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:I'll defer to Kotsu's judgment as to when a lot of blogs becomes ''too many'' blogs. However, Anemicne, I don't think it's okay to write something as if you are another user, specifically the "''I, Hulk10, have decided to...''" comment. It's borderline impersonating another user. Your actions in general seemed fine, just that one aspect bothered me. {{User:10X_Kamehameha/sig5}} 05:12, June 22, 2015 (UTC)
:I'll defer to Kotsu's judgment as to when a lot of blogs becomes ''too many'' blogs. However, Anemicne, I don't think it's okay to write something as if you are another user, specifically the "''I, Hulk10, have decided to...''" comment. It's borderline impersonating another user. Your actions in general seemed fine, just that one aspect bothered me. {{User:10X_Kamehameha/sig5}} 05:12, June 22, 2015 (UTC)
:Dear Tenny, I am merely "yolking", as my Moose-friend would call it.
:Though you can still come visit me any ol' time you like. ;)
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Hey Tenny ;D

Sent you an email. ;)

BTW, let's still go to prom together. ;) Dark Seeker Kotsu   16:41, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

mod request

I wanted to do a suggestion for and these two stay on alot and the other users know them, I have been going around to get to you Legacyhunters (talk) 17:21, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestions. I think you should pass these to Kotsu, who is our designated social admin. He is on chat far more than I am, and should be considered the main decision maker for new chat mods. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:33, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

well i'm a bit confused kotsu told me to go to you, so go back to him?Legacyhunters (talk) 17:52, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

... ;-;

...*loves Tenny more than ever before* Dark Seeker Kotsu   18:18, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

I'm the main contact for new admins, Kotsu is the main contact for chat mods. I defer to his experience for the social aspects of the site. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:47, March 13, 2015 (UTC)


i need some advice. what do you do when your geting posts like this from a wiki administrater. this came from another wiki.

why are you so butthurt? you knew the consequences that came with the last time you did that stupid shit, yet you did again, even after I warned you.

since you're just wanting to be a bitch at this point, I'll upgrade your ban to infinite. wiki doesn't little bratty shits like you. take care and have a good day, Nikon. :^) --Dirtbag Daryl 22:54, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

Daryl don't you know name calling is against the rules here.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:08,3/15/2015 

i don't think he's on this wiki, he's the administrator from mortal kombat wiki, and i was just trying to find out how i can can report him. Nikon23 23:14, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

oh he is on here Nikon23 23:16, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

First off, you need to look up the site rules. Maybe language like that is acceptable there. However, the personal attack seems to violate the wikia terms of use, which goes above any wiki's individual rules. I suggest you email the bureaucrat, if it is someone else. If that fails, ask wikia staff. They may tell you that the admin can do as he likes, but maybe they'll side with you, hard to say. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:15, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Need you to check something

I need you to check something that I think is against the rules User:Nikon23.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:50,3/16/2015 

Goku20 leave me alone! i'm not doing anything! leave! me! Alone! you need to worry about yourself and stay off of my page snooping Nikon23 06:09, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

10X what I wanted you to check Nikon has removed before you could but it was his avatar it said and I quote "Fuck Dirtbag Daryl". Now to Nikon my page on this wiki is not breaking any rules and all I done was said I needed to 10X to check not that I knew you was breaking the rules and you need to accept how the system is ran I am not attacking you I am informing you and also trying to keep this wiki clean from profanity that is not allowed. Also Nikon23 if you didn't realize on your messages in the section above that Dirtbag Daryl unkindly and rudely replied to I also replied to and told Dirtbag Daryl that name calling is against the rules here.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  10:50,3/16/2015 

Nikon23, please don't use that language. If you already removed it then thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:18, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

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Wow, neat. Thanks, I'll take a look at the curation page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:20, March 16, 2015 (UTC)


You should archive your talk page soon — A (tc) 19:33, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Done. I always archive at 100 topics. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:39, March 16, 2015 (UTC)


Give your say here. It refers to this, this, and this. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 21:52, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Right, and you forgot to move the talk page. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 21:55, April 5, 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:18, April 6, 2015 (UTC)


zomg! Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:00, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

I left him a warning. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:47, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

again ): so sad Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:33, April 7, 2015 (UTC)

The file he linked to isn't helping. I know what he said was much worse, but it is bad to attack him in return too. Please do not insult him. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:08, April 7, 2015 (UTC)


Delete this, because somehow it ended up as being a page of Blog listing (if you have trouble, click here). And this. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 21:49, April 6, 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:49, April 6, 2015 (UTC)


Hey I believe a rule has been broken on User:Nikon23.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:45,4/7/2015 

Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:53, April 7, 2015 (UTC)
No problem.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:54,4/7/2015 

Re: Archive much?

Truthfully, it is because I do not know how. ^-^' Dark Seeker Kotsu   03:43, April 8, 2015 (UTC)

Want me to do it? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:50, April 9, 2015 (UTC)
Only if you're up for it, haha. :)

Dark Seeker Kotsu   09:57, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

Need another admin

I think we need another admin on here. I would gladly take up the job of being the new admin but that is up to you and the other admins I am not asking for admin rights.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:45,4/9/2015 

Chillosko, bro. I took care of the doofus. Dark Seeker Kotsu   09:56, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Dark.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  09:58,4/9/2015 

Not a problem! I was just a bit late because I had to help a cat give birth.
I have become a grandfather far too quickly. Dark Seeker Kotsu   10:00, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

It is ok.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  10:03,4/9/2015 

Why do we need another admin? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:11, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
I was suggesting it because it seems almost every time I deal with a rule breaker and I report it to an admin that admin isn't on or no admins are which means nothing happens most usually till the user breaking the rules and myself are not on here or not awake.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  04:11,4/10/2015 


I need you to rename a page back to it's original name Dirty cancer!!!! is the page it's original name is The Battle with Ten-Times Gravity! Goku's Race Against the Clock!.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  09:25,4/9/2015 

Never mind DarkSeeker took care of it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  10:06,4/9/2015 
Okay, great. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:12, April 10, 2015 (UTC)


I have a question. If the Saiyan page gives mention to the super Saiyan forms 1-4, don't SSJG and SSJGSSJ deserve even a bit of mention in that section as well, rather than pretend they don't exist? I asked because Sandubadear insists on removing my edit which explicitly mentions them. --Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 03:25, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

He is referring to this, and I removed because that section should be brief, not big. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:37, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Aside from the SSG forms, there are also several forms partway to SS2, Baby's SS forms, Broly's SS forms, and more. There is already a link to the Super Saiyan article, which lists every SS form, at the top of the section. Listing SSGSS and the others in that section is redundant. Saying that there are SS2, SS3, and SS4 just briefly is probably okay, but if it's too much we have the option of simply stating that there are advanced forms. In general, linking to the place where the info is kept in a single, centralized location is better than posting the same info twice. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:06, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Broly isn't part of the official manga continuity. Toriyama expressly said this is being written as a continuation of the Dragon Ball manga serialization, making it canon to the official manga. As it ties into Battle of Gods, that would make the former canon to the official manga as well. As such, does not this mean the Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan forms deserve mention where even the likes of Super Saiyan 4 has been mentioned? Is it proper to exclude official, canon forms from wikia articles?--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 04:10, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

The movies are not the same as the manga. However, that doesn't matter at all since this is an encyclopedia where we post info on all the DB media. It is not a website dedicated to the DB manga. What does matter is that there is popular anime series featuring SS4, whereas SSG has just recently made to English language shores. Popularity means familiarity and thus comprehension from the readers. Regardless, I offered the option to remove the forms beyond SS. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:37, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Ten Tailed Fox

Super Saiyan 4 isn't canon. It isn't a debate anymore. Toriyama mentioned specifically, in an interview following the release of Battle of Gods, that Goku would have no further need for Super Saiyans 2 and 3 and would likely never use them again (throwing all of GT out in the process, as he uses them and the anime only Super Saiyan 4). Toriyama said that Goku has realized that the Super Saiyan form is more efficient and would go on to improve on that form. With the advent of Revival of F, Toriyama proved his words by having Goku expand on the Super Saiyan form by infusing it with the power of Super Saiyan God. Vegeta then obtained this transformation as well. All of this renders Super Saiyan 4 obsolete. Not to mention Pilaf's gang being young again—as opposed to them being prehistoric in GT—proves once and for all that Toriyaama does not acknoledge GT as a canon sequel to his manga and, in his own words, is merely a "cute sidestory". Anyting else is factually incorrect. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 04:15, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Here is the interview for proof. And here is the direct quotation: "Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are nothing more than powered-up variations of Super Saiyan. After the fight with Beerus, Goku realized that mastering his normal state and Super Saiyan would raise his level more and sap less strength, so I think he probably won’t become Super Saiyan 2 or 3 any more." ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 04:19, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Actually canon and non-canon are words not really used here when it comes to DB/Z/GT and their movies and OVA's so forget the whole bull about SS4 being "canon or non-canon".  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  04:22,4/10/2015 
Just because you personally don't like to acknowledge an 'official canon' doesn't mean it doesn't exist, you know. Otherwise, Super Android 13 would canonically exist.--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 04:25, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

I started a new topic since the above issue is about formatting a specific article, and this topic that you've started seems more general. Anyway, let's start by you telling me what canon means to you and why you think everyone agrees on your definition. Next, why do you take "probably" to mean "impossible"? Why do you think sidestory means non-canon? Why do you think Toriyama considers anything to be non-canon? The guy is an amazing artist and has never to my knowledge said any of his work is unofficial. That's the assumption you're asking to force on this site and frankly it doesn't follow.

Further, GT most definitely uses the notion that SS is more efficient than SS2 or SS3, and in fact Goku is wrecked during a battle when he uses SS3 in his younger body and runs out of power almost immediately. SS4 grants more power, and is less efficient than Super Saiyan. Obviously you are not in a position to compare the power output or energy consumption of SSG to SS4, nor is anyone else. You are taking a quote and massively twisting it to mean something else to back a point that Toriyama does not even mention. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:33, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Why, . That you would so gladly display . Therefore, let me waste no time (which is obviously biased towards GT, if your name, profile picture, and aren't anything to go by). Ahem. "What canon means to you" — this is a false assumption. Canon is a word in the English language, and like all words, has a definition. Allow me . Canon is a term that derives itself from ancient texts. It is any text that is officially apart of the original text. Applied to modern works of literature, it is anything that is considered officially part of the official work or universe that work belongs to. More specifically, applied to Japanese manga, it is anything contained within that manga, or which the author officially states to be apart of their manga continuity. Examples include The Last: Naruto the Movie, which was stated by the author to be canon to his manga, and Toriyama's own words about Battle of Gods. How do I know this? Because I'm an English major, going for my masters, who specializes in World Literature and the study thereof. I get the feeling you are not, and thus, are not duly qualified to presume as to what the word means or doesn't mean.
Secondly, GT ****s all over the notion that Super Saiyan is more efficient. Goku spams Super Saiyans 2 and 3, then later 4, throughout the series, all of which contradicts the very author you cite's own words (provided for you in the link above in translated, interview format). Lastly, once again you prove how annoyingly attached you are to GT by ignoring facts from Battle of Gods. Godly ki is in a whole 'nother world from normal ki. That is a fact that is backed up by the words of Beerus and Goku. In fact, those without godly ki cannot even sense it. Toriyama himself said, in the quote provided for you, that normal Goku and Super Saiyan Goku were far more efficient than the advanced Super Saiyan forms and that Goku would likely never use them again because he feels that his time is better spent powering up Super Saiyan. Toriyama then PROVES this by having Goku power up Super Saiyan with his Super Saiyan God ki. What use is measly Super Saiyan 4, which uses normal ki, when Goku could just power up to Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan—which puts him in a whole 'nother dimension from his enemies—and trounce his foes? Furthermore, Revival of F shows that Freiza is in his Mecha form in Hell, whereas GT depicts him in his normal final form. Finally, Pilaf and gang wished for youth, while in GT they are old as sin. Want more? Krillin has a job. He's a cop. Not so in GT. That combined with the fact that Toriyama expressed that Battle of Gods was to be treated as a sequel to his manga serialization proves that Toriyama has a concept of canon, knows what he wants it to be, and has decided to throw out GT as a viable canon source. In conclusion, calling something a "cute sidestory"—I don't know —isn't a term of endearment. Its merely saying "Yeah, that's a thing" and then he goes on to totally ignore it with his new movies.
Now, let's be clear, I'm not trying to force this view on this wiki. Your wiki is pitifully muddled with factual inaccuracies, the likes of which makes it a joke that anyone takes this site seriously. I certainly don't. You may do with this information as you please, but next time, you shouldn't . I bid you, and your factless wiki, goodnight. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 04:52, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Just found this blog where you had this very same conversation with the reasonable and level-headed Shakuran13. To save some time, he's exactly right. Canon is an ill-conceived fan created notion when applied to a series with creators that have never used it. Any attempt by fans (like us) to shoehorn the media into a term like canon is bound to fail because there can be no agreement with no higher authority to help. Even if there was an accepted canon, this website is still the DB Wiki for all DB media, not the DB Manga Wiki for DB manga info only. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:57, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Exactly, it is a factless wiki with a bunch of pretty pictures and no content worth speaking about. Even Narutopedia and Bleach Wiki manage to cover all content while successfully acknowledging what is and isn't canon. Seems that was a concept ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 05:01, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Ten Tailed Fox you just insulated an admin I advise you go read the rules and stuff. Also your assumptions of the whole another dimension is speculation also and this wiki has more facts then Wikipedia and we prefer the words canon and non-canon be used here because saying something is canon over something else is bias and not allowed on here just because BOZ and RF take place in between the last two manga chapters doesn't mean GT still can't happen at all something a lot of people forgot or don't want to admit I am not attacking you or anyone else who believes that GT is a side story but you all need to get over it and since a lot of people like to bring up that the movies are a direct continuation of the manga that means that GT is more possible now then it was before because of the fact that Goku is stronger then any other Z-fighter but believe what you want but I would recommend reading the rules before you reply again and just avoid anything that can be taking as an insult like get a life or let me educate you.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  05:07,4/10/2015 

Keep insulting people and watch what happens. You are insulting everyone on here.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  05:07,4/10/2015 

It's awfully closed-minded of you to say that anyone who is not an English major thinking about getting a graduate degree with a "specialty" in world literature is not qualified to "presume" what a word means. By the way, I actually said that I don't presume to know what canon means for Dragon Ball and further suggested that no one should. "Stated by the author to be canon to his manga" were not Toriyama's own words. Toriyama said BoG occurs after the manga, which we already knew. You might also want to rephrase things like "author you cite's own words" when attempting to convince people based on your expertise as an English major. Citing Wikipedia won't fly either as Shakuran13 pointed out. It's community edited. I could literally change the article right now to say whatever I want. In fact, I did write a portion of the Wikipedia article on canon. For the kicker, if you do want to use the Wikipedia article, scroll down to the canon interpretation "by assigning different levels of canonicity to different media". If you bothered to read our Manual of Style, you'd know that's the one we use here. If Wikipedia is your go-to for some reason, then we obviously meet the criteria. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:20, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

The 'dimensional' difference between godly ki and mortal ki is not speculation, Goku20, to anyone who watched the movie and listened to the dialogue. Both Goku and Beerus refer to the power level granted to them by godly ki as a different 'world'; the power difference between a god and a mortal is such that a distinction of being different 'worlds' of power had to be made. These movies being canon does not make GT 'more possible' than ever before; it does the exact opposite as these movies go out of their way to contradict everything about GT. Ten is making some fairly valid points that all of you are overlooking purely because you don't want to offend people who like a filler aspect of the series.--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 05:22, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

It sounds like your basis for saying GT doesn't count (is that right? Not exactly sure what non-canon means to you) is that SSG is more powerful. Why do you think SSG is more powerful than SS4? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:24, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
You know, I just took a gander at Wikipedia's article on "Canon" and didn't find a paragraph even closely related to what I said. Shows me just about how much you actually read. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 05:27, April 10, 2015 (UTC)4
10X can you just block Ten Tailed Fox for insulting behavior.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  05:35,4/10/2015 
I'm referring to the 5 times you cited Wikipedia by name in the blog I linked. It's where you posted this same argument three years ago until Shakuran pointed out that using Wikipedia is invalid. Now that Wikipedia agrees with our level-based canon system, I don't see how you can still lean on your original view that was based on that article. "Shows me just about how much you actually read." I actually read everything and then some, which you would know if you asked for clarification rather than assuming; don't be so quick to judge. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:38, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

I'm so glad you asked, 10X. I am in full agreement with Ten on this one. Canon, to me, is something that is either part of the original work (i.e. the original manga written by the man himself), stated to be part of the original manga (i.e. Battle of Gods, and Revival of F) or, when something is mentioned in a work stated to be canon (Tarble, for example, was mentioned in Battle of Gods, thus making him...oh so Why do I think Super Saiyan God is stronger than Super Saiyan 4? There's not even an argument when it comes to that. Super Saiyan 4 is a mortal form, achieved by Goku in a mortal state, and it utilizes mortal ki. Super Saiyan 4 has a ki signature that can be tracked and followed by mortals. Even Gogeta, as a Super Saiyan 4, in all his glittering splendor and radiance, was only a mortal man. Super Saiyan God, on the other hand, is a transformation that pushes a Saiyan into the threshold of Gods. It is a form that breaks the limits of mortal Saiyans, and to SHOW that they are truly godly, no mortal can sense their ki. That's the difference between a mortal ki user and a godly ki user; the user of godly ki is in a world that isn't perceivable by mortals. And that is where Super Saiyan 4 falls short. We saw in Battle of Gods ourselves that you need to be a God to truly fight toe-to-toe with a God (Vegeta's temporary outburst didn't truly harm Beerus). But, if Ten can't convince you, I don't think I can. We're all in a disagreement over what canon is, over what even true power is, from the looks of it.--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 05:35, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Let's be very careful with wording here: BoG is not part of the original manga, it is meant as a continuation of the original manga. Whereas being a part of something means a lot, continuation means very little. GT is clearly a continuation of the series, whether or not you want to call it canon, official, or anything else. Maybe you want to call it an unofficial continuation, and maybe you'd say the same of fan work. In any case, the reason I asked for your view on canon is because I'd like to recognize that not everyone agrees on that. Some will say just manga, I'm sure you know of a few, and that's the closest to what a dictionary would say. Some will say anime too, or that anime is a separate canon. Some will say there are levels of canon (which we do), with the manga as the highest level, all the way down to video games near the bottom of the bucket.
As for the power, you used a lot of creative wording there but things like SS2 Vegeta not harming Beerus doesn't mean much, since he'd have the same effect on SS4. As proof, consider SS2 Vegeta's futile assault on Super 17, a SS4-level enemy. Not sensing the power level is a good one, but we know that the senses improve with advanced forms, as does the ability to suppress power. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:47, April 10, 2015 (UTC)


I am, at the very least, done with this train of discussion. Sadly, this got way more out of hand than I anticipated (I originally came here to reinstate something I added to an article, that was literally my only original intention, and then it turned into all of that). So, while I certainly don't agree with...anything in that above discussion besides what Ten and I said, I will apologize for causing you any unneeded trouble. I still do think this wiki oughtta rework how it treats canon material and filler, but since no one can seem to agree on what those two are, the wiki will just have to stay the way it is. Sorry 'bout all that, and that's where I end my contribution to any of this discussion today.--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 06:11, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

No need to apologize, it's a good discussion to have. As for the article, adding SSG seems like too much detail, but I agree there is reasonable cause for removing SS2, SS3, and SS4 if that's an issue. A link should suffice rather than putting too much detail on advanced forms. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:16, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, that would be an ideal compromise. If not all of the forms can be given proper mention, mention the base form, link them to the primary article, and they can find the rest of the information there.--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 06:17, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
Look here and see if this suits you 10X and you LastationLover5000.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:20,4/10/2015 
I saw it earlier and was going to thank you before...all of that happened. Yes, that simple mention is all I needed to see. The only reason my addition was so large is because I'm a stickler for detail. That works fine, so thank you.--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 06:22, April 10, 2015 (UTC)
No problem and I am sorry it is just I have got to the point where I am fed up with the whole damn debate of what is canon and non-canon because it is a bull crap debate to me everything besides fan-art is canon bottom line and Ten Tailed Fox insulting not only me but 10X and other users who have made sure this wiki is as great as it is just doesn't stand to well with me not like he was insulting anyways but still I am sorry and what I told you on your talk page about why a lot of users who have been on here for awhile avoid me is the truth the only user I really run into anymore when editing is Sand so yea.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:30,4/10/2015 

I made another edit, basically just mentioning there are more forms without mentioning any specifically. If we don't have a good criteria for selecting some, it's better not to mention any, and just link to the whole list like we've done at the start of that paragraph. The canon debate is most definitely played out. No one agrees on what the canon is because there is no official canon. There is no conclusion that everyone will agree too. Even if the publishers finally came up with an official canon, I bet some people would disagree. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:32, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

Wow, luckily I went to sleep after sending my last message, avoiding all this pointlessness (a guy was blocked, could be me!) Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:21, April 10, 2015 (UTC)


About the wiki's stance on Canon. Since Dragon Ball movies 1-3 and Dragon Ball Z movies 1-13 are said to happen in "alternate unverses" , Episode of Bardock was stated as a what-if by it's author, and Dragon Ball GT being stated to be an "alternate timeline" in Xenoverse, shouldn't our page on canon be updated to reflect this? And any mention of the events of these pieces of media be removed from the main biography area of characters and placed elswhere on the page?Neffyarious (talk) 07:38, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

I was thinking something like this:

  • 1. The original Dragon Ball manga
  • 2. New Dragon Ball manga and Dragon Ball films after no.13
  • 3. Statements by Akira Toriyama
  • 4. The Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT animes
  • 5. Movies, TV specials, OVAs, and video games (with original storylines)
  • 6. Authorized guides and Statements by Toei
  • 7. Video games (without original storylines)

Neffyarious (talk) 07:50, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Iirc, it's not all movies that take place in alternate universes, only the movies 2, 3, 4 and 7. And it doesn't matter what Xenoverse says about GT since the anime series take precedence over games. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 22:15, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

There are many problems with this line of thinking:

  • First, alternate universes are an entirely different idea than canon. If an event does take place in an alternate universe, then it might as well be the very highest level of canon since we know contradictions with a main universe are never a problem. I think you'd be suggesting moving alternate universes to a lower level of canon, but that is the opposite of what should follow if we did decide to make a change in the canon based on alternate universe quotes.
  • Second, if what Sandubadear says is true than it is only a few movies, not all.
  • Third, as for Episode of Bardock, we have Toriyama saying it is a what-if, but Xenoverse saying it is canon. According to the MoS, and I would guess most fans, Toriyama statements take priority over video games, which should make us very hesitant about taking this video game seriously.
  • Fourth, considering we know Xenoverse contradicts Toriyama's statement and our canonocity levels, we should expect that times when it contradicts the anime (GT) should not be taken seriously.
  • Fifth, we do not know for sure that the alternate universe GT Trunks travels to in Xenoverse is the one in the anime. We should expect, from the time travel and alternate universes we know of, that alternate versions of GT exist and that Trunks has the ability to travel to them. No where does Xenoverse claim that this is the GT seen in the anime and that it is not the same universe as the DB and DBZ in the anime/manga.
  • Sixth, we have never separated information from various levels of canon in the articles. We state the top level of canon info, then if there are discrepancies we list then in the next sentence, citing sources as appropriate. I believe our choice not to hide material from non-manga sources, such as anime, makes us a more neutral, less biased wiki than other wikis about anime series.
  • Seventh, I do not personally feel Toriyama quotes should be a higher level of canon than completed, self-contained series. We've got 508 episodes of an anime that ended 18 years ago. If Toriyama says something like "I don't think Saiyans really should have had tails. They don't, and I was incorrect to have drawn them with tails in the show", ans then makes a 1-issue manga with Saiyans that don't have tails, does mean we re-write the whole website? I think real-time chronology of events has some weight, and the series ending almost 20 years gives it certain immunities to retcons. There's something of a case-by-case nature to this issue, especially when we see things like Episode of Bardock manga being created as a money grab marketing ploy.

That said, this info certainly belongs in the directly relevant articles. In the GT article's section for video games, it should be noted that Xenoverse features Trunks visiting a universe with GT events in an alternate universe, and it is unclear whether or not this was intended to be the GT universe we see in the anime. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:39, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I think I was wrong suggesting that we should cange how 'canon' works on the wiki. So ignore that, what I actually want is the page layouts changed to reflect the following.

  • Sandubadear is incorrect. It is stated in Daizenshuu 6 that every movie at the time took place in a parallel universe from the main timeline. So the movies that are confirmed to be parallel universe should be placed in "Parallel Universes" heading on each characters page.
  • Episode of Bardock was said to be a what-if by Naho Ooishi, it's author. I have fully completed Xenoverse and it in no way says that Episode of Bardock is canon, the events of it are not even referenced at all (other than one playable outfit for Bardock having Super Saiyan as a form). So any references to it should be removed from the main bio area and placed under a "What-ifs" section.
  • Since we don't know if GT is always an alternate universe or if there is more than one GT, I believe that instead of being placed in the character's main biography area their should be a "Dragon Ball GT" section on each page underneath the main bios, kind of like how we have treated movies.

So keeping our canon guide as it is is fine, but I do think that the pages should be altered.Neffyarious (talk) 05:18, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

Neffyarious you are wrong about Xenoverse not referencing Episode of Bardock as canon it does because before you start the mission Supreme Kai of Time mentions the worm hole (so how does it not reference Episode of Bardock as canon or the events of it at all?). Also I think the page layout is fine because what you are suggesting is making more work for everyone. Also how can Movie 1 be an parallel universe since the event's of that movie are reference in DBZ in the Garlic Jr. Saga. If we make movie one an alternate universe then the Garlic Jr. Saga would have to be also. Now the DB movies are fine with me since they clearly are in a different universe.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  05:46,4/13/2015 
I agree with Goku20 on all counts. The one thing I'd agree with but for a different reason is the bit about GT. Difficulty editing aside, you're suggesting taking something that is at best maybe true maybe not, from a video game that considers a what-if story true, and giving it a higher weight than an anime series. Even if a video game came out that said for sure GT is an alternate universe, and even if that game didn't rely on a what-if scenario in its plot, that game would still not carry as much weight as an anime series. Making any judgments about GT based on Xenoverse would be a big mistake. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:42, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

1. Nope, it is stated that the wormhole was created by Demigra and it transports Bardock forward in time to Planet Namek (during the Frieza/Goku fight) not back to Chilled's era like in Episode of Bardock. Episode of Bardock is not in Xenoverse. Even so, the events of the Bardock mission, and the Broly mission that follow are said to take place in an parallel universe which Demigra is trying to crash with the main timeline. So it's not even the main timeline Bardock anyway. 2. Dead Zone is included in the "parallel universes" so the Garlic Jr. Saga would simply be part of that universe too. Sure, the anime carries more weight than the games, but it's never stated in GT that GT is part of the main timeline, the only statement as to GT's placement I can think of is Xeonverse. A statement is greater than no statement, and as such their is no reason to assume that it is part of the main timeline, since it has only ever been said to be alternate.--Neffyarious (talk) 07:26, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

Bottom line is you are the only one who thinks it should be changed. Dead Zone being stated to be in the parallel universes in a guide book when the anime clearly states other wise is a big problem and Video Games are never trust worthy when it comes to something that has been around longer then it plus if you want to get started with the whole alternate timelines then everything that happens in Xenoverse in in one because the timeline gets changed so yea Xenoverse isn't really worthy of saying what is or isn't a different timeline. I say we leave the pages are as because something you are overlooking is that it would be making more work for everyone on here and we have enough problems with edit warriors and rule breakers that what you are suggesting would make worse.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:08,4/13/2015 

Thanks for clearing up the Bardock issue, sounds like episode of Bardock is unrelated. I agree with Goku20 that anime reference to Garlic Jr. supersedes the guide book. Someone who did not even help create the series should not have any say in denying anime events as true. As for GT, all the game says is that an alternate universe exists with GT events in it, and as I said before we already knew that from standard multidimensional theory as presented in the series. There is absolutely no reason to believe the GT in Xenoverse is the GT in the anime. Saying that we don't know whether or not GT is the same universe as the anime sounds a little absurd to me. Do we need proof to assume that DBZ anime is the same universe as DB anime? Do we need proof to assume anime episodes are in the same universe as each other? No, because it's directly observable. If you want a quote, I would reference the narrator stating it is a number of years later. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:08, April 13, 2015 (UTC)

With the way Toriyama is going about things though, who knows what'll be considered canon next? I haven't seen any Bulla/Bra yet in the new movies. Who knows, maybe Toriyama will create a new future so we can forget about GT. And maybe this time, Pan will be awesome.

Though Bulla really should be included, because I think having a daughter does something to Vegeta's character. Dark Seeker Kotsu   23:36, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Toriyama's statements shouldn't be that high. He recently said that only 3 Supreme Kais exist and they live 75,000 years, even though the manga and anime clearly say that there are actually 5 Supreme kais and they live over 5 million years -- 100BBKXenoverse2 23:44, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

I checked the exact quote that said the movies are in a parallel universe. What it actually is is Toriyama saying that they take place in a different dimension from the manga. So then the manga and anime are simply different dimensions. I was thinking we could split the character pages into multiple, like have Goku page (as is) and two sub pages covering his manga appearance and anime appearance. But this would probably be too big an overhaul. So nevermind.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:31, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

I noticed you jumped from movies to anime there. If we did split out the movies, there would be many considerations. For instance, can we trust the personality info but not the events? We already have something like that with movie events listed after the manga/anime events. Or would we have personality, appearance, techniques used, trivia, etc. separate for manga and movies? I think the correct split is personality, appearance, etc. together (with references of course), and events separate like we currently do. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:57, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Yeh. I said my suggestion was too big an overhaul so it's fine, the pages can stay as is. The last thing I wanted to say was to add Collectible Card Games to your canon list, and place them below Video games. Also Video games in the canon section should maybe be split into Video games (with original storylines) and Video games (without original storylines).--Neffyarious (talk) 09:42, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

Do the card games have plot elements? Why split the level of games? Seems like ones without plots aren't going to have any inconsistencies with the series anyway. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:09, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

The card games have names for techniques which were otherwise unnamed, and have new names for techniques which were named, but the names given by them should be a lower level of canon than video games. When I say games (with original storylines) I mean the likes of Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans and Xenoverse, while games (without original storylines) would include the likes of the Budokai Tenkaichi games.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:51, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Cards make sense, I'll add those on like you suggested. Only pushback I could imagine would be if someone complains it shouldn't be on the list at all. As for games, my point before was that games like Budokai Tenkaichi with no new plot elements don't need to be separated because they don't have anything to contribute canon-wise anyway. Saying a game with/without a plot is higher than another is a tough sell if we approach this from a neutral POV. They are the same type of media, made by the same company. We'd be stacking them based on our interpretation of what happens, rather than anything we could objectively point out. Which type are you suggesting would be a higher level of canon? Games with plots seem more likely to have contradictions with higher canon events just by the nature of them having events at all, whereas non-plot games probably have fewer contradictions for the opposite reason. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 14:56, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

I thought that games with original plots would be of a higher canon, on par with movies. The only games as such are: Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, VRVS, Shin Budokai, Another Road, Dragon Ball Online, and Xenoverse, and they have very few contradictions with anything, other than Online, which greatly contradicts GT. --Neffyarious (talk) 15:13, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Why would games with plots be higher than games without plots? You've given an example of a game with a plot having a contradiction with an anime, but games without plots seem like they would have none by their nature. I can't imagine games being on par with movies... games often include player decisions. You can lose a fight and the series ends differently than it does in the manga. I think we aught to leave games as they are. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:36, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Games without original plots usually have their own version of the anime storyline, so it greatly contradicts the anime and mangae. Games with original plots have storylines which are not seen elswhere in the DB series, they are like movies in this way. Losing a fight in the games is part of the gameplay, the storyline progressess when you succeed a mission and this is what matters.Neffyarious (talk) 04:06, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure there are enough cases of videos games contradicting each other, within the bounds of these two classifications we're thinking of shoehorning them into, that a rule needs to be made about it. The games covering manga events often give us new insight to move names and character bios that are important too. Not as valid as the manga itself, but moreso than a game that has only new events. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 15:37, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

But the games I suggested don't just have a few new events, they are entirely original. Take the Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans series for example, entirely original plotline set during the wait for the Cell Games.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

If they are entirely original, then they would never overlap the games with no original plots and there's no need to separate the canon levels. No conflicts can occur when they cover different domains. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:44, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

And, with that, I'm out. Toriyama—the author of the series, reason this wiki even exists (without him, the manga, anime, and any spin-offs wouldn't exist), and the inventor of the entire Dragon Ball universe—is having his word thrown out because Dragon Ball Wiki would rather adhere to the anime—which all readers, of any anime, regardless of the series will tell you is a secondary source (primary sources, in literature and in history, are always the original format, in this case the manga and anything coming from the original author). I am truly at a loss for words, though I can't say I'm surprised. —This unsigned comment was made by Ten Tailed Fox (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!
I'm very confused at your question, Ten Tailed Fox. This wiki uses the manga as the highest level source, as stated on our Manual of Style. This document was linked on your talk page after your first edit. Please read it before editing on the site, as it explains answers to questions like this one. You thought we disagreed with you, but the MoS clearly states that you share the community's opinion. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:35, April 27, 2015 (UTC)


Ok 10X I have a question in Xenoverse Mira has a move called Galick Beam Cannon and the movie fired like the Galick Gun so should I put it on the Galick Gun page or on the Galick Beam page or should a new page be made for it?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:03,4/15/2015 

Probably Galick Gun. Names can get translated strangely, but how it is used is tough to get wrong. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:05, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

Hey Tenny (cos I gots something to discuss with ya at some point, but it's not super urgent) :o

I missed you the other day, but if you visit me today, I promise I'll do better at checking! ;o Just say "Kotsu" and you can ping me. :) Dark Seeker Kotsu   23:38, April 16, 2015 (UTC)

Okay, here I come! -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:10, April 17, 2015 (UTC)

this guy call me stupid

-- 100BBKXenoverse2 23:27, April 18, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, he's blocked. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:37, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Vegito Figurine

I recently asked Dark this and I was sent to the Zarbon admin, I can't leave a message on his talk page since it's protected so I was hoping I could ask your opinion. On the page, it shows under a "Chinese manufactorer" a Xicor figure..Well if I remember right, I'm almost positive this was a fan character from AF that stirred the community, thus why it would be made. Should I go ahead and make this edit or no? Total Mastermind (talk) 05:15, April 24, 2015 (UTC)

Which figurine in which image are you referring to? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:27, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

He is referring to this image. I don't really know anything about AF, so I asked him to run it by you, since when I sent him to PZ, his talk seems to have been protected. Dark Seeker Kotsu   01:50, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Got it. Yes, I think it's a good idea to mention that these figurines are clearly meant to be AF characters. The stands even say AF on them! These Chinese manufactured toys were obviously not licensed by any Dragon Ball content owner, but they sure are interesting and worth noting on that article. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:53, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Well, alright. I just wanted to shine some light on it not being Vegito, so no one was confused. Total Mastermind (talk) 13:04, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Awesome, we appreciate it. Edit the article as you like to make it clear. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:10, April 27, 2015 (UTC)


Help Ten Tailed Fox is edit warring on Dragon Ball: Xenoverse page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:18,4/26/2015 

To clarify, I added content that was confirmed by Bandai to the Xenoverse page (and sourced the article it was announced in). Your friend here decided to remove it without leaving a reason, so I put it back. Nothing wrong with that. Removing referenced material is against the rules, as it counts as vandalism. I would like to add that removing sourced content without a reason is acting outside of good faith, Wikia's policy (which supercedes this wiki's internal polity) only to cry rule-breaking looks poor on your community. I did no harm to the page, I obviously edited with good intentions and even sourced my material so that there was proof that the information was valid. However, dince he insists on harassing me, however, for whatever reason he may have, I have decided to report him to Wikia Staff. It is clear you won't reprimand him for his behavior, so they will have to do it themselves. I do advise, in the future, that you reign him in. He is no admin, nor is he someone to be harassing new users. Is that not what I was banned for? Apologizes for the trouble. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 06:26, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
It doesn't matter I disputed your edit which means once you undo my edit of undoing yours you are edit warring I have warned you and 10X will warn you if he doesn't decide that you are a lost cause when it comes to the rules here which probably won't happen but still you need to follow this site policy completely not just what you want to I am not harassing you and I only removed the reference because hello idigitaltimes doesn't sound to trust worthy to me. We only use reliable sources here. Also I am not harassing new users I am stating the facts about the rules here and when I see something I don't believe is the truth or reliable I remove it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:36,4/26/2015 
^ And there you have it, 10x. He didn't care. He just wanted to trap me into "breaking the rules" again. Furthermore, if you had bothered to read the article, Goku, you would have seen that the source was Bandai themselves. So, once again, you have proven that you are vindictive and don't investigate before acting. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 06:38, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
You are wrong on the first half I didn't want to trap you into doing shit and haven't you realized that some sites who claim to have gotten the info from whatever company is making whatever it is that the article is covering could be lying I guess not bottom line you need to follow the rules here which means when someone undoes your edit use the article talk page. I am done with you since you are just going to keep lying just like BigGrim, Nikon23, and Bullza.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:44,4/26/2015 
So, I guess Forbes is lying too now? They're reporting the exact same thing and they're even more official than Bandai. Sounds like you have a very real problem with several users around here. I suppose you're not used to someone ignoring you. You're too used to getting your way. Well, I can assure you, you may be done with me, but Staff isn't. You should've just left me alone, but you decided to be rude (you're cussing at me and namecalling, whereas I have yet to do that to you). Now it is you who will suffer the consequences. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 06:48, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
You need to learn something me saying you are lying isn't name calling and shit is allowed to be used on this wiki just like damn and ass and actually you have called me names before but you haven't yet today just remember this you are the one who was in the wrong for edit warring which I warned you about twice in an edit summary and once on your talk page then I posted the rule that you broke and if you would have followed the rule in the first place we wouldn't be here so thank yourself for this also you done something else wrong you went to Wikia staff when first you are suppose to go to one of the admins of the wiki you are having an issue with the user on which you didn't do. Little info for you I am not used to getting my way because of the simple fact that since Bullza decided to make me out to be the bad guy every damn user I report for braking the rules does that shit well you Bullza, Biggrim, and Nikon23 all better be glad you all are not on my wiki or you all would be banned for life for being people who just thinking that because they are right then everyone else should leave them alone well news flash that isn't how it goes oh and if I have to I will talk to which ever Wikia staff member contacts me about the reason you reported me and let them know that you didn't go to an admin on here first you went straight to Wikia staff and I will explain that you refused to follow site policy (which is true) and I reported you to an admin for and the only reason you reported me is because I didn't trust your edit and I still don't and never will and I didn't, don't, and never will trust you.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:05,4/26/2015 

Also 10X the source he used for his edit clearly states that "Bandai plans to release Vegeta's Revival F costume for North America" which means that they haven't decided yet now I say that the costume can be added but for now just as part of the Japanese DLC Pack 3 since their is no official statement saying that it will be part of DLC Pack 3 for North America.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:13,4/26/2015 

He can read for himself and Wikia Staff can as well. They will be pouring through all your little messages. I do not need to "learn" anything. The only one who needs to learn anything around here is you: learn that not everything goes your way and people don't always back down when you try to intimidate them. Most, including myself, have noticed that your bark is bigger than your bite. Edit: Also, Wikia Staff will not penalize me for going passed the admins and straight to them. They are quite happy to help any user, especially in situations when the administration refuses to act on their behalf. It would be unwise of you to punish me for seeking their help. I imagine it would displease them greatly. Seeing as they rank above any admin, angering them would be inadvisable. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 07:17, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

The first thing wiki staff is going to ask is whether or not you came to the site admins first. Since you contacted them before you allowed me to respond, which I'm doing in under 24 hours, I would say no you have not tried to resolve it internally. Having a source is very good, but it does not automatically make an edit perfect. There are a huge number of reasons an edit might be a bad one other than vandalism. If someone undoes your edit, our policy is to use the article's talk page to resolve the issue which you have not. This is stated clearly on our Rules page. Please leave the page as it was before you made the disputed edit, just temporarily, and use the article talk page to discuss the issue. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:03, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

10X the article he used for the source has speculation in which means he was speculating right? Both of those are my reasons after I found that out.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:11,4/27/2015 

You and I are not the only ones who might have opinions on the issue. The edit should be discussed on the Xenoverse article talk page so that the entire community can collectively help sort things out. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:16, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Goku20 harrasment

Just a pattern I've noticed. Goku20 has a habit on going to other people's talkpages and insulting them and trying to intimidate them to follow him. Yet...I've noticed on his own talk page he has not ONE warning.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 20:03, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

He uses the rules against you... it's kind of weird. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:06, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
...except he isn't using the rules. He's blatantly trying to harass other users, and he's done it for a LONG time from what I can see without any punishment. If such behavior was done on Narutopedia, Goku20 would have gotten at least a warning. Yet here he's been able to, carte blanche, harass everyone he chooses to while saying he's using the rules.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 20:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
No, he uses the rules, but like a lawyer would. He reverts your edits for no reason and then accuses you of edit war. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:26, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
I haven't had a personal experience with him, just going by what I've read and saw on talkpages. I don't think you should be defending what he's doing, again on Narutopedia or another Wikia...his behavior is something that isn't allowed.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 20:35, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not defending him...(he gets on my nerves sometimes) but that's exactly what he does. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 20:40, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
Little piece of info I had my reasons which means I am not harassing anyone the source for one had speculation in it and for two didn't state what Ten Tailed Fox was saying it only stated that Bandai was planning on what he tried to say it stated. So with that being said Ten Tailed Fox broke the rules because he edit warred. Oh and Sandubadear I don't care if I get on your nerves. Also every time I have given a reason for undoing someone's edit the same shit happens and Sandub you can't say it doesn't because we both know it does, here is an example (I gave one user a reason and they still edit warred). Oh and SuperSaiyaMan I told your little buddy Ten Tailed Fox exactly why I removed it before I even read the article he used for the source and you can tell him the other reason and also he should have just asked me why I undone it instead of edit warring.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:22,4/27/2015 

Goku20 can be pretty aggressive and even pushy, and openly says when he doesn't like someone. However, these things are personality traits and are not against the rules. Personal attacks, like calling someone stupid, an idiot, shut up, go screw yourself, etc. would be against the rules. Openly disliking people is fine, as is forcing a talk page resolution over a disputed edit. If you believe Goku20 is breaking the rules as described on our rules page, please send me a link to the offending location and I will absolutely review it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:08, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

10X, SuperSaiyaMan also went to DarkSeeker with this I brought it to DarkSeeker's attention so now I am bring it to yours.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:55,4/27/2015 
These sorts of traits Goku20 is doing to users ARE a bad behavior. Its nearly making personal attacks. Intimidation, which Goku20 does, isn't allowable on ANY wiki, so why are you allowing Goku20 to keep this attitude? I wouldn't have a problem if Goku20 was not intimidating people, wasn't forcing them to go his way. He's never polite, he's always rude. Those aren't traits that should be encourage 10X.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 03:25, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
Maybe you and TenTailedFox should realize that I haven't been rude except if you call saying shit and damn in a message as being rude which it isn't. I don't intimidate anyone you need to realize that the rules like the one for not edit warring which your little buddy TenTailedFox didn't follow just because I didn't give him a damn reason the first time I undone his edit are here for a reason I don't like you or TenTailedFox I hate you both just like Nikon23, BigGrim, and Bullza because just like them you and TenTailedFox are trying to make me out to be the bad guy how about this how about you keep your nose out of what is going on between me and TenTailedFox since you are clearly reporting me to 10X for TenTailedFox. I have no reason to be polite to someone who tried to intimated me before I done a damn thing to him. TenTailedFox threatened to go to Wikia staff if I undone his edit again when he was braking the not edit warring rule to try to get me to leave his edit alone well I proved to him and everyone else I am not intimated easily. I think it is time we make a new rule 10X and the rule is this that only the user who feels like the user is harassing them can only report the user. Because I haven't had a run in with SuperSaiyaMan and he is trying to get me blocked for trying to get his buddy to follow the rules. SuperSaiyaMan I see that you just like your little buddy and the other three I listed here all like to lie and just to clarify I am not name calling I am just pointing that out. I think you and TenTailedFox both need to go back to Naruto's Wikia because that is one place I will never be.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:45,4/27/2015 
You are a bad guy and every time you open your mouth, you prove it. Thank you, fellow Tenny (x10) for being more of a civil person in this matter. I do apologize for all the trouble this has caused. Perhaps if Goku10 was more friendly and less of an ass to people, things would not have blown up the way they did. I do want you to investigate his behavior, though. Regardless of whether it is a personality trait or not, he is way out of hand in his treatment of other people. This is why I have reported him to Staff and I do not take back such a report. I will continue to pursue it until either this wiki or the Staff themselves take care of his behavior. You can find all of the relevant discussions either on your talk page or mine: I did so, so that he could not remove such messages from his own talk page, like he did to LastationLover.
And now, Goku10, I speak directly to you. You make dislike me all you wish. Your behavior is poor and I think just about everyone who has chimed in, including 10x and Sandu, have agreed to that much. I will not go back. In fact, I have every intention of staying here and becoming an editor that aims to improve the quality of this wiki, just like everyone else. You see, you don't intimidate me. You make false accusations (calling anyone a liar) and you name call and you like to cuss to make yourself feel superior, but mark my words: whether it is the admins here, or Staff, you will pay for your actions dearly. There is a saying from one of my favorite fictional series: "There's always a bigger fish." That's true of wikis too. Well, you just met the bigger fish. For the time being, you are forbidden to communicate with me on my talk page any further. I am placing that warning here so that both 10x and anyone else can see it. If you do, I will report you again for harassment, so please don't force my hand a second time.
10x, I apologize again for cluttering your talk page with this unseemly mess. I pray I am able to prove, to at least you, that my intentions towards this wiki are nothing but pure and that I will become a valuable asset to this wiki in the future. To you, I bid a good evening. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 03:57, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for name calling because now you have broken the rule again I haven't harassed anyone. Oh and your edit was speculation which is against the rules because what you added had not been confirmed that it was going to happen and how about you and your little buddy SuperSaiyaMa come to and see what happens to you all. Also I don't give a damn what anyone thinks of my personality traits. You and SuperSaiyaMan are wrong in every way you edited warred and have now called me an ass which ass is allowed to be used here but not for calling someone that and your little buddy is in the wrong because he thinks just like you do that I am harassing someone when I am notifing them about a rule they broke which isn't harassment at all. I don't believe anything that comes out of your mouth because you have already proven that you will add something that is planed to happen but hasn't been confirmed yet. I am allowed to remove messages from my talk page after I have read them. I am out line with the way I treat people here get real if you would have asked me why I undone your damn edit I would've been nice and told, and you can look at other users who have asked me and I have told them nicely why here is the problem I see you didn't even think to ask why I undone your edit you just like Nikon23 went ahead and re-added your edit I can be the nice person you will ever meet or I can be your worst nightmare I have a job to do here and that is to make this site better and you adding that article as a reference for what you added and me undoing it was part of my job even though I hadn't read the article you used for a source till after and clearly me removing it was the right course of action since the article confirmed that Bandai hadn't confirmed that they was releasing Vegeta's costume from the upcoming movie as part of DLC Pack 3.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  04:08,4/27/2015 

Ultra... Pokemon? You mean the wiki where you're the only editor (not at all surprising, considering just how charming you are)? If other people aren't interested in your wiki, why would I care at all? So that you can ban me? Oh, you're so tough. And you're no one's nightmare, Goku. Just a joke. A sad joke, but a joke nonetheless. Do you see what I mean, now, 10x? What we all mean? This guy is a stain on your wiki, especially since you guys do nothing to reign him in. But that's all I have to say on this matter. I'll let you sort him out. I have better shit to do than worry about some pipsqueak with a big mouth. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 04:20, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
Ten Tailed Fox, what I see here is a user complaining that you are not following the rules, and then you calling him an ass, a joke, a sad joke, a pipsqueak, and a big mouth. You're talking as if you are a victim in getting an edit reverted, but you still refuse to follow the process of using article talk pages. If you ignore site rules, obviously you will have trouble getting anything done. Stop making personal attacks and instead make an attempt to use the correct process that works for this community. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:27, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
And what I see is an admin that wants to complain about my behavior when you have not one, not two, not three, but at least four users today complaining about Goku10's behavior and I guarantee you that they haven't been the only ones. I went to his Twitter and I can see him personally cussing out other users outside of the wiki for what they do on the wiki. That goes beyond just wiki harassment and into a legal aspect. Regardless, the Xenoverse issue is done. I refuse to edit the page any further since Goku10 seems to have free reign to revert whatever he wants without giving a proper edit summary. Like I said, if you refuse to deal with him, I'll find someone who will. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 04:34, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
Since you'll undoubtedly want proof, here we go: Goku20's harassment of users of this wiki goes beyond just the bullshit he posts on their talkpages — here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. I bet Wikia Staff would be very interested in the fact that his harassment goes beyond Wikia. We're about to find out because I am forwarding this to them as well now. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 04:42, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea why you think swearing on Twitter is a legal issue, but feel free to see our stance on legal threats on the Rules page. The short version is that we can't stop you from taking legal action, and I encourage you to take action if you feel you should, but we do disable your account so the matter is not exacerbated while you pursue such action. Why are you purposely writing Goku20's username as Goku10? Are you unable to speak to the facts of an issue, in this case a disagreement with another user, without resorting to passive aggressively attacking him? Calling him Goku10 paints you as an aggressor, not a victim or a good Samaritan. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:43, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

That was my mistake. I saw his username written as Goku10 and it wasn't until I wrote that last message that I noticed Goku20 in his signature. He will be getting reported to Staff though and any necessary authorities. This breaks Wikia's Terms of Use (oh yes, especially since he is going after users outside of Wikia for their Wikia behaviors) and it falls on sysops to deal with users who break them. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 04:45, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Clearly you don't realize that the admins here can't do anything to me for shit I have done on twitter and Sandubadear wasn't really complaining about my behavior he was informing your friend of what I do and that it gets on his nerves at time but it isn't a problem and the edit summary ordeal I don't have to provide one unless the rules change. I have given you reasons why I undone your edit and also in a way you have the same rights as me except neither of us or any other user has the right to remove anyone else's messages from someone's talk page. So with all that being said I am not afraid of you because clearly you like to threaten people and that is intimidating/harassing behavior. The only user's who have a problem with how I get stuff done are the ones who I report or their friends or family sorry but I am not changing for anyone I am who I am because I see the real world for what it is a lie and I step on anyone's toes to do what needs to be done then so be it. Also I didn't go after that user that person came after me so you are wrong once again.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  04:47,4/27/2015 

I have no authority on Twitter, and will not block someone for what they do there. The only thing similar is we once took issue with a group of users here who systematically vandalized another wiki. That wiki asked for an allied front, which we agreed to and took action against those users here. Twitter is not even the same company and their policies don't apply here. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:54, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
I read Goku20's comments on Twitter and I'm disturbed as to why you (Goku20) feel you need to say things like that anywhere, ever. However, as I've said before I have no control over Twitter. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:56, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
You do have control here though. You see how he behaves, what he says to others, and what he admits on your own talk page. I'm not saying your policies are wrong. Your rules are your rules. I get that. What I don't get, is just what Sandu pointed out — he is known for reverting edits just to get users to try to put back up their content so that he accuse them of rule breaking. Then he goes on tirades, insulting them, blaming them, screaming at them (he's not talking in caps, but you get my point), makes them angry, then complains about rule breaking again. You've seen how ugly he can be to others (Twitter may be an outside site, but Wikia Staff will still act on him since there are other users being targeted by his harassing personality). But what you don't get is that no one is going to respond pleasantly to someone who acts like Goku20. Like you, I am an admin on quite a few respectable wikis. Narutopedia, Bleach Fan Fiction, etc., and anyone there will tell you that I'm a pretty decent guy until someone gets in my face for no reason. Then I go from zero to the Devil in about 10 seconds. You really expect new users, or anyone for that matter, to respond positively to rules, warnings, or anything else when someone like Goku20 acts the way he does to them and then no one in the administration is willing to help? I think you need to seriously reevaluate your stance on this issue. This is more than just the damn Xenoverse article. Yes, I cited the source, who themselves cite Bandai as their source. Yes, it upsets me that he can just willy nilly remove content as he pleases and then cry rule breaking when I'm only trying to restore the edit I made. But the real problem here? Its him. He would've been banned anywhere else for the same behavior. Do not ask others to be tolerant of his behavior because no one will find it tolerable. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 05:06, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
I would like to note that if had been you who came to me about the Xenoverse article, with the way you handle yourself, you would've gotten a polite response, maybe an apology, and there would literally be none of this. You're polite in your responses and fairly level headed. People are naturally going to respond well to that. Now contrast that to Goku20 and see if you can't see the issue here. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 05:10, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

I try my best to interpret and enforce the policies. The policies themselves are agreed upon by a community consensus. What I'm hearing is that Goku20 has a temper, and does things on other sites that would not be acceptable here, neither of which are against any policy here as written. I'd be uncomfortable imposing any degree of my own opinion beyond the Rules framework. I know it's a pain, but I'd suggest that if you want me as an admin to take action, you should start a discussion on the Rules talk page and propose exactly what kind of policy change you want. Wording will be tough, but if you're a Narutopedia admin then I assume you're used to that. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:10, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

QuakingStar tried deleting a message of mine....

From a talk page and still hasn't owned up to it: --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 23:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

I did no such thing. I don't know why you insist on trying to get me banned everywhere, something is seriously wrong with you kid. QuakingStar (talk) 01:53, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

QuakingStar, that edit link is solid evidence that you deleted a message and wrote a new one. However, it seems like it was probably accidental. If you have the editing page open for 20-30 minutes, the timing would have overlapped with SuperSaiyaMan's message, creating an edit conflict. You get a message when this occurs, and if you pick "yes" it deletes the edits made while you had the page open. If you think this might have happened, it's no big deal, but please be more careful in the future if you get a warning about "edit conflict" when attempting to save an edit on any page. SuperSaiyaMan, why don't you just add your message again, and let me know if this becomes a pattern. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:14, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

I did add my message again, though 10X Kamehameha, that was 30 minutes after I went to bed (It was 4:21 AM my time there) when QuakingStar did his post which deleted my original message. He deleted my message, from what it seems to be completely intentional.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 03:18, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

Now that you mention it, that is exactly what happened.. I wondered what that was. Now I know.. WindStar over at Naruto Wikia got quite perturbed over that, I didn't even know how it happened then lol.. well now I know. QuakingStar (talk) 02:17, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

SuperSaiyaMan, I know it's annoying, but have some faith that this was just a mistake. Like I said before, if it becomes a pattern then we can chat again, but I don't see a reason to fault QuakingStar for what seems like an honest accident. It's just part of the learning curve on a wiki, and it's a rare occurrence that it happens even once. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:30, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
He won't Saiyaman hate me. I literally had no idea what he was talking about, only when you explained what it was did I realize what had happened(which also happened to WindStar over at the NarutoWikia and he didn't like that either) he thinks I hate him, when in all honesty I couldn't care less if he disappeared off of the internet tomorrow. He always talks about me to others behind my back, through the instant chat system on Naruto Wikia(people have told me things Saiyaman, I could report you but I'll let it slide) and he even attempted to talk about me to Ten Tailed Fox here. Not realizing I go here too. I don't understand what Saiyamans deal is honestly. QuakingStar (talk) 06:37, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
Let it go QuakingStar. It just seems like an honest mistake now. Can you stop making threats and stuff too, lets just move on and everything. --SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 18:40, April 27, 2015 (UTC)


Hey 10X I think you need to read the full ordeal on twiiter because I didn't go after that user he came after me.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  04:53,4/27/2015 

I'm not planning on taking any actions based on Twitter. I'm concerned about what happens on this wiki, and to a lesser extent on all Wikia sites. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:57, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
Ok and I notified A Wikia staff member about the user coming after me on Twitter just in case he did actually tell them.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  05:06,4/27/2015 

Custom signature help?

I hope this isn't much of a bother 10x, but could you point me in the right direction of how to make one of the custom signatures? If you can't or don't want to, I perfectly understand and it's fine, just figured I'd ask ^~^' Total Mastermind (talk) 14:29, April 27, 2015 (UTC)

It would be my pleasure! Do me a favor and try it yourself first; I made some basic instructions which are linked at the top of this very page : ) -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:04, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! I'll do that ^-^ Total Mastermind (talk) 23:49, April 27, 2015 (UTC)
Uh..Problem. I get this signature --> {{SUBST:User:Total_Mastermind/sig2}} (talk) 05:20, April 28, 2015 (UTC) ;;
I believe you made an error on step 4, try that step again. Everything else looks correct. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:40, April 28, 2015 (UTC)


Plz fix the redirect Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:27, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

and plz halp on what should we do here Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:53, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:50, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

You forgot to move the episode. Move Goku's Assasin back to Goku's Assassin.

Also, will you add Dragon Ball Super to the Manual of Style and your blog? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:09, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, done. Honestly, I have no idea where DBS will fall. If I had to guess, I would put it with the rest of the anime since the creation process sounds identical to GT, but all we have is a single press release and virtually zero info on the plot. I hate to guess in an article and especially on a policy, so I'd rather hold off on anything official. We've already got 3 new users keeping us busy on Talk:Dragon Ball Super by asking to take GT out of articles, one of whom has started a new wiki over the ordeal. You'd think one would at least wait until the media is released to give up on the possibility of compatibility with GT, especially when the press release makes it sound compatible. 15 year gap leaves some room for other things to happen, amiright? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:37, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Lots of work to do now...

With the confirmation of a new canon series, loads of articles here will need to be revamped to reflect that. Dragon Ball GT information should be put under a 'Non-canon' section in each article, while the two movies and Dragon Ball Super should be put within the 'canon' area of the characters biographies. What do you think?--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 21:12, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely not. The press statement from Toei mentions DBS occurring after DBZ, which gives a solid 10 years of action before they run into GT. The press statement also says that the release of the anime follows the movies, which definitely means real life releases, and only might mean fictional events. Obviously, if we get see Beerus show up in a trailer that changes things, but I'd rather wait a couple months for the anime to come out that redo the whole site based on our guess. My prediction is that they won't make any comments any GT conflicts ever, and it'll just turn into a mishmosh of fans arguing about whether or not there are too many contradictions between DBS and GT to claim for sure one doesn't happen after the other. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:55, April 28, 2015 (UTC)
Beerus already is a canonical character. Toriyama said that both Battle of the Gods and Revival of F are canon to his manga, continuations. Toriyama is also listed as a writer of Super, and there are characters and settings that never once appeared in GT. Not to mention GT used the whole Tuffle arc, an anime only creation that never existed in the canonical manga which, going by your OWN manual of style, says is the highest source.--SuperSaiyaMan (talk) 23:57, April 28, 2015 (UTC)

Wrong, Toriyama did not say those movies are canon to his manga. In fact, Toriyama has never uttered the word canon, it is only used by fans. Toriyama is listed as the author of GT as well. All we know about the setting and characters of DBS is that Goku is there, a new villain might be there, and it takes place after the Buu sagas (leaving a 10 year gap before it runs into GT). Agreed, the manga is the highest source. Not movies, not planned anime projects. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:05, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

By the way, I'd deeply appreciate if you keep your proposal to the relevant article talk page. Otherwise we're discussing the same thing in two places and it's redundant effort. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:07, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
Once again, you were the wrong one. From Kaizenshuu: "The story for Revival of “F”, which opened nationwide in Japan 18 April 2015 in 2D and IMAX 3D, was crafted by original manga author Akira Toriyama, who stated he wrote it, “…as though it were a continuation of the manga when it was in serialization,” and that while it would, “…of course be a continuation of the previous Battle of Gods,” he has also, “…deliberately increased the amount of action scenes by a good deal.”" --- from the front page, about midway down. Thank god my wiki is on the scene to fix your lot's mess. You guys have so many fallacies in the articles on this wiki, it is simply staggering that anyone considers you all to be a trustworthy source. ~~TenTailedFox <talk> 18:38, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
u w0t m8? Where's this super "trustworthy" wiki you're talking about? That last bit about you "fixing" our mess and crap was pretty uncalled for, man. Heart?..


Can you fix the cite error I made since you wanted reference tags and I used the ones you used on the talk page. Also I left those out in my first edit that way you or someone else who knew what they was doing when it came to reference tags could do them since you or whoever put them wouldn't screw up like I did.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  04:02,4/29/2015 

Done. You had it almost perfect. I made a few quick changes to make it so you only write out the whole source the first time it's used, then the other times it's referenced are shortcuts. I also added the reference list at the bottom of the page. Using the shortcuts means each reference only shows up once in the reference list, which is exactly what we want. Take a look at the edit if you want to be able to do that sort of thing in the future. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:19, April 29, 2015 (UTC)
Ok will do and thank you.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  04:22,4/29/2015 

Long time, no see!

Heyo man, hope things have been okay for you! Looking forward to Dragon Ball Super? I'm pretty stoked, although it could go in either way, haha. I'm glad you're still here, trucking along. I'd honestly kinda forgot about this place, you know, life and all. Anyways, I hope life's been treating you well, and take care! 

MrBuuAngry(BoG) Dinky TaoTheAssassin Talk Vlcs2010-05-25-13h35m05s40 23:27, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Nice to see you too : ) Yup, still here haha. I don't know what to expect from this new series but I usually like all new anime shows and I love DB! What could be bad? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:19, April 30, 2015 (UTC)


Plz rename Game Boy Bomb as "Present For You", since that's the actual name of the move in some games, such as the Budokai series. It has the same name, but is used differently in Xenoverse, so RaphBlade mistakenly made a different page for it. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:00, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 07:05, May 1, 2015 (UTC)


10X, can you plz go here and vote for "Dragon Ball Wiki Brasil"? It's the wiki I'm an admin at. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:30, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 14:22, May 2, 2015 (UTC)


I'm sorry to bother you 10X Kamehameha, but I would really like to E-mail you a private question. Could you post it here (provided it's not personal) so that I may do so? Or, if you can see mine that I used to sign up with, could you send me an E-mail so that I may reply to you there? Thanks.12tempry (talk) 21:00, May 2, 2015 (UTC)

You should see an option on this page called "email this user". Click that then fill out the message, and I'll get the email and be able to reply back to your email. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:24, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
The Special:EmailUser feature was disabled by Wikia Staff ages ago. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 21:28, May 4, 2015 (UTC)

Well that stinks. 12tempry, if you're not comfortable posting your email here, I'd suggest either: making a new one that you are comfortable posting, post what you want to here if it's not too sensitive, or message me on another (more obscure) wiki that others won't notice. I'll get a message if you leave me a message on my talk page on any wiki, even ones I've never used. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 21:32, May 4, 2015 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for the message!  My band wrote an album dedicated to Android 17, I'm trying to figure out how to get it on 17's wiki page without seeming intrusive.  We're very big 17 fans just trying to share the love.  If I step out of line, please let me know.


JasinElric (talk) 03:28, May 5, 2015 (UTC)JasinElric

Hi JasinElric. This is absolutely appropriate for the site, specifically our page about how Dragon Ball has influenced popular culture. You can edit that article yourself, or you can write the info here and I'll do it for you. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:33, May 6, 2015 (UTC)


wat do Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:18, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Looks like Neffyarious is looking into it. I'd suggest letting him continue to look into it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:51, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
Ok. I sent a message in the Kanzenshuu forum. If the admin there says it's a fan term, I'll remove it again. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:08, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

You should definitely not edit war, this can be resolved with a discussion. I added my input, and I agree the term "super evolution" was not meant as the name of the form. It looks like a colloquial message to the reader, and the name of the form given there is "Final Form". -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 14:09, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Jasin again

Thanks for all your help, and thank you very much for having us! JasinElric (talk) 03:18, May 6, 2015 (UTC)JasinElric

Our pleasure. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 14:12, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

page is weird

What's wrong with this page? It doesn't even show the "edit/history" buttons. See if you can delete it. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 04:00, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Here's the history It's probably from an old redirect to one of those quiz webpages they had to advertise something or whatever, like on the Skyrim wiki. That or this page bricked it. — A (tc) 05:00, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Yep, I believe it was an old request direct from wikia staff. They probably stopped supporting it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 17:25, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

spice boys

sorry i didn't know how to do it before but i can now Don't worry (Spice boys (talk) 22:01, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

Perfect, nice job. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:36, May 11, 2015 (UTC)


I left you a message on another wikia, but I guess you didn't get it. Would you be able to E-mail me at, and I'll reply with my question there? Thanks.12tempry (talk) 10:25, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

Weird, usually a notification appears. Sure, I'll email you right now. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:36, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

CSS flag

Interwiki flag


10X, can you please add another code for me? It's a code I found on the Catalan Dragon Ball Wiki and I thought it's really cool, so I added in my wiki and I think you should add it here too. It makes little flags of the interwiki country show up in the language selection.

The coding goes here: MediaWiki:Wikia.css


.WikiaArticleInterlang a[href^='http://bg.']:before {content:url('');}
.WikiaArticleInterlang a[href^='http://ca.']:before {content:url('');}
.WikiaArticleInterlang a[href^='http://cs.']:before {content:url('');}
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Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:19, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Done, cool find. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:41, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

Spice boys

thanks (Spice boys (talk) 10:22, May 11, 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Ask me if you need anything else, and I'll be happy to help. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 07:00, May 12, 2015 (UTC)


E-mail sent, though it might be in your junk mail. Thanks.12tempry (talk) 00:47, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Got it, reading it now. Not sent to my junk mail. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 07:00, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Fix plz!!!!!11

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fix plz

I told you to fix this like, one or two years ago, and you still didnt!!!!!!!!!1 (The Nightmare Recoome! Come Out and Play, Vegeta!) Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 19:14, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

What's the problem? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 23:23, May 12, 2015 (UTC)

Should have a small "DBKAI" logo after "Series", like there's a "DBZ" logo after 'Series' in this pic. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 00:56, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:36, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

luv u

Hey, 10X! Haven't seen you for a while! Just wanted to drop by and say that I love you.

Final ChidoriTalkContribs

Thankssssss. Nice to see you! -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:38, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
Likewise, bb.


This guy is inciting acts of terrorism by telling people to join the Isis. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 18:34, May 16, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I left him a warning. That was unbelievably racist. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:57, May 17, 2015 (UTC)


Hi there! I’m Andrew, one of the community managers at Wikia. If you don’t know me, here’s my CC profile. I like baseball, laying on the beach with no plans or goals for the day, and climbing things.

We have a new beta project out, and since it's going to be critical to Wikia's future, we're asking for your help.

We want to partner with your community (and a couple others) and collaborate on a redesign of your existing infoboxes. It’s not a small task, but it’s one that we think we can get done relatively quickly and efficiently. Our engineers - both here in San Francisco and in Poland - will get hands-on with your community and work with your team to redesign the infoboxes.

You can read more here in the forum (and head to the sandbox to give it a whirl), but the tl:dr version: our current infobox structure translates very poorly to mobile experiences, and mobile is where Wikia’s growth lies. We came up with a solution that will take a bit of effort, but will pay significant dividends in the near future. What we're hoping is that we can use this community to test out its strengths and limitations while we get it from “beta” to “full feature”.

What you get out of the deal:

  • Wikia engineers who will work directly with your community to update the code that underpins your infoboxes
  • Access to staff for feedback, and our promise that your ideas will be taken seriously
  • A head-start on this change and therefore a significant upgrade in your community’s visibility

What we get out of the deal:

  • Several fresh sets of eyes that can help us understand how this will be used by the average Wikian
  • A test community that will let us track how the new infobox structure is used by visitors and viewers
  • The opportunity to share this initiative’s successes (and failures, I’m sure!) with the wider Wikia community and show them that it’s a smart plan for our shared mobile future

Please talk this over with your admin team and let me know. I’m happy to answer any and all questions about this - please use my wall or just keep the conversation going here.

Ducksoup (talk) 01:57, May 20, 2015 (UTC)

Is there any visible difference to the infobox? Can the infobox be changed to the new format by altering the infobox template alone, or will every page using the template (we have thousands of these) need alterations too? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:03, May 20, 2015 (UTC)
HI 10X_Kamehameha. The new layout automatically generates default view, so there is a difference in the view. However, you can change the looks using CSS as usual. The changes has to be made only to a template page, no need for article work.
Here is an example of a default rendering of the infobox: User:Shareif/infobox
Shareif (talk) 09:16, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Looks really really reaa~~lly plain. I like the current way better. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 18:39, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sandubadear. Thanks for feedback. Do you mean how the template looks in the article or how the code looks like? The example article uses default, unstyled infobox. All the CSS magic can be applied to it later. Shareif (talk) 21:19, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I mean how it looks in the article. If we can add the CSS later so it looks equal, I'm ok with it. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 21:41, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
If we (or preferably, your engineers) can use CSS to make the infobox look the same on the desktop view as it does now, then is the only change in the mobile view? If yes, then I would see no problem at all. What is the change you are aiming to achieve in the mobile view? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:17, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
Hey 10X! Here is my post on CC. To be blunt (and to answer your question): right now, our mobile view is a kind of "hacky" repurposing of our desktop view. We do our best to strip out extraneous code and deliver a mobile view that's passable. If we instead had the opportunity to take the infobox information itself - presented cleanly, without any need to have hacky solutions about how to present it on mobile - then we can design a really excellent mobile experience that can be displayed anywhere.
As my distinguished colleague Shareif likes to say, we want to be able to deliver a high-quality Wikia experience on a washing machine, if washing machines become the New Hot Device for media consumption. This new markup will allow us to do that.
Would you mind if we started doing a little bit of work in the next couple days? Ducksoup (talk) 02:36, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
If the mobile version is bad, then by all means do what you want to improve it. I understand the need for mobile support and I'll help however I can. The biggest risk I can see is corruption of the infobox appearance for desktop applications, so please try and maintain it as you progress, including engineer CSS support if needed. With that in mind, please start whenever you like. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:27, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
Hey! Alright, you have my promise that we'll be gentle-yet-bold. We'll keep an eye on any "breakage", and you can pop in anytime with objections or suggestions - we're very good listeners. My talk page is also yours to edit whenever you have something to say.
Thank you, Kamehameha! Ducksoup (talk) 05:56, May 28, 2015 (UTC)
Hi guys!

I've applied some CSS to make the new infobox look simmilar to the existing infoboxes. I've tried to apply your colors and styles to the new layout and keep some if it's look. Please take a look at this page and let me know what do you think: User:Shareif/infobox. Shareif (talk) 16:06, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

BTW: Piccolo is my favourite character of the saga. So, badass. —This unsigned comment was made by Shareif (talkcontribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Thank Shareif, that revision looks just like our current desktop version, great job! I noticed on the mobile version of your revision, the "appears in" logos are much too big. Do you think you can downsize them back to how they appear in the current mobile version? Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:49, May 29, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, the oversized icons is a bug in our mobile skin. Thanks for sharing! We are on it.
I've replaced character and manga issue infoboxs' with the new layout. Will continute with more after we fix the icons bug. Shareif (talk) 13:10, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Looks like the uppermost name in the infobox on the desktop version is now black font on dark navy background. Can you set the font to white to create contrast with dark background? Thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:16, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Inclusion of the new infobox is also completely blanking the desktop version of the Goku page. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:18, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for letting us know! I've filed a high-priority ticket for the engineers to fix the blankin issue. The font should be white, please refresh your browser cache and if the problem persists please share your browser type. Thanks again for helping us make this feature great! Shareif (talk) 13:18, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

The font is white using Wikia skin, but black using MonoBook. It would be nice if the MonoBook skin continued to be supported. I know it's still my personal preference since it takes advance of the entire screen width. It has always bugged me that the Wikia skin fills huge left and right margins with background wallpaper. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:59, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

I've done some troubleshooting on the Goku page issue. The new infobox desktop version is not compatible with the large number of gallery images in the Goku article. I was able to turn the problem on and off by adding and removing copies of the same image in a gallery, so I am fairly confident this is tied to the root cause. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:16, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
As my colleague below pointed out, the Gohan article has also been blanked by the new template. I recommend you revert to the old template until the problem is resolved. There's a brand new Dragon Ball anime series coming out in 1 month and the main characters have blank articles. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:23, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for doing all the detective work!. I've fixed the header color and I'll revert the character infobox untill fix the blanking issue. Shareif (talk) 12:43, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
Hi! We have fixed the blankin and huge icons on mobile issues. I've brought back the new infobox template on the character page! Thanks for the support. Shareif (talk) 11:44, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
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I don't know if you can see in the screenshot, but some letters go beyond the limits of the infobox. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 16:59, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the report. It looks fine in my browser (Chrome) on both Oasis nad Monobook. What browser are you using? Shareif (talk) 17:24, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
Firefox in an Ubuntu OS. I'll later check if this also happens on Firefox on a Windows. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:52, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, that didn't happen on windows. Never mind it then. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 22:15, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, I found yet another issue. The references don't appear in the infobox. See here, for an example. There's a reference tag inside the infobox but they don't appear visually in the article. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 23:29, June 11, 2015 (UTC)
Other problem: In some pages the picture becomes really big, like the page Super Saiyan God. I tried making the picture smaller adding |160px but it was still the same size. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 00:30, June 15, 2015 (UTC)


I have a question if I could bother you for a second. Did Whis state in the new DBZ movie that Beerus using all of his power could destroy a galaxy? I ask for clarification.

Micah007123 (talk) 19:41, May 21, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this is apparently stated in Resurrection F. I have not seen the film yet myself though. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:03, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry

Are admins the only guys able to renamed pages? I was playing with edit buttons and accidentaly renamed a page something inappropriate (I quickly fixed it). Sorry. Am I in trouble? I truly thought it wouldn't let me do it and here it did. SuperSaiyanGuy (talk) 19:26, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Also since I fixed the page it should have went away, but the title is still there, it says I'm "redirected from",and I can't figure it out, could you fix it pretty pleas? I'm very sorry about all this, really. SuperSaiyanGuy (talk) 19:43, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Sandbear found the page and asked for it to be deleted on it. Again I'm very sorry. SuperSaiyanGuy (talk) 19:54, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I deleted it. Anyone can rename a page, but only admins can delete pages—even redirects. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 22:52, May 29, 2015 (UTC)


Help we have a problem on Goku's page can you fix it.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:50,5/30/2015 

Maybe it's the new infobox? The other pages are ok but who knows Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 00:59, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
HiiiiiiiA (tc) 01:07, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
Ok but why it only blanked Goku's page but not the other ones? Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:09, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

I asked the engineers in the topic a few above this one. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:21, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Undo his edits in the infobox page until he fixes it. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:24, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
I think that would be counterproductive. The engineers have been very responsive and there's no reason to think this problem will be left unsolved for long. If it stays broken for days, we'll revert. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:26, May 30, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, but I think it's bad to have the biggest page (Goku) all blanked out. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:29, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Agreed. Let's say this time tomorrow before we start undoing anything. Standing in the way of progress (by the company that owns the product you're using for free) is not a good thing to do casually. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:37, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Just to note, it's not just Goku. Gohan's page is blank too.--Neffyarious (talk) 08:11, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Go for it

Just rename Planet Trade Organization to Galactic Frieza Army. It's locked and I can't. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 01:34, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Done. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:36, May 30, 2015 (UTC)

Naming scheme

Are you sure we should rank databooks as above video games? I had a look over some things and this would require a lot of name changes.

One example: Daizenshuu refers to the form Cell came back in after blowing himself up as "Revived Cell", while video games call it "Super Perfect Cell". So going by our canon hierarchy the name should instead be Revived Cell throughout the wiki, with Super Perfect Cell as an alternate name. A lot of our pages use the video game names, when there is a Daizenshuu name also in existance, this is incorrect going by our structure, but I wanted to ask you about it before changing anything.Neffyarious (talk) 12:09, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Naming scheme also says that we have to use FUNimation names over Japanese ones. Games translated by FUNimation call it Super Perfect, so...? which one has the highest priority, the japanese guide or the english game? I think we should use the most widespred name in English, while still noting all the other ones, but I don't know the exact rules. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 12:35, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
The naming scheme is separate from the canon hierarchy. Read those two sections and I think your questions will be answered. TLDR: the site already works the way you're both suggesting. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:39, May 31, 2015 (UTC)


Question is Dragon Ball Xenoverse canon?Micah007123 (talk) 22:51, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

This is a very complicated question, since there is no official Dragon Ball canon. Please see the Dragon Ball Wiki:Manual of Style for details on our stance. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:44, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
How does the Kanzenshuu acknowledge canon?</span>
I removed the comment that another user left here. He hates this wiki for some reason, and has been blocked here 3 times for making personal attacks. To answer your question, here are some quotes from Kanzenshuu regarding Toriyama's stance on canon:
  • "Toriyama has never even said the word "canon" in an interview. I don't even know how one would say it in Japanese."
  • "I love how all these stupid rumors are based on the idea that Toriyama has the exact same priorities and interests as fans. As if he's just going to rattle off fan jargon like it was second nature."
  • "He doesn't even recognize any part of anything as canon."
  • "At the end of the day does it even matter? I don't see many Star Wars fans complaining about whether the upcoming Disney sequels are canon not being made directly by George Lucas and all. In fact, I usually hear them go on about how they wish the prequel movies (the ones he actually did make) weren't canon instead."
  • "You're never going to see "canon" used officially, but considering the new film is heavily hyped as "overseen by Toriyama" and "a part of Dragon Ball's official history", there's a clear hierarchy where the original manga is given some amount of clout over just about anything else."
In other words, "canon" is a term that fans use, but no official Dragon Ball author or publisher has ever said the word. Unlike Star Wars and Sherlock Holmes, Dragon Ball has no official canon. Toriyama occasionally mentions certain media taking place in another universe, such as the movies. Ultimately, I suggest enjoying the game and not worrying about what other fans think about it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:09, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

He appears from god-knows-where and suddenly wants to change the whole Manual of Style. Of course, we shoo him and he creates his own wiki. If he stayed there, fine, but he keeps coming and making unnecessary attacks to how this wiki works.

In my opinion, the new Dragon Ball SSSS timeline is the clear "official" and definitive timeline, and even that timeline has some filler added into it, like Episode of Bardock, Garlic Jr, Goku and Piccolo taking car licenses, etc. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 02:17, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

Edit war

User:Meshack is edit warring on Piccolo. He started a section in the talk page asking if it was really need to put (Fused with Nail and Kami) in every fight after he fused with them both and User:Sandubadear said no, so Meshack removed (Fused with Nail and Kami) from the battle section on piccolo and I undone his edit and he re-added. In the edit summary part I said for him to wait till everyone weighs in ( at least everyone with a opinion on it) and when we remade the edit he said all he need was Sandubadear's opinion.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:33,6/2/2015 

He really started the talk page discussion, so you're the one who started the edit war Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 18:40, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

No because he edited the page after he made started the talk page discussion go look and I only undone his edit once and he made the same edit twice I have not edited again yet and won't. You are wrong Sand.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:43,6/2/2015 

Goku20, why did you undo the edit in the first place? You shouldn't undo an edit just because the talk page is being used; you should only undo things you actually disagree with. Neither your edit summary nor the talk page leads me to believe a single person is against that edit. I suggest just leaving it as Meshack left it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:16, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Your email

I have responded, dearest Tenny. Say, congrats on the big 25k, man. Dark Seeker Kotsu   06:14, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Holy cramoly, 25k?? I need a vacation haha. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:57, June 4, 2015 (UTC)


Heyo man. I know this is out of the blue, but I just wanted to say, thanks for giving me the opportunity to be an admin back in late 2011.  I know I resigned only after a few months, it was due to my busier schedule, and I felt I wasn't good enough for the position, but I just wanted to say, thanks for helping me out and such during that time, the experience has helped me quite a bit.  It's a shame we can't keep in contact regularly, but if you wish, you're always free to ask for my email and I'll gladly give it ya.  I hope you're doing well. Take care! MrBuuAngry(BoG) Dinky TaoTheAssassin Talk Vlcs2010-05-25-13h35m05s40 07:10, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

No problem, I'm glad you look back on your time here fondly. I've always felt that having any kind of responsibility is only a good fit if you truly enjoy doing it, and it sounds like you did. You're welcome back any time. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:05, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

I did enjoy my time as admin mostly, I quit because of confidence issues when I was 16, haha. By "welcome back", do you mean 'be an admin again'?  If so, I'd gladly join, but I would understand if you wanted this account to have more edits. I'd like to help as much as possible, I have several ideas for the "Did you know?" section of the main page, and in just general editing terms, I hope to buff up the manga portion of the site (as it's my best field in terms of knowledge, haven't seen the complete anime in a while). So if you need me, just give me a shout. If not, I'll just edit like usual.  MrBuuAngry(BoG) Dinky TaoTheAssassin Talk Vlcs2010-05-25-13h35m05s40 17:24, June 4, 2015 (UTC)

I'm a pretty literal person, so no I just meant welcome back haha. That said, I think you're on the right track with getting back to some editing if you'd like to be an admin again. Can you remind me what your old username was? -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:35, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, apologies, I didn't know, haha. I was Nappa'sgoatee/Super Saiyan Goatee originally, from 2011-2012. Don't worry about the admin thing, just know if you need someone else to help out, I'm willing to do it, soon as I'll have more time.  That being said, I wouldn't mind rollback rights to help out with articles. Thanks man! MrBuuAngry(BoG) Dinky TaoTheAssassin Talk Vlcs2010-05-25-13h35m05s40 05:46, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

A "Did you Know?" section on the main page doesn't sound all that bad. If 10X Kamehameha agrees with it of course. I'm assuming you mean like a "behind the scenes" facts and trivia with the franchise? Not "in-game" trivia if that makes sense. For example, "did you know Akira Toriyama has three cats..." stuff like that. Ripto (talk) 06:46, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

A "Did you know" section is already on the main page, but it's rarely updated. I used to update it monthly when I was an admin on my old account, with facts such as "Did you know Gero and 19 originally were the Androids who destroyed Future Trunks' future, before 17 and 18 took their place?", facts like that, stuff that's interesting, but not easy to find.  It was one of my favourite parts about being an admin, haha. MrBuuAngry(BoG) Dinky TaoTheAssassin Talk Vlcs2010-05-25-13h35m05s40 13:34, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Super Saiyan Goatee, of course! I was going through my logs, and I couldn't find where I made you an admin. That's because it was actually Nonoitall who promoted you. I'll give you rollback rights now. As for admin, please remind me in a month if you would still like to return to the position. I'll let you know ahead of time that I'll be especially interested in Kotsu's opinion, since I see he banned you from chat a few times. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 19:14, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Oh yeah, the chat bans were from my own request, because I didn't handle my time well and got distracted when I needed to study, haha. I know it's an odd tactic, but it did work, haha. It's a reason I deleted most of my social media for a long time, and a reason I quit initially as an admin.
You can message him first to get this from him too.  Thanks for the rollback, should make things a lot easier! MrBuuAngry(BoG) Dinky TaoTheAssassin Talk Vlcs2010-05-25-13h35m05s40 19:23, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Ah yeah it is. It's a little template lol. Those facts are cute and interesting. You think behind the scenes trivia could be usable too for them? And congrats on the rollback! :-D Ripto (talk) 23:21, June 5, 2015 (UTC)


Dbzejo (talk) 17:05, June 3, 2015 (UTC)  Im sorry but can you tell why are there all kinds of weird and unimportant movies in the Dragon Ball films section ? Like some kind of live shows(?) and some kyutais stuff and weird specials ? I think the main movies are important,live action movies even if they suck and specials/ovas.everything else is not needed...

I think I would understand your concern more clearly if you could tell me what you mean be "films section". Are you referring to a specific article? A template? A category? If you're not familiar with these Wiki terms, maybe you can post a screenshot to help us get aligned. As a general answer without knowing the specifics of your question, I can say that as a Wiki, we are an encyclopedic resource responsible for listing all types of media. Whether the media is weird, has poor critical reception, or is deemed somehow unworthy by some fans, all licensed media is covered on our site. I agree that the live action show was probably lower quality than the anime films, but the live action show is unique and deserved recognition in its own right. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:05, June 4, 2015 (UTC)
Dbzejo (talk) 11:58, June 4, 2015 (UTC) Yeah, i meant template (table) which shows all kinds of weird specials. But i guess it doesnt matter, at lest wikipedia got it right... lol   I mean, i know that this is a huge franchise and all, but do we need for example dbkai - super battle stage ?? and crossover with one piece, i thought that this is dragon ball wiki.and those kyutai panic thing,,,but it doesnt matter.At least the main page shows nicely 19 movies and bardock specials,trunks special,plan to eradicate the super saiyans (2 versions)  yo! special and heros legacy...
They're each in a separate section, for example stage plays are listed as stage plays, so no one should confuse them with animated films. You do make a good point though, that stage plays are not films. I'll start a topic: Template talk:Dragon Ball films. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 01:45, June 5, 2015 (UTC)
Dbzejo (talk) 11:00, June 6, 2015 (UTC) and also Dragon Ball Xenoverse (ova sections) and Gather Together Gokus world.those are more games than anything else.But in the end who cares,this is fan wiki and there should be things like that like those rare summer specials or whatever, world of dbz and public service videos.Plan to eradicate the ssj is ova.
Dbzejo (talk) 11:15, June 6, 2015 (UTC) To be honest, i think that template should contain theatrical movies,main specials and ovas and those other things should be mentioned on the main page, just like they are now.
Dbzejo (talk) 15:27, June 16, 2015 (UTC) I put back gokus world in the template beacause thats an interesting thing and its listed on kanzenshuu, But those two stage plays should be removed, thats just ridiculous.

Use the talk page for that template to talk about these things. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:39, June 17, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Email

Hey mate. I took a look at your email and responded to it. Lemme know if you got my response, comrade. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 07:16, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:53, June 5, 2015 (UTC)


Okay. Got an email like you asked. Should I tell you it across wiki? I assume that's the only way.Neffyarious (talk) 15:11, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

Yah, I don't know if there's a better way unfortunately. If you want to keep it a secret we could try and meet up in chat and PM it or something, but that's tricky to time. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:54, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

You can use HMA anonymous email to avoid giving out your personal email account. — A (tc) 19:12, June 5, 2015 (UTC)

I don't mind, it was made specifically for wiki after all, so it's not really a personal account. Here: (talk) 05:20, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Got it, thanks. I sent you a message. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 00:29, June 10, 2015 (UTC)
Ok, got it. I would have agreed with the decision anyway so it's fine.--Neffyarious (talk) 10:27, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

On another note...

There has been numerous forms of edit warring taking place of recent. I'm going to start passing out temp blocks for the first errors and repeatedly increase the blocks in the future if such behavior persists. Most notably is the interference of Sandubadear as this member persists in edit warring and re-inserting or altering the main quotes on the articles for which I have reverted. Hopefully, this behavior will stop as opposed to escalating to lengthy blocks although the member has been warned countless times. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 17:05, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

Not only was the above comment unnecessary, it was a direct example of what we are trying to avoid on this wiki. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 17:44, June 8, 2015 (UTC)
I moved that comment to its own topic. That new editor was upset that I undid an edit of his. I think blocks for first offenses is too harsh, since new editors may not know the rules yet. At least one warning on their talk page explaining that they did something wrong seems more appropriate before issuing a block if they do it again.. If we block people before they know the rules, they will probably just leave and we'll miss out on what could have been many outstanding editors. Sandubadear is not a new editor, and his actions are not a reflection of someone making a first error. Let's not punish new editors for Sandubadear's actions. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:34, June 8, 2015 (UTC)
Agreed. I was previously referring to Sandubadear as the primary source of this erroneous behavior. Regardless, I would obviously continue to warn before handing out temp-blocks. All I'm saying is that if a member continues to commit to such behavior and this persists even after their initial warning, then we'd have no choice to block them to avoid edit wars. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 22:55, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

Gotchya, totally agreed. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:19, June 9, 2015 (UTC)


The heat was fricken visible as flames in the Cell Saga. And time wise they would be unfused for atleast 11.5 hours, sure, buu is gonna be that patient. You're just being a dick, and I'm tired of it.—Preceding unsigned comment added by AkuunReach


The room has turned to ice.

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Buu waits patiently for the next attack.

Hello and welcome to the site. Before we continue the discussion, I'd as advise you to the read the rules section of the site. Personal attacks, like "You're just being a dick" are not allowed. We are all trying to make the site the best that it can be, and attacking people here is not constructive. As to the edit, they are not in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for very long, so it is unlikely they would experience all the temperature extremes during their short stay. However, the room does turn very cold and ices over, as in this image. Also, Buu is very patient at times. Here is an image of him waiting in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for the next attack to be launched against him. He has lied down, created a book to read, and is drinking a cocktail. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 18:34, June 8, 2015 (UTC)


How large is the DBZ Universe? Please tell me it doesn't just consist of 4 galaxies Micah007123 (talk) 21:52, June 8, 2015 (UTC)

Universe. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:21, June 9, 2015 (UTC)


The dude is still edit warring so plz halp Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 19:25, June 10, 2015 (UTC)

I reverted his Ginyu Force edits, because I don't think they were very good. As for the Frieza's Army edit, it's an interesting question. I suggest you use the article talk page and discuss. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:25, June 11, 2015 (UTC)

Insert Topic Here

How can I delete a page uploaded by me? If not liked by me....

Assassin Bolt (talk) 09:10, June 11, 2015 (UTC)Assassin_Bolt

Well, first off you have to start new sections for every new topic. I went ahead and did it for you, feel free to change the name or whatever.

And you can't delete a page unless you have admin powers, so next time just ask an admin to do it for you.

 Final ChidoriTalkContribs  

Final Chidori is correct, only admins can delete articles. There's simply too big a risk of some nihilistic vandal deleting every article for fun otherwise. However, you can use the {{delete|reason='type the reason for deletion here'}} template. Simply add that to the top of an article, and it will categorize the page as a candidate for deletion, which automatically adds it to the queue for admin review. I check the queue nearly every day and scrap the articles that editors like you have tagged for deletion. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:57, June 12, 2015 (UTC)


Hey 10X I re-reading part of the manga and came across something interesting in the manga Pan calls Vegeta Uncle Vegeta when she is talking to her Gramps about her fighting in the tournament is that something worth meantioning on her and Vegeta's pages.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:08,6/12/2015 

Yes, that's an interesting relationship dynamic. They're not really family, but they're sort of a Z Fighter extended family. Maybe put a short note about it in their personality sections. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:11, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure, all kids in Japan call middle-aged men "oji-san" which means "uncle", and I guess the manga just translated that. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:33, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
We can always add, "In the English manga..." -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:37, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
The point still stands, it's just a translation of the japanese "oji-san". Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:39, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
Is there another time in the manga (since I only have volume 3, 11, 25, and 26 the last two is in one) that a middle aged man is called that by a kid?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:44,6/12/2015 
Hm, I wouldn't know because I've never really read the manga nor even watched the japanese anime. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 03:51, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
Well from what I have read of the manga the only time a middle aged man is called Uncle is in 10 Years After so I think it is still worth mentioning.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:57,6/12/2015 

It wouldn't be the first time we've mentioned something that only exists in an English version (like General Blue's long lost brother). -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

By the way, the term "uncle" is often used in some cultures (like mine) to refer to a respected older man by children. Not sure if this changes anything, but I thought I'd throw it in. Tapion13 Shakuran13' Talk' 06:07, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Nikon on GT article

So your going to use a personal opinion of a actor on what's canon?! Nikon23 06:38, June 12, 2015 (UTC)

As a content creator, an official DB voice actor's opinion isn't nothing. It's not up there with Toriyama and Toei, but it means more than other fans' opinions, and it belongs on the page. Since you put it in trivia rather than removing it, I think we both agree with what I've said so far. As to putting it with the canon debate vs. putting it with trivia, a big part of this is to avoid attacks to our site. If we push that non-canon sentiment to trivia, someone is going to claim we have a pro-canon GT bias, and we put it in trivia to hide it. By putting the statement with the rest of the canon debate info, we are taking a very unbiased and transparent approach. That said, the quote is just another piece of the puzzle, and by no means a conclusion. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 02:33, June 13, 2015 (UTC)


Hi, I'm new, sorry for some format errors, but... you seem like the main admin here (or atleast the most active) and I was thinking... what's the opinion about canon Dragon Ball media here? I read some pages but it seems that the Wiki doesn't have a specific opinion since pretty much evereything about Dragon Ball is reported with no distinction. Almost every DB fan I know says that the manga, BOG, ROF and the new anime series are the only official canonical products. What about this Wiki?ABlackCat (talk) 07:02, June 13, 2015 (UTC)

Here is our official statement on canonicity. We try to just report things as we see them, rather than define what is canon and what is not; something like that is too subjective/contentious. Of course, 10X Kamehameha can correct me if I'm wrong. Tapion13 Shakuran13' Talk' 07:29, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
The thing is, Toriyama, Toei, nor any other producing company of Dragon Ball media has ever used the word "canon". Only fans apply that word to Dragon Ball series, never the creators. Anyone who claims to know Toriyama's stance on canon is lying to you, because he has never used the word. We use a canon-like hierarchy to help organize the articles. For instance, if events happen differently in the manga and the anime, we would prefer to state the manga version of the event. Or even better, we usually list both versions because our goal is to provide info; not to force any opinion on you, the reader. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:30, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Saiyan Durability

Beclauss (talk) 21:47, June 13, 2015 (UTC) Question, when saiyans (and other people for this matter) are off guard, how come they are vulnerable to attacks even by people weaker than them? Like if Goku were fighting Broly as a SSJ3, and lets say Nappa attacks him off guard, how come that is so? Is it because his defenses are down or something?

Is this in regards to Sorbet injuring Goku in Resurrection 'F' as a Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan? If so, I think that was the only time where "someone weaker" injured someone more powerful than them. Fighters can be caught of guard from attacks (Like Super Perfect Cell from Vegeta in his final Kamehamaha against Gohan), but as far as being vulnerable to attacks, I'm not so sure about. Sorry for the interruption, I'm just curious what circumstances where that may of happened. Ripto (talk) 01:33, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 01:39, June 14, 2015 (UTC) Yes, the circumstances I'm talking about are what happened in Resurrection F and Super Perfect Cell. Basically when a weaker character has the power to hurt or kill a stronger character off guard, I don't quite understand that.

Ahh okay. The Resurrection 'F' part with Goku and Sorbet I can understand. That's actually kind of a topic to debate, how it was able to "hurt" Goku. Since energy blasts from their devices are not all that powerful (as the only reason to need a energy gun, is because the user lacks handling their Ki), and how they have never injured a main character before (as the best they were shown to do, is burn through clothing and destroy a Namek ship). Some theories have claimed Frieza gave some of his "power" to Sorbet to use inside his weapon for a "Plan B", and thus, was able to cause damage. But that theory isn't all that supported/nor any real proof.
The second reason is (and more supported) is Goku let his guard down, and was "too comfortable" . This was pointed out by Whis in the movie, pointing out both Goku's and Vegeta's flaws when they were training. Goku needed to be "more serious" while fighting, and Vegeta needed to relax once in awhile. So it was more of a "lesson" for Goku. The short answer, Goku was not serious enough, and let his guard down when he "thought" he was in the clear and in full control of the situation. Logically, it wouldn't make sense, since Goku is thousands of times stronger than Sorbet, but I suppose when you're too relaxed and not on guard, even weak energy blasts can damage your body. Bodies do have limits, and that is a reasonable explanation.
For Super Perfect Cell, Vegeta did not really hurt him, or injure him. It was a distracting blast that got his attention, and allowed Gohan to take advantage of it. Kind of like arm wrestling somebody, and someone else is tickling you. It's just "diverting" their focus. Ripto (talk) 01:52, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
Battle Power is very "flexible" value. If Goku want it, he can reduce his power for being vulnerable even to some knife. But this can not happen by accident. So Sorbet case its just a movie mistake. And its not compared to Cell case - Cell distracting needed only to allow Gohan to unleash all of his inner power in one single blow without Cell preventing it. Gohan unleash more than enough power to destroy him in his most power, but if Cell do not distract on something, he just prevent this "eruption" from the beginning--Date450190486 06:58, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

But not in this case. Frieza specifically says that it's because Goku let his guard down due to becoming "too confident" that he had won. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 11:35, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

And that is the movie mistake. Latest movie have many other plotholes, so its not something specific--Date450190486 11:37, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

It is not a plothole. Goku let his guard down due to thinking that Frieza couldn't hit him anymore, but he wasn't aware Sorbet was still around. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 11:45, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

I would have answered exactly what Ripto said. Shortly before Frieza arrives, Whis makes a point to mention that Goku's weakness is letting his guard down. We see many examples of weaker characters gaining an advantage over stronger ones when a character lets their guard down. Aside from Whis demonstrating this point as he explains it to Goku, we have seen Yajirobe slice off Vegeta's tail, and Vegeta distract Cell with a blast letting Gohan's Kamehameha prevail in their final showdown. A character's natural toughness and aura might stop a bullet or a regular human from hurting them, but not a sneak attack from another trained warrior. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:37, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Beclauss (talk) 05:16, June 16, 2015 (UTC) So basically, when their guard is down, they are just as vulnerable as humans, but when they are preapred for s trike, it wouldn't hurt them is what you are saying right?

I wouldn't say they are as vulnerable as humans, as I noted thick skin or an aura can still stop normal human types of attacks. However, when their guard is down they are more vulnerable than they normally are. It's like the difference between someone punching you in the stomach while you clench your abs, versus them punching you in the stomach while you're sleeping. If you're prepared for the hit, it will hurt less or maybe not at all. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 05:25, June 16, 2015 (UTC)


Sandubadear says that Battle of Gods and Resurrection F is filler. which is not canon. Do you agree? Meshack (talk) 01:28, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

Meshack, how many times are you going to ask me about canon... I have told you the same answer several times. Toriyama, Toei, nor any other Dragon Ball media creator has ever used the word canon. Only fans use it for DB media. There is no official DB canon.
Filler is a separate matter, and refers to something very specific. When an anime is being created at the same time as a manga, sometimes the manga story goes slower than the anime, and the anime team runs out of manga source material. To stall for time while the manga chapters continue to be written, new anime material will be created for TV only. This anime material which "fills" the time while the manga catches up, and is therefore not based on manga material, is called filler. Filler can be anything from a conversation, to a stretched out fight scene, to a whole episode, or even a saga. Because films are not filling a weekly TV slot during a manga run, they are not filler. Likewise, TV specials, video games, and GT are all not filler either. The Garlic Jr. saga is a good example of filler in DBZ, buying 10 weeks of TV time after the Frieza saga ended for the manga to move ahead a few more chapters. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:53, June 15, 2015 (UTC)

A few issues

Hello, 10x. I'm going to cut straight to the point; two trolls have arrived today on our wiki, the project Ten and I are working on, and vandalised around 70+ articles (some repeating, of course) in the name of Dragon Ball Wiki. In fact, I thought it was this wiki at first, given Goku20s actions on our Coola page. I changed my mind when I saw that one of the trolls, User:SuperKamiNail, was also banned on this wiki. I figured he simply had an issue with Dragon Ball wikis in general, until he said he was sent from here. Coincidence, probably, I was sharing my thoughts with another admin at that time and he may have seen it. But then another vandal arrived, by the name of User:DB Wiki is best Wiki, and declared 'war'. He even left this nice little message on several of our articles in an attempt to provoke us:


We're merely trying to make a wiki, the same as anyone else, and yet a troll claiming to be sent by you lot declares war on us. I implore you to make a bit of investigation into this: if this user is from your wiki, and you know nothing about it, it's best you start weeding them out right now. If they are from your wiki, then you're going to have quite a bit of trouble on your hands, because we are reporting this vandalism incident to Wikia Staff. We're not trying to cause problems, 10x. We, as a Wiki, have never moved against you, even if Ten and I were rather opinionated as individuals. And yet these two, and probably more, I don't know, claim to be acting in your Wiki's stead. I sincerely hope this wasn't actually done at your request, or the request of any user from this wiki. We're all supposed to be a little more mature than that.--{{SUBST:User:LastationLover5000/sig}} 03:08, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

I'd never do anything like order vandalism, and I always encourage and try to improve other wikis I am aware of. I've only checked in on your wiki once or twice, but for the most part it's just another one of the many DB wikis floating around, and I just focus on this one. I'm not aware of anyone from this wiki attacking yours. Our social admin Kotsu would be more likely to have the inside scoop of what's going on in places like our chat, and that's a good place to ask around for info. I realize that note mentions me specifically by name, but again I assure you that I have no control over anything happening on your wiki, and messaging me like they wrote there is unlikely to stop their behavior. I suggest you block the vandals, utilizing a checkuser to block or range block IP's if needed. I'm confused as to why you would contact staff about users who are blocked on our site, since they obviously can't organize here; blocked users can't edit.
On a different note, I would like to point out that one of your founders, ten tailed fox, has very different sentiments than you about the relationship between our wikis, and with me in particular. The clearest and most ludicrous example of this was him or her blocking me on your wiki, despite the fact that I have never edited on your wiki. Surely I've broken no rules, but he fosters such personal hostility toward me that he's taken action anyway. Honestly, my best guess is that ten tailed fox created an account to vandalize your wiki and try to frame me for it. It certainly makes sense that he would do that mentioning me by name, then report it to staff. Why do I think that's probably the truth behind this? This collection of quotes from a message he left me on DB Fanon wiki tells the story of why ten tailed fox is not beyond framing me to try and get me in trouble:

"And just like that, you're finished... you're too ignorant and proud to see your own flaws...You can't get anything right...Well, here's a little greeting from no-count. Your done. Finished. Your wiki will fail if it is the last thing I do...I hope you enjoyed Dragon Ball Wiki's popularity. Because from this point forward, you guys have a serious threat on your hands...enjoy the fall."
— Ten Tailed Fox

I suggest you block your trolls, and calm down your extremely antagonist founder if he really has picked a fight with vandals. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 03:54, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for replying at the very least. Like I said, given how your user, Goku20, had come to vandalise our Coola page once before, this wiki was a primary suspect. It was a defensive assumption, in the wake of a previous vandal edit like a month or so ago. And yes, that's the confusing thing, isn't it? The person is blocked on your site as well — and looking at the recent edit of "Ultimate DB Wiki", he's professing a very different opinion here, on your talk page, than he is on our wiki.
And yes, I know quite well what Ten's sentiments of this wiki are. And yet there is not a chance in Hell he'd make a proxy account for the purpose of attacking our own Wiki, especially just for the purpose of framing you. All of us on that wiki, we're working hard, but he's worked harder than all of us. He's poured his heart into that wiki and there's no way he'd sabotage it, as easy a suggestion as it might be. I've known him for years; he's a better person than that. Besides, all of the users who we've blocked also suffer from IP blocks as well and yet Ten is editing fine. That quote doesn't prove that he'd be willing to frame you. He simply has enough faith in our wiki to boast about it that way; he believes our Wiki can succeed, even if these user's want it to fail. It was a harsh way to phrase it, but it was stated in anger anyway.
Suggesting we block them isn't helpful advice, 10x, as we've been handling the situation with blocks already. Regardless, thank you for your time.--{{SUBST:User:LastationLover5000/sig}} 04:06, June 16, 2015 (UTC)
Blocks are a very powerful tool, especially when combined with checkuser rights, IP blocks, range blocks, and an attentive staff of dedicated admins. No vandal can do any worse than a single harmful edit if you have those areas satisfied, and any edit can be undone. I'm hope I'm not being condescending, personally I don't know your level of experience, but every wiki I know of has some level of ongoing vandalism and trolls. Vandalism occurs in waves, building up but eventually dying back down. Hard to take your word that ten tailed fox is a good guy having been blocked by him without making any edits, but all the best in any case. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 04:12, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Brotip to you all: SuperKamiNail is SS7S. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 17:08, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

No mention of this anywhere on my end, but if Sandu is indeed right and SuperKamiNail is SS7S, then you guys are pretty much screwed. He is relentless at what he does and even though staff was contacted multiple times about him, they were seemingly unable to inflict any kind of a lasting block on him. Dark Seeker Kotsu   17:20, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

A somewhat personal request

Could you please unblock User:Ten Tailed Fox? At least temporarily? It would really help right now, and he really is a great guy, it's sad that a simple argument between you two led to wha