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  • Ultra Instinct -sign- i think would be 100x

    Complete UI would be 150-200x

    What do you think?

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    • Sign is stronger than Blue Kaioken so there is no way it is x100. Sign has a vastly superior multiplier than Blue's already insanely high multiplier. And MUI is vastly superior to Sign so..

      If sign was x100 then it would be as strong as SSJ2, which only accomplished slightly moving Jiren's neck.

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    • Sign: Infinity


      Mastered: Infinity ^ Infinity

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    • NegativeSymptom wrote:
      Sign is stronger than Blue Kaioken so there is no way it is x100. Sign has a vastly superior multiplier than Blue's already insanely high multiplier. And MUI is vastly superior to Sign so..

      If sign was x100 then it would be as strong as SSJ2, which only accomplished slightly moving Jiren's neck.

      Ultra instinct is not just about power its about skill too.

      I changed my mind so i think sign would be 1000x.

      mastered would be 2000x.

      I know its weaker then Blue kaioken but theres skill involved.

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    • That would still be weaken than Blue and maybe even God, the multipliers for those forms are insane

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    • NegativeSymptom wrote:
      That would still be weaken than Blue and maybe even God, the multipliers for those forms are insane

      super saiyan blue is stronger then god

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    • Yes I know. Which is why I said “maybe even god” because that’s a weaker multiplier. If it were stronger I wouldn’t say it, I would say “maybe even blue”

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    • You could maybe argue Sign doesn't have to be STRONGER thank Kaioken x10/x20 Blue per se to be as effective as it was, but Mastered Ultra Instinct is definitely the strongest form we've ever seen from a nonfused Saiyan. 



      Then again PLs are bull so we can give up on figuring out multipliers. Doubly so since we can't even figure out ones for SSG and SSB. 

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    • There's a reason for that: In order for multipliers to be a thing, power levels would have to still be a thing. They're not.

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    • It most definitely is stronger than Blue x20. MUI and Sign are stronger than any form we’ve seen period. Including fusions.

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    • Basically :

      KK = base x 2

      KKN = base x N

      SSJ = base x 50

      SSJ2 = SSJ x 2 = base x 100

      SSJ3 = SSJ2 x 4 = base x 400

      I think that :

      SSJG = SSJ x SSJ = base x 50 x 50 = base x 2 500

      SSJB = SSJG x SSJ = base x 2 500 x 50 = base x 125 000

      SUI = SSJB x SSJ = base x 125 000 x 50 = base x 6 250 000

      MUI = SSJB x SSJ2 = base x 125 000 x 100 = base x 12 500 000

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    • Firstly, that’s a huge necrobump. Secondly, multiplier for God and Blue is way too low

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    • Why is it low ? God is enough to make Goku jump to trillions with hundreds of million of base power. That's enormous.

      Blue is even more, he jumps to hundreds of trillions. I see Beerus be in the quadrillions, no more.

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    • That’s a lowball for most of DB community, some of them mainly put SSB Goku at around hundreds of quadrillion to quintillions, or even sextillions. And they put Goku base at around tens of trillions.

      Here are mine (opinion based):

      SSG = SS x SS2 x SS3 (base x 50 x 100 x 400) = base x 2,000,000

      SSB = SSG x SS = base x 100,000,000

      UI Omen = SSB Kaioken X100 = base x 10,000,000,000

      UI = UI Omen X 10 = base x 100,000,000,000

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    • Power levels aren't a thing anymore... although hey had them in the movie

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    • Power levels are a thing, they just aren't the same anymore. Hell in the Buu Saga they moved on to https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Kili which in some media is still being used. Power levels that can't be gauged aren't mentioned though, only multipliers and percentages seem to be mentioned now.

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    • You mean US Dragon Ball community

      If DBS mutipliers were that high, it would be ridiculously different from DB. I'll make a topic about multipliers and levels of fight logic.

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    • AsHiRaFu KAZAMA wrote: You mean US Dragon Ball community

      If DBS mutipliers were that high, it would be ridiculously different from DB. I'll make a topic about multipliers and levels of fight logic.

      Yes I meant us.

      Also, Goku absorbed Super Saiyan God. So are you implying that God Goku was only hundreds of millions of power levels?

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    • I would say that Gokuu with God Ki is 7x base Gokuu. So with SSJ, he's at 350x his base power, his base power being around 200 millions.

      BEERUS IS SUPPRESSING HIMSELF VERY MUCH AGAINST GOKUU.

      SSJG should be the SSJ of the SSJs, no ? So that's why SSJG is 2,500x.

      Next, SSJGSSJ is SSJ form of SSJG so it's 125,000x.

      We can say that, SUI is a SSJB in SSJ so 6 250 000x.

      MUI is like SSJ2 of SSJB so 12 500 000x

      I think that these multipliers are incredibly high compaired to SS3's 400x. 6 250 000x is just enormous, but acceptable !! I don't see other alternatives of my opinions, really. And DBS levels of fight aren't this high compaired to DB and DBZ. Even that there's a large level gap between them.

      I'm not convincing you that it's true, but that I have good ideas.

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    • Wouldn't sign Ultra Instinct be a 1,000,000,000,000x base and mastered Ultra Instinct be a 2,000,000,000,000,000x base

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    • That's just too much, I don't think that Zen'ou is stronger than that...

      Base Gokuu isn't 3 million anymore, he evolves, I think that he's around 200 million in Majin Buu Saga, then it becomes a bit difficult to say how powerful he's in his base form in Super.

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    • Here is Goku’s powerlevel at the Broly Movie (My opinion)

      Base Goku = 3,000,000,000,000,000

      SS Goku = 150,000,000,000,000,000

      SS God Goku = 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      SS Blue Goku = 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      SS Blue Kaioken Goku (Hypothetical) = 600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      UI Omen Goku (Hypothetical) = 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      UI Goku (Hypothetical) = 300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      Fusion Dance/Potara multiplier = A+B x 100,000,000

      Goku (as Gogeta) Base = 600,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      Goku (As Gogeta) SS = 30,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      Goku (As Gogeta) SS Blue (Against Broly FP) = 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      Goku (as Gogeta) SS Blue FP = 60,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      I apologise if I got some of my own multipliers wrong as the numbers are quite high! If you want to, you can share yours.

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    • Okay if you want me to share you my power levels here they are (I'll make a topic with justifications) :

      Multipliers :

      Great Ape = x10

      Kaiou-Ken = x2

      Kaiou-Ken Nx = xN

      God Ki = x7

      Super Saiyan = x50

      Super Saiyan God Ki = x350

      Super Saiyan 2 = x100

      Super Saiyan 2 God Ki = x700

      Super Saiyan 3 = x400

      Super Saiyan 3 God Ki = x2,800

      Super Saiyan God = x2,500

      Super Saiyan Blue = x125,000

      Super Saiyan Blue Kaiou-Ken = x250,000

      Super Saiyan Blue Kaiou-Ken Nx = x125,000 xN

      Super Saiyan Rage = x500

      Super Saiyan Rosé = x125,000

      Super Saiyan Blue Evolution = x2,500,000

      Signs of Ultra Instinct = x6,250,000

      Mastered Ultra Instinct = x12,500,000

      Legendary Super Saiyan = x2,400

      Fusions (between A and B) = AxB

      Battle Powers :

      Gokuu (Tournament of Power / Broly Sagas) = 600 million (600,000,000)

      (God Ki) = 4.2 billion (4,200,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan) = 30 billion (30,000,000,000)

      (God Ki Super Saiyan) = 210 billion (210,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan 2) = 60 billion (60,000,000,000)

      (God Ki Super Saiyan 2) = 420 billion (420,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan 3) = 240 billion (240,000,000,000)

      (God Ki Super Saiyan 3) = 1.68 trillion (1,680,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan God) = 1.5 trillion (1,500,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan Blue) = 75 trillion (75,000,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan Blue Kaiou-Ken x20) = 1.5 quadrillion (1,500,000,000,000,000)

      (Signs of Ultra Instinct) = 3.75 quadrillion (3,750,000,000,000,000)

      (Mastered Ultra Instinct) = 7.5 quadrillion (7,500,000,000,000,000)

      Vegeta (Tournament of Power / Broly Sagas) = 520 million (520,000,000)

      (God Ki) = 3.64 billion (3,640,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan) = 26 billion (26,000,000,000)

      (God Ki Super Saiyan) = 182 billion (182,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan 2) = 52 billion (52,000,000,000)

      (God Ki Super Saiyan 2) = 364 billion (364,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan God) = 1.3 trillion (1,300,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan Blue) = 65 trillion (65,000,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan Blue Evolved) = 1.3 quadrillion (1,300,000,000,000,000)

      Vegito (Zamasu Saga) = 2.1 billion (2,100,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan Blue) = 262.5 trillion (262,500,000,000,000)

      Gogeta (Broly Saga) = 3.1 billion (3,100,000,000)

      (God Ki) = 21.7 billion (21,700,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan) = 155 billion (155,000,000,000)

      (God Ki Super Saiyan) = 1.085 trillion (1,085,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan Blue) = 387.5 trillion (387,500,000,000,000)

      Freeza (Final form, Super Sagas) = 3.8 billion (3,800,000,000)

      (Golden Freeza) = 65 trillion (65,000,000,000,000)

      Hit = 1 quadrillion (1,000,000,000,000,000)

      Zamasu = 30 billion (30,000,000,000)

      Gokuu Black = 493 million (493,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan 2) = 49.3 billion (49,300,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan Rosé) = 61.625 trillion (61,625,000,000,000)

      Zamasu Fusion = 185 trillion (185,000,000,000,000)

      Jiren = 4 quadrillion (4,000,000,000,000,000)

      Broly = 600 billion (600,000,000,000)

      (Contained Great Ape) = 6 trillion (6,000,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan) = 30 trillion (30,000,000,000,000)

      (Super Saiyan (Full Power) aka Legendary aka Berserker) = 180 trillion (180,000,000,000,000)


      Hope it's not too long

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    • May I address that Gogeta and Vegito were confirmed equal, meaning that the multipliers for both Potara and Fusion Dance are equal?

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    • Yup, newest info says the fusions are equal, but the time limits are not.

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    • Oh really ?

      I corrected, but Gogeta (Broly) is stronger than Vegito (Zamasu)

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    • I’m going to change my UI Omen Multiplier along with UI.

      UI Omen = SSG x SSG ( 2,000,000 x 2,000,000 ) = 4,000,000,000,000

      UI = UI Omen x 100 = 400,000,000,000,000

      Goku (Broly Saga, UI Omen Hypothetical) = 12,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      Goku (Broly Saga, UI Hypothetical) = 1,200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      I changed it because it seemed silly to me that Gogeta SSJ could go toe to toe against UI Omen Goku.

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    • I think that Goku MUI is way stronger than Gogeta Blue.

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