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  • Anyone thinks the ultimate god is being way too ridiculous now; I mean I'm sure everyone knows or believes by now there is a god above zeno, but where the hell is he, he needs to show up and take his kid somewhere

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    • Yeeaaahhh, I don't think there is one above Zeno. If there were, he/she would be front and center for the Tournament of Power, and Zeno would have the place of the Grand Priest

      ^As far as ridiculous, imo what we've seen from Zeno is little different from the acts of the other deities/angels- they're not obliged to have the same viewpoints or morality that we do :P

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    • Mushibrow wrote:
      Anyone thinks the ultimate god is being way too ridiculous now; I mean I'm sure everyone knows or believes by now there is a god above zeno, but where the hell is he, he needs to show up and take his kid somewhere

      There is.....he's called Toriyama ok? Yes, Toriyama is character in the DB Multiverse check out his page on the wiki.

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    • We don't know that yet. They're going to try keep Zen-o at the top for as long as they can, just like they did with Beerus. That's assuming a higher god shows up at all.

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    • Stryzzar wrote:
      We don't know that yet. They're going to try keep Zen-o at the top for as long as they can, just like they did with Beerus. That's assuming a higher god shows up at all.

      Uhhhh, yeah we do. Dr. Slump's volume extras are proof. After all, he is called "the Ultimate Ruler of the Dragon World" for a reason. No matter what character more powerful than "the most powerful character in DB" is, Toriyama will always be the more powerful than that because he created them. I actually would like to see Toriyama himself in major appearances later on in Dragon Ball Super.

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    • Not Toriyama, he doesn't physically appear outside of one panel gags. I meant someone non-meta in-universe above Zen-o.

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    • He actually physically appears in the DB Multiverse several times in DB and DBZ, as well as Super and GT. Well, as cameos of cource.

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    • That's what I said. He only appears as gag cameos, he never directly influences the plot and I doubt he will at any point.

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    • Stryzzar wrote:
      That's what I said. He only appears as gag cameos, he never directly influences the plot and I doubt he will at any point.

      Well yeah that's true. But you never know, he might just erase Zen-Oh from existance out of nowhere and declare he is the one true god. You know like Kaguya from Naruto and like Chakravartin from Asura's Wrath. And as you said before, "We don't know that yet. They're going to try keep Zen-o at the top for as long as they can, just like they did with Beerus. That's assuming a higher god shows up at all." You see, at first Whis was the strongest character and that quickly changed after we were introduced to Zen-Oh. So it is no surprise if they scrape at the bottom of the barrel and make Toriyama's character a major character.

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    • The creator's avatar character rarely ever does that. Even guys like The One Above All only shows up to give an occasional "well done guys" or "don't worry, there's still hope". It's all part of their characterization that they only observe and not intervene.

      What I meant by that was a character above Zen-o who isn't Toriyama. The day a series needs the creator to step in to save the characters is a day where all shit would break loose.

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    • Omegafire17 wrote:
      Yeeaaahhh, I don't think there is one above Zeno. If there were, he/she would be front and center for the Tournament of Power, and Zeno would have the place of the Grand Priest

      There's actually one person, the great Akira Toriyama, no man is above him

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    • is zalama ever going to be a thing?

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    • Honestly, if Zalama isn't going to appear in this arc, I doubt we'll ever see him. I mean, would be nice to see him appear and do something rather than use the Dragon Balls to fix everything like usual.

      Personally, I think Zalama isn't necessarily above Zeno or anything, but might form a trinity with him and the Grand Priest.

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    • Timjer wrote: Honestly, if Zalama isn't going to appear in this arc, I doubt we'll ever see him. I mean, would be nice to see him appear and do something rather than use the Dragon Balls to fix everything like usual.

      Personally, I think Zalama isn't necessarily above Zeno or anything, but might form a trinity with him and the Grand Priest.

      I'm pretty sure Zalama isn't above Zeno or even at his level, considering Zeno had zero problem destroying Zamasu and Future Trunks' whole timeline despite being rendered immortal by Zalama's Super Dragon Balls.

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    • However, Zen-chan (XD) should have more morality.

      He erased SIX universes because he was in a bad mood.

      He made the Tournament of Power because he was TIRED TO TAKE CARE OF TWELVE UNIVERSES.

      I mean, how he even came up as Omni King? Erasing all other candidates?

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    • BH Ouji wrote:
      Omegafire17 wrote:
      Yeeaaahhh, I don't think there is one above Zeno. If there were, he/she would be front and center for the Tournament of Power, and Zeno would have the place of the Grand Priest
      There's actually one person, the great Akira Toriyama, no man is above him


      He can erase the entire multiverse by being bored. XD

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    • No, because the mythoverse of DBS is an inherently silly one. It's not meant to be taken seriously, and neither is its deity.

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    • gag characters are never serious they are just that, gags so akira is a character as a gag but not meant to be taken serious. also also zalama being super shenron's creator means jack shart.  just because he created him doesn't mean that Zalama is as powerful as his creation. neither Kami nor Dende can do what shenron can do and cast wishes

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    • TroxyGamer wrote: However, Zen-chan (XD) should have more morality.

      He erased SIX universes because he was in a bad mood.

      He made the Tournament of Power because he was TIRED TO TAKE CARE OF TWELVE UNIVERSES.

      I mean, how he even came up as Omni King? Erasing all other candidates?

      Actually, it's even worse than just being in a bad mood. In the manga, Grand Priest asks him if he's planning on erasing universes again, which implies that his destruction of six universes was for the exact same reason as why he did the Tournament of Power.

      gag characters are never serious they are just that, gags so akira is a character as a gag but not meant to be taken serious. also also zalama being super shenron's creator means jack shart. just because he created him doesn't mean that Zalama is as powerful as his creation. neither Kami nor Dende can do what shenron can do and cast wishes

      Regarding Zalama and Super Shenron, technically, Dende and Kami definitely had to be at least as powerful as what Shenron could do in order to have a say in what kind of wishes Shenron can grant. But I do agree with you on one thing: Super Shenron, and by extension, Zalama DEFINITELY couldn't have been more powerful than Zeno, considering Zeno, you know, erased Infinite Zamasu, who was essentially immortal due to one of his previous components, Future Zamasu, being granted complete immortality via the Super Dragon Balls.

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    • you are both correct and wrong at the same time. kami and dende have to have the correct POWER LEVEL to grant shenron the power to grant wishes but they themselves can not grant wishes. beerus can't grant wishes yet he shenron was completely and utterrly terrorfied of beerus and likewise if beerus wanted to he could most likely create his own shenron

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    • Especially since Beerus is part namekian.

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    • NervousShipper wrote:
      Especially since Beerus is part namekian.

      lmao.


      but he is right though, beerus can't grant wishes but he was obviously powerful than Shenron, Shenrons wish granting abilliry depends on his power concentration but nevertheless he is not stronger than its creator, remember how King Piccolo destroyed it once.

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    • Omegafire17 wrote:
      Yeeaaahhh, I don't think there is one above Zeno. If there were, he/she would be front and center for the Tournament of Power, and Zeno would have the place of the Grand Priest

      ^As far as ridiculous, imo what we've seen from Zeno is little different from the acts of the other deities/angels- they're not obliged to have the same viewpoints or morality that we do :P

      I thinks there would have to be another god above even time and space.... and as you saw with future zen' oh he got duplicated

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    • Weedle McHairybug wrote:

      TroxyGamer wrote: However, Zen-chan (XD) should have more morality.

      He erased SIX universes because he was in a bad mood.

      He made the Tournament of Power because he was TIRED TO TAKE CARE OF TWELVE UNIVERSES.

      I mean, how he even came up as Omni King? Erasing all other candidates?

      Actually, it's even worse than just being in a bad mood. In the manga, Grand Priest asks him if he's planning on erasing universes again, which implies that his destruction of six universes was for the exact same reason as why he did the Tournament of Power.

      As the wise C-3PO said once:

      "We're doomed"

      Zeno will end up erasing all universes, including Universe 11, and then...

      We're doomed.

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