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  • Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT, just after the Baby Saga, vs Golden Frieza from the Ressurection of F saga. 

    With no ambiguous factors such as god ki at play here, who do you think would win?

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    • My opinion is Super Saiyan 4 Goku, and the way that I rationalize it is considering how Merged Zamasu and Golden Great Ape Baby served pretty much the same narrative role, that they would narritively have the same power as one another, so in comparison Golden Frieza in Dragon Ball GT would be about as strong as General Rilldo or one of Baby's previous forms, and Super Saiyan 4's stamina consumption being unheard of compared to Blue and Golden's stated drawbacks (at the time) make this a win for Goku.

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    • Well Golden Frieza doesn't have god ki, so that's not an issue. But Golden Frieza would destroy SSJ4. Think about it, Golden Frieza is proven to be stronger than SSB, and we all know how crazy powerful that form is. Golden Frieza also has no stamina issues anymore either, so Frieza would be able to last longer than SSJ4 Goku as well. Frieza was also able to stop and control a Hakai, which is pure destructive energy from a GoD, so I think Frieza has SSJ4 beat.

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    • Mixing both Heroes' and Xenoverse's interpretations of ssj4 vs Blue, the forms are pretty equal, with Heroes taking Blue and Xenoverse preferring 4. Considering this post isn't about those forms lets just consider them narritively equal for their perspective appearances. And this is Resurrection F Frieza, when he still had problems with the form.



      You said Frieza would be able to last longer than SSJ4 Goku, though the only thing that caused Goku's ssj4 form to run out was fusion, it seems like even if Golden started out stronger it would decline faster.

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    • Golden Frieza, who then waits for him to fuse with Vegeta, and then defeats gogeta

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    • Hosep wrote: Mixing both Heroes' and Xenoverse's interpretations of ssj4 vs Blue, the forms are pretty equal.

      In heroes, those are two completely different Gokus, we don't know how much or how little each has trained, and both of those games are games in which Yamcha can beat Jiren. So they are really irrelevant when comparing the strength of forms and characters.

      Considering this post isn't about those forms lets just consider them narritively equal for their perspective appearances. And this is Resurrection F Frieza, when he still had problems with the form.

      Ok but res F frieza is still stronger than Blue and would still beat SSJ4.

      You said Frieza would be able to last longer than SSJ4 Goku, though the only thing that caused Goku's ssj4 form to run out was fusion.

      If you remember, the reason Goku can't hold SSJ4 for very long is because his kid body can't handle it for extended periods of time.

      it seems like even if Golden started out stronger it would decline faster.

      Thats not the case, just because Golden Frieza is strong doesn't mean that his stamina would drain faster the stronger he is. If that were the case, his form would run out almost instantaneously.

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    • NervousShipper wrote: Golden Frieza, who then waits for him to fuse with Vegeta, and then defeats gogeta

      Oof

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    • Your form of preference is noted. I think you're talking about SSJ3 though that Goku can't hold for a long period of time because of his child form, GT mostly labels SSJ4 as giving Goku a "completely new" body. Explaining why he doesn't drop out of the form from exhaustion at any point before being drained by fusion.

      And I meant that it would still decline in strength faster than SSJ4, a lot like it did against Blue in the movie.

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    • Hosep wrote: Your form of preference is noted.

      I appreciate that, thank you.

      I think you're talking about SSJ3 though that Goku can't hold for a long period of time because of his child form, GT mostly labels SSJ4 as giving Goku a "completely new" body. Explaining why he doesn't drop out of the form from exhaustion at any point before being drained by fusion.

      Noted, but I am almost positive its that way for both. I'll have to check up on that

      And I meant that it would still decline in strength faster than SSJ4, a lot like it did against Blue in the movie.

      Ah I see. My mistake. But even still, Frieza would most likely beat Goku before that can happen.

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    • this is basically ssj4 vs ssb, considering Golden Frieza is ssb level.

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    • Freeza takes this. 

      Goku somewhat frequently runs out of power in SSJ4 form, and while Freeza also has a heavy energy drain on him, SSJ4 just lacks the extra kick the Blue form has to catapult it high enough to be able to hold on as well as Goku SSB did. 



      This might be a better match if it was Goku just prior to the Omega Shenron fight, but hard to tell. 



      IMO SSJ4 Goku only hovers around SSG Goku's level (though I generally say SSJ4 Goku would win that particular matchup if compared cross-series) and only because base forms in GT are so strong. 

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