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  • There is no partially canon bounding these characters so pretty much a composite of everything from heroes to spinoff games or whatever media you want to use as evidence to backup your point.

    Scaling is not allowed as were going purely based off feats in this thread.

    Adsorption forms like buuhan or buutenks are factored in if you want to use them in your favor.  

    May the best fighter win.

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    • Ill debate unless you join my discord

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    • Phascogale 

      I'll join your discord if you want 

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    • Alright, heres the link https://discord.gg/56JHjbR

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    • Ok. Since no one has posted lol  I'd give it to buu, simply because you said any form is allowed. Buu with Gohand absorbed is stronger then an SS3 goku (who beat base form Janemba easily) and beat the crap out of SS3 goku similar to Janemba.  Both have strange powers, stretching vs portals. However, buu is known for being volatile and has no problems insulting his opponents...which right there is a huge edge considering that dumb weakness to Janemba.  Both Super Janemba and Buu with Gohan were similarly manhandled by a SS Fusion so i'd say they are roughly equal.


      On top of that, Buu has to be completely eradicated to be beat. Jamemba has never shown an technique with that power.  I don't really see how either could beat the other, well maybe buu outright obliterating Janemba with a move of gohan's or something, but could easily see buu absorbing janemba.

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    • Heartlesslove93 

      I Said no scaling and just feats to determine a victor.

      It Does not matter that they were both beat by a vegeta x goku fusion as the feats suggest gogeta would be much stronger which is why i said you can use alternate media as the movie vs anime version is a stomp.

      I Thought heroes and some of the other supplementary material like super,gt and some of the older games could sway the result to something than i already know for the main versions

      I Could argue ssj gogeta beating ssj4 gogeta cause of the insane feats that he showed in that movie compared to ssj4 gogeta's scaling. 

      The reason why i could argue this is cause gt gogeta,z gogeta and super gogeta are all different versions and cause of that they have different levels of power with the one from super having the highest 

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    • Missy0124 wrote:
      Heartlesslove93 

      I Said no scaling and just feats to determine a victor.

      It Does not matter that they were both beat by a vegeta x goku fusion as the feats suggest gogeta would be much stronger which is why i said you can use alternate media as the movie vs anime version is a stomp.

      I Thought heroes and some of the other supplementary material like super,gt and some of the older games could sway the result to something than i already know for the main versions

      I Could argue ssj gogeta beating ssj4 gogeta cause of the insane feats that he showed in that movie compared to ssj4 gogeta's scaling. 

      The reason why i could argue this is cause gt gogeta,z gogeta and super gogeta are all different versions and cause of that they have different levels of power with the one from super having the highest 

      I didn't scale. I used a similar situation occuring around the same time, without significant power boost occuring between, to show how both are be compared relatively equal. Comparing feats is not scaling (which is odd you would say that, since you specifically asked for feats).

      And no, no supplementary material has really showed Janemba with any added powers. Even in his evil demon form or whatever, he was quickly replaced by kid buu absorbing him (which again, adds to my statement above).

      I see no way Janemba wins, and even in DBH they let buu absorb him. I'd give it to buu.

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    • Wait are we talking composites? Cause that's nearly impossible. Also, scaling only works when they are within the same timeline, so I don't see your point. You can't scale Goku in Fusion Reborn to canon Z Goku, it just doesn't work like that. If that's what you meant, then I agree, if that isn't what you meant by scaling, then there is no way to determine a winner in any scenario.

      Regardless, Super Janemba manhandled a Super Saiyan 3 Goku capable of shaking the Universe with his transformation. That should put Janemba at around universal.

      Buuhan also nearly ripped the Universe apart (this is in the Daizenshuu, btw) so they should be around similar levels of power. That said, I think Buuhan's hacks, while not that impressive in comparison to Janemba, would allow him to come out on top in the end. It would be an interesting battle though.

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    • Ultimate Night Stalker 

      Yes we talking complete composites including all supplementary material as i said in the opening to this thread.

      I Said no scaling in the opening and only i addressed scaling when it was brought up by heartless.

      Buu could adsorb him but janemba has universal tier ap and reality and could also could trap buu in a barrier like he did to king yenma.

      Janemba also has portal creation which could get him out of trouble before buu could even adsorb him.

      Heartlesslove93 

      What do you call saying that all goku x vegeta fusions are comparable not scaling.



      Buuhan is stronger then an SS3 goku (who beat base form Janemba easily) and beat the crap out of SS3 goku similar to Janemba.

      Both Super Janemba and Buu with Gohan were similarly manhandled by a SS Fusion so i'd say they are roughly equal.



      You scaled buuhan to janemba by way of sjj3 goku as i shown from the statements above so to imply you did not scale is impossible from the statements you yourself made and saying the ssj goku x vegeta fusions are comparable is illogical due the feats they have being entirely different

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    • Buu ripped a hole in the Room of Spirit and Time by screaming.

      When you say composite, do you mean I should do they hypothetical Buuhan from the Fusion Reborn timeline? Or are you saying to take feats from everywhere and mash them together, like taking a bunch of Heroes and Xenoverse versions?

      Cause that’s what a composite would mean.

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    • Ultimate Night Stalker 

      I Mean literally every interpretation of these characters mashed together into one not pacifically heroes or xenoverse

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    • Missy0124 wrote:
      Ultimate Night Stalker 

      Yes we talking complete composites including all supplementary material as i said in the opening to this thread.

      I Said no scaling in the opening and only i addressed scaling when it was brought up by heartless.

      Buu could adsorb him but janemba has universal tier ap and reality and could also could trap buu in a barrier like he did to king yenma.

      Janemba also has portal creation which could get him out of trouble before buu could even adsorb him.

      Heartlesslove93 

      What do you call saying that all goku x vegeta fusions are comparable not scaling.



      Buuhan is stronger then an SS3 goku (who beat base form Janemba easily) and beat the crap out of SS3 goku similar to Janemba.

      Both Super Janemba and Buu with Gohan were similarly manhandled by a SS Fusion so i'd say they are roughly equal.



      You scaled buuhan to janemba by way of sjj3 goku as i shown from the statements above so to imply you did not scale is impossible from the statements you yourself made and saying the ssj goku x vegeta fusions are comparable is illogical due the feats they have being entirely different

      The fact we know fusion reborn took place around or during the same saga as buu (non-canonically at least) is how you can compare gogeta to vegeto realiably there. Thats not scaling. They took placei n roughly the same time, with the same characters at the same power level, and using canon information we are now given, the fusions technique and potara's are equal, we are literally told this btw. So saying they are equal should seem logical, gives its around the same time and, well, Akira says so.

      Besides the point. Buu takes it like i said. Janemba literally has no feat that can defeat buu. Even trapping buu (since we are using any buu) doesn't work as he can either kai kai or just scream and rip a hole through the dimension.  Also, janemba is weak to insults, super buu would do just that. Janemba loses.

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    • Heartlesslove93 

      Just cause it took place around the same time in universe does not make them the same power by feats or logic provided in series.


      Janemba just by being born shows universal levels of power so yes janemba in the movies is stronger than buu from the anime and i said composite characters cause i already know the result to the movie vs anime battle as i am knowledgeable on the movies and anime of dbz.


      Comparing the power of fictional characters based off in universe sayings and statements is the literal definition of power scaling and saying these characters are comparable based off reason x and y is scaling


      Janemba's main abillties are portal creation and reality warping both abillties buu has no way to content with or counter and couped with the universal tier of power janemba has based off feats he would win

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    • Missy0124 wrote:
      Heartlesslove93 

      Just cause it took place around the same time in universe does not make them the same power by feats or logic provided in series.


      Janemba just by being born shows universal levels of power so yes janemba in the movies is stronger than buu from the anime and i said composite characters cause i already know the result to the movie vs anime battle as i am knowledgeable on the movies and anime of dbz.


      Comparing the power of fictional characters based off in universe sayings and statements is the literal definition of power scaling and saying these characters are comparable based off reason x and y is scaling


      Janemba's main abillties are portal creation and reality warping both abillties buu has no way to content with or counter and couped with the universal tier of power janemba has based off feats he would win

      Ah so thats the real issue. You ignored everything anyone pointed out and keep talking about janemba's reality altering powers (which he couldn't even control, hell the movie almost makes it seem like it's not even his ability but part of the same process that created him).

      You ignored buu ripping holes in dimensions, you ignored buu being stronger in heroes as well, you ignored how janemba has no ability able to kill buu, you ignored super buu being smart enough to abuse the insult weakness, this could keep going on but in truth you never wanted a discussion who was stronger lol 


      ​​​Btw, the author says the fusions are equal. They are equal. Deal with it.

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    • Heartlesslove93 


      Toriyama only made the dragon ball manga and as such only has dictation over that material so his statement does not matter as the material were referring to has no relation with his work.

      Toriyama himself said he treated the movies as their own thing so that statement does not really apply to his work even by his own will

      Buu rippied holes though dimensions which was a showcase of his low universal levels of power.

      Janemba is high end universal due to the warping of the entire afterlife just by his birth alone which if you don't know both heaven and hell are stated as universal sized planes of existence.

      Buu is stronger in heroes so i can agree with you on that.

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    • The fusion multipliers may be equal, but that doesn’t mean every Vegito and Gogeta are equal. If anything, the Gogeta from Fusion Reborn should be way stronger considering that we have a Universal Goku as a base (even though he was universal only in Super Saiyan 3, I doubt this matters). Regardless, I still think Buu would win.

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    • Ultimate Night Stalker 

      The fusion multipliers are inconsistent like sometimes they say the two fusees x their base power together to get the fusion and other times they just say it is a exceptional boost.

      Janemba has more impressive feats than buu just in his base form so how does buu win in any capacity.

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    • Janemba has better hacks then Buuhan. And he managed to beat Goku, Vegeta and Pikkon. Not just that, his sword ignores durability.

      Not just that, he can catch Buuhan off guard with his portals. Also, Janemba can warp reality. So this makes him pretty much OP.

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    • >Fusion Reborn Universal Goku

      >only feat he has is lighting up a potentially universal space with his ki which isn't even a universal feat

      yikes

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    • The afterlife is at least the size of a regular infinite universe. Seeing as regular Janemba was able to warp and cause havoc throughout the whole afterlife simultaneously, and Goku was stronger than him, is it really that much of a stretch that Goku from Fusion Reborn is Universal?

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    • Buu would win, its hard to tell but there clearly almost even janemba can warp reality but barely control it, the way buu fights is constant trash talking something janemba can't handle due to his terrible weakness that makes everything worse and buu is more or less the same power as buuhan and greater as the piccolo ssj gotenks fusion so buu would win

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    • Yeah I almost forgot. If Buu was backed into a corner, he could just start screaming to tear the Universe apart, and Janemba would be unable to do anything.

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    • Janemba can quickly recover from these insults however

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    • But we’re not talking insults, we’re talking about Universe-ripping wails that even Vegito had trouble with. Janemba would have to deal with constant, destructive screaming.

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    • The screaming only ripped holes in dimensions, Janemba has power of dimenion stuff to the point he an alter and warp it not to mention he can control the dimensions he is in. Super Buu screaming and rippind dimensions open will do squat to Janemba.

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    • Janemba’s weak to loud noises though. Super Buu has weaponized screams. Kind of a done deal. Even Vegito had trouble getting through Super Buu’s screams.

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    • No, Janemba was weak to insults, not loud noises.

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    • Ultimate Night Stalker wrote: Janemba’s weak to loud noises though. Super Buu has weaponized screams. Kind of a done deal. Even Vegito had trouble getting through Super Buu’s screams.

      He is not weak to loud noises. He gets stunned by insults for a bit.

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