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January 2012

I have archived the prior talk page. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 17:37, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Tail Isuues

Does anyone else think Goku should've kept his tail throughout the series?

Dragon Ball Z For Kinect

Is the Ultimate Tenkaichi template going to be replaced by a Dragon Ball Z For Kinect one?

Something Occured To me

It occured to me: If someone starts roleplaying on other Canon Wikis, they usually have a link to a Roleplaying Wikia on that particular subject on the Main Page, listed as an affliate. You've got one to the Fanon Wiki for fan fiction, but not a Wiki for roleplaying. And I've seen Chat Moderators get really annoyed when people start roleplaying in chat. So I was wondering, perhaps you could put the Goat City Wiki on the front page, and send people there if they start annoying everyone else with roleplay. I'm not trying to advertise; I'm wondering if perhaps you could add Goat City to the main page as an affliate. Wow-Wow-Wow-wow 18:16, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Fanon Wiki has a chat, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind role playing there. Using Goat City Wiki isn't necessary. — N ^{(t • c)} 18:46, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Re-release the entire original dragon ball series in dragon box format.

It's time for a change in the dragon ball seires we already know about the dbz kai music plagarism scandal and ote bull, Funimation need to recall all of the dragon ball seires dvds and re-release them all on dvd and blu-ray in its original dragon box quality format to give the fans a whole new atomosphere like myself the original opening and closing of dragon ball dbz and dbgt as well as the next episode previews completes the entire original dragon ball series.—This unsigned comment was made by 166.147.121.151 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Cluttered main page

Hello, the main page is cluttered with the stuff on the side, can the administrators help me find the problem? Please, thank you. IloveJeice 01:42, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Can you please be more specific? I don't see anything wrong with it. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:11, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Super Saiyan Confusions...

Alright so here's the thing: I can't recall where I heard this, but I believe I heard that the only reason Pan couldn't transform into a Super Saiyan because she was only a quarter Saiyan... Yet, Goku Jr. and Vegeta Jr. go Super Saiyan even at young ages. How does this happen? Vegeta and Goku Jr. would only be one sixteenth Saiyan provided the Saiyans mated with humans. Can someone help me understand this?

GokuWearsConverse (talk) 05:15, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

The reason is that Toriyama didn't know how to design a female Super Saiyan. Shakuran13ThisendsNOW! 07:56, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Another picture

From the white marks it looks like it was a folded poster in a magazine of some sort

The chances of this picture being official have risen, it looks nearly identical to the original Japanese cover of the Trunks special

I found these pictures on the web, can anyone on the wiki confirm they are real? - SaiyanEliteTalkContrb 11:09, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Sexy new main page

Glad to see the main page is finally more interactive like other wikis. Deus Gladiorum (talk) 18:58, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

PowerPoll

Can we update the power poll? This Random Dude is bored so talk to him

Sure, I'll do that today. By the way, using the date like in a regular signature posting is very helpful for the readers. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 20:15, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Alright, but how do I add it in? This Random Dude is bored so talk to him

To vote, simply click on the circle to the left of the option you like most. Then click the button at the button that says "Vote!" -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 21:28, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Not voting, adding the date onto a sig. This Random Dude is bored so talk to him

Oh sorry, okay. You just use four tildes ~~~~ to use the signature you have set up in your preferences plus the time/date of the post. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:56, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

About the name of 孫悟空

You know 孫悟空, Son Gokū . What does it really means? 孫 is like last name. 悟 is like middle name， 空 is like first name. 孫悟空 is a chinese name. It's really english name that is Monkey king. and more. 悟 means that understand your mind and know yourself. 空 means that nothing, but it include anything and everything. So the name of "Son Gokū" that is WRONG name, WRONG translation.

Urrrrr...

What happened to the main page? Was it the new wikia updates? I really hate those. This Random Dude is bored so talk to him 15:18, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

There was indeed a global wikia update. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:19, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Quote of the day

How exactly is the quote of the day picked and who is it picked by?

I just had an idea for a goku quote from episode 137 of Dragonball "Sometimes my brain doesn't know what my mouth is saying. Good thing my heart does. Will you marry me?"147.226.200.239 03:36, October 19, 2012 (UTC)WortWortWort117

PrinceZarbon picks and posts the quote of the day, you can give him suggestions on his talk page. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:44, October 20, 2012 (UTC)

Girl Super Saiyan

Did you know that if that women can become Super Saiyans but they got to work harder than the other men Saiyans.—This unsigned comment was made by 69.238.72.213 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Quote of the day - Spelling.

Somebody spelt zeni, as zenny, on Quote of the Day. Can somebody correct? This Random Dude is bored so talk to him 13:21, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes, there's numerous alternate spellings for that. I'll alter it for the featured archives per this request. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 01:15, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

How to create a custom signature?

Hello. i've noticed a lot of people (folks like PrinceZarbon and 10xKamehameha) have cool custom signatures with designs and everything on here. i would like to know how i can make one for myself. problem is that i don't know how and didn't understand the directions all that well. any help would be appreciated thanks! SSJ Sean x20 (talk) 17:40, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! Have you tried the tutorial linked at the top of my talk page? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 02:29, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Heche(SSJ)

Why does Recoome and other aliens throughout the series look like caucasion earthlings?---- Heche(SSJ)

Aliens in the series look like all sorts of things. Evolutionarily speaking, humans are a shape that can survive, so it makes sense that some other aliens would evolve the same features. One could also speculate that they share an ancestor with humans and were somehow brought to another planet. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:41, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Adding other language wiki link?

There is a lithuanian dragon ball wiki http://lt.dragonball.wikia.com , but I don't know how to add uts link to the main page, can anyone explain? User: Pupicucek

I suggest that you ask Nonoitall. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 18:11, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Sandubadear

What's that "retrieved from ..." at the very end of the page?" Sandubadear

Screenshot? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 20:37, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

SuperSaiyan3 goku

if goku have the godlike feeling after he first turn ssj god. so after that when he turns in his normal state and then go super saiyan he put up a good fight. so if he go super saiyan 3 he will be able to defeat bills with ease right? —This unsigned comment was made by SuperSaiyan3 goku (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

You should probably make a forum or blog. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:46, June 13, 2013 (UTC)

Arrangement

I have a couple of proposed changes to the arrangement of the Main Page. I think the "orbs" should be further down, closer to the "Navigation" section, expecially considering how similar they are. This allows for actual Wiki News to be higher. I also think the Power Poll should be higher, above the forum, since the top of the page also has a forum link under the "Community" tab. That's basically it. Shakuran13ThisendsNOW! 06:31, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. Whatever looks good and provides info. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:45, July 23, 2013 (UTC)

Needing some Assistance

I am currently in the process of determining which supporting characters will receive "orbs" and a spot on the main page. There is a possibility of 16 total characters, 8 in each row. I'd like to get the general consensus of the community to see what you all think. Thanks!

talk contr

05:11, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

There are currently 32 total characters. Are you trying to remove 16 to make it look neater? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 15:50, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

movie villans icon

i saw the discussion on the Bills talk page and i think we should change the movie villans icon to Broly because he have 3 movies and he is the most popular movie villan  I am GokuBrolyVegeta.

20:02, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Agrees, because everyone already agreed Bills' not a villenan Sandubadear 20:06, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Broly would be a good one. Some other suggestions were Cooler (main villain in 2 films) and Garlic Jr. (movie + tv villain). -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 23:29, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

I vote for Broly because his power is maximum Sandubadear 23:35, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

I support Broly because he has the most movies. Garlic Junior having a saga about him is nice and all, but it's irrelevant to the movies. In fact, that actually seems like more of a detracting point because it makes him also an anime villain. Also, Broly is incredibly popular, possibly more than Cooler. One can't really argue about which movie villain is the most villainous, but Broly is no slouch in that regard either. Shakuran13ThisendsNOW! 23:48, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Broly having the most movies is a good point. Only 2 for Cooler and 1 for Garlic, but Broly has 3. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:26, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, Garlic Junior has 2 votes right now; myself and User:DalekSupreme13 both feel he's the primary as this discussion was already had here: Portals discussion. I disagree with popularity having any level of importance when it comes to deciphering which characters are featured as the source. We need to concentrate on the actual importance minus personal bias. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 02:58, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Come to think of it, voting implies some level of personal bias as well. We should strive for a consensus with our full effort because resorting to that. I think that on the main page, popularity does play a role in our decision, since we want to get people to click, and they are probably more likely to click on something that they are more familiar with. So we have Broly who has the most films and is the most popular, Cooler who has performed the most genocides, and Garlic who gets the most screen time and dialogue but is not exclusively a "film" villain. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:44, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Well, since we have those three and can't decide on just one, I have an even better idea. See how the icons for the Ginyu Tokusentai, Shadow Dragons, and Red Ribbon Army are? All we have to do is make a single icon and have Broly, Cooler, and Garlic Junior all appear on that icon the same way and still call the icon "Film Villains". That would seem to work. Unless of course someone else feels that Lord Slug, Android 13, Bojack, Janemba, Hirudegarn, etc. should be on the icon. I feel the icon can incorporate Broly, Cooler, and Garlic Junior and that would be fine for all the primary audience in terms of satisfying popularity but staying true to actual importance as well. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 17:11, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

  

  i agree with prince Zarbon we Should put all 3 of them (Broly,Cooler and Garlic Jr.) I am GokuBrolyVegeta.

17:16, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

rough draft of three in one icon for film villains

Here's a rough draft of how nice it would look in a trio image; of course, we'd need User:SSJGoku93 to do it as he made all the other ones currently up. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 17:20, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

  it's good but i think we should change Garlic Junior's image to his final form and cooler's to his 5th form and i thought that SSJGoku93 has left the wiki I am GokuBrolyVegeta.

17:25, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Should be Cooler, not Meta Cooler (there's a difference). But seems nice enough Sandubadear 17:28, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah all three of them such as Broly and Cooler and Garlic Jr should be there. They have the longest films and Garlic Jr has a saga. I say we go for three.Teengohanrocks (talk) 19:19, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

I realize this is just a rough draft, but I would like to suggest deleting the background for each of them, so that they look a little more uniform together. --Mr. Steal-Yo-Gurl (Talk) 19:34, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

As long as we can clearly see everyone's faces. Those orbs are kind of hard to see faces in as is. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 20:45, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

Well, it appears everyone likes the idea of having a trio icon; I have been unable to contact User:SSJGoku93 of recent; 10X, can you maybe email him too to make sure he gets the message. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 03:44, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Talk page should be fine. I don't want to harass the military guy lol. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:20, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

If you guys could provide me with an image you'd like me to use, I'll make it tonight. Thanks!

talk contr

22:56, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

The images provided did not exactly work with the orb format as well as I'd have liked. As such, I went with the image below. While it may be Cooler's final form, it fit well and looks nice. What do we think?

talk contr

04:58, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

They're all good choices in my opinion lol. PZ? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:01, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

I mean once the image was re-sized, it looked goofy. The image of Cooler you posted on my talk page looked skewed once re- sized, and the "tri" image didn't work at all haha :P

talk contr

05:13, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Rough attempt for trio image

I posted another one on your talk page; check this one out and see if you can resize it to your liking; I think it just needs some trimming on the edges to make it better for your round shape. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 17:17, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

It's been a while now and still no response from SSJGoku93 in regards to using the image I've put here. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 22:50, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

Portals for "other" characters.

I would like to add two more rows for "supporting" characters of the series to the orbs. Examples include Bulma, Videl, Chi Chi, Mr. Satan etc. etc. If you guys would be so kind as to come up with a list for me and even provide some images I'll be one happy fella. Thanks!

talk contr

05:15, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

I think there are enough as is. We want the main page to be eye-catching snapshots, but not a list of all the characters. If we had a way to check, some orbs (Pilaf Gang, Yajirobe, Pan) already feature characters that are only of very minor interest. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:29, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

I think it looks great as is; if there's too much then it might be too long to scroll through. I think we got most of the primary heroes and villains up there. If you were to include Bulma, Mr. Satan, etc. you can add another third section entitled "Other", this would make it easier for them, but I honestly feel that once we get this trio image done of the movie folk, it's pretty much perfect. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 17:20, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Instead of the Dodoria/Zarbon portal having two separate links, shouldn't it just say Frieza's Elite? also the Majin Buu link needs to be changed to Kid Buu, as that is what the image displays.--Neffyarious (talk) 14:30, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

No, because Frieza's elite entails numerous others who aren't as consequential. It is imperative to maintain that they are separate characters and separately list Zarbon and Dodoria as such. And the Majin Buu area makes sense as it is supposed to be relevant to all "forms" of Majin Buu, albeit portraying Kid Buu's image. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 22:49, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

The DB Wiki FaceBook Page

Please click the link below if you're interested in a job adminstrating the wiki's FaceBook page.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SSJGoku93/A_job_offering_for_2_good_users_-_Access_to_the_DB_Wiki_Facebook_Page —This unsigned comment was made by SSJGoku93 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Number inconsistencies

Sometimes, numbers are written out in words, like forty-five, or one thousand and twenty-five, but others might be written in the style of say, "The 3rd one came along" or "His power increased 1000 times over".  I'm not sure if there is a rule, but since the wiki wants to have consistency (having the same name of a character on all their related pages, despite translation differences), I figure we should stick to one thing.  DinkyPotato 14:53, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

i like the 38434643684 style  I am GokuBrolyVegeta. 15:28, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

The Manual of Style dictates that we use American English grammar. That means that yes there are rules, and yes we should correct pages to be consistent with them. For numbers less than 10, or if the sentence starts with a number, the whole word should be written out. For numbers 10 or greater, the number should be used. When there are combined instances of numbers greater than 10 and less than 10, the rule used for the first instance should be used for all instances in that sentence. Second is treated as a word, and 2nd is treated as a number.

Grammatically correct sentences:

• There were two Saiyans fighting. Number less than 10 rule.
• There were 10 aliens attacking the planet. Number 10 or greater rule.
• Twenty villains approached the man. Sentence starting with a number rule.
• The three friends went fishing on a fourteen day trip. Number less than 10 rule, first instance rule.
• Goku knew that he had 30 minutes to win, and initiated his 3rd assault on Frieza. Number greater than 10 rule, first instance rule, treat 3rd as a number.

Exceptions can be used if they are absolutely needed. If the number is huge and unwieldy like 234,234,654,678 then it should be written as a number no matter what. For amounts of money, the number should almost always be used, so $40 is better than forty dollars. If you come across a case where an exception is needed that conflicts with one of the grammatical rules, then be smart, and try and reword the sentence or break it up into two sentences that do not require exceptions.

Sentence requires an exception (number is very large and should never be written out in words):

• The seven Dragon Balls became inert for the next 236,221,563 years.

Smart rewrite that does not require an exception.

• The seven Dragon Balls became inert. They remained this ways for 236,221,563 years.

Please let me know if there are any grammar questions related to this topic. Thank you. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:38, December 1, 2013 (UTC)

Quotes in Articles

Most of the quotes in articles are directly linked to the FUNI dub of the anime. However, the articles involve the manga and the anime. On Videl's page, it takes an exact quote from the FUNi dub about her developing romantic feelings for Gohan, and the quote is much more blunt in the manga english translation ("I'm going to ask you out"). So, I was wondering, should quotations be taken out of articles directly, and make them slightly more open and vague to make it easier for all kinds of viewers of Dragon Ball?  I'm not honestly too bothered, but some articles contain a few quotations from characters, and others don't.   DinkyPotato 23:20, December 11, 2013 (UTC)

I do not think anyone is going to be confused by where the quote came from as long as we continue to put the source of the quote with its use. Whenever an episode is quoted, the name of the episode is at the bottom of the quote box. Viz manga quotes are perfectly acceptable too! The anime just seems to be a lot more popular for English fans, so that is what gets edited onto articles most often. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:53, December 12, 2013 (UTC)

Quick Question

Umm hi how do you create articles? Deadpool the merc (talk) 04:39, March 13, 2014 (UTC)Deadpool the merc

Just type in the path to the article that you want to create, and make an edit. The page will exist from then on and will be visible to others. If you give me the name of the article you would like to create, I can do it for you the first time to help you get started. Remember that articles should only be about official, licensed information of an encyclopedic nature. Vegeta = yes. Vegeta vs. Goku who would win = no. SS7 Ultra Vegeta = no. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 18:54, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Ssj4goku45

Has gohan ever been stronger then vegeta? —This unsigned comment was made by Ssj4goku45 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Yes, several times during Dragon Ball Z. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 19:08, August 10, 2014 (UTC)

Zackgood

Did nail and kami die with piccolo on Dbgt? —This unsigned comment was made by Zackgood (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Hi Zack, welcome to the site. When posting a new item of discussion on a talk page, please make sure to start a new topic. Also, always sign your posts, that way I know who to respond to. Yes, both Kami and Nail died with Piccolo in GT. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:45, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Shenrons

I thought Ultimate Shenron died because with Piccolo death the black star ball cease.

And how about Smoke Shenron does he die when all the darkness surrounding earth go away and when all the Shadow Dragons are killed? Zackgood (talk) 01:56, October 24, 2014 (UTC) zackgood

Right, Ultimate Shenron goes away with Piccolo and Kami's deaths. Smoke Shenron goes away, but it's unclear if he is "dead". Presumably, with more good wishes he might return. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:42, October 26, 2014 (UTC)

Bulma as a main page portal

Something that I have found strange about the portals on the main page is that Bulma is missing yet characters who appeared and did less like Yajirobe, Uub, Chiaotzu and honestly Android 18 are.

Bulma was literally the second main and important main character from the start, she was the one who started everything (and unwittingly help stop every villain ever by doing so). She built the Dragon Radar, She was crucial in defeating General Blue and the Invisible man and kept safe the dead fighter bodies in the King Piccolo saga. She gathered the Dragon Balls to resurrect Goku, she built the ships in both Freeza saga and GT. She had entire filler arcs devoted to her, she built the remote device and rebuilt Android 16. She gave birth to both Trunks and Bra & is the wife of Vegeta. She has appeared in more media then most of the main page characters and as the top 100 poll showed, is considered more relevant and popular then all the characters I mentioned in the first paragraph except Android 18.

think she deserves it.Gretnablue (talk) 19:53, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

She's a main character, but not really a "hero" as that listing states. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:27, October 31, 2014 (UTC)

Majuub

Does Good Buu "die" when he fuses with Uub in GT to form Majuub? If he's dead then does that mean that Good Buu should be added in Deceased Characters? Zackgood (talk) 04:37, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

He doesn't die: they merge, sort of like when Kami and Piccolo merge. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:49, November 4, 2014 (UTC)

Is Ninja Murasaki died?because in the filler episode with Dr. Flappe goku throws android 8's bomb away witch lands on his face. That close range explosion would have killed him! Zackgood (talk) 18:43, November 5, 2014 (UTC)

It's unclear. One user claims "According to a special Jump, he resides in the world of the dead, so he is confirmed deceased.", but they did not provide a real source. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:15, November 6, 2014 (UTC)

Would you say Dr. Brief and Mrs. Brief would be dead since they are not seen in Dragonball Gt? Zackgood (talk) 18:07, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

No, that's speculation. Please don't speculate in articles. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:51, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Canon and non-canon

Since Disney revealed the new Star Wars canon, the Star Wars wiki opted for having two versions of most articles, a "Canon" one where only things from the movies and the recent TV shows are mentioned and "Legends" where all the other material is also mentioned.

I thought we could use a similar system for this site by diving things that were directly written by Toriyama (The manga, 2008 OVA, BoG, Revival of F, Jaco, etc.) and things that although may have involucrated him, weren't (GT, most movies, anime filler, etc.) I apologize if this isn't the right place for this, I'll move it if it's so. MatiuxFox (talk) 02:26, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

I find that the problem with this is that to me it is hard to so easily define what is and isn't canon.

You say that the manga and 2008 OVA are canon, but what about the Episode of Bardock, is that canon? It's written by Naho Ooishi who also did a manga based off the 2008 OVA. Also, the 2008 OVA wasn't written by Toriyama as far as I know but I could be wrong. Is the One Piece x Dragon Ball crossover canon because it was written by Toriyama? Isn't GT the series that was written specifically to be a continuation of the Dragon Ball story? Shouldn't that make it more canon? If Battle of Gods is a movie, wouldn't that make it non-canon?  It's not like anyone official has come out and said anything about canonicity and Akira Toriyama certainly doesn't care; he barely even remembers the details of Dragon Ball.

I find it is much better to just present information and let people interpret the matter rather than come out with an official statement on it that is only created by us. Shakuran13' Talk' 03:57, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

• >written by Toriyama
• >2008 OVA, BoG, Revival of F

He didn't write those, man. Also, I agree with Shak, the way it already is is best so people can think however they want. Sandubadear 15:08, December 15, 2014 (UTC)

    I appreciate your responses and understand why you decided not to follow this. I just wanted to point           out that Toriyama DID write those things I mentioned and even this site states that. Please avoid                   spreading misinformation. MatiuxFox (talk) 04:51, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

We try our best to state where info is coming from, if it does not originate from an obvious source (like anime episode pages listing anime info by default). On character articles, we try our best to differentiate; for example, if a character says something in the Funimation dub only, we write (Funimation dub only) after the comment. Please not that the position Star Wars is in is substantially different from ours. They face a complete rewrite of all content in their previously accepted "Expanded Universe", essentially now an alternate reality. While there are a few alternate realities in the Dragon Ball franchise, like Trunks' alternate timeline and "what-if?" video game scenarios, most of the original content including GT and the movies meshes fairly well with the original manga. For Trunks' reality, we do have separate articles, such as Future Goku. Of course it's not a perfect fit, but Stat Wars is going to have a rewrite of everything from major character deaths to swapped marriages and major species never having existed. The equivalent would be the release of a new Dragon Ball series, where Goku starts as a kid again, he's a robot, Krillin doesn't exist, and Bulma is Goku's daughter; then that series ran for 10 years and became more popular than the original series, which faded into obscurity. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:00, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Revival of F?

Why ain't frieza on the deceased list frieza yes he is revived in Revival of F but is shown dead in Hell In gt fighting in super 17 arc with cell both dying again in age 790. The movie is going to take place after the Battle of the Gods which is before gt ovisouly and even though revived in the movie we see frieza dead still in gt. So frieza Is still DEAD! Zackgood (talk) 03:01, February 16, 2015 (UTC) Zackgood

Here is why Frieza was taken of the deceased list because the movie Revival of F is made after the anime series as a whole has ended (which means that this movie may make GT have more plot holes then anything else) even though he is dead in GT is he brought back to life and until he dies in the movie he will not be put back on there.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  07:53,2/16/2015 

If you are referring to the list of characters who remain deceased, it's probably because he doesn't remain deceased. Maybe he will after the movie, who knows. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:02, February 17, 2015 (UTC)

not to mention even though its confirmed hes dead the movie completly retcons frieza in gt now anyway, for one hell is much diffrent for him and his body is compelyl destroyed in a coccon the fact is HFIL was filler and never shown in manga,

you can also consider each person that sins gets its own personal hell seperated from one another so the two doctors would have never meet or had power to escape as it seems once your in hell your powerless and unable to escape 

Too many non-relevant details. Please do some trimming.

I think the wiki here could stand to trim dub-specific details that aren't relevant. The dubs all have a degree of adaptation to them, some heavier than others.

Example from http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/King_Furry

• In the 172nd episode of Dragon Ball Z, King Furry recites a Franklin D. Roosevelt quote: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

How is this cultural reference in the dub script relevant? I wouldn't even consider it trivia.

I'm not saying you need to change all mentions of "Hercule" back to "Mr. Satan" (that would be a different conversation), just more like some editors are a too eager to add whatever details they can discover.

For example: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/King_Piccolo has the same Percel story from Xenoverse in FOUR DIFFFERENT PLACES. Things are a mess here.

On a side note too: Pictures from the ancient low-res manga scans that was flipped to read left-to-right should be flipped back to normal. Those images look really bad but seeing the FX backwards makes it even worse.

Blind51de (talk) 23:36, April 19, 2015 (UTC)

Read this then you will understand far as I am concerned no trimming needs to be done. The whole thing dealing with King Piccolo isn't a problem for at least three of the places because of the section they are in someone else who has been here longer and check and see if they think I am right or not.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  01:24,4/20/2015 

Way to ignore my other points. I don't care about your guys' dub name stockholm syndrome, but I am embarrassed for the amount of irrelevant details clogging up many many articles on here. Stuff like that should go on*http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_real_life_references if anywhere. That page by the way could use some separation of dub details from those that were in the original Japanese script.Blind51de (talk) 13:39, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

No it doesn't I swear how about this how about you edit other problems that are actually a problem like misspellings or broken links since you are wanting to fix this wiki so much because as of right now all you have done is try to say we need to change how we do stuff here which means you haven't been here long enough to see that your reasons for that go against what we have set up to go by. Plus if a character does the real life referencing it possibly needs to be mentioned on their page some where. You just don't understand how stuff is ran here.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  16:45,4/20/2015 

Stockholm syndrome, "the psychological tendency of a hostage to bond with, identify with, or sympathize with his or her captor". Just wanted to throw that out there, no hostages editing the site that I know of. In any case, dub details are relevant because they are licensed Dragon Ball media and this is the Dragon Ball Wiki. It's not the Dragon Ball manga wiki, you can just read the manga if you want that. This wiki's goal is providing info on all media, and it is fundamentally against biased points of view like yours. Please don't take that as an insult, you are absolutely entitled to enjoy and/or ignore whatever you want. However, we cannot omit details of language dubs because they don't meet your personal standards/preferences. Read the parts you want to, ignore the parts you want to, and please understand that there are readers (the majority of readers actually) who have experienced Dragon Ball through an anime rather than a manga. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 23:38, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

Dragon Ball Super

Should we add Dragon Ball Super's page right now, or wait until more information is added? Richtofen2115 (talk) 02:19, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

We already have the page Dragon Ball Super, but I think we'll wait until we have the logo and more info to add it; though we really should add that to the News section. Sandubadear 02:24, May 1, 2015 (UTC)

why didn't any of the king piccolo sons appear in hell? also why didn't lucifer appear in hell? they are canon (Spice boys (talk) 00:37, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

Not every character appears in every scene. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:15, May 8, 2015 (UTC)

yes i guess your right thanks i still think they went to hell (Spice boys (talk) 00:40, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

You're probably right, they seemed pretty evil. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 06:21, May 10, 2015 (UTC)

yes not to mention king piccolo is on the hell list so im sure they there besides if they are in heaven why didn't any of the z fighters meet or mention them? (Spice boys (talk) 00:44, May 11, 2015 (UTC)  

Please add interwiki link

Please admin add interwiki link to lithuanian DB wiki. Just add: [[lt:Pagrindinis Wiki puslapis]] to the end of the page. Thanks —This unsigned comment was made by Pupicucek (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Done. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 20:14, May 24, 2015 (UTC)

character icons

I wanted to propose removing the character "icons" (for lack of the actual word) from the main page (the little circles with character images on them). They seem to just clutter the Main Page in my opinion. 

Thoughts?

Shakuran13' Talk' 08:57, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

They look pretty nice to me. I would happily use that format on another Wikia I go to if I could. They don't look cluttered though, at least not on desktop. Are you a mobile editor? Ripto (talk) 16:45, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

I'm not a mobile editor, I just feel like the main page of a wiki shouldn't be too large, and that having links to every significant character halfway down the page when someone could just use the search bar is inefficient. Shakuran13' Talk'

I'm up for trying new things. We could remove some of the main page clutter and see how it feels for a month or two, then check back in. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 17:10, June 6, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, new things can never hurt. Even if it's as a test to get a feel for it. Ripto (talk) 02:11, June 9, 2015 (UTC)

Latest News update

Latest news needs to be updated to include Dragon Ball Super, and update other points, as Resurrection F has been released in certain territories, and Xenoverse has been released globally.  Dinky Talk 15:34, June 21, 2015 (UTC)

Favorite Character Poll

I believe the favorite character slider poll has been up for nearly 9 months. Might be time to archive it soon. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:49, June 26, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm working on the next one for our main page. Should be up in August. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 02:32, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

The next slider is nearly completed. It should be up sometime next week. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 02:20, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

Can't wait. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:35, August 5, 2015 (UTC)

I put up the new slider today. I moved it up on the main page so it's more visible to visitors. This may be the last one of the main four until I see a strongly active forum topic as feedback to create another slider. We've already got the "Brutal Scenes", "Best Fights", "Best Characters", and "Emotional Moments," so we're going to need more ideas for an upcoming active forum topic if I am going to be adding any more in the future. Additionally, we can switch these four around anytime at will after this one's been up for a while. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 03:41, August 12, 2015 (UTC)

Sweet! Nice work as usual PZ. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:29, August 13, 2015 (UTC)

Main Page

This page needs an update. The names of Dragon Ball Z Resurrection F and other stuff Meshack (talk) 23:01, September 19, 2015 (UTC)

I'll add Resurrection F in the news. What's the "other stuff"? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 02:49, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

the latest news section. Meshack (talk) 02:57, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there is a news section... is there something you would like added or removed? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:32, September 20, 2015 (UTC)

i like the new section.PatrickCunningham (talk) 07:54, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

Jspencer93

all of the pages are loading blank for some reasonJspencer93 (talk) 23:40, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

They look fine to me. Maybe your browser is having trouble today, or maybe Wikia was doing maintenance briefly. Let me know on my talk page if the problem persists. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:57, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

Update

Will an admin update the power poll and change the question to "Who's your favorite Universe 6 warrior?" and add Hit, Cabba, Frost, Botamo , and Magetta. And in the series overview, please remove the "of" in Resurrection F and add DBS episodes. An lastly, remove "The Majin Buu Saga of Dragon Ball Kai continues to air in Japan" in the latest new section. That's all Meshack (talk) 19:33, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, it's been a while since the page was updated. I feel like we need someone to actively change it in a weekly/every other week sorta thing. -- • Final Chidori • Talk 19:51, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

I added DBS episodes to the portal section. I also updated the news section. I'll update the poll next. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:30, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

New poll is up, enjoy! -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:04, April 11, 2016 (UTC)

Heroes/Villains bubbles

There have been a good amount of major characters in DBS so far that aren't in the Heroes and Villains section, despite it containing such notables as Raditz and the Machine Mutants. I think if it doesn't need an update yet, it definitely will by the end of the next arc. Just a DB fan trying his best (talk) 03:11, June 2, 2016 (UTC)

Slider Update

I thought the slider needed some updating, so I made this. Anything I should change? Not sure how I feel about it myself haha. -- • Final Chidori • Talk 23:17, June 17, 2016 (UTC)

Yah, looks neat. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:00, June 18, 2016 (UTC)

Pages from other languages

I suggest you guys add (to the mainpage) links to all the missing languages in which there are Dragon Ball Wikias. You can find below each and every language code to all DB Wikias there are. You're welcome.

• [[pl:]]
• [[de:]]
• [[es:]]
• [[ru:]]
• [[fr:]]
• [[it:]]
• [[pt:]]
• [[da:]]
• [[az:]]
• [[cy:]]
• [[hr:]]
• [[la:]]
• [[vi:]]
• [[ko:]]
• [[zh:]]
• [[is:]]
• [[gl:]]
• [[lt:]]
• [[sr:]]
• [[ja:]]
• [[no:]]
• [[id:]]
• [[sq:]]
• [[ca:]]
• [[nl:]]
• [[pt-br:]]
• [[fi:]]

Greetings from Poland, vegeta391 (talk) 17:09, July 22, 2016 (UTC).

Why STILL no Bulma in the hero Main Page bubbles?

This made sort of a sense when you were just including the Z fighters, but now that the wiki has merged the Dragon Ball Gang and Z fighters into one team and article, it makes no sense. Even the article that the Heroes links to even states:

"The team officially formed when Goku agreed to go with Bulma on her quest to find the Dragon Balls."

So why not add her now as well as Oolong and Puar. Are we really saying that isn't an important part of that team? Honestly, the only reason not is to is because of Saiyan pride.Gretnablue (talk) 22:36, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

Those bubbles were made years ago by our (now retired) admin, SSJGoku93, so they're a bit outdated now anyway. I'm thinking of replacing them soon with more updated bubbles/something else, but I'd have to decide on a layout for those then get the approval of other admins and the community before doing that. Does anyone have any suggestions for the layout? -- • Final Chidori • Talk 00:36, September 28, 2016 (UTC)

Affiliations

Alright guys, I'm thinking about implementing an affiliations tab on our main page. We already have a "Funimation Wikis" box at the bottom of the page, but as far as I know we can't edit that ourselves and many of the wikis on there are small, old, and inactive ones so it's pretty pointless to have them there. I've checked many of their pages and close to none of them use the box themselves, so we're not really benefiting from it at all. Creating an affiliations tab like the One Piece wiki's (already got them to affilate with us, by the way) allows us to pick the wikis we want to affiliate with, and it would mutually benefit both wikis. Thoughts? -- • Final Chidori • Talk 20:34, October 8, 2016 (UTC)

What is the benefit you are referring to? I don't see how links to other Wikis on the main page helps anyone. The Funimation box is nice because it tells readers who like DB about some similar shows. Making "alliances" with other Wikis seems shallow, and has the potential to pull us into policy agreements or feuds that we could otherwise avoid. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:07, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Affiliating with other wikis puts a link to this wiki on their main page, giving us more traffic, and in some cases, more editors. The Funimation box only links to wikis about shows that have been dubbed by Funimation, so it contains many series that are vastly different from Dragon Ball. For example,this wiki, this wiki,or this wiki (there's many more examples, I'm trying not to cherry pick) have literally nothing in common with DB excluding the fact that they're anime shows. One of the benefits to having an self-managed affiliations box would be that we can affiliate with bigger shows that are more similar to Dragon Ball, such as Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, OPM, etc. I'm aware that a few of these shows are in our current Funi box, but they do not stand out at all in the jumble of blue links the box contains. Affiliations aren't exactly alliances, and I can't see how they'd pull us into policy agreements or feuds. They're quite easy to set up, all we do is put the logo and link of another wiki into our box and they put the DB logo and link into theirs. Sort of like what we've done with the fanon wiki, except in a box. -- • Final Chidori • Talk 00:53, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

I'm concerned we'll also be judged by the actions of those other Wikis. Some of them have policies set up that our community (and Wikia) strongly disagree with. We may get more editors, but will they necessarily be good editors? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 18:29, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

Cleanup

This wikia is a mess and needs a general cleanup. The mixture of canon and non canon content is not only annoying but confusing as hell. The One Piece wikia has formatting and that should be applied here in my opinion. 88movement (talk) 18:05, October 10, 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't call myself a One Piece expert (though I've read every chapter and seen every episode so far), but it is a different franchise and perhaps has an official canon. DB has no official canon, making your suggestion a bit absurd and also impossible. Check out my talk page; there's a link at the top to my explanation of the canon situation as it exists for the DB franchise. Read it over and reformulate your request if you have suggestions. If you respond with something like "everything Toriyama wrote is canon" I can't help you. It's much more complicated for us than other series. We have movies written by Toriyama, manga not written by Toriyama, anime written partially by him, and contradictory versions of the same events with equal amounts of his input. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:15, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure where your talk page is I can't find the link. However the only canon material is the DB manga and the Dragonball Super Anime. I do think using names for techniques from games is fine though and obviously certain side stories like Jaco the patrolman are canon to the main series. 88movement (talk) 07:25, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Ok all you have to do is click here it says talk on his sig and it will take you to his talk page, or just click on his name and then click on talk once you get there. Now it sounds like to me your are one of these people who think anything that is not by the original author is not canon, well here is the problem with that you can think that all you want but just because you and some others think that doesn't mean that it is true, look at the Star Wars series their official canon before Disney got the rights was pretty much anything except Video Games, why because the OA or studio didn't say what was canon and what wasn't like this series, so until Akria Toryiama says that Dragon Ball GT is non-canon since all the DBZ movies (minus the last two) clearly happen in either an alternate reality or alternate timeline. Bottom line is we don't have anyone besides a voice actor who has said anything about the official canon and we can't take a voice actor's word as a reliable source as they have barely anything to do with the series.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  08:29,10/11/2016 

Movement, there is no official DB canon. Toriyama has never mentioned or set up an official canon for the series. -- • Final Chidori • Talk 16:22, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

Well Toriyama himself views GT as a side story you can see that from this interview: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-book-gt-toriyama-intro/ The manga is the original storyline and Super fills in the gaps. A quote from Toriyama: " The Artificial Human and Cell story arc was pretty rough… I guess you could say I did all I could with Freeza, so I was burned out, and figured I couldn’t pull off a better battle than that. I thought, “Do I really have to keep going?” Even when Cell ended, it still didn’t feel like it could end. So before the Boo story arc began, I said “Once this next thing wraps up, I want to end it no matter what.” Because I thought there was no way for any stronger guys to pop up, or for Goku to get any stronger than he already was. So my starting point for the Boo arc was, “This is the end, so I’m going to draw whatever I want!” I always liked dumb gags, so I made things comical, with the Great Saiyaman and Gotenks and whatnot. It wasn’t until immediately before the final chapter that I thought up the ending. I needed something that would signal this truly was the end, so I jumped forward ten years… But I didn’t count on the series continuing in anime form11, so I bet it was really rough on everyone over at the anime company. (laughs)". Source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-interview/.88movement (talk) 21:10, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

That is his opinion of GT he didn't say the words GT is non-canon what do you not understand about our stance on canon.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  21:25,10/11/2016 

the infamous canon debate returns... there's no offical canon. both Dragon Ball GT and Dragon Ball Super are sequels to Dragon Balll Z Nikon23 21:25, October 11, 2016 (UTC)

88movement, did you know that the super movies (DBZ BoG and RF) were written by Toriyama, while the anime is only based on his plot outline? I'm curious how you decided what canon is. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 18:31, October 12, 2016 (UTC)

The movies were retconned as soon as Super began, use common sense.88movement (talk) 11:33, October 15, 2016 (UTC)

88movement you do realize that the first two saga's of Super are just retelling the movies with some stuff added in, Also I think you need to go and read the rules.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  13:37,10/15/2016 

The word "canon" has never meant that only material justified by the original manga fits into that category; that definition itself is not CANON to the English language. Just because you don't like GT does not make it non-canon. In storytelling, the word canon is a relative term, i.e "canon TO." Some things are only canon TO the manga, others are only canon TO the anime, and others are only canon TO a specific author. In the case of Dragon Ball, there is no such thing as "canon to Akira Toriyama's writings." You can give your analyses of as many quotes as you want, but he nor anyone producing Dragon Ball material has ever used the word canon before, nor do they actually care to maintain just a single continuity. When someone asks if GT is canon, they are referring to the anime. You can argue that the anime is baased on the manga so everything should be relative to that, but then some greasier fellow could argue that the manga is based on Journey to the West, etc. GT was a direct continuation from Z and canon to the anime by the definition of the word. Yes, it considered elements from films taking place in an alternate reality, but so did Z. GT has always been canon up to the release of Battle of Gods, which has clear plot points to confirm that the story is no longer continuing down a path that considers the events of GT. NOW, it is not canon. NOW, we need to clean up all pages to reflect that fact. So I've established the validity of GT before and after the release of Battle of Gods, and there is no argument, but somehow you people will have some, so go ahead. King Kid (talk) 09:10, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

You make an interesting set of claims, but alas you need to understand what a wiki is. First, you make many claims about what canon means to you, but you provide no sources for your viewpoint, preventing us from believing your explanation holds any weight. Statements such as DB producers never establishing a canon are basically true, but the "canon to manga, anime, films, etc." is just one of many ways fans choose to organize the various stories in their mind. Most importantly as it pertains to your conclusion, you argue that GT is not canon because it contradicts the later Super series (which occurs before GT, is not finished, and has only a handful of elements that will contradict GT if not corrected before the series ends). If they do end up contradicting, you forgot to say why a later version of the media would supersede an earlier version (an arbitrary rule I have never heard of applied to the original manga vs. later media). While very confident, your short comment here is far from a definitive settlement of what canon might be to DB and how GT and Super interact. If you plan to continue using Wikis, I encourage you to be open to others' (where "you people" refers to everyone else in the world since this Wiki is publicly editable by anyone) opinions and allow for the possibility they may have something of value to add. Ending a claim on something so obviously controversial with "there is no argument" is rather closed-minded. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 17:10, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

Unofficial Films

Why are those bootleg Korean and Chinese films listed every at every possible chance. They are "illegal" productions that have nothing to do with the actual franchise. And somehow they're always grouped with Dragonball Evolution like they're in the same league. Just because nobody likes Evolution doesn't mean that it should be excluded from the official film lists. It is an official production made legally by those who had the franchise's film rights at the time. King Kid (talk) 08:49, October 21, 2016 (UTC)

Changes

Happy 2017, everyone! To kick off the new year, Dragon Ball Super, and the DBZK Buu saga's English releases, I figured our Main Page could use a few updates.

First off are the character portals. A little over four years ago, SSJGoku93 created the portals to allow people to find and look at important pages directly from the main page. Four years ago, these portals were helpful and contained many relevant characters. However, with the recent release of Super (and by extension, several new important characters), they're in desperate need of an overhaul. New characters such as Beerus, Whis, Hit, and Black will be added. This means that some portals will have to be removed in order to prevent the section from being too crowded. Currently, we have 32 character portals in place. I'd personally like to reduce this to somewhere around 24 boxes (four sections of 6), but a few more would be fine as well. As we all know, Dragon Ball has quite a large cast, so narrowing it down to such a low number isn't an easy task. Your opinions and suggestions on which characters to add or keep would be very appreciated. 

As for the portals themselves, they will be changed to look like this.

The portals linking to the manga, episodes, sagas, films, and video games will also be slightly changed to line up better with the character portals.

The wiki news and updates section will also be updated to contain more relevant information, as will some other links around the page. I'm hoping to be able to restart the Featured Articles section which has been dead since 2010.  The "Top 30 Emotional Moments" slideshow will be moved below the portals (hopefully we can make another slideshow in the near future as well). 

The Main Page is one of the most important pages on the entire wiki, so the community's opinion here is greatly valued and appreciated. If you disagree or have any concerns with the changes suggested above, please don't hesitate to voice them. Thank you! -- • Final Chidori • Talk 19:08, January 1, 2017 (UTC)

• I like the look of this and agree with inputting it. As for which character portals should be removed, since we're going Super centric we can remove all of the character portals that are not relevant to current Dragon Ball: Chiaotzu, Yajirobe, Uub, Zarbon/Dodoria, Ginyu Force, Nappa/Raditz, Androids, King Piccolo, Red Ribbon Army, Tao, Machine Mutants, Baby, Shadow Dragons and Film Villains. --Neffyarious (talk) 04:23, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:49, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

I don't mind the character portals being updated for style, but I strongly disagree with the removal of any of the portals; all the portals should be kept as DBZ is more representational of the most popular of the franchise as opposed to what's the newest thing such as Super. I feel we can add some new ones from Super but not remove any of the characters from DB or DBZ. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 18:41, January 4, 2017 (UTC)

That's good perspective. Sometimes we forget that Super is new and exciting for super-fans like us, but it's not even released in English yet! Except the movies of course. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:54, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

I do think it is better that we cut down on the character portals or at least not increase them. If we keep the DB/DBZ portals we could still avoid increasing the amount of portals by removing the secondary characters who were hardly relevant outside of their arc - those being Zarbon/Dodoria, Ginyu Force, Nappa/Raditz, Red Ribbon Army, Tao, and Machine Mutants in order to make space for the DBS characters. Also if we keep it, Broly should be the character representing Film Villains, since he's the most recurring/popular one.--Neffyarious (talk) 14:06, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

• Bulma also needs a portal, I'm surprised she wasn't given one initially given her prominence in the series since it's start.--Neffyarious (talk) 14:08, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

I agree with Neffyarious. SupremegogetaFile:Gogeta photo.jpg 14:18, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with Neffyarious on this matter. No characters, especially not Zarbon, Dodoria, The Ginyu Force, Nappa, Raditz, Red Ribbon, etc. should be removed because they are the only reason some fans such as myself even love this franchise. Each character holds prominence as a main character in each saga that they are in. Lets not cut down the character portals to primary characters who are the faces of DBZ alone. These are the strong building blocks that make the sagas stand out. This matter was discussed prior and a consensus held that characters not be removed that were added as they hold significant importance in each saga and that characters be added from newer installments but not removed from previous ones. I vote highly against the removal of the aforementioned characters and also refuse the addition of some newer ones such as Zamasu and Black Goku as they are not as representational as characters as of yet. They are only newly introduced people in the DB universe and even though I was neutral for these characters, I feel that their importance may be questioned. Also, I am strongly against the addition of Broly as the representation of the movie universe. There are many movie characters that are more important than Broly in the movie universe, namely Cooler. And lets not decipher this based on Broly appearing in 3 movies and Cooler in 2, but the fact that Cooler was actually in DBGT and numerous other Dragon Ball phenomena, even the games featuring unique cutscenes teamed with other villains. I strongly refuse the removal of any characters from the portals. But as for the addition of Broly as movie universe representational, this discussion was had: here and the consensus was that Broly not be the only representation of the movie universe and that Garlic Junior (his own saga) and Cooler had equal if not more significance as each received their own additional material. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 17:31, January

I strongly disagree with you on this one Prince Zarbon. You cant disagree with the addition of the newer characters Super has produced. I see your right with the older characters but im gonna have to listen to that old saying out with the old and in with the new. Cooler wasnt really in Gt he was shown in a picture but thats it. He didnt really do anything is what im saying. He is in Plan to eradicate the super saiyans. So that could count. Goku Black And Zamasue deffiently have earned there right into there respective portals. Characters such as Zarbon and Dordioa (even if they are your favorite) should be removed by now in order to make room for the newer ones. They never had a major thing to do in the series after there apparances. Frieza, cell and buu should stay. The lackys should go. Sorry mate. --SupremegogetaFile:Gogeta photo.jpg 18:20, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

The character portals are supposed to serve as quick links to popular and relevant pages. If we look at our popular pages, the Dragon Ball Super characters are consistently collecting thousands of page views. People are clearly interested in characters such as Goku Black, Zamasu, and Hit, which is why I believe adding them is a good idea. I personally love the "building block" characters like Raditz and Zarbon, but keeping them all in would mean flooding the page with portals. An alternative would be adding few portals at the bottom linking to specific groups (The Red Ribbon Army, The Saiyans,The Frieza Force, etc.)

The representative movie villain doesn't exactly matter; if we can't agree on one, we can just add multiple villians in one picture. It wouldn't look distorted anymore since we're not using the orb design. — • Final Chidori • Talk 20:33, January 5, 2017 (UTC)

I don't think keeping five extra portals to represent Zarbon/Dodoria, Nappa/Raditz, The Ginyu Force, Red Ribbon Army, etc. takes up room. And since you said that the portal design would be more slim it should be easier. I didn't say for us not to add newly introduced characters such as Zamasu or Goku Black from Super but not at the expense of removing classic villains. What I meant is that if we are to introduce others, we don't need to remove anyone as there would be no clutter from keeping five extra portals. I am strongly against the removal of the aforementioned. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 18:51, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps keeping the new characters up top/first would keep everyone happy. Characters like Nappa, Red Ribbon Army, and The Ginyu Force either have lasting impacts on Super or remain relevant in popular culture. It's harder for me to defend Dodoria and Zarbon, Roshi, Uub, Tao, King Piccolo, and Yajirobe who are all pretty minor these days. Their articles can all easily be accessed by other means. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:42, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Agreed. As long as we add the newer characters. Theres no point in keeping decades old characters over these freshly new created ones. Lets not forget super still has a way to go which means there will be more characters. After super is completley finished in both Japan and US itll be easier for us to decide who stays and who goes. I say we do a poll about it and tally up votes. (But thats after super is finished) Until than. SupremegogetaFile:Gogeta photo.jpg 23:48, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Polls are not a good way to get the best result. Popular things can be bad, and the best things may not be popular. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 23:55, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

I know what you mean. But still supers not even close to being done so theres going to be new characters on top of the ones we're getting ready to add. So what are we going to do when its finished? Like how are we going to choose who stays and who goes? SupremegogetaFile:Gogeta photo.jpg 00:04, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

The same way we're doing now, discussion on this talk page. An admin will implement. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:49, January 7, 2017 (UTC)

I am in strong disagreement with the removal of Frieza's top two elites from the main page as this is the only redeeming factor in regards to the main page by my perspective (two major players in the orchestration of the Frieza debacle as a whole and the series itself, the Saiyan genocide included and the elimination of the Bardock team and the eventual beatdown of Vegeta is more than noteworthy, playing a stronger role for the storyline itself than the whole Ginyu Tokusentai combined). Additionally, when it comes to appearances, they both made cameos in DB Super episode 19. And they have merchandise featured on the newest Super releases due to being iconic characters whereas people like Zamasu don't have anything merchandise-worthy and aren't top sellers or popular characters. Zarbon has 60 collectible figurine items. Zamasu, Champa, etc. have maybe one and possibly no more after that. Being new doesn't make something good. It will be old five years from now, but won't be as amazing as the Frieza Saga, just as Cell followed and so did GT. Frieza's elites are featured on cans, bottles, cards, bags, playmats, numerous other utensils and other merchandise and characters from Super are not. I feel the Dragon Ball franchise bleeds well into the marketing and merchandise angle and DBSuper has very little going for it compared to what has been established by DB and DBZ. As I said, removal is something I am very strongly against. I feel newer or "featured" characters can be implemented but not at the expense of removing the sinister villains who add color and charisma to the main page. I don't think keeping a mini icon to represent Zarbon and Dodoria is going to add clutter to the main page. If anything, it will only maintain a strong semblance of the reason why villain fans such as myself still love DBZ. If the removal of the remainder is plausible, then its negotiable, but not Zarbon and Dodoria as they contributed too heavily to the chronology of the Dragon Ball story in its primary focus, backstory, and left an impact on Vegeta via the fruits hanging off his hair in the episode of DBSuper even as a powerful reference. This is my two cents. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 12:54, January 7, 2017 (UTC)