favor. Edit warring before the issue is resolved on Goku's talk page won't be productive. This process that I'm describing to you is always an option when someone disagrees with your edit and it can't be resolved between the two of you alone. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:29, December 10, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice 10x Tyman1102 (talk) 21:01, December 12, 2015 (UTC)Tyman1102

Hey 10X, I was just wondering if you could remind a user named Neffyarious (yes, I know he's an admin) about what you said regarding Gohan and his "Potential Unleashed" form. "Gohan getting powered up by Guru are permanent changes to the base form that don't need to be noted again. Gohan's "ultimate" power-up is a transformation, like Super Saiyan, that he needs to activate to use." I'm not saying I want him banned, but I'd at least like you to inform him that he's incorrect about how it's his base form. Thanks, regardless if you help or not. Super Shian (talk) 13:06, December 15, 2015 (UTC)

What is he saying that's wrong? Does this relate to a specific edit or talk page? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:08, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
It seems he's stopped editing Gohan's Ressurection of F page, saying that Gohan went Super Saiyan with Potential Unleashed in Episode 23. Thank you for responding by the way! Super Shian (talk) 21:32, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Dxrd is back

Dxrd is back and also Super Saiyan 4 Vegito said a range ip ban would be good I don't know if he has given you the ip though. The new account for Dxrd is User:Evelyn-tzvi-zonat-ashdod.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:40,12/16/2015 

Thank you, he's blocked. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:10, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
No problem.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:16,12/19/2015 

Freiza (sixth universe)

How can you name a character Frieza (sith universe) without actually havign prove that he is infact the frieza from the sixth universe. just becoem goku and vegeta said he looked like frieza. isn't that jusmpin gthe gun and spreading false infro without having the actual proof? Nikon23 20:36, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Are you referring to specific article or edit? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:16, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
the wiki had a page but it was removed. there's no problem Meshack (talk) 21:01, December 19, 2015 (UTC)


I think we should be able to add videos from YouTube to the Video section. Only getting Dragon Ball videos from the Library cannot bring out the Dragon Ball information we need to give the fans. Meshack (talk) 04:08, December 18, 2015 (UTC)

Most YouTube videos with DB content have been posted illegally. You can put links in the "External Links" section of articles for officially released trailers. Fan-made videos are never acceptable. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:19, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
no. videos by FUNimation or Toei themselves. Meshack (talk) 21:00, December 19, 2015 (UTC)
Why can't you add them to the wiki library and use them with the current process? If they are proprietary and not fair use, a link is the only legal way to use the videos. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:28, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
one time i tried adding a FUNimation video from YouTube. But I couldn't find it in the library and links were invalid to use Meshack (talk) 23:01, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
Have you considered using the process to add videos to the library? We know for sure that videos have to be in the library, so a video directly from Funimation's site wouldn't work. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:48, December 24, 2015 (UTC)
No, a video from YouTube. FUNimation's channel. I'll try again but it didn't work before. Meshack (talk) 19:55, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Edit Warring

The user "Alexribeiro.soares.7" is edit warring on Dragon Ball Heroes page, adding false information. Bargeta (talk) 01:45, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Why don't you leave him a polite message on his talk page explaining the situation. He might not fully understand editing or how edit summaries work. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:23, December 19, 2015 (UTC)

Report vandalism

I don't really know how to properly report it so I guess I'll do it through here, there is a user named Oscar3184 vandalising the Monoka page. Sorry for any inconveniense by reporting it this way, it's been a while since I full on worked on a wiki.Masgrande (talk) 01:44, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I have blocked Oscar3184 from editing. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:16, December 23, 2015 (UTC)


Meshack has been reverting my edits when all I did was add Raditz and Eis Shenron as the brothers of Goku and Nouva Shenron, respectively. Then he was very rude and wrong when I asked on his talk page.

From his talk page:

May I ask what is your problem with my edit on the Nuova Shenron page?
i don't know why but you're adding links to other pages but they aren't needed and they're false. Also, don't talk on my page again unless you sign your posts Meshack (talk) 19:18, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

—This unsigned comment was made by Thenmark2 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

if you checked and wasn't so quick to "report" people, I changed the post and plus your edits have nothing to do with what you said. Meshack (talk) 19:46, December 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't agree. —This unsigned comment was made by Thenmark2 (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Thenmark2, the links are probably not needed, and it might be clearer to simply write out the names of the villains as opposed to hiding them within the links from other text. That first revision from Meshack was a little rough, but the way he revised it on his talk page seems like a good response. Both of you should be using edit summaries when you edit to avoid misunderstandings like these. Thenmark2, you can sign your post by typing four tildes ~~~~ at the end of your edit. When you save the edit, the tildes will turn into your username and the date, so readers can see who is talking. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:44, December 23, 2015 (UTC)


Hey I am having a problem with User:S8413275 he/she has insulted me on my talk page plus he has edited warred on Filler till I told him to use the article talk page after I undone his edit for the third time. Also 10X if you read his message on the filler page he clearly states that if he didn't know I would undo his edit again he would undo mine again which to me clearly shows he will edit war again as long as I am not the one that undoes his edit first. Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  10:23,12/21/2015 

We could also talk about the rules you've broken, like biting the newcomers and starting the edit war as you undid more edits then me on that page. Plus you never responded to the talk page. I didn't even know there was such a thing as edit warring until I came to this wiki, as no one on any other wiki I've been on, has undone an edit without saying anything, as you can see he did on the filler page twice, so I thought he was just doing it just because, he's trying to cyberbull me. Also it's funny how he just removed something that I had already removed in my first edit, but he undid it 3 times. But since he's been here longer its ok I guess. Cool. PS I'm a girl I love Total Drama, GMW, and DBZ! (talk) 10:46, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

I never bit you or any other user and it isn't against the rules also when you undid my first edit of undoing your first edit you started the edit war not me. Also I didn't see the part about the romaning lake being mentioned in the RRA saga spot so when I seen, I remade that little part of your edit. Also I don't really leave edit summaries because some users still edit war and I only done it once because one edit I done was a way couldn't leave an edit summary.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  10:56,12/21/2015 

Idk what bite newcomers means, but I thought it meant throwing the fact that you've been here longer, which you did, like that means something. Anyway I didn't start it. After re-reading the rules about edit wars, it says if a user undoes an edit 3 times or more within 24 hours that's edit warring. Which is exactly what you did, not me. I undid it twice you undid it 3 times. So you started it. Take responsibility for your actions. And this could've been resolved if you just replied to the talk page. I can see you saying "I don't have to reply if I don't want". s8413275 (talk) 11:20, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
No the rules say that Refrain from fighting and causing "edit wars" on articles. It is considered edit warring if someone were to make or undo the same edit more than three times in a twenty-four hour period. If such conflict should occur, the proper steps to be taken in this scenario should be for those users along with others to have a respectful discussion on the article's talk page. The convention is for the article to be left as it was prior to the disputed edit, representing the last accepted revision, until an overall consensus is reached.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:26,12/21/2015 
Well in that case you're wrong too as you made the same 3 edits too. Note how this guy ignores everything except what he wants. So annoying. s8413275 (talk) 11:40, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
Go ahead keep proofing that you have no regards for the rules.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:36,12/21/2015 
Keep proofing that you don't understand it takes some people time to learn the rules. And also can I mention the fact that he's undone grammar corrections before. It's like he just undoes something at the first thing he doesn't like instead of reading the whole thing. The proof is all over this wiki.
s8413275 (talk) 11:40, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
I do understand that but clearly one rule you still haven't learned that should be a freaking easy one to learn and keep stuck in your head is "Respect other users. Personal attacks are not acceptable in any form", which clearly you can't do since you called me hypocrite on my own talk page then annoying here and believe me if I had the rights you would already be blocked for a little while because to me attacking some twice also clearly stating on an article talk page you would undo the person's "who you attacked twice but before you did" edit if you didn't know he would undo it again, shows me that you have barely if any intention to follow the rules. I am going to say one last thing to you then far as am I concern you could leave never come back but thing I want to say is I hate you.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:52,12/21/2015 
So saying you hate someone, you don't know, is respect and is not a personal attack? Can't wait until the admin sees that :)s8413275 (talk) 11:59, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
It isn't an attack or respect I am telling you how I feel about you and yes you was telling me what you thought about me but you done it differently you called me annoying and a hypocrite so you attacked me but how about we stop replying and wait till 10X gets on. Also their is a Wikia for dragon ball that I am not on it is called Dragon Universe Wikia.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  12:05,12/21/2015 
Well me calling you annoying and a hypocrite was telling you how I feel, not an attack, so yep we can leave it at that. s8413275 (talk) 12:09, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
10X she is already editing the page again even though the discussion hasn't ended and me and you both know that name calling even if the person calling names is telling the person they are calling a name how they feel. She clearly has no regards for the rules which she has proven by editing the page with a discussion going on plus name calling.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  15:54,12/21/2015 
Well he is ignoring the talk page obviously, so I assumed he was okay with my edits. I hate you. s8413275 (talk) 15:57, December 21, 2015 (UTC)
And when I do get blocked I won't care because it's better then wasting my time, putting my hard work into editing this wiki, (or trying to) only to have some loser undo them without reason. Then try to say that hypocrite is worst then saying you hate someone. I hate you 1000x more, and you can drop dead Goku20... see you never lame ass :) s8413275 (talk) 16:22, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

10X since you are inactive I have went to Neffy about this but just in case he doesn't do anything the matter has gotten worse. I told Neffy not to worry about it I will let you deal with it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  11:58,12/22/2015  11:58, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Hello folks, I'm sorry that you're both having a tough time with this. "Bite the newcomers" means being generally rude to new users, as opposed to being civil and helpful. It doesn't mean give up when you know you're right, but just be courteous even when telling someone they are wrong. Goku20 you're a good editor, but we both know you can be a bit rude. Not a rulebreaker, but there's room for improvement in being kind and helpful when someone is new and doesn't know all the rules yet. Remember that in most cases, everyone wants the site to be great, so we are on the same team.
Now concerning the edit wars, Goku20 quoted the policy that "The convention is for the article to be left as it was prior to the disputed edit, representing the last accepted revision, until an overall consensus is reached." That means that when you make an edit S8413275, and Goku20 undoes the edit, you should temporarily leave it the way it was before and how Goku20 reverted it. This is just to stop the edit war while discussion happens. "Edit war" is a common wiki term, and Wikipedia (who we are not a part of, but take some pointers from) has many policies about it. You use the talk page to discuss the conflict using logic and not insults, talking about the merit of the edit and not the user who made it. If no one responds to your talk topic for 1-2 weeks, then you can consider it a consensus in your favor. For now, I'll check out the Monster Beast Giran and Filler talk pages where you two have been chatting, and give you my opinion. Hopefully we can all agree on a best course of action for the articles without hating each other over it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:57, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
I apologize for creating that massive edit war, I promise not do it anymore. But about that 1-2 week thing. If this were to happen again (which I'm sure it is). If I were to wait 1-2 weeks for the user to not reply, and then as soon as I change it, they undo it and don't reply again for another 1-2 weeks, then what? s8413275 (talk) 09:06, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
If they are editing regularly but strategically only respond to your every 1-2 weeks, they are circumventing the purpose of discussion. That has never happened here before, but come grab me if it does. It is easy to see from someone's list of contributions if they are editing other things and ignoring you. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 20:33, December 23, 2015 (UTC)


I don't care what ppl say, you run this wiki like a boss. When you want fairness, they keep complaining about "canon" when you keep putting logic in their face, they say you hate the DB manga, and that this wiki is "anime only". You sir are amazing, and I want you to keep at it!!   Tailsman67 Talk | Contribs | Edit Count )   01:22, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks friend, that's very kind of you to say. Being the bureaucrat here is a big responsibility that I don't take lightly. The canon issue boils down to having little bits and pieces of info, but not enough to make any conclusions. This bothers some people, who draw their own conclusions, which of course don't line up with others people's. In this way, it is extremely difficult to make everyone happy at the same time, especially when new media continues to be produced. I believe the correct thing to do is present all the information we have, and allow fans to make their own informed decision about what they want to view, and what they would rather ignore. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:14, December 23, 2015 (UTC)
Keep it up bro, no one handles it better than you, wish you nothing but the best.  Tailsman67 Talk | Contribs | Edit Count )   06:05, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Real-life info

How come we add people and companies to the Dragon Ball wikia? I know they're affiliated with Dragon Ball but can't we just link their wikipedia page instead? Meshack (talk) 00:44, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

As with all other Dragon Ball topics, we have more detail than Wikipedia. Compare [3] to [4] and imagine the content that would be lost if we linked to Wikipedia instead of maintaining our own article. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:15, January 9, 2016 (UTC)
yeah, true. i just think it clusters the wikia but whatever Meshack (talk) 00:01, January 10, 2016 (UTC)
The existence of those articles does not make it harder to find any other pages, and does not make them longer. It only adds links where plain text would otherwise exist for the other articles. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:47, January 10, 2016 (UTC)


I've been looking and the galleries for pages are completely trashed. Would it be better if we have gallery pages instead of having a small gallery section? Some of the images don't show up if you scroll through the section Meshack (talk) 00:44, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Meshack. This way we can divide the pictures between Manga, Concept Art, Movie, Games and Anime. Plus this way we can avoid removing pictures or adding the same one multiple times. Also just in case other wikis use the category system. They categorized each picture into a category or subcategory. Example: Goku images, Goku (concept) images, Goku (manga) images and so on. Dreams do not exist within the realm of hours or minutes or any measure of the day. They live in the space between the tick and the tock. Before the tolling of the bell, past the dawn, and beyond the velvet night." 01:01, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Also, some of the images are bad quality. We need to have Dragon Ball Kai images and have good quality for filler scenes like the Other World filler scenes Meshack (talk) 01:16, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Most articles are very short and making a separate article for the gallery section would not make sense. For a few large articles, a separate article for a gallery could be helpful... I recommend selecting one to start (sounds like Goku might be a winner) and use that article talk page to see if others agree. The_Rush, dividing the images would not be very helpful, since the images have captions already. "Also just in case other wikis use the category system" is not a sentence, and I don't know what you are trying to say. Categorizing images is fine, but it has nothing to do with article galleries. Meshack, upgrading image resolution sounds good to me, I don't think anyone would disagree with you replacing any low quality images with the same image in higher definition. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:40, January 14, 2016 (UTC)
@10x_Kamehameha sorry. This is an example of what I met:

But if you don't like what the Avatar wiki is doing or we can try something like this:

Also @Meshack instead of removing the pics from the galleries we should try to find a high quality version of it. When you go to a picture's page (example: there's a section called File History were you can upload a higher quality of the picture. This way we can replace a photo without adding a duplicate. Dreams do not exist within the realm of hours or minutes or any measure of the day. They live in the space between the tick and the tock. Before the tolling of the bell, past the dawn, and beyond the velvet night." 03:49, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Golden Frieza

The page names for Golden Form and Angered Golden Form should be Golden Frieza and Angered Golden Frieza. Frieza says the form name is Golden Frieza so the pages need a name change Meshack (talk) 00:46, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Fine with me. I saw your note on the talk page, but I figured it wasn't worth commenting just to say I agree with you unless someone else comes to disagree. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:41, January 14, 2016 (UTC)
it has been there for a couple days Meshack (talk) 01:45, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Formal resignation!

So yeah, basically I'd like to formally step down from my admin position. As of right now, since tending to my son is my priority in life, I have not really been active anymore anyway, so it's probably for the best. I'd love to return to admin position in the future, but for now, it's just not something I have time for anymore. It's been great working with you and the rest of the team and I wish you all the best.

Dark Seeker Kotsu   20:36, January 15, 2016 (UTC)

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