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    0551E80Y closed this thread because:
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    06:35, July 3, 2019

    It was stated in the movie that they are not siblings and only look alike due to the low gene pool of the low class saiyans

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    • You must have ignored the talk page. You also must have ignored how Bardock's hairstyle was said to be unique to him in dragon ball minus, when they were talking about Kakarot who now also has the same hairstyle since he is his son. https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/4675145.html

      https://66.media.tumblr.com/11771622d74c21ca8cb45de71d7ec4fd/tumblr_n3ox3zZavJ1tsp8k5o2_500.png

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    • @Flatzone

      The point was that their not brothers as the wiki implies they are and the low gene pool was what was stated in the movie as to why turles and goku look alike. Super is a diffferent continity from the z movies anyway so that statement means none to the discuusion had here. Goku having the same hair as his father due to his genetics was already elstablised in all the mediums of dragon ball so i don't get what point making

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    • It is just a single source that states it which is linked to the status of Turles being Goku's brother.

      Which also says "Most other sources refer to them as being unrelated."

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    • 0551E80Y 

      The debut movie he is in says he is not and like or not the debut product of a character has more validation than a one off statement from a guidebook. Why include him as a sibling in that case when all accounts with the exception of a few say they are unrelated. Why is it okay for them to be siblings cause of one statement but have xeno turles as separtate when all accounts of the story say he is the same  

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    • Because the statement is an offical source. The owners of the franchise are the ones who put it out there, not us. It is our job to archive every source there is that explains things that were not said or shown in the original appearences of the characters.

      If there are contradictions to what the sources say. It is on them to have it acknowledged then accepted/discarded, not us.

      So far, no source has had Turles confront Goku on the suggestion of them being brothers only for Turles to reject that notion and says it is a lie.  So because this hasn't happened. The statement can't be rejected, it can be contradicited. But that doesn't remove it from existance in its entirely. 

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    • 0551E80Y 


      He says they are not related in the movie his debut appearance and at this point your just denying facts as i have never said it was not official i just said his primary source of canon contradicts that notion making it invalid. How are they supposed to discard a statement on the movies that don't even get made anymore and the games also deconfrimed this notion as well at one point but you take the games as separate continuity when this is the only continuity that turles ever appears in as of late to confrim or deconfrim anything on this matter or others but you guys take upon yourself to make xeno characters separate despite the fact multiple xeno characters are said and shown to be the same characters as the ones in z so yes you do discard and accept things based on your own notion such as the turles being goku's brother despite the games and his debut appearance saying otherwise. You guys also denied the statement of yo son being canon despite tarble being referced to in broly and so by all facts presented you guys do in fact accept/discard things based off your own notion

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    • Xeno Turles does have it stated on his article that he's related to the xeno counterparts of Goku's family.

      And this statement came out AFTER Turles appeared in his movie. If it was before as a promotion for Tree of Might. Then it would have been rejected. But since it is the other way around. It casts doubt on Turles' claim that they are not related and can't be rejected, only contradicted.

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    • 0551E80Y 

      The point of that was to show that you guys accept/discard things based off your own opinions which you are confriming that right now which just shows the pure hypocrisy of your whole argument. You don't need evidence to prove him being different so what im just supposed to take exactly what you say at face value with no proof in the slightest when your whole argument was based off that to begin with and what exactly happened to we don't discard/acept things we just archive what infomation we get. Since that whole bit about accept/discarding evidence is out the window as you don't need any statements to prove a point right so why is turles's goku's brother when all evidence says otherwise.  If Xeno characters are from a separate time the same Lineage could not apply as different timelines have different events play out so to say there the exact same is headcanon if we are going with your notion of them being different that is. I seen you edited your comment in it's entirety and im still not changing mine cause im not pety like that cause if get shown as a hyopcrite im owning up to it as i made that mistake and i derseve all the wrath that comes with being hypocritical of ones own beliefs

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    • This is what the first half of my comment and the last half was adressing if anyone is curious 

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    • Saiyajin family trees-large

      Here is an official source that shows Goku and Turles have no relation. This, along with an in universe justification that they only look alike because they are low-ranking warriors, not because of familial relations.

      Thats 2 sources to 1, in favor of them not being brothers.

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    • Missy0124 wrote:
      This is what the first half of my comment and the last half was adressing if anyone is curious 

      I changed it cos I was wrong on that part as I went to check out Xeno Turles' article and found out that he is related to the xeno goku family. Via that same source.

      The timelines' messes with the events of people's lives not how they are being born. There is no timeline of where Bardock didn't get together with Gine resultng in Goku never being born.

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    • 0551E80Y 

      I Thought you changed it cause you said something that got you alot of criticism and needed it to be censored as you deleted the image i posted of your comment to hide yourself of course as you can't just debunk my claims as that takes work and intelligence to do. You don't need statements to a prove a point of course you just need to use your good old headcanon am i right. If you don't like what it says then you should have not said it then. How does changing how someone is born not mess with them in anyway as that reasoning makes zero sense to me at all.  

      Point

      if you don't like it you should have not said it

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    • Goku having Bardock's hair is ONLY because he is Bardock's son. Toriyama made that clear with Dragon Ball Minus. Coupled with the source on his page stating he is Goku's older Brother it goes to show that is equally likely. Raditz was said to be Gines oldest son, Kakarot her youngest. While only those two were mentioned being her children at all. Before Bardock fell for Gine and had Raditz he didn't give two shits about any kids or family and Toriyama says that too. So if Turles is Kakarot's older brother, then he has a different mother and he was born before Bardock fell for Gine making Turles older than Raditz. Considering this "The Supplemental Daizenshuu adds that when Goku was born, Turles should have already been a first-rate warrior.[1]" Only Raditz, Gine, Vegeta, Nappa, and Bardock and Turles knew Kakarot was sent to Earth. The low class saiyans look alike turned out to be nonsense anyway. So chances are more likely Turles is the older half Brother of Goku that Bardock either didn't know about or didn't care about because well.. before he fell for Gine Bardock didn't give a shit at all.

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    • FlatZone 

      The Hair point i have already responded to before and as i don't care to do it again just go up to beggining of the thread where i responded to that point. Again like we have all been stating here is that there are alot more sources sugesting goku as not being related than actually being related and the rest of your argument is mostly conjecture which i am not going to respond too. Turles being a warrior at the time of goku's birth means litterally nothing as age does not signify a familiar connection but with that logic in mind tarble and goku should be related or even better broly should be as you more recent dragon ball fans seem to love the roid boy.  

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    • Ignoring your comments that have no relevance at all, it seems you missed the point of my post completely. Think it over.

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    • What you're also missing Missy0124 is that being contradicted doesn't necessary mean being rejected. The source that states Goku and Turles are related also has in the reference section of acknowledges other sources saying that they aren't. I said this in my first reply on this thread.

      0551E80Y wrote:

      Which also says "Most other sources refer to them as being unrelated."

      Why that source is still around and on Goku and Turles' related articles is because we note everything official that is released and archive them.

      It can only be rejected by the wiki, if what that Source is saying is actually acknowledged in Universe by the Characters, which in this case is Turles and his story "Tree of might" creates either a continuation of that story where the source becomes acknowledged.

      But outright rejected by Turles beyond having Goku's same hairstyle and facisal features by Turles saying Bardock and/or Gine wasn't his parents. And even if that were to happen. That source would still not be deleted from the wiki.

      There is something similar on Beerus' article. There are statements that claim he is the most powerful character in the history of Z and Toriyama said this as well in an interview.

      However his debut appearance, "Battle of Gods" has the character say that his teacher Whis is in fact more powerful then him and is also his teacher. It is proven at the end of the film when Whis manages to casually knock Beerus out with a mere chop to the neck like Beerus did to Ssj3 Goku at the beginning of the movie.

      What separates this issue from that is that they were stated BEFORE BoG's film release as promotion, while this was stated AFTER Tree of Might was released. But they are still official sources released from the owners of the franchise. It is why they are still there to this day.

      Because that is what this wiki's job is suppose to do; It's an encyclopedia. We take every official statements, promotions and sources and archive them and use them as reference material for the articles for people to read.

      If we had to get rid of this source because it is rejected by other sources on the same level as it, as well as other appearances of Turles acknowledging the similarities between Goku and him in other places, but his star role.

      We would have to get rid of that statement about Beerus being the strongest. And then more and more sources would be removed and lost to time, because they kept being rejected by newer materials. It would cannibalize the Wiki. This is why that source will stay as it is.

      At this point, If you continue to rant on about this it can evolve into flaming which can lead you to being blocked if you start insulting other users.

      You crossed that line in this blog when you first called that image you posted of a sentence I had before I changed it "Hypocrite" which is personally insulting me and the reason why I had to delete it. Because it was a personal attack on me.

      I let that one slide because you were in the middle of heated argument and I (Hoping to) believe that you won't go into ad hominem territory with your arguments in general. The consequences can be dire.

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    • 0551E80Y 



      Like i said before you don't archive everything as you just pick and chose what sources to have on the wiki which is why i called you a hypocrite as what you did went against what you said.  It can rejected by the wiki ahh i thought you guys archived EVERYTHING as in every source available not just a pick and chose style of what sources can and can't used as that personal basis towards one notion or another. The statement of beerus being the strongest in the universe is right as even he mentions there other universes which house stronger fighters and again like i say wording is key. You can't say we archive everything then say we take acceptions here or there as that is hypocritital towards what you were saying. Your gonna ban me cause things got a bit heated is that not in the sly bit pity in anyway and when you get cornerned in a argument you have block and or delect me instead of addressing my critisism like i do and been doing and  life is very heated and alot more heated than this and  if you can't deal with one person online debating about a anime i don't see you functioning in the real world as you don't have a ban button to block Arrogaters and people trying to rob you i know that is exterme but my point of that was if one guy online can ruin your day and if i get you that agitated how do you function in the real world. Yes i know whis is stronger but i saying the statement itself gets later backup by newer infomation in super as the universes that he mentioned being stronger than were shown 

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    • Those other sources for Turles are there on the page. You are just being salty.

      In his appearance and background sections for example.

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    • FlatZone 

      I'm just being salty is dumb way to excuse criticism as even if i were salty as you millenials say that would change any of the points and or facts i bought up.  My emotional state and or feeling on a matter has nothing to do with debate that i'm having as your just now making excuses and assumtions to defend a point that is contradicted in every other medium like i've already stated. I Have gotten into this debate before but xeno characters are the same characters as their main timeline counterparts at least in universe they are as their are multiple examples that explicly are the same in universe such as king vegeta,bardock,pan,broly. There is more evidence to suggest bardock from the minus and super era being different from the dbz era barbock than the xeno characters  

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    • Boo hoo lol

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