In Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission 3 appears Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta with new transformation never seen before appears the Super Saiyajin 4 with red hair similar to Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, I don't know what is the name of the new transformation of Xeno Goku and Xeno Vegeta would be the Super Saiyan 4 God or Super Saiyan 5?
I desperately hope that this is Super saiyan 5. If it is, it canonizes (Kinda. GT is non-canon, but you get my point) a new form of transformation shown in GT and mentioned in the funimation dub. I mean, Bulm did say that Vegeat could get a power boost that would make him Super Saiyan 5 (dub only) and Gogeta was a substantial power boost. I REALLY hope it is.
It doesn't seem to be. SSGSS4 would be the same difference in power from SSGSS as SS4 is to SS. Basically SSGSS4 would be in a different dimension of power compared to any of the forms shown yet. Only Mastered Ultra Instinct would have a chance of matching it in power.
Maybe they will call it Super Saiyan 5 as an alt name. Considering 5 was only ever joked about by Bulma in GT. Between all of us I am going to call it Super Saiyan 4 Evolved or Super Saiyan 5. Either one works for me.
(I just caught up on the SDBH anime in anticipation for this)
I may simply call it Super Saiyan 4: Limit Break. (Kinda liked it better with that fan-name "Assault mode") But I don't think Gogeta's form will change. Gogeta will look the same and still use the same form. Gotenks had he ability to go SSJ3 when Goten and Trunks couldn't, but even if Goten and Trunks COULD go SSJ3, it would look no different when they fused into Gotenks. Gotenks' base power level would simply gtow stronger. The same will happen for Gogeta.
I guess this sort of proves who is stronger between Gogeta and Vegito. Gogeta and Vegito have both attained SSJ4, but only gogeta was strong enough to use the limit broken form, which would mean that Gogeta must be stronger.
Idk, Gogeta's aura doesn't match the new forms aura and his hair color is a different, lighter shade of red without the dark shading. I think his hair color will simply change to match the SS4 Limit Break forms hair color, so really it will just be a different red for Gogeta and a new aura.
I think the Silver Super Saiyan form we call UI uses not only God Ki but normal Ki too, it has the full limit break of both forms of Ki together. Coupled with it giving the user access to Ultra Instinct it makes it very strong.
What I think is that Ultra Instinct as we saw in Super might be a form. While I recognize that Ultra Instinct is actually a technique, Saiyans have a habit of taking things and making them Forms. For most, god-ki is a technique, however Saiyans get the hair change and it becomes Super Saiyan god. UI is just perfect god-ki and autonimous dodging based on instinct. The power and hair change might be something similar to an advanced form of Super Saiyan god which makes the instance an actual form, and means that MUI is the true next step of SSG as opposed to SSGSS which is trying to take a god form and make it more mortal. I think MUI is like adding Super Saiyan god to Super Saiyan god as opposed to Adding Super Saiyan to Super Saiyan god. Goku broke through his limits and achieved something greater. Highly concentrated god ki that shifts the hair from red to silver. It is actually a little known fact that the hotter a fire (SSG's aura is fire) burns, the lighter it gets.
A preview for the next episode was translated. Goku Xeno and Vegeta Xeno are given Xeno Trunks, Xeno Pan, CC Goku and CC Vegeta's energy(I am thinking it may be their God Ki that they give) and it forces Goku Xeno and Vegeta Xeno into this new form. I think this form may very well be SSGSS4 in actuality.
This knida makes sense if it is god-ki. The only other time that this form was seen was in GT SSJ4 Gogeta. And before Gogeta, Goku absorbed the power of 4 other Saiyans. It wasn't enough to reach SSG, but then, he merged with SSJ4 Vegeta and that made 5 Saiyans plus Goku which turned his hair red. If this is true, Toei might be hinting that the theory that Gogeta was a SSG was true, and if this is so, it makes Gogeta GT the earliest known Super saiyan god. While the aura and hair color may be a bit different, it would still make Gogeta then a Super Saiyan god, and that would go a long way to show some scaling in GT that might prove that Omega Shenron might have been DBS Broly+ level, making him stronger than even Beerus was, and could come close to saying that Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Goku was clearly SSB+ level in strength and close to SSB Kaioken X20 level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKd5kb9GIu4 Trunks used SSGod, Goku CC and Vegeta CC used SSGSS and Pan somehow used some type of SS power without going SS when they were all giving energy to Goku Xeno and Vegeta Xeno. I wonder if that will be depicted differently in the official chapter and official anime release.
The chapter was scanned(bad quality) and a few pages were put on the internet. Trunks is clearly using SSGod in the manga panel when giving energy. That's God Ki.
One thing that I did notice. GT Gogeta's aura was a bit different from the regular Super Saiyan aura. While it was yellow, it also was VERY sparkly. EXTREMELY sparkly. While this doesn't prove anyform of god-ki, it does show that there was something else going on in there.
Actually, if I may. That was not the same as the Super saiyan god ritual. While there were 6 Saiyans there, the ki transfer was going into TWO Saiyans, not just one, so if anything, Vegeta wouldn't in the ritual since he isn't giving any ki, but absorbing it instead. This is more like what they use to give Goku Super Full Power Saiyan 4. And from my extensive studies into Super Saiyan 4 and Super saiyan god, and Super Saiyan Blue, and god-ki in general, god-ki isn't something you can give someone. It is created through pressurization of ki. And while Trunks being in SSG could in theory create enough output of ki to turn one of them into a Super Saiyan god by himself, he seems to be spliting it up, and thus the ritual is a bit botched. While it is possible for it to be god-ki, I wouldn't keep my hopes up. God-ki has peculiarities, and if one who doesn't know god-ki wants to get it, they must either do the proven ritual, or learn what god-ki is from a diety, such as Whis.
When using SSGod the user can only give God Ki at that point. SSGod possess the Aura of a God, and SSG has been called the State of the Gods just like Ultra Instinct. The only Ki Trunks could have given IS God Ki.
There's nothing to prove that statement man. In fact in the tournmanent of power Goku tried using normal Ki to revive Roshi, and that didn't work so he switched to God Ki and that worked meaning mortals can indeed be pumped with God Ki and it remains God Ki.
God-ki is just mortal ki pressurized. There are some statements about that within the series it's self. Even if Goku used god-ki to revive Roshi, that doesn't mean that Roshi has god-ki. This is why SSG ran out so fast in BOG but is able to be used for a lot longer. They weren't losing pressure.
Either way, god ki might not work that way, as there is only 5 people in the rtual not counting Vegeta. And the god ki would lose potency being transfered between two people. That would result in mortal ki. If this were not so, then Goku SSJ4 would already be a god due to haveing used the Super Full Power Saiyan ritual before in GT. That did not result in god ki. Just a badass ape with a lot of power.
I know, but Super Full Power Saiyan 1 (While not canonically named) happened in BOG when Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and Vegeta shared their ki with Goku. Goku's form got all poppy and Gohan said he was "The strongest fighter in history." It was the same concept, and it produced no god-ki. Just ALOT of power.