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Suggest an alternate name. Zenkai events occur in the Japanese manga, we're obviously not making it up. {{User:10X_Kamehameha/sig5}} 21:08, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
 
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:He was referring to the name. Obviously Saiyans get stronger but there is no canon stuff that confirms the name is Zenkai. You could say he's saying you made up the fact its official name is Zenkai.[[User:Cloudtheavenger|Cloudtheavenger]] ([[User talk:Cloudtheavenger|talk]]) 08:31, December 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
==Goku got one against Beerus in Dragon Ball Super?==
 
==Goku got one against Beerus in Dragon Ball Super?==

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Good job guys!SaiyanElite 16:00, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

The page

This page has a lot of info, it just needs some more images. But its a very good artikel very good written too!

Good Job guys!SaiyanElite 16:01, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Vegeta's Power Level

I find it very hard to believe that Vegeta's power level rose to 530,000 right after being beaten to near death by Recoome and then eating a senzu bean. If this was true, Vegeta would have been able to effortlessly kill Krillin, Gohan, all of the Ginyu Force and Goku with one blast. It's hard to imagine Vegeta being amazed at the under-90,000 power level Goku was showing off when fighting Recoome, Jeice and Burter if he was over 5 times stronger than that. Of course, even if we do assume that it was closer to 75,000 (based on the fact that he easily killed Jeice, who was somewhere in the 60,000 range), it still leaves the question of how it magically jumped to 530,000 when fighting First Form Frieza. The only possible explanation I could come to was that this particular Zenkai took a long time to happen, perhaps accelerated by Vegeta resting. Talk about a power nap. 75.162.212.156 01:58, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

We appreciate your judgements and reasoning but we have to go by the facts. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 02:04, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

Yatanograsu's edit

If I recall correctly, Vegeta did say that self-inflicted harm wouldn't cause a zenkai; Yatanograsu's right in my opinion. Knock knock.BuuWho's there? uuuBuu. uuuBuu who? uuuDon't cry, uuu!!we all have to die sometime. 03:28, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to leave this here: http://i12.mangapanda.com/dragon-ball/270/dragon-ball-69079.jpg


In my version (Viz) of the manga it says "Around and around he goes...working his body and chi almost to death and then refreshing himself by eating the senzu...as the seven beans given to him by Master Karin are already down to three. Whether he realizes it or not, Goku is living and reliving one of the primal cycles of the Saiyans...gaining strength by facing and overcoming death!"

Later, Vegeta says "Beat me to within an inch of my life!!! It won't work if I try to kill myself!!! You have to do it!!!"

Basically, the distinction between Vegeta's situation and Goku's is that Goku was training. The self-harm that he inflicted upon himself was a part of his training, for stamina/endurance/durability/toughness, which is different from Vegeta just blasting himself out of nowhere to be able to heal and be stronger.

To put it another way, Vegeta's method of having Krillin blast was taking direct advantage of the Zenkai ability, by having Krillin nearly kill him, and then being healed by Dende.

Goku was just doing regular training, which anyone, including non-Saiyans can improve from (like how Shaolin monks kicked trees to strengthen their shins). Where the Zenkai ability comes in for Goku is that Goku did that type of training so much that he nearly died. It wasn't the Kamehamehas themselves that nearly killed him, it was his training in general,

Goku SS3Shakuran13Tapion with bladeThisDragonFistGokuHirudegarnMovie13endsKonatsian wizard with effectsNOW!SS3Rush 18:30, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Vegeta wouldn't have been able to beat himself enough to near death in the short time they had before Frieza completed his transformation. That's why he asked Krillin, not because self harming himslef to near death wouldn't have activated the Zenkai. ShulabyninjaJeangabinTalkContribDaburawrh 18:47, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Vegeta could have blasted himself just as Krillin did, though. Goku SS3Shakuran13Tapion with bladeThisDragonFistGokuHirudegarnMovie13endsKonatsian wizard with effectsNOW!SS3Rush 18:53, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Speculation: maybe Vegeta's body's defensive instincts activate when others harm him, like a body naturally fatigued by training is aware of that fatigue, but if he harmed himself then his natural defenses would be down and would not kick in. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 22:26, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

It's very possible, but in the end it comes to the same thing that I pointed out earlier, right? Goku SS3Shakuran13Tapion with bladeThisDragonFistGokuHirudegarnMovie13endsKonatsian wizard with effectsNOW!SS3Rush 23:05, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion it's unclear. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 23:26, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Then I guess we should just not say anything at all about this particular topic on the article. Goku SS3Shakuran13Tapion with bladeThisDragonFistGokuHirudegarnMovie13endsKonatsian wizard with effectsNOW!SS3Rush 23:45, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Vegeta

At the moment the page says that Vegeta can see Frieza's Death Beams, could we add that Piccolo can't see the beams meaning that Vegeta has a higher PL than Piccolo who was on par with frieza's second form which had a PL of one million and so Vegeta went from around 530,000 to over a million? Ultra Buugetto (talk) 20:17, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

Sight does not correlate directly to power level. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 21:19, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

The name

"Zenkai". Is the Saiyan's ability to become stronger after healing from near death ever actually called Zenkai in any databook or anything of the like? I've never seen it used in the manga, and I don't think a databook has it. Did you lot make the name up or is it actually official?--Mina Țepeș (Enter the Bund) 20:09, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

Read the article for info like this. The trivia section points out the only time this ability was given an official name, "Zenkai", was in a DBZ anime ending theme song. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 22:40, May 7, 2015 (UTC)

And it is also used in the Japanese title of episode 46, Gokū pawā Zenkai!! Ginga no Hate made Muikakan. Yakon RenderSandubadearPui Pui Render 21:04, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Therefor it must be canon and a reliable term. My goodness this is what I was completely ripping you on. Ironically both of the same apologists on the same forum. Stopping any change to this wiki. I'm done with this wiki. You two are the reason that this wiki is a joke. You guys expect me to debate using logic with people who've inserted premise that goes contrary to that. This is an absolute joke. Cmpukesy (talk) 13:18, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Suggest an alternate name. Zenkai events occur in the Japanese manga, we're obviously not making it up. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 21:08, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

He was referring to the name. Obviously Saiyans get stronger but there is no canon stuff that confirms the name is Zenkai. You could say he's saying you made up the fact its official name is Zenkai.Cloudtheavenger (talk) 08:31, December 5, 2015 (UTC)

Goku got one against Beerus in Dragon Ball Super?

Goku seems to have gotten one because he was at near death last episode and before then Goku was a lot weaker then Beerus. However in Episode 12 after recovering they're now even. Goku also said in Episode 11 "I'll show you the true power of a Super Saiyan God". So did Goku get one against Beerus?Teengohanrocks (talk) 15:05, September 28, 2015 (UTC)