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  • I was really hesitant on doing this because I wrote a parody song about DB to make fun of both Jake Paul and DB and then it got deleted by a virus in my laptop. But, once regaining my confidence and by realizing that I should've gotten anti-malware (Not sure if I will ever do that) I decided why not type a forum and maybe infect the whole website with it too.... so here's the forum

    After seeing several ignorant users fanboying over DBS even though to me is the most stupidest show that ever aired on TV (seriously, it turned the concept of Battle of Gods into a joke) I kept thinking on why they value Super over GT and the movies, the true classics even though some are awful (which is the main reason why fans call shows besides DBS non-canon). I mean, why? Why out of anything do you people like this garbage?

    Before I rant about how DB Super is the worst thing to ever exist in DB. Lemme tell you Toriyama's REAL continuation after DBZ. Several years in the future, the world is a growing utopia of martial arts. Various civilizations have thrived such as the birth of the Majin race due to Buu discovering how to reproduce and find love, Krillin, Gohan, Tien, Trunks and Goten, and Pan have developed schools that are very popular. Now, the Earth isn't as tecnological as before, which is a good thing considering how much we pollute and ruin our Earth today. There has also been several Dragon Balls installed by Dende in order to protect the world, making the Earth a somewhat good place. However, the Earth of Age 1000 is divided into pieces and there are a lot of evil organizations such as the Dark Namekians, the Red Pants Army, the Frieza Army (remnants still exist even if Sorbet is dead), the Paella Gang, and the most threatning of them all the Time Breakers. With the help of Future Trunks along with Dende, you the hero have to take care of all of these organizations and put them at bay and correct the damage the Time Breakers have done. Is that a good story to you? Much better than what we got in DBS BY A LONG SHOT. Even the Goku Black Arc is no match for this story. Yet no one appreciates Online anymore and considers the whole time period to be "non-canon". Why is that? It is written by Toriyama and has a great story behind it, all reasons you call movies that are just as questionable as GT such as History of Trunks and Bardock: Father of Goku. It even has inspired other people such as Dimps to create a new story based off of this called Dragon Ball Xenoverse that does the story well. Though unfortunately, like Resurrection 'F', after the sequel of Xenoverse turned Toriyama's vision into a joke. Maybe that's why you people consider the Xeno period "non-canon". Though they have made it all up by offering DB Heroes into the mix with interesting concepts that we can take seriously and not as a joke of their former selves (as well as not escalating things too fast like Super has). Now that I've given the amazing story of Online and Heroes, lemme tell you why you're true intrest known as Dragon Ball Super is the most bullsh** show ever came to life.

    First of all, everyone in it is a shell of their former selves. Like Vegeta is just a wannabe loser becasue he literally loses ALL THE TIME. Future Trunks is literally just the wannabe hero who screws up all the time and now his "protect the future" talk is so repetitive and annoying, you can literallly create a drinking game out of it. I mean, the whole "Future" Trunks Arc should be renamed to WHY'D YOU DO IT TRUNKS?! or TRUNKS MESSES UP AGAIN becasue Future Trunks is either regretting what he did, losing, or just standing in the background reling on Big Daddy Vegeta and Goku to save the day. It's only worse when they tried to make him relevant with SS Rage, his abliity to heal, or that Spirit Bomb Ex-Machina. Oh man, and don't get me started on Goku. Oh yeah, bow down to the TRUE ALMIGHTY GOD of this multiverse. As Goku beats Vegeta and holds his own without any help and he doesn't lose miserably. And even then Goku can be just as unlikable as the other characters. For example, Goku for some reason is not only lacking common sense, but is now a complete amnesiac. I mean seriously, how can we like Goku or take him seriously if he keeps forgetting stuff EVERY SINGLE TIME. He keeps forgetting not to let his guard down, forgets the Senzu Beans, forgets he has an ALMIGHTY BUTTON IN HIS POCKET, and forgets the talisman for the Mafuba in the anime. Not to mention, Goku is devoided of any other personality except his love to fight increasing more than ever. I swear man, Goku having the spotlight has not changed a bit. Even with the side character episodes, it is mostly just filler nobody cares about and the manga has none of these as of now. 

    Seond of all, the sagas we got so far after the movies are tournaments, and ONLY ONE ACTUAL INTENSE SAGA THAT IS THE WHOLE REASON WHY EVERYONE WATCHES SUPER IN THE FIRST PLACE. My God, you don't know how much Zamasu cancer there is EVEN TODAY. And even that arc is SOOOO OVERRATED. First, the main villain is just Goku, but tanner and evil. Second, there are so many plotholes and confusing concepts that none of us can still figue out today. And third, the ending is total bullsh** and so poorly written you wonder if Toriyama was high or not becasue he actually wrote that part. The part where Zamasu goes Ego the Living Planet and spreads like the cancer he is and Zen-Oh destroys him. Like seriously Toriyama you had a thing going with Trunks to save the day and you just ruined it by having it killed by a cop out. I mean I liked the Future Trunks Arc, AT FIRST. But after American writers like DC decided to create their own version of Goku Black  and rubbed it right in our faces, I felt disgusted as Toriyama basically stole plot elements from Terminator, Kingdom Hearts, and Star Wars in order to make a good story like really, Super had to go all tryhard wannabe in order to get fans to watch their dumb show. And don't get me started on the Tournament of Power, a literal walking walking fanservice arc that has more underdeveloped characters we did not ask for.

    Lastly, Super's new characters are AWFUL. The only good chraracters in Super are Beerus and Whis, both who appeared in the movie. And no, Hit is not an interesting character AT ALL. He's just your stereotypical Hitman with no emotions and is only there to be Goku's new rival. I don't even need to talk about Zamasu as I said it above. The rest are just so terrible that I don't even remember what the heck they did to make the show run.

    This is why DB Super to me sucks and I honestly think Heroes and Online is much better and worthy to be canon than that garbage. And I honestly think that you should be editing stuff about Heroes more, especially the manga. If you guys think DB Super is good, name one good iconic moment and one actually decent character and then I will change my mind.

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    • Hmm....I am thinking of doing maybe a weekly post debunking myths in this fanbase. Maybe something like "Adam Ruins Everything" from College Humor and Tru TV. I don't know what do you guys think? I mean I would like other people at my side as well.

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    • You should have gotten Protegent to protect your computer :>. Anyways, I believe that the Xeno timeline is underrated, and theres also the fact that it has several game series' already, so it's story is pretty developed(Dragon Ball Online, Dragon Ball Xenoverse, and Dragon Ball Heroes). I like the idea of the story of fixing time distortions and feel the demons being really good villains compared to Super villains.

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    • your comment is horrible is the worst thing that can have all the franchise of dragon ball besides that is subjective and very poor besides that you use many fallacies and this very misrepresented the super villains who have only been freezer and zamasu are very interesting then you criticizes dbs are poor and misrepresented that you are only a pseudo-intellectual who only wants to draw attention if you knew that the games use the history of super and worst of all is that you say fan when you are only a nostalgic rat who does not know the original manga the super or the first dragon ball super anime is already a success within the top 10 of the most watched anime and leave very late to gt that was canceled and cut by its low audience then it seems that you are mental retarded who believe toriyama does all the anime when it is not so any fan knows that in fact the history of xeno is not underestimated since it only takes over the history already made but putting travel in time or is more than my so the story of the anime super is interesting more than gt and many non-canonical material and that akira is not 100% in the anime if not the manga should investigate more instead speak for talking stupid things as I said your comment they are subjective and devoid of solid bases that can not do truth and the worst thing that wants to make an absolute truth your comment is the worst thing that has a nostalgic pseudofan and rat of dragon ball that only wants to draw attention with poor and meaningless arguments who then wants to feel superior than pathetic



      Pd: already in the anime that the protagonists face their evil counterpart that in fact is very common in anime and it is logical that dragon ball will use

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    • are you talking to me?

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    • Gohan34652 wrote:
      your comment is horrible is the worst thing that can have all the franchise of dragon ball besides that is subjective and very poor besides that you use many fallacies and this very misrepresented the super villains who have only been freezer and zamasu are very interesting then you criticizes dbs are poor and misrepresented that you are only a pseudo-intellectual who only wants to draw attention if you knew that the games use the history of super and worst of all is that you say fan when you are only a nostalgic rat who does not know the original manga the super or the first dragon ball super anime is already a success within the top 10 of the most watched anime and leave very late to gt that was canceled and cut by its low audience then it seems that you are mental retarded who believe toriyama does all the anime when it is not so any fan knows that in fact the history of xeno is not underestimated since it only takes over the history already made but putting travel in time or is more than my so the story of the anime super is interesting more than gt and many non-canonical material and that akira is not 100% in the anime if not the manga should investigate more instead speak for talking stupid things as I said your comment they are subjective and devoid of solid bases that can not do truth and the worst thing that wants to make an absolute truth your comment is the worst thing that has a nostalgic pseudofan and rat of dragon ball that only wants to draw attention with poor and meaningless arguments who then wants to feel superior than pathetic


      Pd: already in the anime that the protagonists face their evil counterpart that in fact is very common in anime and it is logical that dragon ball will use

      Hello! Thank you for your comment, you're the first person to finally speak the truth about this and it has helped me learn a little bit on how people rant nowadays, your reply is most appreciated. But yes, lets settle this in a more "civil" term from now on because I have got myself a person who's willing to argue since you are that willing to defend Super. The comment I made for the foum was yes greatly exaggerated and was obviously a huge rant of how Super is bad and Online is good and you're not wrong, my statement was biased and subjective though I was giving my own opinion and view on how Dragon Ball Super is bad in my perspective. Though I should've been more specific to what I was talking about so sorry about that. And also, you are right about how I do want attention and I generally like attention but who doesn't? We are a social species for crying out loud! Even a day in confinement can drive you crazy and if you don't have attention or be in a social community for a certain amount of time, it could result in permanent brain damage.[1] I'm human dude, we all are, without attention or social activity we'd be dead. I'm getting a bit off topic, let's just get to the main topic

      Ok, so I said that I would try to settle this dispute in a more "civil" manner and so I will. Tell me, what makes Super so good, and much better compared to GT or any other material besides Z and DB? What iconic moments were in Super that you could note? Anything good you would like to talk about the new forms? What about the inconsistancies, the power scaling in the show, or the lower quality art/animation early on? What do you think about those? What is your favorite new character in Super and why, and please give a good in deph character anaylisis becuase that helps me understand you know and love the character like the back of your hand. What about the old characters in Super? Do you think the side characters are given enough representation? Do you think they have changed in any way? What about the humor and wit of Dragon Ball Super? Does it exist and if it does, is the clever wit and humor as good as DB and DBZ? And yes, I know that Toriyama does not write the anime but he does contribute to the anime as well, he assisted Toei on the filler stories in DBZ. The reason that I said Toriyama wrote that Infinite Zamasu event is because Toyotaro also implemented Infinite Zamasu in the manga as well, except he was a bunch of clones instead of a bodiless entity. But yeah, take your time with these questions and I am asking you these because it's better when I know the other perspective in order to argue with you. So please answer them, take your time, and have a great day.

      1. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2009/03/30/hellhole
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