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  • Hey, I'm wondering who's your favorite new character in the tournament is. Only characters in the universe survival saga count. I would also like to know what you think about the tournament as a whole, and just general discussion about the tournament. I would love to see your posts!

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    • So do you guys think any of the fighters will get wished back with the Super Dragonballs?

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    • Well, Cabba's Voice Actor was celebrating with the other VA's after recording the last episode, so yeah, we know U6 (or at least their fighters) are coming back; but as for the other universes/fighters, we don't know.

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    • NegativeSymptom wrote: Well, Cabba's Voice Actor was celebrating with the other VA's after recording the last episode, so yeah, we know U6 (or at least their fighters) are coming back; but as for the other universes/fighters, we don't know.

      Cabba's actor could have just come back to record a flashback.

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    • True.

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    • of course jiren the grey

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    • So 17 just blew himself up and is still alive? I'm not sure TOEI understands the definition of "self-destruct"

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    • no he just released his energy like crazy outside his body to block Jiren's blast.

      Just like Vegeta's Final Explosion with Super Saiyan Blue Evolution

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    • They specifically said "self-destructed"

      Self-Destructed means to sacrifice your life by blowing your self up. Your body is gone. Dead. That's it. Blown into a thousand prices.

      You don't survive blowing your body to smithereens unless you have monstrous regeneration like Cell or Buu, and last time I checked, 17 doesn't have any regeneration powers.

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    • Except that Vegeta also used his self destruction technique and no one had a problem with that.

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    • Yeah but Vegeta was seen alive immediately afterwards. 17 was dead for like 5 episodes and now he's not.

      They took an emotional scene and just said "lol jk".

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    • He was presumed dead, and he's an android so they couldn't sense him anyway. Anyway, it's still a great scene and I'm happier he's alive.

      Plus the grand priest said they "could assume" 17 blew himself up right after someone else guessed at it. I assume he knew 17 was alive, the strongest being in the universe wouldn't miss that.

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    • I just really hate it when a show gives us an emotional scene to make us believe a character died and then a few episodes later its just "surprise they were alive the whole time wow how bout that"

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    • EH28 wrote:

      NegativeSymptom wrote: Well, Cabba's Voice Actor was celebrating with the other VA's after recording the last episode, so yeah, we know U6 (or at least their fighters) are coming back; but as for the other universes/fighters, we don't know.

      Cabba's actor could have just come back to record a flashback.

      Really weird he would appear again just for a flashback when the arc is about to end and Super is gonna take a huge break afterwards.

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    • In most cases I would agree, but I like 17, so I can't here.

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    • I love 17. But his death was very emotional and taking that emotion away ruins the scene.

      Kinda like how Guy from Naruto used the eighth gate and was supposed to die but Naruto just said "no".

      These scenes would have been so much better if they actually died/stayed dead. It adds emotion. But instead you go from a very emotional/potentially emotional scene of a loss of a beloved character to a scene thats just "eh, whatever. Not like it matters." It just ruins it completely.

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    • I agree with Negative on this one. I hated how 17 just randomly appeared from the rubble and said he took a gamble and survived. That's just stupid when they made a big deal about him having an emotional end. Now they're just stacking the odds against Jiren when he's the antagonist, why? 17 also said he likes how human it is to sacrifice himself, when he didn't even sacrifice himself. Wasn't 17 eliminated on the god pad too? Wouldn't that mean he's still technically out?

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    • So how did you guys feel about the episode?

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    • EH28 wrote:
      So how did you guys feel about the episode?

      The episode was great until the last 15 seconds. The fight was great and interesting to watch, but I can't get the bad taste of a forced 17 comeback. You don't emotionally kill someone off then randomly insert an easy way for Universe 7 to seal a win. Honestly, I thought that was the only reason 17 was picked by Toriyama to be U7 team in the first place. His survival distracted from a great Frieza moment. I honestly don't know why Toei wasted money animating him in this episode

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    • It doesn't take away from the scene, it takes away from your memory of the scene.

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    • NervousShipper wrote:
      It doesn't take away from the scene, it takes away from your memory of the scene.

      Yes. His return makes the final episode seem less intense as well because all they need to do is keep two people in the ring for 30 seconds. Him being there gives U7 an extra boost they do not need

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    • Considering how long 30 seconds is in this tournament, it might not be that easy to keep them all in the ring.

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    • NervousShipper wrote:
      Considering how long 30 seconds is in this tournament, it might not be that easy to keep them all in the ring.

      I guess it really depends on plot. His return gives off a massive hint that U7 wins and I hope that I am wrong about that

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    • Yeah with how hyped up Jiren was I would be disappointed if he actually lost, especially now that his only opponents are ones who couldn't even stand up to him while he was suppressed

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    • Jiren won against Goku, if only via perseverance and luck, but he deserves to lose the tournament for being negligent and borderline incompetent. 

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    • > Frieza could do nothing to Jiren.

      > Base Goku (while not fatigued like he is now) didn't even make fully suppressed Jiren move at all, so what chance does he have now that's he's weaker than he was then and Jiren is using 100%?

      > The only thing 17 managed to do was scratch Jiren's back

      It doesn't matter how incompetent Jiren is being there should be no that they can beat him. The only way I can see them winning is if Jiren just stands there and let's himself get knocked off, or the time runs out

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    • How did you guys feel about the ending of the tournament of power?

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    • I liked it. Yea sure, we all knew that universes will be ressurected... But I'm fine with that. 

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote: I liked it. Yea sure, we all knew that universes will be ressurected... But I'm fine with that. 

      Yeah, I agree. The purpose of this saga wasn't to erase universes, but to create future storylines.

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    • Kinda rushed but still fascinating. Glad it killed for good all those "fan ideas" about Grand Minister secretly building an angel army or Zeno being evil. This was pretty much a Dragon Ball ending you might expect.

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    • Skar800 wrote: Kinda rushed but still fascinating. Glad it killed for good all those "fan ideas" about Grand Minister secretly building an angel army or Zeno being evil. This was pretty much a Dragon Ball ending you might expect.

      I thought it was great. I strongly disliked Android 17 ever since the Android Saga, but he earned my respect from this episode.

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    • We should stop calling Lapis by the name of Android 17, whe should start calling him MVP from now on.

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    • Lmao who would have thought he would have gotten THIS far? I legit couldn't believe it, I thought Anilaza would have been his last episode and Frieza would have stolen the spotlight.

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    • Skar800 wrote: Lmao who would have thought he would have gotten THIS far? I legit couldn't believe it, I thought Anilaza would have been his last episode and Frieza would have stolen the spotlight.

      I did not expect him to win until the last episode. If he did wish for his cruise ship I would've quite the series.

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    • The sexiest character is also the longest lasting.

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    • If that was the case then Jiren would've lasted the longest lol.

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    • Jiren is the second sexiest

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    • NervousShipper wrote: Jiren is the second sexiest

      We can't leave Toppo out of this either lmao.

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    • Ew

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    • Guys Ribrianne is right there

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    • Lol!

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    • I guess Ribranne's alive now.

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    • 17 is wholesome, Ribrianne is somehole

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    • Ribranne is probably the worst character created by Toriyama. Yes, she was one of the few characters in the tournament created by Toriyama himself.

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    • Designed. Her super “love love” personality was probably all TOEI.

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    • Yeah that's probably true. Toriyama wouldn't make her personality that bad.

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    • The replacement trio was way cooler

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    • Yeah, I agree.

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    • NervousShipper wrote: The replacement trio was way cooler

      Agreed

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    • EH28 wrote:
      How did you guys feel about the ending of the tournament of power?

      I liked it the final fight was great and had an interesting Goku and Frieza team. It also finally delivers on Toppo and Jiren's friendship. 17 comeback actually served a good purpose. I am glad he saw past his cruise ship. I do wish there was another episode, but I think what we got was better than the ending of Z

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    • 17 was the direct MVP it took me until the last episode to see it. You guys realize though that Dr. Gero is also the MVP because he indirectly saved the multiverse by modifying 17

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    • NervousShipper wrote:
      Jiren is the second sexiest
      Jiren Full Power
      Jiren is the sexiest this pic proves it
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    • Only if you like bulging muscles. I like faces and rears.

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    • Jiren Smirking
      Jiren manga
      There is no questioning Jiren's sexiness
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    • Oh, he does have a decent derrier.

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    • Big bulging muscles make me shrink like after a cold shower. They're disgusting.

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    • Muscles that make someone look like they have no neck are definite turn offs.

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    • Now that the Tournament of Power is over, I would like to know who your guy's top 5 favorite characters are. I would love to see your opinions!

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    • Is this just the new characters? If so then mine is:

      1. Jiren

      2. Kafla

      3. Hopp

      4. Caulifla

      5. Anilaza

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    • Jiren 17 Anilaza Kefla Vegeta

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    • 1. Frieza

      2. Hit

      3. Gohan

      4. Andriod 17

      5. Cabba

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    • Top 5 New Characters:

      1. Anilaza

      2. Toppo

      3. Jiren

      4. Damon

      5. Katopelsa

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    • Mine:

      1. Maji Kayo

      2. Hermila

      3. The Preecho

      4. Nigrisshi

      5. Dercori

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    • I noticed most of you have Jiren and Anilaza on your lists. They would probably be in my top 5 too, but I'm wondering why you guys like them so much.

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    • Anilaza barely made it on my top 5. The only reason he’s there is because I was only going on my top 5 new characters (the reason he’s 5 is because there are pretty much only 5 new characters I like and he’s at the bottom) If it was including the characters we’ve seen before, then 17 would have been in his place.

      As for Jiren, I really didn’t like him that much at the start. He was just kinda there for me. But as the tournament went on and we seen him go all out and interact with Goku then my love for him started to grow. And the final fight just sealed it. Now he’s my favorite character in all of Super closely followed by Kafla and Black.

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    • NegativeSymptom wrote: Anilaza barely made it on my top 5. The only reason he’s there is because I was only going on my top 5 new characters (the reason he’s 5 is because there are pretty much only 5 new characters I like and he’s at the bottom) If it was including the characters we’ve seen before, then 17 would have been in his place.

      As for Jiren, I really didn’t like him that much at the start. He was just kinda there for me. But as the tournament went on and we seen him go all out and interact with Goku then my love for him started to grow. And the final fight just sealed it. Now he’s my favorite character in all of Super closely followed by Kafla and Black.

      What do you not like about Anilaza?

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    • Nothing, he's great. I just like the other 4 more than him.

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    • NegativeSymptom wrote: Nothing, he's great. I just like the other 4 more than him.

      Fair enough.

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    • These are the ones I've absolutely loved from the start of the series! Note that they are by in rank.

      1. Whis

      2. Zeno (has a cute voice)

      3. Beerus

      4. Goku

      5. Vegeta

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    • HeroOfSacrifice wrote:
      These are the ones I've absolutely loved from the start of the series! Note that they are by in rank.

      1. Whis

      2. Zeno (has a cute voice)

      3. Beerus

      4. Goku

      5. Vegeta

      Did you like any of the new ones from this arc

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    • I guess,no.

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    • HeroOfSacrifice wrote:
      I guess,no.

      Not even one

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    • Manga Jiren vs Anime Jiren who is cooler

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    • Anime Jiren because pictures are better when they move.

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    • It's Frieza the Savage. (Also Jimeze looked cool at first w/ instant transmission until he got beaten up)

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    • Manga Jiren, because he actually does something prior to most of his team getting eliminated. Plus he's far less of a dick there.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: Manga Jiren, because he actually does something prior to most of his team getting eliminated. Plus he's far less of a dick there.

      Yeah in the anime there are parts where I just hate Jiren. He constantly talks down to Toppo and the other Pride Troopers, and literally meditated for multiple episodes instead of knocking out fighters and winning the tournament. In the manga though he actually fights competitors at the beginning, and isn't such a jerk.

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    • EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: Manga Jiren, because he actually does something prior to most of his team getting eliminated. Plus he's far less of a dick there.

      Yeah in the anime there are parts where I just hate Jiren. He constantly talks down to Toppo and the other Pride Troopers, and literally meditated for multiple episodes instead of knocking out fighters and winning the tournament. In the manga though he actually fights competitors at the beginning, and isn't such a jerk.

      Yeah, I probably like the beginning of the tournament Manga Jiren better. We will see later on if this holds true. When Jiren is actually fighting in the anime he is undeniably cool, but I was not a huge of fan of the meditation thing 

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    • What did you guys think of the new Manga chapter?

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:
      What did you guys think of the new Manga chapter?

      I'm dissapointed by the lack of character development and usefulness. Everyone seems to be wayyyy weaker and more pathetic than in anime.

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      Tiger2025 wrote:
      What did you guys think of the new Manga chapter?
      I'm dissapointed by the lack of character development and usefulness. Everyone seems to be wayyyy weaker and more pathetic than in anime.

      I stopped caring about it after Frost's "too soon" elimination.

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    • Toyotaro tried to keep the powerscaling proper in the manga and alter the story from the anime, so a lot of eliminations happen differently and faster.



      Both approaches have good and bad sides if you ask me. 

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    • Toyatoro's approach does mean that fans can choose between realistic scaling and satisfying fights.

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    • Satisfying fights > realistic scaling.

      This is a fight show, not math class.

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    • Venithil wrote:
      Toyotaro tried to keep the powerscaling proper in the manga and alter the story from the anime, so a lot of eliminations happen differently and faster.


      Both approaches have good and bad sides if you ask me. 

      I think it is good that U7 is not that OP, but some fights are way too rushed. Once they found Damon he was instantly taken out which was pretty weird. I agree that both sides have there pluses and benefits. I do like that other Universes get to shine with more than just two eliminations. A First Doomed Universe gave a cool Frost battle and Universe 9 in general actually seemed like they were actually trying. This chapter gave Gamisaras an interesting but overly rushed battle

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    • How do you feel about the Frieza vs U6 Saiyans in the manga

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:

      Venithil wrote:
      Toyotaro tried to keep the powerscaling proper in the manga and alter the story from the anime, so a lot of eliminations happen differently and faster.


      Both approaches have good and bad sides if you ask me. 

      I think it is good that U7 is not that OP, but some fights are way too rushed. Once they found Damon he was instantly taken out which was pretty weird. I agree that both sides have there pluses and benefits. I do like that other Universes get to shine with more than just two eliminations. A First Doomed Universe gave a cool Frost battle and Universe 9 in general actually seemed like they were actually trying. This chapter gave Gamisaras an interesting but overly rushed battle

      Yeah I like how the other universes are actually in the spotlight.

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    • Tiger2025 wrote: How do you feel about the Frieza vs U6 Saiyans in the manga

      I like how they are being handled in th manga. I'm actually surprised Frieza didn't fight more Universe 6 saiyans in the manga.

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    • EH28 wrote:

      Tiger2025 wrote: How do you feel about the Frieza vs U6 Saiyans in the manga

      I like how they are being handled in th manga. I'm actually surprised Frieza didn't fight more Universe 6 saiyans in the manga.

      Yeah, I wonder if he will fight Broly in the upcoming movie

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    • What did you guys think about chapter 38 of the Dragon ball super manga? I personally hated it. I thought it was extremely rushed and they literally just threw away 22 fighters. The power scaling was also incredibly bad, and worse than the power scaling in the anime. This chapter made me like the anime tournament better than the manga. What did you guys think about the chapter?

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    • EH28 wrote:
      What did you guys think about chapter 38 of the Dragon ball super manga? I personally hated it. I thought it was extremely rushed and they literally just threw away 22 fighters. The power scaling was also incredibly bad, and worse than the power scaling in the anime. This chapter made me like the anime tournament better than the manga. What did you guys think about the chapter?

      Yeah its become obvious that Toyotaro hates the tournament of power. Kale one shots Anilaza, takes out 22 fighters, and erases 4 universes. This is some next level trash. I think that chapter 38 made it clear that the anime is far superior. I was just starting to like Kale then this chapter came out. I think this manga tournament needs to be redone it has no respect for any character except Kale who probably shouldn't even exist since Broly is going to be canon

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    • Other than the main characters but this arc exclusively 17 & Jiren

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    • Nah, Kale> Broly

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    • NervousShipper wrote:
      Nah, Kale> Broly

      This chapter made Broly>Kale. Rushed as hell and toddler level writing

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:

      NervousShipper wrote:
      Nah, Kale> Broly

      This chapter made Broly>Kale. Rushed as hell and toddler level writing

      In my opinion very few, if any, characters in the Dragon ball universe are completely horrible. For just about any character there's at least a couple things I find interesting about them. With that being said I have always hated Broly deeply for many reasons(I am still excited about the upcoming DBS movie though, and I think I'll like the new Broly a lot better than the old one), and I don't find anything interesting about him other than Paragus. I do start out disliking characters a lot when they first come out, but overtime I start to like them, sometimes even a lot. For example I used to strongly dislike Jiren, Toppo, Dyspo, and Krillin, but overtime I started to like all those characters. Now the three pride troopers are some of my favorite characters in the franchise. That was the case for Kale. I disliked her, but I started to change my mind and realize she's a pretty good character. Chapter 38 made that go down the drain. I still like Kale a little better than Broly, but this chapter made me strongly dislike her again.

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    • I might have liked Kale if she wasn't blatant Broly pandering. It made it difficult to see her as her own character since so much of her was obviously taken from Broly, unlike Caulifla who was pretty refreshing as DB characters go. Makes her whole presence seem entirely pointless since they ended up bringing the real Broly into the series.

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    • Yeah, Broly being really shy and self loathing and hero worshipping his sister always rubbed me the wrong way.

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    • Arent you funny? Obviously I was talking about Berserker Kale which very clearly mirrored Broly, there were even screenshots of them doing literally the same poses.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: Arent you funny? Obviously I was talking about Berserker Kale which very clearly mirrored Broly, there were even screenshots of them doing literally the same poses.

      Yeah they were pretty similar. I did like Kale better because she wasn't Broly, but I'm not really sure anymore.

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    • NervousShipper wrote:
      Yeah, Broly being really shy and self loathing and hero worshipping his sister always rubbed me the wrong way.

      Caulifla is actually a Paragus figure to Kale. Both attempt to control their respected counterparts to fulfill their goals. Caulifla so Kale can help win the tournament of power and not go completely insane. Paragus so he can exact his revenge on Vegeta and keep Broly sane. Both act as a character that helps the respected counterpart sane. Without Paragus and his control devices, Broly goes completely insane. Without Caulifla, Kale would go insane in the beserker state.

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:

      NervousShipper wrote:
      Yeah, Broly being really shy and self loathing and hero worshipping his sister always rubbed me the wrong way.

      Caulifla is actually a Paragus figure to Kale. Both attempt to control their respected counterparts to fulfill their goals. Caulifla so Kale can help win the tournament of power and not go completely insane. Paragus so he can exact his revenge on Vegeta and keep Broly sane. Both act as a character that helps the respected counterpart sane. Without Paragus and his control devices, Broly goes completely insane. Without Caulifla, Kale would go insane in the beserker state.

      I guess your right. They are kinda similar, I never thought about that. Unlike Broly to Kale however they have many other differences as well.

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    • But Caulifla is far more sympathetic than Paragus. Plus she serves as a foil to Goku, taking many aspects of his personality.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: But Caulifla is far more sympathetic than Paragus. Plus she serves as a foil to Goku, taking many aspects of his personality.

      Paragus does care about Broly. Why else would he put up with him? Your right though. Their personalities are pretty different.

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    • Stryzzar wrote:
      But Caulifla is far more sympathetic than Paragus. Plus she serves as a foil to Goku, taking many aspects of his personality.

      There might be some similarities between Goku and Caulifla, but I believe Paragus shares more similarities with the female Saiyan. Paragus cares about his son a lot if you compare it to other U7 Saiyans who have no care for their families and comrades. Paragus might have tried to leave Broly, but he left after dealing with him for so long. Caulifla was more sympathetic, but so are the U6 Saiyans. You must compare the level of sympathy in respect to the species of the respective universe. There is a reason that Akira Toriyama created Caulifla only after Kale was created by Toei. Caulifla makes Kale a more interesting character just as Broly is boring without Paragus and his goals. The only thing Goku and Caulifla really have in common is a desire to get stronger which is general Saiyan trait and is only highlighted in the anime.

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    • Didn't Paragus want to use Broly for his own selfish desires? Caulifla never did that, she was afraid looking out for and worried about Kale.

      It's not just some similarities, there's a whole list.

      • Both are rude and forward compared to other Saiyans.
      • Both are Saiyans not part of the Galactic organization.
      • Both have older brothers and are close to a shy meek Saiyan with latent power (Gohan and Kale).
      • Both are combat geniuses who adapt and learn very quickly.
      • Both prioritise fighting strong opponents over reason and safety.
      • While Goku is a nice Saiyan in a universe of evil Saiyans, Caulifla is a savage Saiyan in a universe of noble Saiyans.
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    • Stryzzar wrote: Didn't Paragus want to use Broly for his own selfish desires? Caulifla never did that, she was afraid looking out for and worried about Kale.

      It's not just some similarities, there's a whole list.

      • Both are rude and forward compared to other Saiyans.
      • Both are Saiyans not part of the Galactic organization.
      • Both have older brothers and are close to a shy meek Saiyan with latent power (Gohan and Kale).
      • Both are combat geniuses who adapt and learn very quickly.
      • Both prioritise fighting strong opponents over reason and safety.
      • While Goku is a nice Saiyan in a universe of evil Saiyans, Caulifla is a savage Saiyan in a universe of noble Saiyans.

      I would say that Caulifla does play a similar role to Paragus, but their personalities are totally different.

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    • Stryzzar wrote:
      Didn't Paragus want to use Broly for his own selfish desires? Caulifla never did that, she was afraid looking out for and worried about Kale.

      It's not just some similarities, there's a whole list.

      • Both are rude and forward compared to other Saiyans.
      • Both are Saiyans not part of the Galactic organization.
      • Both have older brothers and are close to a shy meek Saiyan with latent power (Gohan and Kale).
      • Both are combat geniuses who adapt and learn very quickly.
      • Both prioritise fighting strong opponents over reason and safety.
      • While Goku is a nice Saiyan in a universe of evil Saiyans, Caulifla is a savage Saiyan in a universe of noble Saiyans.

      Similarities to Paragus:

      • Both try to control the respective Saiyans.
      • Both use the abilities of the Saiyans to help challenge Goku and stronger opponents.
      • Both have a family like bond with their respective friends. (Paragus with Broly relationship might seem dark, but is loving in respect to other U7 relationships).
      • Both use the beserker/power of the Legendary Super Saiyan to further their goals. Cauilfla win Tournament of Power and Paragus get revenge on Vegeta.
      • Both started out in regular Saiyan society, but both seem to reject.
      • Both act as characters for the Kale/Broly character to talk and interact with.
      • Both are smart and cunning.
      • Both add a layer to Kale/Broly that makes them interesting characters.
      • Both have a disrespect for higher authority.

      Yes, Paragus used Broly for his own selfish desires, but Cauilfla also used Kale as a means to fight more powerful opponents. Yes, Goku and Cauilfla have similarities, but I think Paragus has just as much if not more similarities to Cauilfla.

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    • Symbolically yes, she is a stand in for Paragus, but Goku is the more important character which is why they kept pairing her against him. Goku even ended up being Caulifla's teacher.

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:

      Similarities to Paragus:

      • Both use the abilities of the Saiyans to help challenge Goku and stronger opponents.

      Yes, but in this case it's the tournament of holy sh!t everyone we've ever known and loved including each other are going to be erased from existance, so exceptions to regular personality traits are inevitable.

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    • NervousShipper wrote:

      Tiger2025 wrote:

      Similarities to Paragus:

      • Both use the abilities of the Saiyans to help challenge Goku and stronger opponents.

      Yes, but in this case it's the tournament of holy sh!t everyone we've ever known and loved including each other are going to be erased from existance, so exceptions to regular personality traits are inevitable.

      Yeah but Caulifla and Goku are still Saiyans. Saiyan blood makes them like fighting stronger opponents no matter what. Especially Saiyans like Goku and Caulifla, who are less practical than some of their Saiyan friends like Vegeta and Cabba. Why do you think Goku kept trying to fight Jiren throughout the tournament? It was because he was the strongest, so he wanted to face him. Why do you think Caulifla kept trying to fight Goku? Because like her, he's another powerful Saiyan. Yes the erasure factor can change their personality traits, but because Goku and Caulifla have Saiyan blood they want to fight stronger opponents no matter the cost.

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    • EH28 wrote:

      Goku and Caulifla have Saiyan blood they want to fight stronger opponents no matter the cost.

      Which, in this case, makes them worse than Kid Buu.

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    • NervousShipper wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      Goku and Caulifla have Saiyan blood they want to fight stronger opponents no matter the cost.

      Which, in this case, makes them worse than Kid Buu.

      I guess so, but hey Goku managed to win for his team with this. Saiyan blood also makes you get ass pull transformations.

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    • Stryzzar wrote:
      Symbolically yes, she is a stand in for Paragus, but Goku is the more important character which is why they kept pairing her against him. Goku even ended up being Caulifla's teacher.

      I do still think that Toriyama created her as a Paragus stand in as he knew about the Broly movie before the Tournament of Power. All the Goku similarities are created by Toei. I will admit she looks a lot like Gine though, but if you read Dragon Ball Minus Gine is almost nothing like Goku.

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      EH28 wrote:

      Goku and Caulifla have Saiyan blood they want to fight stronger opponents no matter the cost.

      Which, in this case, makes them worse than Kid Buu.

      It could depending on the story

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    • I always thought of her as the Goku to Cabba's Vegeta, just like Jiren is to Goku as Toppo is to Vegeta. The ToP is full of so many foils to the U7 characters.

      Sure she does take Paragus' spot when considering Kale is Broly's counterpart, but there's far more to her than just that.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: I always thought of her as the Goku to Cabba's Vegeta, just like Jiren is to Goku as Toppo is to Vegeta. The ToP is full of so many foils to the U7 characters.

      Sure she does take Paragus' spot when considering Kale is Broly's counterpart, but there's far more to her than just that.

      I would say her personality is similar to Goku's, but she does take Paragus's place. I used to think Hit was like Universe 6's Goku, but she's a lot more like Goku. Hit is more like Universe 6's Piccolo.

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    • Stryzzar wrote:
      I always thought of her as the Goku to Cabba's Vegeta, just like Jiren is to Goku as Toppo is to Vegeta. The ToP is full of so many foils to the U7 characters.

      Sure she does take Paragus' spot when considering Kale is Broly's counterpart, but there's far more to her than just that.

      I guess I see where you are coming from. I always did see Jiren is to Goku as Toppo is to Vegeta. I guess Kale appearance kinda throws off the Cauilfla comparison. Without Kale, she would be the perfect Goku foil, but part of her character is that she is always with Kale. They were even eliminated together.

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    • Yeah exactly. I guess you could say she's what would have happened if Goku took Paragus' spot in looking after Broly.

      @EH28. Now that you mention it I guess Hit does mirror Piccolo. Although tbf Piccolo was meant to be Goku's antithesis too, so it's only natural there are parallels. Basically if Piccolo was the strongest in the universe rather than Goku.

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    • EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: I always thought of her as the Goku to Cabba's Vegeta, just like Jiren is to Goku as Toppo is to Vegeta. The ToP is full of so many foils to the U7 characters.

      Sure she does take Paragus' spot when considering Kale is Broly's counterpart, but there's far more to her than just that.

      I would say her personality is similar to Goku's, but she does take Paragus's place. I used to think Hit was like Universe 6's Goku, but she's a lot more like Goku. Hit is more like Universe 6's Piccolo.

      Yeah, Hit and Piccolo are very similar. Similar personality and relationship to Goku. They also both get jobbed in the tournament

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    • Stryzzar wrote:
      Yeah exactly. I guess you could say she's what would have happened if Goku took Paragus' spot in looking after Broly.

      @EH28. Now that you mention it I guess Hit does mirror Piccolo. Although tbf Piccolo was meant to be Goku's antithesis too, so it's only natural there are. Univer parallels. Basically if Piccolo was the strongest in the universe rather than Goku.

      Interesting point. Most Universe 6 characters are probably meant to be mirrors 

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: I always thought of her as the Goku to Cabba's Vegeta, just like Jiren is to Goku as Toppo is to Vegeta. The ToP is full of so many foils to the U7 characters.

      Sure she does take Paragus' spot when considering Kale is Broly's counterpart, but there's far more to her than just that.

      I would say her personality is similar to Goku's, but she does take Paragus's place. I used to think Hit was like Universe 6's Goku, but she's a lot more like Goku. Hit is more like Universe 6's Piccolo.

      Yeah, Hit and Piccolo are very similar. Similar personality and relationship to Goku. They also both get jobbed in the tournament

      Hit did not job in the tournament, if anything he was comparatively OP compared to his normal levels when fighting against Jiren

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    • NervousShipper wrote:

      Tiger2025 wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: I always thought of her as the Goku to Cabba's Vegeta, just like Jiren is to Goku as Toppo is to Vegeta. The ToP is full of so many foils to the U7 characters.

      Sure she does take Paragus' spot when considering Kale is Broly's counterpart, but there's far more to her than just that.

      I would say her personality is similar to Goku's, but she does take Paragus's place. I used to think Hit was like Universe 6's Goku, but she's a lot more like Goku. Hit is more like Universe 6's Piccolo.

      Yeah, Hit and Piccolo are very similar. Similar personality and relationship to Goku. They also both get jobbed in the tournament

      Hit did not job in the tournament, if anything he was comparatively OP compared to his normal levels when fighting against Jiren

      I don't know if I would say that Piccolo and Hit got jobbed. Hit was the only fighter not on Team Universe 7 that was able to hit Jiren, and he used his full power. Sure Piccolo's elimination was very cheap, but right before he was eliminated he easily defeated Gamisars, and jobbed Shantza.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: Yeah exactly. I guess you could say she's what would have happened if Goku took Paragus' spot in looking after Broly.

      @EH28. Now that you mention it I guess Hit does mirror Piccolo. Although tbf Piccolo was meant to be Goku's antithesis too, so it's only natural there are parallels. Basically if Piccolo was the strongest in the universe rather than Goku.

      Honestly Hit will probably get severely outmatched by Cabba, Caulifla, and Kale for Saiyan fan service, and judging by how easily they get new transformations. Also they could easily make Piccolo powerful again if they just introduce another powerful Namekian that he can fuse with, like how he did with Kami to become the strongest Z Fighter for a bit.

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    • EH28 wrote:

      NervousShipper wrote:

      Tiger2025 wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: I always thought of her as the Goku to Cabba's Vegeta, just like Jiren is to Goku as Toppo is to Vegeta. The ToP is full of so many foils to the U7 characters.

      Sure she does take Paragus' spot when considering Kale is Broly's counterpart, but there's far more to her than just that.

      I would say her personality is similar to Goku's, but she does take Paragus's place. I used to think Hit was like Universe 6's Goku, but she's a lot more like Goku. Hit is more like Universe 6's Piccolo.
      Yeah, Hit and Piccolo are very similar. Similar personality and relationship to Goku. They also both get jobbed in the tournament
      Hit did not job in the tournament, if anything he was comparatively OP compared to his normal levels when fighting against Jiren
      I don't know if I would say that Piccolo and Hit got jobbed. Hit was the only fighter not on Team Universe 7 that was able to hit Jiren, and he used his full power. Sure Piccolo's elimination was very cheap, but right before he was eliminated he easily defeated Gamisars, and jobbed Shantza.

      In the manga, however, Jiren beat Hit in one punch. In the anime Hit was not jobbed he fought with his all and could somewhat damage Jiren

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      NervousShipper wrote:

      Tiger2025 wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: I always thought of her as the Goku to Cabba's Vegeta, just like Jiren is to Goku as Toppo is to Vegeta. The ToP is full of so many foils to the U7 characters.

      Sure she does take Paragus' spot when considering Kale is Broly's counterpart, but there's far more to her than just that.

      I would say her personality is similar to Goku's, but she does take Paragus's place. I used to think Hit was like Universe 6's Goku, but she's a lot more like Goku. Hit is more like Universe 6's Piccolo.
      Yeah, Hit and Piccolo are very similar. Similar personality and relationship to Goku. They also both get jobbed in the tournament
      Hit did not job in the tournament, if anything he was comparatively OP compared to his normal levels when fighting against Jiren
      I don't know if I would say that Piccolo and Hit got jobbed. Hit was the only fighter not on Team Universe 7 that was able to hit Jiren, and he used his full power. Sure Piccolo's elimination was very cheap, but right before he was eliminated he easily defeated Gamisars, and jobbed Shantza.

      In the manga, however, Jiren beat Hit in one punch. In the anime Hit was not jobbed he fought with his all and could somewhat damage Jiren

      I know Jiren wasn't trying, but in the manga Hit still managed to push Jiren back.

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    • I thought the Jiren vs Hit battle was much better in the anime. Hit showcased some all his abilities, and it's the first time Jiren was hit.

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    • EH28 wrote:
      I thought the Jiren vs Hit battle was much better in the anime. Hit showcased some all his abilities, and it's the first time Jiren was hit.

      Yeah it was more of battle in the manga Jiren just one shotted him after he got close to the edge

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    • Who do you guys think will win the Gohan vs Kefla battle in the manga?

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    • Gohan with the new form he should have gotten in the anime

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    • NervousShipper wrote: Gohan with the new form he should have gotten in the anime

      Is he getting a new form in the manga?

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    • Probably not

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    • EH28 wrote:
      Who do you guys think will win the Gohan vs Kefla battle in the manga?

      Kefla, but based on power scaling in recent chapters I would not be surprised if Gohan wins. I think Kefla will beat Gohan. Then she will rush at Jiren and then she will be one shotted off the arena erasing Universe 6. If either side wins people will be mad though

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    • What did you guys think about the newest manga chapter? I personally thought it was downright ridiculous, but what did you guys think?

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    • EH28 wrote:
      What did you guys think about the newest manga chapter? I personally thought it was downright ridiculous, but what did you guys think?

      Better than chapter 38, but downright laughable. It seems like he gave Roshi UI just to troll. He did better against Jiren than Hit and Goku. Powerscaling in the manga:

      Anilaza < Kale < Blue Goku and Golden Frieza < B-Team pride troopers < Super Saiyan Goku < Hit< Kelfa = Gohan < Trio De Dangers <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Master Roshi < Jiren. 

      At least Jiren is still the strongest for now

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    • Ahahahahahha The anime is better! Take that manga nerds!

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    • NervousShipper wrote: Ahahahahahha The anime is better! Take that manga nerds!

      You are 100% right.

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    • NervousShipper wrote:
      Ahahahahahha The anime is better! Take that manga nerds!

      Yeah, the manga has gotten really bad. It makes Super Dragon Ball Heroes make sense

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    • While Toyotaro was doing an alright job of fixing the anime's problems, he really needs to learn to not change stuff that doesn't need fixing.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: While Toyotaro was doing an alright job of fixing the anime's problems, he really needs to learn to not change stuff that doesn't need fixing.

      I loved the manga originally, but I honestly hate the tournament of power manga. I used to think the anime tournament had major problems, but the manga literally made me discard those problems. The anime tournament of power is much better hands down.

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    • EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: While Toyotaro was doing an alright job of fixing the anime's problems, he really needs to learn to not change stuff that doesn't need fixing.

      I loved the manga originally, but I honestly hate the tournament of power manga. I used to think the anime tournament had major problems, but the manga literally made me discard those problems. The anime tournament of power is much better hands down.

      Both aren't that good either way :p

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    • Creeperman129 wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: While Toyotaro was doing an alright job of fixing the anime's problems, he really needs to learn to not change stuff that doesn't need fixing.

      I loved the manga originally, but I honestly hate the tournament of power manga. I used to think the anime tournament had major problems, but the manga literally made me discard those problems. The anime tournament of power is much better hands down.

      Both aren't that good either way :p

      I disagree. The anime tournament of power is by far my favorite saga in Super.

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    • It has good moments (Saonel and Pirinna vs Gohan and Piccolo, Ribrianne, the concept of GoD Toppo) but with most of the arc just being fighting and bland motivating forces like Vegeta repeatedly saying "muh Cabba" I don't think it's really good in terms of storytelling

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    • Creeperman129 wrote:
      It has good moments (Saonel and Pirinna vs Gohan and Piccolo, Ribrianne, the concept of GoD Toppo) but with most of the arc just being fighting and bland motivating forces like Vegeta repeatedly saying "muh Cabba" I don't think it's really good in terms of storytelling

      It seems likes Cabba more than Trunks lets be honest. The Tournament of Power was great, but I was not a fan of the Vegeta moments until the end. I also think the Tournament of Power was the best saga in Super. It was not extremely story driven but it really did not need to be

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:
      Creeperman129 wrote:
      It has good moments (Saonel and Pirinna vs Gohan and Piccolo, Ribrianne, the concept of GoD Toppo) but with most of the arc just being fighting and bland motivating forces like Vegeta repeatedly saying "muh Cabba" I don't think it's really good in terms of storytelling
      It seems likes Cabba more than Trunks lets be honest. The Tournament of Power was great, but I was not a fan of the Vegeta moments until the end. I also think the Tournament of Power was the best saga in Super. It was not extremely story driven but it really did not need to be

      Also, Toppo's transformation development was great they should have done more with it like him erase a Universe despite it being against his code

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:
      Tiger2025 wrote:
      Creeperman129 wrote:
      It has good moments (Saonel and Pirinna vs Gohan and Piccolo, Ribrianne, the concept of GoD Toppo) but with most of the arc just being fighting and bland motivating forces like Vegeta repeatedly saying "muh Cabba" I don't think it's really good in terms of storytelling
      It seems likes Cabba more than Trunks lets be honest. The Tournament of Power was great, but I was not a fan of the Vegeta moments until the end. I also think the Tournament of Power was the best saga in Super. It was not extremely story driven but it really did not need to be
      Also, Toppo's transformation development was great they should have done more with it like him erase a Universe despite it being against his code

      Like I'm not denying that it's the best arc in Super because I think it is too. But being the best in a bad series doesn't make a good story, I think

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    • Creeperman129 wrote:

      Tiger2025 wrote:
      Tiger2025 wrote:
      Creeperman129 wrote:
      It has good moments (Saonel and Pirinna vs Gohan and Piccolo, Ribrianne, the concept of GoD Toppo) but with most of the arc just being fighting and bland motivating forces like Vegeta repeatedly saying "muh Cabba" I don't think it's really good in terms of storytelling
      It seems likes Cabba more than Trunks lets be honest. The Tournament of Power was great, but I was not a fan of the Vegeta moments until the end. I also think the Tournament of Power was the best saga in Super. It was not extremely story driven but it really did not need to be
      Also, Toppo's transformation development was great they should have done more with it like him erase a Universe despite it being against his code

      Like I'm not denying that it's the best arc in Super because I think it is too. But being the best in a bad series doesn't make a good story, I think

      Like I said earlier. The anime and the manga tournament of power had clear issues, but the manga made me forget and forgive all of the anime's issues. In the end the many great fights like U9 vs Goku and Vegeta, Obuni and Rubalt vs Gohan and Piccolo, Maji Kayo vs Dyspo and Jiren, Hermila and Prum vs Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, and Tien, Hit vs Jiren, Saonel and Pirina vs Gohan and Piccolo, Rabanara, Zirloin, and Zarbuto vs Glku and the androids, Katopesla vs Vegeta, Piccolo vs Gamisars, and Shantza, Koitchartor vs Gohan, Anilaza vs U7, Dyspo vs Frieza and Gohan, Toppo vs 17 and Frieza, Toppo vs Vegeta, and the final battle with Jiren were extremely entertaining and memorable fight scenes that the rest of super just didn't really have.

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    • The Hermilla and Prum fight was garbo tho

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    • Creeperman129 wrote: The Hermilla and Prum fight was garbo tho

      I disagree, that fight was great. Sure it was unconventional since it was against snipers, but that's what I like about it. Hermila and Prum just bring a better side of Team Universe 2.

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    • Future Trunks Saga was better IMO despite the terrible ending to it. ToP had a lot of awesome moments, but took too long to get there. Too many characters introduced and too many that I just didn't care about.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: Future Trunks Saga was better IMO despite the terrible ending to it. ToP had a lot of awesome moments, but took too long to get there. Too many characters introduced and too many that I just didn't care about.

      Why do people complain that the actual fighting part of the tournament is to long, but they don't complain that the recruitment section is too long? I honestly think the tournament would have benefited from a couple more episodes. Also I loved that they introduced so many characters. It made it a lot more interesting because there was a big cast of very strong characters. I honestly thought that all the competitors were quite interesting. I personally liked the tournament a lot better, but that is just my opinion.

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    • I mean I think the recruitment saga kinda is eh in how restrictive the time period is and yet how so many people are just revealed to be stronker



      Not to mention some of them are pretty drawn out

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    • Creeperman129 wrote: I mean I think the recruitment saga kinda is eh in how restrictive the time period is and yet how so many people are just revealed to be stronker


      Not to mention some of them are pretty drawn out

      I found a lot of the recruitment saga to be weird, ridiculous, and boring. The only parts I thought were actually interesting were when Goku recruited Frieza, and when they showed other universes.

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    • So many characters but the majority of them were fodder and not given any focus at all. They were just there to be eliminated. Very hard to make me care about a character who had no purpose aside from filling a spot for early erasure. It would have been better to have fewer universes but for each universe to have a larger team, that way more U7 characters could participate too.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: So many characters but the majority of them were fodder and not given any focus at all. They were just there to be eliminated. Very hard to make me care about a character who had no purpose aside from filling a spot for early erasure. It would have been better to have fewer universes but for each universe to have a larger team, that way more U7 characters could participate too.

      I guess you are right for the earlier characters like most of U9, U10, and U4. But later in the tournament I thought most of the characters got decent screen time, and spotlight. And honestly, I thought the anime did a great job of making the erasures emotional. In the manga on the other hand, every single character except for Universe 7, Kale, Caulifla, Toppo, Dyspo, and Jiren were fodder.

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    • It never really did feel like a "Battle royale" either. Just more like a villain of the week thing with Universe 7 just fighting new guys when they want to

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    • EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: Future Trunks Saga was better IMO despite the terrible ending to it. ToP had a lot of awesome moments, but took too long to get there. Too many characters introduced and too many that I just didn't care about.

      Why do people complain that the actual fighting part of the tournament is to long, but they don't complain that the recruitment section is too long? I honestly think the tournament would have benefited from a couple more episodes. Also I loved that they introduced so many characters. It made it a lot more interesting because there was a big cast of very strong characters. I honestly thought that all the competitors were quite interesting. I personally liked the tournament a lot better, but that is just my opinion.

      Yeah, I would have preferred two more episodes of the Universe 7 vs Universe 11 fight than seeing   Roshi somehow get an asspull boost. They should have focused on explaining their growth in power and removed most of this filler. The recruitment was actually weakest of the saga, especially after the Zen Exhibition match. They really only needed one episode for everyone except 17 and Frieza. 17 gets one episode. Frieza gets 1-2 episodes. 

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    • Creeperman129 wrote: It never really did feel like a "Battle royale" either. Just more like a villain of the week thing with Universe 7 just fighting new guys when they want to

      Yeah that's the biggest problem I had with the anime's tournament. It was extremely Universe 7 centered when it was supposed to be about eight different universes. I care a lot less about that now though, after I saw how bad the manga turned out.

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    • EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: So many characters but the majority of them were fodder and not given any focus at all. They were just there to be eliminated. Very hard to make me care about a character who had no purpose aside from filling a spot for early erasure. It would have been better to have fewer universes but for each universe to have a larger team, that way more U7 characters could participate too.

      I guess you are right for the earlier characters like most of U9, U10, and U4. But later in the tournament I thought most of the characters got decent screen time, and spotlight. And honestly, I thought the anime did a great job of making the erasures emotional. In the manga on the other hand, every single character except for Universe 7, Kale, Caulifla, Toppo, Dyspo, and Jiren were fodder.

      Yes, the later fights with Kefla, Hit, Jiren, GoD Toppo .etc were the strong point of the ToP and where it became enjoyable. If the second half was its own Saga then I'd say it was easily the best, but I have to take all the prior stuff into consideration and rank it in accordance.

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    • Stryzzar wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: So many characters but the majority of them were fodder and not given any focus at all. They were just there to be eliminated. Very hard to make me care about a character who had no purpose aside from filling a spot for early erasure. It would have been better to have fewer universes but for each universe to have a larger team, that way more U7 characters could participate too.

      I guess you are right for the earlier characters like most of U9, U10, and U4. But later in the tournament I thought most of the characters got decent screen time, and spotlight. And honestly, I thought the anime did a great job of making the erasures emotional. In the manga on the other hand, every single character except for Universe 7, Kale, Caulifla, Toppo, Dyspo, and Jiren were fodder.

      Yes, the later fights with Kefla, Hit, Jiren, GoD Toppo .etc were the strong point of the ToP and where it became enjoyable. If the second half was its own Saga then I'd say it was easily the best, but I have to take all the prior stuff into consideration and rank it in accordance.

      There was great fights throughout the entire tournament. I thought Obuni and Rubalt vs Gohan and Piccolo was great, so was Saonel and Pirina vs Gohan and Piccolo. I can see why some people wouldn't like the tournament because there are so many characters, but that is one of the reasons why I like it.

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    • EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: So many characters but the majority of them were fodder and not given any focus at all. They were just there to be eliminated. Very hard to make me care about a character who had no purpose aside from filling a spot for early erasure. It would have been better to have fewer universes but for each universe to have a larger team, that way more U7 characters could participate too.

      I guess you are right for the earlier characters like most of U9, U10, and U4. But later in the tournament I thought most of the characters got decent screen time, and spotlight. And honestly, I thought the anime did a great job of making the erasures emotional. In the manga on the other hand, every single character except for Universe 7, Kale, Caulifla, Toppo, Dyspo, and Jiren were fodder.

      In the manga, only About half of U7, Master Roshi, Kale, Frost (kinda of) and Jiren were not fodder. Everyone else was taken out in a panel or less

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    • I'm not really comparing the manga, just the Saga in general.

      And not saying the first half was all bad. There was a scattering of good moments here and there, but I found it very hard to get invested. In fact I stopped watching it episode by episode and only tuned in when I heard there was an interesting fight.

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      Stryzzar wrote: So many characters but the majority of them were fodder and not given any focus at all. They were just there to be eliminated. Very hard to make me care about a character who had no purpose aside from filling a spot for early erasure. It would have been better to have fewer universes but for each universe to have a larger team, that way more U7 characters could participate too.

      I guess you are right for the earlier characters like most of U9, U10, and U4. But later in the tournament I thought most of the characters got decent screen time, and spotlight. And honestly, I thought the anime did a great job of making the erasures emotional. In the manga on the other hand, every single character except for Universe 7, Kale, Caulifla, Toppo, Dyspo, and Jiren were fodder.

      In the manga, only About half of U7, Master Roshi, Kale, Frost (kinda of) and Jiren were not fodder. Everyone else was taken out in a panel or less

      Yeah that's why I dislike it so much. The manga handles characters so poorly. Obuni, Anilaza, Rabanara, Zirloin, Zarbuto, Saonel, Pirina, Maji Kayo, and even Hit were characters that added a lot of intensity and entertainment in the manga, but we're just thrown away in the manga. It's not that just that I think the manga is bad, to me it's just really boring because they threw away all these characters, and others, that added so much intensity to the tournament.

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    • Stryzzar wrote: I'm not really comparing the manga, just the Saga in general.

      And not saying the first half was all bad. There was a scattering of good moments here and there, but I found it very hard to get invested. In fact I stopped watching it episode by episode and only tuned in when I heard there was an interesting fight.

      Yeah I guess I can kinda agree with you. There was some interesting fights, but there was a lot of fights that were just not interesting. I actually didn't start watching the tournament of power until the "Revenge F!? the Cunning Trap!" episode, so I wouldn't really know how interesting the episodes before that were as roughly half an hours blocks, but I did later watch fights like the Obuni and Rubalt battle.

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    • What do you guys think about the voices of the Trio de Dangers' and Toppo?

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    • That they were all snuffed out by saiyans.

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    • NervousShipper wrote: That they were all snuffed out by saiyans.

      I asked about their English voices.

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    • Haven't heard the Trio's voices yet but I like Toppo's

      His name being changed to "Top" is oof though

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    • Creeperman129 wrote: Haven't heard the Trio's voices yet but I like Toppo's

      His name being changed to "Top" is oof though

      Yeah, Toppo's is good and fits him well. I'll have to get used to calling him Top though.

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    • Creeperman129 wrote:
      Haven't heard the Trio's voices yet but I like Toppo's

      His name being changed to "Top" is oof though

      Yeah, I  like the Trios voices so far and Toppo's voice. The name change was necessary though. Funimation dub likes to take o's off of names

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    • The Trio of Dangers should have had more shine

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    • Also, how did you guys feel about Jiren letting Top and Dyspo fall

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    • Tiger2025 wrote: The Trio of Dangers should have had more shine

      Yeah, I agree. I think they're underrated.

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    • Tiger2025 wrote: Also, how did you guys feel about Jiren letting Top and Dyspo fall

      It's really stupid. Another case of the tournament of power manga screwing things up.

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    • EH28 wrote:

      Tiger2025 wrote: Also, how did you guys feel about Jiren letting Top and Dyspo fall

      It's really stupid. Another case of the tournament of power manga screwing things up.

      I agree I think GoD Top was one of the best parts of the tournament of power. It was a big waste

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:

      EH28 wrote:

      Tiger2025 wrote: Also, how did you guys feel about Jiren letting Top and Dyspo fall

      It's really stupid. Another case of the tournament of power manga screwing things up.

      I agree I think GoD Top was one of the best parts of the tournament of power. It was a big waste

      Yeah, God Top could have made the manga much cooler.

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    • Jiren in the manga is officially the most powerful fighter in the Tournament. He reverted Goku into base from MUI in one punch

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    • Tbh MUI in manga was rather a pointless transformation in my opinion. Also... Base Goku/Vegeta >>>>> Powered Up Jiren >> MUI Goku How does this even work?

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    • Meshifuari Arimota wrote:
      Tbh MUI in manga was rather a pointless transformation in my opinion.

      Also... Base Goku/Vegeta >>>>> Powered Up Jiren >> MUI Goku How does this even work?

      The Manga has the worst power scaling ever if you remember Kale was much much stronger than Kefla. This manga nerfed every transformation except Legendary Super Saiyan which is probably the worst of the bunch. At least if the story was good I would let it pass, but the story he tells is pretty ass. Also, he does not change events that are actually crap like Piccolo's elimination. Also for power scaling remember when Roshi>>>>>>>>>>Vegeta>>>>Hit

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    • The manga is going to wrap up soon for the tournament

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    • How did you guys feel about the conclusion of the manga tournament

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    • it can be much cooler.

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    • Eh. It was meh for me.

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    • but not cooler than Cooler

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    • I did enjoy parts of the manga but parts of the anime did things better IMO.

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    • Chrome0X wrote:
      I did enjoy parts of the manga but parts of the anime did things better IMO.

      The only thing I like better was Frost tanking Universe 9 and the Invisible Fighters actually being a threat, but that chapter had some pretty big negatives as well as the pathetic Trio De Dangers elimination

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    • TBH I despised the trio de dangers so I couldn’t care less about them, but that is just me. What I didn’t like in the manga was how few times he went UI and it was very anticlimactic. The anime did have its own issues but this is one thing I really didn’t care for in the manga.

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    • Chrome0X wrote:
      TBH I despised the trio de dangers so I couldn’t care less about them, but that is just me. What I didn’t like in the manga was how few times he went UI and it was very anticlimactic. The anime did have its own issues but this is one thing I really didn’t care for in the manga.

      UI was pretty underwhelming in the manga and I do not expect to see it again in the manga. I have a feeling Toyotaro hated it. I was curious why you hate the Trio De Dangers it seems like more creativity was put into to them than some of the other popular fighters 

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:
      I have a feeling Toyotaro hated it. 

      No wonder I don't like him.

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    • Tiger2025 wrote:

      Chrome0X wrote:
      TBH I despised the trio de dangers so I couldn’t care less about them, but that is just me. What I didn’t like in the manga was how few times he went UI and it was very anticlimactic. The anime did have its own issues but this is one thing I really didn’t care for in the manga.

      UI was pretty underwhelming in the manga and I do not expect to see it again in the manga. I have a feeling Toyotaro hated it. I was curious why you hate the Trio De Dangers it seems like more creativity was put into to them than some of the other popular fighters 

      The Dangers undoubtedly had way more work out in them most other characters, which is disappointing. Mainly they were annoying to me, and they hated Goku for no reason and were so underhanded. Probably mostly a personal thing.

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