I really find intriguing the whole power concept and up to SSj3 it all made sense. However, when GK (Godly Ki) was introduced it all became confusing. Some say that Red Haired SSG Goku (let's call this RSSG) is as strong as Base form Goku using GK and SSGSS Goku is even Stronger than that. Alternatively, if RSSG brings out Beerus' 70% SSGSS brings out about 80% of Beerus' power (heard this in a QandA video of youtube made by user Qaaman's Land. But it doesn't make sense. Why? This might be long so bare with me:
In my opinion, RSSG is an unstable form of the pinacle of a Saiyan's strength using GK. When an unstable form is made stable then the real power is more apparent. Similar to SSj3. The more stable SSj3 form becomes the stronger the user seems. But SSG (Base Form Saiyan using GK) is "not that strong". Let's take Goku as an example.
Why SSG is not as strong as RSSG[]
When Goku fought as a RSSG he was so much stronger that SSj3. But as SSG against Frieza he wasn't. Why? As a SSj Goku overpowered Frieza in his real form in DBZ. Then in DBSuper he overpowers a stronger Frieza in his real form while Goku is a SSG. If we assume that Frieza is stronger than SSj Goku then SSG Goku is like Full power SSj. Hence, SSG Goku is not stronger than SSj2 Goku so he can't be as strong as RSSG. Another, indication is Beerus's indifference. Although, he realises that Goku is on his way to getting stronger, he is not yet hyped up as he was with Goku's RSSG form.
Reasoning for SSj < SSG < SSj2.
If we assume that:
- Goku in SSG is as strong as he was in the RSSG
- Frieza was just a little weaker that SSG Goku
then, what everyone is saying, is that Frieza in his real form (not Golden Frieza) is stronger that SSj3 Goku. So, from being weaker than SSj(1) in DBZ, Frieza surpassed by far SSj3 in 4 months without GK. Even for a genius this is unreal.
However, If we assume that in 4 months Frieza:
- went from "weaker than SSj" to "as strong as Full-power SSj"
- AND EVEN discovered a transformation that multiplies that power (for example) 55 times
then it makes sense, considering that in 6 years Goku went only from SSj to Full Power SSj.
So, based on that, DBSuper Frieza is about as strong as Full Powered SSj Goku. So, SSG Goku is similarly a bit stronger than that so weaker than SSj2.
Unless, I have missed something the above reasoning must be right.
How strong each Super Saiyan Form is[]
So from there, we get SSGSS. Respectively to a normal Super Saiyan Transformation, SSGSS multiplies SSG power 50x. To make it simple lets use a table with numbers.
| Base | SS | SS2 | SS3 | RSSG (?) | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Normal Ki | 1 | 50 | 100 | 400 | |
| God Ki | 80 | 4000 | 8000 | 32000 | ????? |
Explaining the table:
- to make it simple, Base form is 1.
- SSj is 50x the base so 50 and SSj2 is 100x the base so 100. Similarly, SSj3 is 400x the base so 400.
- SSG Goku was stronger than Frieza who was stronger than SSj Goku but weaker than SSj2. So SSG Goku is about let's say 80. Hence, SSGSS is 50x that so 4000. But Golden Frieza was stronger than that so lets say 4300.
- But still, Beerus showed no signes of interest which means that Goku is nowhere near RSSG yet.
- Going up on the Super Saiyan tranformations with GK and using the same math SSGSS2 would be 8000 and SSGSS3 32000.
- But considering that RSSG is an unstable form of the ultimate form (which will most likely be made stable and have a different design) then RSSG is sronger than (or the same as) SSGSS3.
If I thing of it like this it all makes sense to me. But, then a huge question comes.
If RSSG is the pinacle of a Saiyan's power with GK, which means that it will be more or less as strong as Goku's ultimate form, (assuming that it will not be SSGSS3) and SSGSS3 is 28000 (in this example) then how strong was RSSG and how strong the stable version of RSSG will be?
I hope this doesn't confuse everyone. Please let me know what you think and if I missed something.