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  • Sup ya'll! Fisrt time doin this so I hope you find it interesting. I just wanted to talk about the saiyans tails. I just still can't grasp why they're gone. I find it's a waste of a signiture trait. I mean, I know the tail ain't really that useful anymore.The ssj transformations replace the need to go great ape. But to me, that doesnt mean they cant have them. They could be there just to be there. Lots of animated characters have stuff they dont need.

    The reason I wrote this is because I feel without the tails, the saiyans look too normal. Considering these arent normal people.They're aliens.They can fly and shoot energy. At first look, you wouldnt think anything of them until they did that stuff. The tails letted people these were saiyans.

    Still, even without the tails, the saiyans are super tight! They're still powerful beings and can take on anything that comes at them. I'll miss the tails, but not the people. I'm still be a dragonball fan no matter what!

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    • Toriyama didn't want to keep doing the Oozaru transformation. It would've been redundant and too hard to keep track of when the full moon would appear. The easiest solution was to get rid of them all together.

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    • I think its a shame that they lost their tails.

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    • Creeperman129 wrote:
      Toriyama didn't want to keep doing the Oozaru transformation. It would've been redundant and too hard to keep track of when the full moon would appear. The easiest solution was to get rid of them all together.

      He didnt really have to get rid of them. If he didnt want to use Oozaru anymore, all he had to do was stop using it. Didn't have to get rid of the tails to do that.

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    • Yeah, I agree with Jegeta20.

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    • If you happen to be looking for an in-universe explanation, it was probably because (1) they got permanently removed, just like Kami did with Goku (2) the tails would get in the way during fighting (2) they'd stand out in society with tails and be labeled as "freaks" (this point goes in particular to the partial saiyans like Gohan, Trunks, Goten, Pan and Bulla)

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    • Jegeta20 wrote:
      The reason I wrote this is because I feel without the tails, the saiyans look too normal. Considering these arent normal people.They're aliens.They can fly and shoot energy.

      That trait isn't exactly unique to saiyans, you know. Humans have been shown time and time again to be able to fly and shoot ki blasts, after some basic training of course.

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    • But Goku was born with a tail and no one ever called him a freak.

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    • Yeah, they did. Bulma did when she found out it was real, and Krillin called him a weirdo after finding out he used to have a tail (granted, he thought Goku was weird before anyway, but my point still stands).

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    • Ok true, but it never bothered Goku.

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    • Its sad that the people of East City were never revived.

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    • I liked them when they had tails.

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    • Me too. As a Saiyan I'd keep my tail.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      Ok true, but it never bothered Goku.

      I never mentioned that it bothered Goku.

      Anyways, I like the look of the tails on the characters, but I don't think it really makes much sense for them to have them.

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    • I think it does.

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    • How so?

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    • Because Saiyans are often called monkeys and Goku was based on a monkey king.

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    • Appreciate your thoughts everyone. Didnt think it would pick up so fast.

      I can see using flight and ki blasts would be bad examples. So how bout this.Cabba, the saiyan from univesre 6.Would you have guessed he was a saiyan at first sight? No, you wouldnt had. That's why I feel they should have the tails. With them, you'd know right then what they are.

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    • Yeah that's true.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      Because Saiyans are often called monkeys and Goku was based on a monkey king.

      Maybe from an "out-of-universe" perspective, but from "in-universe," why would the characters want to have them? That's what I mean by it doesn't make sense for them to still have tails.

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    • The tail is a great asset.

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    • Not when your opponent grabs onto it.

      Plus, there's just no need to go Great Ape anymore (besides for in GT, but that's most likely been retconned).

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    • Are you forgetting the fact that tails can be trained?

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    • Plus losing the tail is losing a piece of yourself.

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    • Training your tail doesn't mean you're going to be able to stop it from getting squeezed, or prevent someone from grabbing it and getting thrown around with it. Not having that tail means one less thing to worry about.

      And once again, what uses do the characters have for them? They have Super Saiyan now, and SS4 definitely isn't making a comeback.

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    • So should races that have tails just cut it off then? And can't that tail squeezing weakness be removed with training?

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    • having a tail would make them more..... well Saiyan like. plus, the tail is the part of them. its like cutting off Beerus' tail. also, they can have their tails wrapped around their waist when they are fightning.

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    • Dimension Creator wrote:
      So should races that have tails just cut it off then? And can't that tail squeezing weakness be removed with training?

      1) Sure, why not? If they're hardcore fighters like the saiyans, and don't need it for any transformations, then it's probably wise to have them removed.

      2) Not that I know of. And once again, the tail can be a way for your enemy to grab you from afar and toss you around.

      Just not worth having, other than looking cool.

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    • What makes little sense to me is why would toriyama give them the tails only to get rid of them later on. If he didnt want them to have tails, he shouldnt have given them to the saiyans in the first place.

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    • Jegeta20 wrote:
      What makes little sense to me is why would toriyama give them the tails only to get rid of them later on. If he didnt want them to have tails, he shouldnt have given them to the saiyans in the first place.

      People change their minds about things, Goku wasn't originally a Saiyan and based on Sun Wukong...the list goes on

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    • TyphlosionX wrote:

      Dimension Creator wrote:
      So should races that have tails just cut it off then? And can't that tail squeezing weakness be removed with training?

      1) Sure, why not? If they're hardcore fighters like the saiyans, and don't need it for any transformations, then it's probably wise to have them removed. 2) Not that I know of. And once again, the tail can be a way for your enemy to grab you from afar and toss you around.

      Just not worth having, other than looking cool.

      Actually TyphlosionX Goku revealed that he started training his tail in Dragon Ball after he got tired of people grabbing it, and in Dragon Ball Z Kai Vegeta revealed that he and Nappa trained their tails so that it wouldn't be a problem. If you don't believe me I can link you to videos as proof of my word.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:

      TyphlosionX wrote:

      Dimension Creator wrote:
      So should races that have tails just cut it off then? And can't that tail squeezing weakness be removed with training?
      1) Sure, why not? If they're hardcore fighters like the saiyans, and don't need it for any transformations, then it's probably wise to have them removed.

      2) Not that I know of. And once again, the tail can be a way for your enemy to grab you from afar and toss you around.

      Just not worth having, other than looking cool.

      Actually TyphlosionX Goku revealed that he started training his tail in Dragon Ball after he got tired of people grabbing it, and in Dragon Ball Z Kai Vegeta revealed that he and Nappa trained their tails so that it wouldn't be a problem. If you don't believe me I can link you to videos as proof of my word.

      He means that people can still grab it and, like, punch them while stuck in the same place.

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    • True but Frieza has a tail and has gotten flung around by it but he never lost his tail, so that argument kinda doesn't work. Then again that example doesn't prove my point either. But it still begs the question. If tails are such a drag, then why don't all those warriors with tails lose them hmm?

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      True but Frieza has a tail and has gotten flung around by it but he never lost his tail, so that argument kinda doesn't work. Then again that example doesn't prove my point either. But it still begs the question. If tails are such a drag, then why don't all those warriors with tails lose them hmm?

      That's what I'm saiyan!!Why have them if they're no good.

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    • Because Frieza and Beerus are cocky. They believe they're so powerful that they don't need to work on their weaknesses (especially Frieza). This trait doesn't hold true for the current saiyans, especially Goku and Vegeta.

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    • What about Janemba, Hirudigarn, and Maraiako? And not all current Saiyans have no tail. Tarble does.

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    • TyphlosionX wrote:
      Because Frieza and Beerus are cocky. They believe they're so powerful that they don't need to work on their weaknesses (especially Frieza). This trait doesn't hold true for the current saiyans, especially Goku and Vegeta.

      Frieza and Beeruss' tails arent exactly a weakness for them. Frieza got his tail cut off and he was fine.

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    • That's true. I still think that the cutting off the tails was a bad idea.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      That's true. I still think that the cutting off the tails was a bad idea.

      Yeah, it was.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      What about Janemba, Hirudigarn, and Maraiako? And not all current Saiyans have no tail. Tarble does.

      Janemba? Sure, it would've been smart to cut it off, but as we all know, Janemba is almost a completely mindless demon, so no dice.

      Hirudigaen was a giant moster, so you could neither squeeze nor grab his tail.

      I don't know who the third one you mentioned is, so would you please be so kind to update me on that one?

      Tarble isn't a fighter, that was made clear by his backstory. He wouldn't want to remove his tail because he's not a fighter like his brother and Goku. Thus, no need to have it removed. Plus, he obviously didn't not know about Super Saiyan, and would still want to transform into a Great Ape just in case.

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    • Jegeta20 wrote:
      TyphlosionX wrote:
      Because Frieza and Beerus are cocky. They believe they're so powerful that they don't need to work on their weaknesses (especially Frieza). This trait doesn't hold true for the current saiyans, especially Goku and Vegeta.
      Frieza and Beeruss' tails arent exactly a weakness for them. Frieza got his tail cut off and he was fine.

      Since when did I say having the tail being cut off is a weakness in of itself? I said having the tail is a weakness.

      If I'm not mistaken, he got tossed by the tail at least once or twice through out the series. I suppose his tail has also shown to work as a weapon though (unlike Saiyan tails) so I suppose the good and the bad evens itself out there.

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    • Raditz used his tail as a weapon against Krillin, plus Gohan used his tail to catch on to a tree limb so it has its uses.

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    • Gohan is a bad example, since he, along with the other saiyans, can fly now. But you have a point with Raditz.

      Still, I think the bad out weights the good, but that's just a matter of opinion.

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    • Yeah and your entitled to it.

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    • As for you too. ^__^

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    • Yup, and we can agree to respect the other's opinions. As we both have valid reasons for our opinions.

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    • Btw, who is Maraiako? You mentioned them earlier, and I'm still left in the dark there. :/

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    • Maraiako is a dragon like alien who trained under West Kai.

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    • When I looked him up and put DBZ at the end of it, I got a fanfiction called "Welcome to the afterlife, son!". Unless he means Murasaki with his short appearence with the Power Pole tail :P

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    • I always found the great apes to be the most terrifying parts of dragon ball. especially when ga vegeta was crushing goku to death. i would love it if they could make one more comeback in db super they have appeared in every other anime, ball, z and gt.


      Like if black turns into one with the god like essence in his body. it would be interesting and poetic. the great ape form was used by the saiyans to destroy civiliazations and planets with stronger then average lifeforms too much for their normal forms to handle. 

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    • Jegeta20 wrote:
      Sup ya'll! Fisrt time doin this so I hope you find it interesting. I just wanted to talk about the saiyans tails. I just still can't grasp why they're gone.

      Yeah and the true reason Trunkses and Goten doesn't have a tail is becuase Toriyama forgot about them http://www.daizex.com/general/ask/archive/2003_10_12.shtml#6

      Of course you could say Trunkses and Bra lost their tails by Bulma (who saw the Oozaru and fears it), however Chi-Chi seeing Gohan oozaru is filler, so i don't know why Pan nor Goten doesn't have tails

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    • BH Ouji wrote: however Chi-Chi seeing Gohan oozaru is filler,

      When was that?

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    • 0551E80Y wrote:
      BH Ouji wrote: however Chi-Chi seeing Gohan oozaru is filler,
      When was that?

      Episode 35 i think

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    • I read that sometimes a Saiyan might be born without a tail.

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    • We Saiyans are natural born warriors.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I read that sometimes a Saiyan might be born without a tail.

      Well, all Universe 6 Saiyans are born without tail.

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    • True.

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    • Hulk10 wrote:
      I read that sometimes a Saiyan might be born without a tail.

      Well that only implies to strong saiyans (yep, Broli was born with a tail)

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    • I remember Broly was born with a tail.

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