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  • I can't believe I'm saying this about a Dragon Ball story but I feel SDBH truly and really sucks. Before when it started I was hype and thought it was good, but it started going down hill for me after SSJ4 Vegito( and no it has nothing to with preference between SSJ4 or SSJB , both are awesome). The power scaling is all over the place story doesn't make sense at all. Even the Xeno side is making less and less sense. I know it's not cannon but I would at least like a little logic behind it. Am I wrong or what?

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    • That is the point of the show. It makes no sense, also, (spoiler alert for newest episode) why the hell were Goku, Trunks and Vegeta using normal SS and managed to keep up with the opponents?

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    • My biggest question for the anime is why hasn't Trunks used his rage form yet? In trailers, game, and Manga he uses it but not here

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    • Because Heroes is an advertisment for the game and nothing it has is supposed to be taken as evidence of anything ever, Flat.

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    • RnR

      NervousShipper wrote: Because Heroes is an advertisment for the game and nothing it is supposed to be taken as evidence of anything ever, Flat.

      Pretty much.

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    • Still, it does bother me that someone that just thrashed UI Sign goku is having trouble beating SS Trunks...like wtf lol

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    • Trunks and Gohan are like mutant saiyans, they're designed to gain power at an unfair, ridiculous rate.

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    • NervousShipper wrote: Trunks and Gohan are like mutant saiyans, they're designed to gain power at an unfair, ridiculous rate.

      That still doesn’t explain how SS Trunks is stronger then UI Omen Goku.

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    • Because you don't have to be UI to beat UI, just ask Jiren. Also it's an anime created solely as advertising. In this show, Yamcha could beat Moro AND Omega Shenron AND Jiren at the same time, blindfolded and without his hands and feet. Logic doesn't exist here.

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    • NervousShipper wrote: Because you don't have to be UI to beat UI, just ask Jiren. Also it's an anime created solely as advertising. In this show, Yamcha could beat Moro AND Omega Shenron AND Jiren at the same time, blindfolded and without his hands and feet. Logic doesn't exist here.

      Exactly, so nobody should take anything seriously, such as SS4 being SSB level, you should know who I am talking about.

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    • Okay I changed my mind now after Episode 13 of SDBH came out, that animation was good.

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    • @MonzyMonz, I thought that SDBH was bad from the beginning. It had surface level writing and shallow level development. Even fanfictions have managed to show better writing and development with the Dragon Ball Z characters and write better combat choreography than Super Dragon Ball Heroes, which is just shallow fan service at this point. Super Dragon Ball Heroes always had been shallow fan service, but the depth and importance of the episodes with the show as well as how illogical it can be sometimes sucks out any content that it can promise. Once Goku wore the Grand Priest garb, I knew that there was no coming back. Super Dragon Ball Heroes is garbage. It takes a lot of suspension of disbelief and disregarding of previous established statements taken from various sources associated with the Dragon Ball Z franchise to even watch remotely for a little bit, and even then, most of the viewers or targeted demographic are probably young and just want fan service.

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    • You guys wanna join my discord and have a debate? https://discord.gg/cJCKPM

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    • Phascogale wrote:
      You guys wanna join my discord and have a debate?

      https://discord.gg/cJCKPM

      No.

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    • I Honestly don't like any dragon ball aside from the og and z anime and manga.

      I Also like a few games here or there.

      The reason as to why i don't like most dragon ball media aside from the things i mentioned is the fact that subsequent stories devalue and demises the original's premise and information for the sake of their own narrative which is not that interesting.

      These subsequent stories are made for cash and cash alone and lack much interest aside from what they are derived from.

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    • Think of it as trying to get viewers hype. Example SSJ4 Vegito now despite the game saying SSJB & SSJ4 equal, because Vegito in SSJ4 was new he was stronger.

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    • Don't worry about it, it's just promoting the card game, The Manga does a much better job of storytelling in my opinion.

      The Universal conflict and Prison planet sagas are all over the place, The scaling of ss4 goku and vegeta have to do with how they're from after the end of GT, and just have a stronger base form to compete with blue despite having a weaker transformation. 

      it's like in Dbs broly gogeta In his super saiyan form, was able to put massive pressure on Super saiyan Broly, in just his regular super saiyan form, which was able to take on Super saiyan blue goku and vegeta virtually unscathed. It uses base form scaling for this stuff .

      But that's not to say it's entirely stupid, but: We cannot judge it until it's finished, these episodes are just there to show off the new UR card for the set (Most recent one was Super hearts). They just think of cool stuff to put in and show off, then make stuff up later. Like:Why is zamasu there when he was erased? Who the hell is Lagss, what kind of NAME IS LAGSS WHEN ITS JUST AN ANAGRAM OF GLASS. Why are Kami and Oren so intimidating in their first appearance but are now an absolute joke. Why is Kumber so angry? Did they intend him to be an evil saiyan yamoshi fought? The only way this can be good, is if they just blow everyone away with an explanation. And no: Fu is not a good explanation. He makes an appearance every episode just to be like: Hey guys im still here, and im still Fu, I exist. 

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    • RemoteCats 



      Just cause it is a promotion of something does not mean it should suck nor should that be a excuse for it's lackluster narrative. 

      A Promotion in fact should be better or at least good as why would a watcher of the anime want to buy the game if the anime did not interest them and found it to be bad


      If a buildup to a narrative sucks the later payoff episodes will not be worth watching as the buildup to that payoff sucks so the argument of wait to there is newer episodes is dumb.

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    • it's a promotional anime based on a fighting game. Dragonball isn't a show about depth, it's a violent comedy.

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    • NervousShipper 

      Z,Ball had interesting narratives so that's not a excuse and just because it is action comedy does not excuse bad writing and a boring narrative.

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    • Let’s be honest the writing for the DB franchise isn’t exactly going down in history as one of the best forms of literature. It’s a villain of the week type story enlongated to make an arc. Z did have its moments of horrible writing and Super and Gt did as well and while heroes is far inferior to the rest it seems like “ look how cool this character I gotta have it” type senecio. But I agree even if that is the case it still shouldn’t suck especially if we as the fans are waiting a month or longer for an 8 min episode. But then maybe that’s the problem

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    • SilverLightning95 

      Never said it was the pinnacle of writing i said it had interesting narratives unlike the cashgraps toei and the other companies make like super,gt and heroes. 



      Every show has bad moments here or there as nothing can be perfect but when something is so obviously a cashgrap with very little passion or interest even put in and even the episode of bardock which was not that good you could still see where they coming from narrativey and at least tried to make a decent product.


      The episode of bardock was also based off heroes which is why i used that as a example to compare to begin with to show that it can be done better not good but watchable at least.   


      I Honestly don't watch heroes as narratively people have wrote better fanfiction than most of the dragon ball stories recently.

      Anything after z generally has bad writing worse than that of actually fan fiction alot of time as these fan fictions have something dragon ball lacks now passion as the writer toriyama has been done with dragon ball since his manga has finished and only made the buu saga due to the amount of fans for the manga.

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    • Yeah, thats the point tho, just random stuff, but cumber was cool admit it

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    • RasputinZeppeli 

      Things can be cool but still have some narrative weight or interest to them aside from i'm a big huge guy who can fight and broly provided the same senseless fighting and gave some motivation and character to justify said fighting and i am using the broly made by takao in this example and if your narrative of your character gets stomped by one of worse characters in the franchise your character is not a good character.

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    • However, from promotional like anime we can gain some side information and lore about the canon. It can help us understand some situations and see new villains that may take place in the main story

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    • I find it interesting that Goku is now seeking to master UI fully in the current chapters of DBS. Similar to what he did in SDBH.

      SDBH by no means sucks, just that one beautiful episode saved it. But don’t expect logic or power scaling from people who don’t care about the series. Who are just doing it as a promotion to make more money. Forget the power scaling they added so many generic boring characters they should be tarred and feathered but I digress.

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    • I’m starting to realise that SDBH is more like a test show, what I mean by that is the fact that Toei are adding characters and see if people like them, hence the reason why we don’t see them ever again. For example, Golden Metal Cooler was only really in one episode, and we never saw him ever again, people did like him, so do I.

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    • I thought Cooler coming back as a whole was an interesting idea, I mean we got Frieza and Gogeta and Broly so why not Cooler?

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    • We found out that Fuu told Cooler about the Big Geti Star and how to use it to become stronger, so Cooler did just that.. then he went and used Ultimate Evolution while being Meta Cooler.. thats just cool as all hell to me. I love the idea, SDBH does have its good moments.

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    • I think M&M might be into something about it being a test show, Cumber is almost like another Broly and maybe Moro will go and gather energy throughout other universes. Maybe a possibility.

      I just hope that if they’re connected the lazy characters don’t make it in to the main story, such as:

      Tuffledroid Twins

      Kale

      Caulifla

      Shafted Cabba

      Hope Convenient Trunks

      Space Pimp Hearts

      Generic Anime I Have A Master Crystal Girl

      Useless UI Goku

      Useless Hype Purposed Fusion

      Trying To Salvage The Ruined Brilliant Character Zamasu

      Plain Jane Nothing Interesting Jiren

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    • FlatZone 



      The whole reason why he was meta cooler is cause his biological body only consisted of a head and how did he get his full biological body back to the way it was before.

      Big getti star was destroyed so how did he use it to get stronger and how did use transform using a racial transformation when the entirety of his body is gone.



      XVegitoSSGSS 



      What context or lore does the heroes anime add to the story and just a question how is mastering a form interesting as a concept not like it was done before with every other form in the series.

      MonzyMonz 


      Convince me that heroes is a consistent and well told story.

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    • Cooler could easily have been from another timeline and that’s where final form Cooler came from, same for the second spaghetti star. The big gete star restores his entire body with highly advanced machinery, not such a stretch to say it didn’t just copy the appearance but the genetic make up as well. It is supposed to be the “ultimate body” or something like that.

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    • Cooler did say that Fuu told him how to get to it and how to do it, maybe there was a process that integrated his entire body into the big gete star.. or maybe he integrated the big gete stars chip into his body??

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    • FlatZone 

      The fact that your using words like maybe show that they not explain it properly and a story that can't explain the details of it's narrative properly is a bad story,

      Chrome0X 

      If you have to make a reason why something is the way it is does that not show it is badly wrote.

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    • Well I didn’t have to make a reason, you are operating off the assumption that The Spaghetti Star doesn’t copy genetic make up. Is SDBH perfect? No it’s purely made for hype and promotional purposes, does it need to be bashed? No again, you knew what this was before you got into it, that’s like buying a English book knowing it’s an English book and getting mad when it’s not a Math book. Doesn’t make sense does it?

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    • Chrome0X 



      Just cause something is a promotion for a product does not mean it has to suck yugioh and digimon are examples of a well told promotion.



      The story in fact should be more engaging and better told as that would bring more people into buying the game would it not.

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    • They have 8 damn minute episodes, along with secondary resources to make the episodes so of course you won't get constant A+ episodes. People like you are spoiled rotten. Either watch it or don't watch it.

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    • Missy,

      It seems you simply can’t appreciate what Heroes has to offer, it was never meant to have an extraordinarily engaging story. It accomplishes what it is supposed to, providing interesting scenarios and hype for the video game. It appears to be your personal opinion that the show sucks which I cannot change.

      Yu Gi Oh was never a simple promotion, you are comparing apples and oranges, Yu Gi Oh was a full-length TV series whereas Heroes is a web streamed promotion. As FlatZone stated the episodes are 8 minutes long so I don’t know what more you want them to offer. Further more they are released once a month so it is drastically reduced as far as run time goes yet is still interesting enough to keep people tuning in every month for a mere couple minutes.

      Neither Digimon nor Yu Gi Oh had the sole purpose of promoting their games and both had weekly ~20 minute episodes and were still unimaginably flawed, putting aside Heroes massive scaling issues what is it that you feel is so terrible?

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    • Chrome0X 

      Explain to me what it has to offer and you admmiting the story was not meant to be a engaging story is goning to convince someone to watch something.


      Yugioh's later seasons have a high emphasis on the card game and often times you can literally get exclusive cards if you purchase the manga chapters or disk sets so if that's not a promotion then what is.


      The inconsistent character writing and the bland and relatively uninteresting characters that come with cash ins made by toei and those are some of the reasons for my distaste with it.

      The lack of a goal or a motive for anything being done and the lack of exclamation for basic things like when did future trunks go to the past or how does cumber's evil corruption power work as examples.

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    • I’ve already explained what it has to offer, interesting scenarios that the canon would prevent and being essentially a 8 minute commercial for the video game.

      You’re still comparing two different designs. You’re expecting what is essentially a commercial to have the story and thought of a movie put into it. It’s like saying the It trailer was dumb because it just flashed some stuff then went off. But that’s the point, it gives you a taste and brings you back for more.

      Yu Gi Oh had promotions(much like buying a DB Blu ray disc and getting a code to download Dokkan Battle) but the series itself was never intended to be a promotion.

      In addition to this Dragon Ball doesn’t generally explain stuff, they just do it and MAYBE Toriyama or a guide book will clarify.

      We still have yet to be given an explanation as to what Ultra Instinct is and why Saiyans have a transformation that uses it or if it’s not Saiyan specific why Goku was even able to tap into it. We can speculate but we have no true explanation. Neither do we have an explanation as to why Saiyans have a form possessing divine ki, it just happened because.

      I can’t make you like SBDH nor is that my intention, but saying something is bad because it doesn’t meet exactly what you want it to is somewhat spoiled, especially when it was never meant to meat said expectations.

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    • Chrome0X 

      There are many movies that have hilariously bad stories so the generalization of saying i'm holding DBH to a cinema's quality is dumb especially considering how bad modern cinema often is nowadays.

      Yu-Gi-Oh was not intended as a promotion but it turned into one with time.


      Maybe we don't have a explanation on things in super like ultra instinct cause the writers will get a good paycheck ether way so they don't have to care about the story.

      I Could get into why i don't like super but the basic point is they make these unthoughtful cash graps cause the studios need to fill that timeslot.   



      The only expectation i have is that it has a interesting and consistent narrative and if that is too much too ask then they should not need to pay writers to write this.

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    • FlatZone 



      If you don't like and then don't watch is a dumb excuse as under the same logic i could say if you don't like my comment then don't reply then.



      Excepting good writing is spoiled so what is expecting bad writing.



      If you are a good writer 8 minutes should not be restriction and writers get paid to write these stories and since they do i am expecting it to be of a quality that a corporate company can produce.

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    • You are purposely misrepresenting sections of my argument to further your own opinion.

      Never was a direct comparison made to cinema but I gave you an example of a promotion of a movie(a trailer) and the actual film. The point still stands.

      Somehow you don’t see the difference between Yu Gi Oh and SDBH. Yu Gi Oh was NEVER a promotion for the card game. The manga came first end eventually they made a card game because of the popularity of the series. These are completely different scenarios in which a card game is made as a promotion for a series and a series is made in promotion of a game. I can see the difference so I know you can.

      The writers aren’t hired to write an in depth series, they’re hired to make short but sweet stories to give you a taste so you play the game.

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    • Chrome0X 


      You made the comparison of cinema to anime not i.

      You would have a leg to stand on with the yugioh card game point if i was just referring to the dm era of yugioh which i'm not and yes the card game was originally made in advertisement of the manga but with the later spinoff seasons like gx and arc-v that changed drastically.


      Why have writers then if the plot is so thin and straight to the point that a child could write it.

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    • Chrome0X

      Chrome0X 

      This is the screenshot of you making the comparison of movies to anime

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    • Stop playing games. You said I felt you expected SDBH to have the “quality of cinemas”. I never even came close to saying this and the point I made still stands.

      The following Yu Gi Oh series were not promotions either, they were attempts to ride on the coattails of the first actually good series and keep cash flowing in. The fact that you hold them above SDBH worries me.

      SDBH has 5 minute long actual episodes, the opening and endings are a minute and a half each. You want them to cram 20 minutes worth of episode into 5 which is a ridiculously bad idea. You are unreasonable and demanding, two traits that are terrible for a fan of any series to have.

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    • SDBH sucks in my opinion. Whether it's a promotional anime or not, the writing is garbage and characters are treated very poorly.

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    • Chrome0X 



      The fact i hold a full length series with some interesting new characters over a simply cash in by toei is bad how and the fact shows like 5ds have some narratively interesting characters like yusei

      I like yusei due his emotional struggle he had with himself over the program his father made which eliminated a entire city and this is just a example of how certain characters in the yugioh spinoff seasons are better than the characters in heroes which are just knockoff broly and baby named into cumber and oren

      I Still would not say the orginal yugioh is good but it is better than most of the spinoff seasons that came after it.

      Time restrictions should not be a issue to good writers who wish to tell a good story,

       

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