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Future Gohan

Future Gohan has no relation to Pan because he dies in his timeline and never meets Videl. Pan does not even exist in that timeline.

Ya don't say? UltraKAKAROT (talk) 02:41, January 8, 2015 (UTC)

To use DBM logic - "Well no one knows that"

Ontopic, i think FGoten was born and Gohan-chan met FVidel, however the special manga chapter was made in 1992, Videl and Goten first apeared in 1993, so there's no way they could be a hidden easter eggsBH Ouji (talk) 11:21, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

pan can breathe underwater

Can anyone explain how Pan can seemingly breathe underwater ? In DBGT she seems to breathe underwater.

When she breaths under water in gt, its because when fighting haze shenron, giru took them to a spring in the lake that magically let them breath under water.X 2O Kaioken Kamehameha 21:33, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

The real reason why she cannot go Super Saiyan

I always thought that female Saiyans are simply unable to become Super Saiyans, and that the whole thing about being unable to create a design was just an excuse Toriyama came up with, to avoid sounding sexist. This is my favorite question too. Trunks and Goten were born when Vegeta and Goku were Super Saiyans, but Gohan had surpassed Super Saiyan 2 as Mystic Gohan before she was born so I believe Pan should have well then enough potential to become a Super Saiyan. But she never did...Super Saiyan Historian 23:48, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

I guess female saiyans could not go mad enough to transform into super saiyan like males could. Sorry if you don't like this idea! I wish they could. I mean it was all Akira Toriyama's fault. I think he's being sexist about us girls! Here is another thought. lol...but why did not Toei just think about the look from Blonde Launch? Pan as a Super Saiyan could be similar. The hair doesn't have to be spikey or muscles and blood vains buldging out. Just hair and eyes change. Super Saiyan Historian 00:08, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

I hate the fact that Akira Toriyama did not include Launch in DBZ just because she's blonde, well so is Android 18. I also hated the fact that Akira Toriyama did not include any female super saiyans. I mean drawing female super saiyans is just as simple as drawing male super saiyans, but with feminine features. Or is it that when Launch sneezes looks like she's transforming into SSJ and female saiyans can't get angry enough to transform? That could've been possible.

Actually, they do have Launch in filler scenes or in the KB saga and female super saiyans in some Dragon Ball games.

What does Launch's looks have to do with Pan's ability to become a super saiyan? If you wanna talk about Launch, go to her talk page!

Masenko?

When was it that Pan used a masenko? I don't recall her ever using it, though this page says she has, and the Masenko page says it was a different color than normal. Could someone please point out the time she uses it. Otherwise I'd like to get rid of it if it's false information. --==> DragonBall.Z GT Goku  Talk Contributions. 20:39, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

She uses Masenko? :O. I do would like to know this?  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  20:49, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think she uses Masenko in the video games only.

i have never seen her use it in the anime neither have i seen her use it in any video game.TheDarkPrinceReturns! 20:58, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry guys, you just need to watch DBGT Episode 50, The Five-Star Dragon, where Goku and Pan will be fighting Rage Shenron. Pan will be seen firing a Masenko (but she won't say the name of the attack) at Rage Shenron after the latter knocks Goku in a glass building. Here's a link to DBGT Episode 50 where Pan uses the Masenko. Watch the episode and you'll see what I mean. User:SSJ2AJB/sig

Ah I just watched the part. Nice work SSJ2AJB, thanks for clearing that up  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  21:03, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

dat site u posted is really cool. i normally watch episodes on it too.TheDarkPrinceReturns! 21:07, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm glad I was able to help. User:SSJ2AJB/sig

i saw it. it looks like a purple and yellow masenko rather than a red and orange one.X 2O Kaioken Kamehameha 21:33, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

I think she uses it here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9YnZeo504YBH Ouji (talk) 11:30, June 12, 2016 (UTC)

Intro

I don't see the point in bringing this up since your just going to say no anyway. Her parents should be listed first. It doesn't matter if Goku is the main character. Her parents are more important then her grandfather. If your going to include one grandfather then you have to include Hercule in the opening. And that's just dumb since Gohan and Videl are clearly more important the Hercule. --8th Mizukage 16:58, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I can't say no, it's down to the community, hence the reason for a talk page. You wouldn't need to include both grand parents, like I stated, Goku is the main character, that's probably why he is listed first. Hercule is not the main character, or anything like it, which is why he is not mentioned.  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  17:03, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

I personally agree with 8th Mizukage on this one. All other characters and given their most direct familial connections first, and not their connection to the main character, Goku. He can be mentioned as her grandfather just after that, as can Mr. Satan. With all characters, the family connection can be easily traced around with either those listed in the Infobox, or the first few names given in their intro sections which list only their closest connections. Dragon Ball Z GT Goku 17:19, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

True, however the time that we see her in the anime, is mostly with Goku. Even in Z, wehn seen for a few episodes, she is mostly with Goku. Let's wait till more people have an input on this, especially 10X Kamehameha, since the original revert was to do with him, and I am happy to change it. I can see where you are coming from and have a feeling that you will get a consensus on this. How does that sound?  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  20:16, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. As always, the more points of view we can get into the discussion the better. Dragon Ball Z GT Goku 20:18, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

It looks fine to me as it currently is. Goku is the main character in GT, and her and Pan share a majority of the screen time, along with Trunks. In the context of episodes she appears in, the identity of her parents seems less important than her relationship with Goku. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:36, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly my point. I personally think it is fine the way it is  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  11:38, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Saiyans

I thought Saiyans never aged but pan did.What I mean is that at the end of dbz gt she looks old but goku gohan trunks videl and goten doesnt age

If you are talking about the final episode, it takes place many decades later. Pan is said to be the only remaining member of the GT Z-fighters. Goku makes a short appearance as a ghost, a spirit, or some type of immortal. Gohan, Goten, and Videl are only seen in flashbacks. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 16:16, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Videl isn't a saiyan. Look on her page it says she's human. also saiyans do age it's just that they stay in their youth for certain amount of time.----Cuddlefish12

Only pure saiyans don't age, Goku fused with Shenlong so he became a God, Gohan, Goten and Bra died of old age, Vegeta must be still alive, but i geuss he's bored with no Goku, Pan is 1/4 saiyan, so she agedBH Ouji (talk) 17:39, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

None of that is based on facts BH Ouji. Saiyans age, just slowly. Goku didn't become a God and didn't fuse with Shenlong. We don't know what happened to Gohan, Goten, or Vegeta other than that they're gone at the end of the GT special. Also, why are you responding to threads that have been inactive for 6 years? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:48, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

1.http://www.kanzenshuu.com/tidbits/dragon-ball-gt-ending-analysis/ oh yeah but saiyans are a race of warriors, i doubt Goku's real grandpa died of old age 2.6 years? #$% i didn't saw it until now ^^'BH Ouji (talk) 07:37, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Neat article, ultimately it's only fan thoughts but still a good read. I agree with the conclusion "So we must ask again… Did Goku die? What did he become? Where did he go? In the end, these questions are not actually answered by the show, and we are left to our own thoughts.". -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:25, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

PAN PLOT HOLE

okay, in DBZBT3, it says pan is 1/18th sayan,so she cant go super sayan or great ape therefor, goku jr. should only be 1/36th sayan,but can go super sayan. PLOT HOLES FTW! no account,no siggy. —This unsigned comment was made by 24.118.96.122 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

First off, that first thing is not true, the video game is wrong, which they often are, but good catch in any case. Second, you need to sign every post you make, even if it's with an IP address. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:49, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Wow I never noticed it in the game.Also games dont count for factual infomation they are usally wrong. Lssj4 17:15, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

This statement is actually based from Daizenshuu 7, as noted by daizex "Daizenshuu # 7 states that Pan cannot go SSJ due to the Saiyan blood in her being too diluted. However, we blatantly see both Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. able to go SSJ (almost with no problem) in the end of DBGT. The daizenshuu was written long before GT was nearing this part of the series; they had no way of knowing just what direction the show would take. GT's showing Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. going SSJ kills off the "diluted" blood theory, but still does not answer if Pan ever could / ever did go SSJ (especially in that "100 years" time between events in the last DBGT episode)." - so it seems Toei dropped the ball, but everything made by Toei is non canon, therfore Goku jr and Vegeta jr doesn't exist.BH Ouji (talk) 17:32, April 30, 2016 (UTC)

Read the Manual of Style, your opinion of canon is ill-informed fan hearsay. If you personally choose to ignore GT, than the part about Pan being anything other than a baby is a moot point anyway. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:45, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

1.Oh fine 2.Baby? You mean toddler right? She was a 5 year old at the last canon TB, i don't understand, why everyone ignores thatBH Ouji (talk) 07:33, May 3, 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough. Goten was somewhere between 3-7 years old when he first transformed. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:21, May 4, 2016 (UTC)

Too much info

Thres way to much info in her "black star dragon ball saga". seriously, it should really be cut down a good bit Nimbus.69 12:19, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Why do you feel the amount of info is too much? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 17:44, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

She is the main character of this Saga. Also, this is one of the few saga where she is a major characters. Jeangabin666 19:21, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Her fellow classmate.

Wasnt his name Pablo? And exactly what was he looking when he kept staring down at Pan? He kept asking to hold her backpack and as soon as he touched he acted all weird for no reason. Lssj4 21:22, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

The credits name him as Popell. He was just looking at Pan because he has a crush on her, nothing weird. He wanted to hold her backpack because carrying a girl's things (at least in media) shows a girl that you like her. Her allowing him to carry her things showed him that she feels the same way a little bit, so he was excited that things were going well.

DragonBallScreenshots 01:28, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

Tail

Was Pan born with or without a tail? -SuperSaiyanKrillin

She was born most likey without a tail since she is 3/4 human, and tails are a recessive trait. Ripto22475 20:29, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

Tails can't be a recessive trait since Gohan had one, unless Chi Chi somehow had the saiyan tail gene in her.

DragonBallScreenshots 05:50, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Gohan can have a tail and it can be a recessive trait at the same time. The recessive characteristic is expressed based on the alternate gene, and since humans and Saiyans can breed, there is almost certainly a pairing for the Saiyan tail trait, even though pure humans never have tails. For instance, Goku may have tail genes A+ and A+, both of which are recessive tail producing genes, and Chi-Chi may have tail genes A and B. While normal humans only get AA, AB, or BB, none of which result in a tail, and BA+ might also not produce a tail, the combination AA+ apparently would produce a tail. The next generation might have AA, AB, AA+, or BA+, the latter of which might even cause the tail characteristic to skip a generation but appear again in a AA+ child of the BA+. Further, we can see that the tail gene would be lost altogether with increasing probability as generations go on, since even one generation without an A+ gene means their children won't possibly have a tail. Yay genetics!

Unnamed Contributor posted, " Gohan can have a tail and it can be a recessive trait at the same time." 100% agreed. 96.245.249.187 21:00, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Besides which, it is stated by Toriyama that it is a recessive trait. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 06:21, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Actually genetics dont make sense in Dragon Ball. It doesn't have anything to do with DNA logic. Therefore, genetics do not really matter in DB.

The Daizenshuu 7 states that "While Pan haven't transformed into an Oozaru (...)" so you can say that Pan's tail was removed by somebodyBH Ouji (talk) 20:21, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

I personally believe the thing about the tail being a recessive trait is BS anyways, since it doesn't really explain why Gohan has one, let alone how him having one and it being recessive can be simultaneous. I mean, does Chi-Chi have an ancestor that we don't know about that just so happened to be a Saiyan? And that mention in the Daizenshuu 7 about Pan's potential to become a Great Ape gives me a little more reason to speculate about Saiyan characteristics being able to be ratained across a certain amount of generations even with diminishing Saiyan blood with each generation. Kinda like with Klingon characteristics such as the forehead frills in Star Trek. If that's truly the case, then I just wonder how many generations would have to pass before the Saiyan characteristics before they fade away. LittleAl16 (talk) 04:25, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Well Geekdom stated in his video that saiyan tails stopped showing up, becuase Toriyama was tired of drawing them (hence why the TRUE saiyans have wrapped them as a belt), i personality think Pan, Trunkses, Bra and Goten WERE SUPPOSED to have tails, but Toriyama was either a)forgetful b)was getting bored with adding themBH Ouji (talk) 19:05, March 13, 2017 (UTC)

Wait.... for Trunks and Goten's case wasn't already explained that their tail was cut when they're born (This is mentioned in beginning of Android Saga and Buu Saga), for Pan, Bra and Saiyan's tail was never grow back was indeed Toriyama lazy to draw it. --GODLIKEUndertaker (talk) 02:32, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

Nope, Kurilin askes Bulma about Trunks's tail and she didn't responded, keep in mind that no female oozarus apeared in the DB manga by Toriyama nor a fully nude female oozaru (when they are armorless), however when checking Oozaru Seripa's commentary in BT3, Chi-Chi worries about Pan

Of course, Goten and Pan not having a tail becuase Goku's was permantly removed is baseless, Gohan was born with a tail, and he was born after that event

Speaking of Toriyama's lazyness, Broli DOES have a tail in his design (And Broli apeared AFTER Trunkses were made), so i don't know what Toriyama was thinkingBH Ouji (talk) 08:27, March 14, 2017 (UTC)

Royalty ?

Shouldn't Pan be in the princess category. Chi-Chi is and she is pan's grandma —This unsigned comment was made by SuperSaiyanKrillin (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Please sign your posts. And no, we can't make assumptions about DB royalty. -- 10X Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha ^.._.^.. _{talk .}^..._{. contrib}. 00:10, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

No, Pan cannot inherit the title of a princess because, first of all, Pan is the great granddaughter of the Ox King. Second of all, I don't think her father and her uncle are princes. Third, the children of a princess can't be a prince or princess unless their father is a prince.98.225.251.65 10:34, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Pan doesn't have any royalty. 96.245.249.187 21:03, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Power level

What is Pan's power level?

Over 100,000 at least and you could say over 8,000 or over 9,000. Zendarmanitan (talk) 22:19, January 20, 2013 (UTC)zendarmanitan

SHE IS COCKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. She is the most cockiest and arrogant person in the entire series. She's behind non in that aspect. —This unsigned comment was made by 198.144.116.223 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Well, A. One of her grandfathers is the strongest man in existence and B. Her other grandfather is Mr. Satan. Not a winning combination for humility. CaptainGame (talk) 21:25, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

Only in GT ;)BH Ouji (talk) 20:13, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

Trunks is her husband

Pans husband has to be Trunks. He has Saiyan blood and he can turn Super Saiyan. Akira Toriyama said that a Saiyan with less than 1/4 blood can't turn SSJ. Also, SSJ is passed down from father to child, not mother to child. And I noticed Goku Jr. Has the same eye color as Trunks. Hence, Trunks is his grandfather. -SuperMaron

Their grandchild would be less than 1/4 Saiyan. Still just speculation. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 17:58, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

1.Trunks is gay 2.It's just some made up "statement" made by Funimation, Trunks is not a pedo 3.The Sons and Bulma's family didn't seen each other in many years 4. http://www.kanzenshuu.com/rumor/characters/BH Ouji (talk) 07:49, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Flight

Random question, how fast is Pan in flight? In Z, she flew around the world in a day, so would she be faster than Sonic (at least in flight) or not?101bijou (talk) 00:02, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

40000 kms divided by 24 hours (probably less than that) = 1666,6 km/h at the slowest. Sandubadear 00:23, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, she flew around the world within the day (just read the last volume again, she Goku and the others went off to the tournament where Goku finally meets Uub after she came back) I don't when she started though, but still pretty fast right?101bijou (talk) 00:30, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

That means she is much more faster than 1666 km/h. Sandubadear 01:07, July 6, 2015 (UTC)

Picture and Quote

A simply inquiry, but why have a picture and quote of Pan from the end of Dragon Ball Z instead of ones from GT? I know GT's non-canon as of now, but it's what she is most well-known for, especially for her look.

If it remains the same, I understand and respect the decision, though I'm just curious as to the reasoning.

Nkstjoa (talk) 06:28, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

there's no exact reason but Pan in GT is horrible and no one likes her. Super will bring a new light to her Meshack (talk) 06:37, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Pan GT is horrible but her design isn't (Toriyama made her) so i hope DBS will have her in those clothesBH Ouji (talk) 08:45, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Nkstjoa, that's a good point. Pan is a main character in GT while she barely exists in DBZ. A GT Pan infobox pic would make more sense. While I agree that she can be a tiresome character in GT it is still her main contribution to the franchise. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:50, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

So then... now it just comes down to agreeing on which picture and quote from GT?

Nkstjoa (talk) 06:56, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I completely disagree with the change. Pan being "well-known" in GT is also a good reason to display a picture of her character from the end of Z, so that people stop saying (mainly the ones that did not even read the manga) she is a GT-exclusive character. But if you are really willing to change the image then okay, but pick one of her full body, otherwise I will not let the image I chose being changed. Bargeta (talk) 07:03, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

Decisions are made by community consensus, not your permission. Hopefully, we can find an image we all agree is good. Here are two from the gallery that I think are good GT representations. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 19:43, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

I don't agree using GT Pan. Either baby Pan or Z Pan Meshack (talk) 22:40, December 29, 2015 (UTC)

That comment is not helpful, since we use discussion to make a consensus. Your comment is a vote, which doesn't work here. Do you just hate GT or is there a non-biased reason for your comment? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:53, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

I don't hate GT. There are things I certainly don't like about it but I don't hate it. Having a Zimage would be better because it fits in the Super and GT realm. Having a GT image would say she's only in GT, which is not true. I don't know how but a lot of fans don't know that Pan, Bulla, and Uub were at the end of Z. I don't know how but... Meshack (talk) 07:01, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

By your logic that having a GT image would mean she is only in GT, a Z image would mean that she is only in Z. The logic doesn't make sense either way. She is a main character in GT, and barely in any other media. GT appearance is how she is shown 90% of the time, so we should use that. This is just the infobox image, the users will still be seeing all the others in the article, but the most featured base form is appropriate, not a quick cameo like in Z. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:24, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Meshack has announced that he left the site, so I am adding this image to the infobox. It is full body and represents the most common appearance of Pan that we see in the franchise. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 20:59, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Nahh lol. I didn't realize so many people are that focused on my page Meshack (talk) 21:28, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay. What page? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 21:44, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

funny Meshack (talk) 21:45, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

I left 1 comment on your talk page, am I the "so many people"? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 21:49, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

it was a joke Meshack (talk) 21:58, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hmm what about using her Toriyama GT design, GT Pan was a failure, people are comparing her to the likes of Scrappy Doo, but since i like GT Pan's design, i think staying with GT Pan could be goodBH Ouji (talk) 08:41, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Good point that Toriyama created her GT design. Also good point about Scrappy Doo. Even if some of us don't like her, we're not here to put a biased spin and show some version of her that we liked. We need to show the fans the truth, and the truth is Pan stars in GT and only makes minor cameos in the other series. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:50, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

You misterstood me sire, Pan is cool, her GT design is cool but that #$% child of Toei in GT (That Toei calls "Pan") is such a failure that shouldn't be mentioned, and rewrited for DBSBH Ouji (talk) 08:40, January 5, 2016 (UTC)

I understand that you find her annoying, but she still exists. The readers deserve to see the good and the bad in DB. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:43, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Wait Pan or Toei's Pan GT? Becuase GT is non canon to the manga, hell i even threat Gohan SSJ3 more canon than what Toei did to Pan, but i respect your opinion, go ahead with the agressive GT PanBH Ouji (talk) 05:47, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

"Canon to the manga" is a useless phrase to say. You should just say, "in the manga" since that is what it means. This site has info on officially licensed, published material from the whole DB franchise, including manga from multiple authors, anime, movies, OVA's, video games, card games, toys, and more. We are not a manga-only Wiki. Please read the Manual of Style linked on your talk page for more info. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 06:05, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

A common practice is to use the newer image of the character. Unless we make a new template that allows us to click which ever tab and see the character at the most recent of each series. Like at the end of Z, GT, and currently Super. The wikia in general needs to upgraded to be better. Lygarx (talk) 11:05, July 25, 2016 (UTC)

Hi there and welcome to Wikia. As you seem to be new to Wikia, may I advise you to start new topics rather than comment on older ones that haven't been used in over 6 months. More users will see your comments this way. The best practice is to use the most common, recognizable image of a character, not the newest image that happens to be from a quick cameo or two. Pan starred in GT, while she has had a major role in only 1 Super episode. Also, it's a bit ironic to vaguely request no particular upgrade to a site when your sentence has a glaring grammatical error. Try and be precise and give actionable suggestions. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:09, July 26, 2016 (UTC)

Temporal Do-Over, and recording undone deaths

The deaths that undone by Whis's Temporal Do-Over for simple fact that even though it was undone, it originally happened, and should still be recorded. We record the deaths of everyone that was revived by an eternal dragon. Also i can also help people find who was killed in Frieza's attack.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson

Yeah, this DB, where multiverses exist, so Pan DIED by FreezaBH Ouji (talk) 05:21, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

So let's vote on it then. Yes: record it. No: remove it from all articles. I vote Yes.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson

Yeah, since Trunkie created a alternative timeline, Kaioshin of time is high and "time breakers" in O/XV just create new timelines, so yes, Pan DID die and Whis just created an alternative timeline by turning back time (But canon Freeza was already reicarnated, so the newest movie doesn't make sense other than being made by a Freeza fanboy)BH Ouji (talk) 19:32, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

Whis did not create an alternate timeline. He reversed time before Freeza killed everyone. Freeza did kill in this case, Pan, but it was undone by Whis who has control over time. You're bringing up something in Xenoverse in this case and don't even know what you're talking about. It should not be recorded. SSGKakarotto (talk) 21:33, February 11, 2016 (UTC)

C'mon man this is DB, Trunkie didn't turned into a spoiled brat in the future, he stayed nice, turning back time means nothing in DBBH Ouji (talk) 05:37, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

Actually yes he did create an alternate timeline what if goku had choose to leave earth destroyed and everything, but back to the whole original topic yes the death's should be recorded since they did happen they were just undone.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:23,2/11/2016 

So I assume that three people agree on keeping it. Well then this discussion is closed for now.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson 16:35, February 12, 2016

I just want to throw it my 2 cents here, I think it should be recorded. While it's true that the event didn't "happen" since Whis reversed it (he didn't create an alternate timeline, he reversed it), I think all canon on-screen events should be recorded anyway. -- • Final Chidori • Talk • Contribs 14:30, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

See, SSGKakarotto has some sense. It makes no sense to record a death when there wasn't a death. It's not like when a planet gets destroyed and everyone on there dies then gets revived by the Dragon Balls. Whis reversed time before Frieza destroys the Earth so they wouldn't died. Meshack (talk) 02:37, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Canonically it still happened, so it should record for anime canon sake. So it should be recorded. Situation, and method of undoing the deaths are different, but they still happened on screen.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson 02:44, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

I agree that it should be recorded, it still happened within the series even if a technique undid it.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:49, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Well since you; an admin, has agreed can I go ahead, and undo Meshack's edits on Pan's Page, and Mr. Satan's page.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson 02:51, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Not yet. There has been a lot of input but there may still be more people who want to add to the discussion, give it a couple of days and then you can change it if the "Yes" vote still possess majority. Of course it would be best if we could all reach a consensus in that time period.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:55, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Fair enough, and if you wondering I'm not use the tiles buttons or signature button. Because my sig is a template, and I don't know if can make it here. Also i don't have stroke button.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson 02:57, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Why should it be recorded when time was reversed before they were about to die? They didn't die. Don't you guys understand that? Of course it happened in the series but they didn't die. Meshack (talk) 03:01, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Trunkie also turned back the events, and........does Future Goku returns to life? No! Does Trunkie turned into a brat? No! It's multiverse guysBH Ouji (talk) 07:05, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Like what Neff said, it still happened, and even though a technique undid it still should be recorded, as the death still happen in the series. Canonically events in either Manga, and/or anime she still be recorded. We understand that it was reversed, but canonically they still died.--User:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson User talk:Staff Sergeant Jack Jackson 03:13, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

what the hell does Canonically have to do with anything? Whatever... Meshack (talk) 03:15, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

We don't decide things here by voting, we do it through a civil discussion and reaching a consensus. One good argument is better than 10 bad ones. I personally don't have a strong opinion this time, but please decide this matter by what is best for the site, not necessarily what is most popular before all the facts come out. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:59, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

10X just say something about it... Meshack (talk) 04:00, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

I personally think it should be stated, since we did see the events occur, even though they were later altered by Whis' power. DB has shown us that time travel and alternate dimensions exist, and can have a profound and lasting influence on the future (as in the entire Cell Saga). -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:53, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Agree in favor of documenting it. The best argument on why we should record it, is because deaths are still recorded even after the character(s) are revived by Shenron. Even if someone like Piccolo killed Goku, while Krillin had Shenron right there ready to make a wish, and wished Goku back to life immieditately, it still is a recorded death. No matter how short/long until it's "undone", it still happened onscreen.

Time travel by Whis is a technique used to undo the damage done. Reversing time to prevent it from happening, doesn't mean it never happened at all. For that brief moment, earth was destroyed and everyone on it was killed (nearly everyone anyway). --Riptoze 05:18, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

I think there's no reason not to document it. This wiki exists to provide information, so we shouldn't remove things that didn't (chronologically?) "happen" in the series if they canonically happened on screen. Hopefully that makes sense, it's a bit hard to put into words. -- • Final Chidori • Talk • Contribs 05:30, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Plus Beerus, Whis, and Goku still remember it. Their existence and minds are a result of the deaths or those characters and their resurrections, even if most other humans were going about their regular business and never noticed. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:33, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Everyone that Whis managed to protect remembers the Earth being blown up, so while the event was "deleted" from existence in the actual show, it still technically happened in a way. I believe that this should be documented for the sake of knowledge. ---- • Final Chidori • Talk • Contribs 05:42, February 14, 2016 (UTC)

As the one who made the original edits on all the pages, I vote to keep it. Note though, that I've only included characters who are shown on screen in the scene (Including Dende however because he is mentioned as being on the Lookout, and excluding Buu for his regen abilities). Anyone else who is included would only be speculated to have died, because in this universe, we can never place any character in a location unless there's proof, with off-world and interdimension travel possible. We should keep the post simply because while it was undone, it happened on screen, effectively making the undoing no better than a Dragon Ball wish for the undoing. --Silver Sinspawn (talk) 19:26, February 17, 2016 (UTC)

Okay, but if you guys want this, you have to add this to every character that's still alive. You can't just stop on Pan and Mr. Satan. Meshack (talk) 01:50, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

If you read my comment, you'll see that I already added it to every character we see die. We have no way of confirming anyone else died at that time, we don't know where any of the rest of them were. For all we know, Yajirobe and Korin are out in space and Mr. Popo is in the hyperbolic time chamber. So, your comment is redundant. --Silver Sinspawn (talk) 08:32, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Which episode is this?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XL04hijsbH4/VtT06DKO1UI/AAAAAAAADm4/tCcvb7L8vmA/w500-h375/Pan%2525252525F0%25252525259F%252525252598%252525252598%2525252525F0%25252525259F%252525252598%252525252598%2525252525F0%25252525259F%252525252598%252525252598%2525252525E2%25252525259C%25252525258C%2525252525E2%25252525259C%25252525258C%2525252525E2%25252525259C%25252525258C%252525252B-%252525252B6.gif i don't renember Panny giving a thumbs up in any of GT episode, can someone help me?BH Ouji (talk) 07:52, April 10, 2016 (UTC)

Pan's husband

Thank you for keeping the husband of Pan info. but i would ask you who Pan's lover is: it could be Poberu or Bish (Colm in the american dub), i doubt it's Uub,BH Ouji (talk) 20:10, September 13, 2016 (UTC)

We don't know who he is so therefore unnamed is all that is allowed.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  20:46,9/13/2016 

Oh OK then, we just have to waitBH Ouji (talk) 05:11, September 14, 2016 (UTC)

Pan's belly in the Saban dub of GT

Sooooooooooooooo if Saban translated GT, would of they digitally cover Pan GT's naked belly or left as it is and say that she's a teen? Since you know, that design was a bit loli (but i don't mind seeing it on Adult Pan)BH Ouji (talk) 12:23, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Pan: Xeno is coming to SDBH

https://twitter.com/suisoukiraki/status/1141502583518793730?s=19 add her here guys pleaseBH Ouji (talk) 08:47, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

Feel free to edit articles. No need to ask permission. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 21:19, June 20, 2019 (UTC)

Oh OK then :)BH Ouji (talk) 04:29, June 21, 2019 (UTC)