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Unnamed Character Merger Proposition

I think a nice thing to do here is to fuse all these regular unnamed soldiers into one article. For example, there's a few hundred soldiers allied with Frieza (random and unnamed) and same as these terrafreeze soldiers working for Slug...and countless Majin Grunts working for Babidi (some killed by Yakon and some killed by Gohan). All these characters should be on one page and it should be called "Random Soldiers" or something of that nature. It would be space efficient and an easily accessible resource. It would also save us from having separate articles for all these lesser than tertiary characters. - PrinceZarbon 04:24, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

After much extensive searching, I have located the following to have multiple inaccuracies, aside from their extreme non-notability:

• Strock - See Oggers.
• Strong - See Oggers.
• Zeso - There is no Zeso. He was just an "unnamed soldier" in many millions who flew out. This is a fictitious name. Best name to give him is "Frieza Soldier" as is given in the Budokai Tenkaichi series.
• Rittain - There is no Rittain. That is also a fake name. This character was filler and mentioned as "Birdbrain" or something of that nature. Best name would be "Unnamed Bird-like Soldier".
• Pomegren - The best name we can attribute to this character is "Frog-Face" or "Unnamed Frog-Face Soldier" but his name is NOT, I repeat, NOT Pomegren. That is a fictional fan-made name. It needs to be fixed, something many of these articles suffer.
• Oggers - very inconsequential. This definitely needs to be fused/merged into a list, along with Goose, etc.
• Joran - see above.
• Goose - see above.
• Gallo - see above.
• Captain Jaggerai - There is no Captain Jaggerai. This is a fictitious name. This needs to be just simply "Captain" or "Unnamed Captain".
• Commander - This is the best format of naming we can give to this character; the same should be done to many others listed here.
• Tanger - Not a real name. See below.
• Grepe - Not a real name. See below.
• Commander Cado - Not a real name. None of the warriors of Dodoria's elite are named.
• Boysenberry - Incorrect name. Does not exist.
• Orin - Not a real name.
• Brocco - Unnamed character.
• Pumpkin - Unnamed character.
• Tsuno - Not a real name. This Namek elder was NEVER named Tsuno. This is a fan-made name and should be erased. This should be "Unnamed Namekian Elder".

These are the examples of who can be fused into one page. Some of them are wrong names and were never named in the series nor the manga and people have wrongfully added fancruft fiction and created their own names (which do not correspond to the canonicity). Most of these should either be fused/merged or removed entirely if they are not renamed to "Unnamed Soldier" or "Unnamed Namekian". Much of the errors need to be fixed, dealing with false names and inaccurate associations. - PrinceZarbon 06:30, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

In my opinion, if a character is legitimately nameless then it should be sincerely considered that their article be deleted. It's okay to sometimes have articles go by "Unnamed whatever," but this shouldn't be regarded as a set in stone rule. Most characters who are nameless and appear in little more than the background are better off mentioned in more appropriate articles like the saga overviews or articles for characters they appear with. For example, if the members of Dodoria's Elite are truly nameless (they're certainly not playable in any video games and I don't own any Daizenshuu copies so I wouldn't know for certain), then their information would be better off merged with Team Dodoria. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 06:54, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

If we follow your opinion (which I agree with), the wise decision would be to eliminate all unnamed characters. I was thinking of an alternative of merging them all into one page and calling them "unnamed etc." but after extensive thought, I concur with the logic of deleting them as well; it's most definitely better than fan-made speculation names that aren't real. In this case, I am bringing to your attention that all the characters I have specifically listed for you above are one of three things:

• a) incorrectly named
• b) highly inconsequential
• c) both

I suggest we either move on to merging them all into one page and/or deleting them completely. The decision is yours, but it'd be nice if we were quick about it either way; To answer you on the issue of Dodoria's elite, let me confirm for you that they are never named and are highly inconsequential, all appearing in one scene, the same scene in which they are killed and are never named. All others I have listed above share that same attribution, they are all inconsequential or unnamed and/or both. I hope we're being productive here mate. I'd like to maintain a highly encyclopedic resource far from fancruft my dear comrade. - PrinceZarbon 05:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

There's two more inaccurate names I've located: Bund and Vug. I've merged them into the list as well. - PrinceZarbon 06:52, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

I have a feeling that Demetrious, Namole, Planthorr, Malaka and Toolo are incorrect names as well. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 02:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I double checked them all. Namole, Malaka, and Planthorr are real names and those are highly accurate. However, Demetrious and Toolo are actually named off-screen; they are both highly inconsequential and only appear in one scene; the scene they are killed in by Giant apes. - PrinceZarbon 06:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, well I don't really oppose articles for characters who make limited appearances in the series; my main focus here is just to ensure that unnamed characters aren't being referred to on Dragon Ball Wiki by fan names. What is the source for Demetrious and Toolo's names, another Funimation credit roll? Vixen Windstorm (talk) 07:06, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

It's not even a credit roll in the case of Demetrious and Toolo. They are referenced in the very beginning of the Bardock special in the background chit-chat; which consequently did not happen in the Japanese version. I'm not sure if either of them even said anything or were named "Demetrious" in the Japanese version. However, in the English redub, you can hear one of them call another "Demetrious" before he gets crushed by an ape. I think Toolo (or Tooro in the Japanese version is a real name but Demetrious only exists by name in the english redub). Here's your reference to the only second where the name "Demetrious" is blurted out: [you get confirmation of Malaka and Planthorr as important scientists in the very beginning, and they appear a lot throughout] ...at 1:21 seconds into the clip you will hear the name Demetrious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W1J4O8e1Ws

However, the character is offscreen the whole time and it's so inconsequential and minor that he should be merged/fused with the list as well. Let me know what you think. - PrinceZarbon 14:36, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

I think you're right. There's no way of verifying which Kanassan is Demetrious since the scene doesn't show neither who's speaking nor who's being spoken to. I don't think it would be necessary to add him to even the list of tertiary characters, since we can't verify who he is exactly. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 18:10, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes comrade, I would suggest the same thing. I will explore furthermore and if I find other inconsistencies and inaccuracies, I will be sure to bring them up. I have moved this conversation from the Slug's soldiers talk page as that page has been integrated into the list. - PrinceZarbon 19:55, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Bund and Vug

If "Bund" and "Vug" (Unnamed Blue Frieza Scout and Unnamed Purple Frieza Scout, respectively) appear in the video game Goku Gekitōden, what names are they given in battle? That could help trim two more characters off this list. Vixen Windstorm (talk) 09:18, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that they are unnamed; in the instance where they appear in the RPG game, they have changing names (you know how their hair color and skin color is changed and they are random enemies)...sometimes it is Bun, Bund, Bugy, Slug, Yuz, Vug, Boon, etc. But none of those names are official (or we'd have three or four different names for each of them). All those names are actually just spawn titles for similar palette enemies. The only official names in the RPG game are the bosses as their names are kept intact both in-game and in the anime. The only way we can confirm any of the names is if they are aligned with those of the manga/anime. The best titles we can truly give them is Unnamed [color of skin] soldier...or like the "Frieza Soldier" in the budokai series. - PrinceZarbon 19:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

In the Tournament mode, all characters use the same name, including the enemies Banan, Sui, Raspberry, Appule and Nappule (name derived from Pineapple). They are all available in the beginning, along Cui, but only the main characters can be used by the player, having the same strength of Story mode. I didn't saw Nappule in the anime. He can be seen in the beginning of this video in YouTube, is he new to the game? --201.70.145.224 15:47, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Unnamed orange soldier

I still maintain this guy's name "Orlen" is official. It's given in the closed captioning for the VHS tape Quest (Ocean Dub version). I didn't doctor this in any way. Honest-to-God digital photo taken of my TV screen with CC turned on. Anyone that owns this tape can go and look for themselves.

‎ - Kooshmeister

That is from the ocean dub I assume. It can be noted that his name is "Orlen" in the ocean dub, but he was unnamed in the funi dub. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 15:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's from the Ocean version. But since Funimation was producing those episode, both Ocean and the closed captioning people had to have been working from material given to them by Funimation. I can't see either making the name up themselves. Anyway, I just wanted to show that the name had at least semi-official origins is all. - Kooshmeister

Which is great since we all need these extremely minor appearing characters to be named. Although they'll still be kept on the tertiary list as that's what they are, the specific notation that the ocean subtitles name this specific character is a nice tidbit. If you happen to find any other names in the subtitles you feel should be added, please feel free to bring them up and I will make the addition for you. If only the character's name is mentioned onscreen, it would provide for an actual name in the title. Thanks for the committed work. You know that Frieza's crew make up most of my favorite characters mate. :] - PrinceZarbon (talk) 19:02, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

To be fair, don't Raspberry and Blueberry also go unnamed in Funimation's dub? Their names stem from the original Japanese version, I know, but I watched both English versions and neither is named onscreen (they are, however, identified by name in some trading cards I used to have, whereas poor Orlen is only named in the captions). And, don't sweat it. Frieza and his henchmen have always been my favorite villains, too, to the point where I pay almost an unnatural amount of attention to them. - Kooshmeister

Well mate, Frieza's henchmen are not only my favorite villains, but they're also my favorite characters overall. We want to ensure that everything is as encyclopedic as possible; I wish Orlen had a card or something of that nature to confirm his name as in all versions. But Blueberry and Raspberry's names are not only in the Japanese version, but also in the Ocean and Funi version. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 19:37, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Raspberry and Blueberry go unnamed in the dialogue of both the Ocean and Funi dubs. They might be named in the credits of the Funi version, but in neither version are they called by name in the actual episode(s). - Kooshmeister

Orlen is named in Japanese: オーレン, Ōren. Orlen seems a correct adaptation of his Japanese name in english. It should be changed to Orlen. Jeangabin666 04:07, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Orlen on the Japanese wikipedia: http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%89%E3%83%A9%E3%82%B4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9C%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AB%E3%81%AE%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E3%82%AA%E3%83%AA%E3%82%B8%E3%83%8A%E3%83%AB%E3%81%AE%E7%99%BB%E5%A0%B4%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9

And on imdb.com: http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0162274/ Jeangabin666 05:13, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Not sure where I stand on the overall topic yet, but I can tell you that neither Wikipedia nor IMDB are credible sources. Even Wikipedia does not consider the content of its articles as a credible source for citation on its other articles, true story. IMDB is like a pay-to-edit wikia. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 05:19, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I concur with 10X about this matter. Neither IMDB nor any of the wikipedia sources are definitive. Anyone can submit that information and it can just as easily be altered/changed. I have been a well-contributing member on both sites, so I find it rather odd that people still rely on them as encyclopedic resources, when they are merely the latest information-gathering junctions... pretty much good for new information, but always in the works. There's no sustained basis as to why we should go by what either of these sources has... though limited, our best, and ultimately reputable sources are the manga (first), anime (second), movies (third), games (fourth), and Daizenshuu (fifth)... as well as inserts, and other collectibles, exclusively released in conjunction with Bird Studio/Shueisha... so we can be 100% positive the material is reliable. That is, after all, our most important task; to obtain the most definitive and encyclopedic material. So, yes, I agree with 10X on this matter. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 21:59, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

He is also called Orlen (オーレン) in Dragon Ball Z: Super Saiya Densetsu: http://lucifer.s14.xrea.com/hobby/supersaiya/ Jeangabin666 03:48, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Is that an officially licensed or unofficial publication? I only ask because I don't think the latter can be cited. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 04:51, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Unnamed Amphibious Freeza Soldier's name is Frog-Face

Frog-Face Card

This Dragon Ball Z card reveals that his name is Frog-face. This is the only thing that exists that gives him a name so he should be officially known as Frog-face with his own article. - SuperTiencha (talk)

I already know that in the card game he's referred to as "frog-face". He's still a tertiary character. (He isn't named in the anime or manga, however) tertiary characters all belong on this page only, even if they're named in the one scene that they appear in, like this one. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 05:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Isn't Namole a tertiary character? He's in one scene and has no substantial role besides getting killed by Frieza. Yet he gets his own page just because he has a name when several of the characters listed here (like the Namek elder and the orange-haired doctor) have bigger roles than him. It's a little bit unfair actually. But I blame the writers for not ascribing names to the characters. - Kooshmeister

They're all tertiary characters. Some are currently listed with their own pages as they are named while others such as the namek elder are never named. However, others such as Scarface and Shorty in episode Pendulum Room are also tertiary characters although they are named. These are all ver minor characters who are limited to one scene each, so to speak. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 23:18, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd argue that Shorty and Scarface are limited to a single sequence rather than a single scene, and that despite this, they have an actual role in the story (namely by showing how powerful even lower class Saiyans are, and providing the heroes with a taste of what is to come). Which is more than Namole can say. He doesn't even move from the one spot he stands in the entire time. At least Shorty and Scarface fight. - Kooshmeister

Im kind of confused what this article is exactly. I don't really know what a tertiary character is and shouldn't a character get its own article if it has at least one name to identify them by given from any piece of official media. - SuperTiencha (talk)

No, absolutely not if they are random extras. It takes more than a few seconds of airtime to be a character. These are all random people in the background who are likely unnamed and all unnamed people belong here. Even if they receive a name in a dubbing error by a faulty error in translation or if they have names for the card games (that of which is the sole purpose of adding to the card game), they still don't need their own profiles. What would it say on the profile for "Frog-Face"? A soldier who hands a dragon ball to Dodoria... and then gets killed at random in the background when three unnamed Namekians show up. And that would be the entire bio. These, for all intent and purposes, belong here on this list. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 03:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

So wouldn't characters like Bear Thief and Tiger Thief be here as well. - SuperTiencha (talk).

I'd have included them here myself, except those characters actually do portray some kind of progression in the series. Bear Thief is one of the first guys Goku faces if I'm not mistaken, and he's showcased separately rather than a horde of unnamed background people. However, for all intent and purposes, he does appear as an actual opponent in the DB games. It would be wise to fuse him to the tertiary list if more notability is not established, regardless, as the name "Bear Thief" doesn't qualify for much. The problem is that he actually has substantial amount of information to be kept separate, such as the likes of Scarface and Shorty. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 20:13, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Since there is an article like this for characters should there be one for unnamed vehicles and technology because I have seen alot of them that have no name. - SuperTiencha (talk)

That's a very good idea. I assume you could compile a worthwhile list and entitle it "List of unnamed technology" which would include vehicles and contraptions in general. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 18:26, September 1, 2009 (UTC)

Unnmaned Pilaf Robot Bird

Pilaf's Robot Bird Spy

This is a robot bird that informed Emperor Pilaf that Goku and the others were on their way to his castle. Whats your opinion on this. Should this go in this article or should this be in the unnamed Technology. This would probably count as a cyborg. - SuperTiencha (talk)

This would be a perfect example for the technology list. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 02:51, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Characters to be added

This is a list of characters that qualify for a tertiary character that aren't added yet.

• Soldier 23
• Bullies of the Orin Temple
• Mousey
• Tiger Thief
• Namole
• Cowboys Launch fought (Tall Man, Tubs and some midget guy with a beard)
• The Cop from West City
• The two soldiers who wanted to rape Bulma in "Bulma's Bad Day
• Hasky's Followers
• Old Lady
• Unnamed Bear commander that is shown talking to Commander Red a few times
• Bear Pirate that had one of the Dragon Balls in the King Piccolo Saga (SuperTiencha (talk) 02:09, January 12, 2010 (UTC))

If you have time, feel free to go ahead and add them. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 02:11, January 12, 2010 (UTC)

Its funny how SuperTiencha made almost all of those. Namole, Tallman, and Tubs shouldn't be on the list.I don't really think Demetrious goes on this list either --Silver Sinspawn 04:08, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think that every character that isnt named, or is named something like "Insertnameheres parent". if a character has a name i dont think they go on the list --Silver Sinspawn 04:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

The key here is the amount of time they are on screen. If the character only appears in one episode, they most likely belong on the list (with obvious exceptions being characters who are exceptionally important, such as Frieza's third form). -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 04:51, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly what 10X just said. We need to fuse all of the limited extras and also the people who are limited to one episode or a few instances, nevermind if they are named or not. 10X is right on the mark with this. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 06:23, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

But, Then ALL filler characters (With some exceptions) belong here.this would just be a list of filler characters. --Silver Sinspawn 06:57, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

That's not true either. tertiary characters have appeared in the manga as well, and some filler characters, Pikkon for example, are not tertiary. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 07:13, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Very accurate 10X. Our criteria for fusing is actual appearance ratio as well as the role the character plays. The role of someone like Pikkon, though a filler character, is great, whereas the role of someone like Namole is not... whose role is limited to reporting onscreen for twenty seconds before being blasted away by Frieza. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 07:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Well then im leaving the wiki >.< --Silver Sinspawn 09:17, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Lol, if you don't want to work on the tertiary characters project then we could use your help with any of the other projects. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 09:21, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Its not that,its the fact that you guys have taken the fun out of the wiki for me. What i wanted to do was have a page for each named character,and have as much info as possible,whereas named characters, eg Demetrious, have their info constricted on this page. --Silver Sinspawn 09:25, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

I don't now what to tell you dude, it's just so much more efficient this way. If you can find more than a stub's worth of info for any of these characters then feel free to make them pages, but having dozens of stubs really isn't the way to go. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 09:36, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Id prefer stubs to this.Many wiki's do the same.Well,Bye for now.Im gonna come back when i find something else of relevance to add here.Until then,ill be on other wikis. --Silver Sinspawn 10:19, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Should the Arlian characters be added. - SuperTiencha (talk) 20:58, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

This list

This list killed the wiki for me, so i'm leaving it. Have fun without me. --Silver Sinspawn 04:38, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Farmer

The Farmer with the shot gun should be on this list. He is no more significant than anyone else on this list does anybody agree with me. - SuperTiencha (talk) 17:55, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 20:57, March 9, 2010 (UTC)

Lets put it to a vote

I Say that any character whom is not given an official name should go on this list, whereas a named character should not. Characters such as Dabu should get their own article whereas one with a title like "Pennys Father" or "Soldier 23" should not. There is however a grey area, being the Bear thief, who is sort of an important character (Goku's first fight, also he is in many games), the farmer (who is the first character to "die" in DBZ), and the unammed namekian warrior from Coolers Return. None of these characters are named, however play a certain role, which will also be put to a vote. So, whoever thinks that this list should be for unnamed characters only should vote. Speak your opinion about this and the bear thief, Farmer, and namekian articles. --Silver Sinspawn 06:18, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense to have hundreds of stubs, rather than just an article briefly mentioning unnamed characters. Beside that, casual readers wondering what some Frieza soldier's voice actor was would find it impossible to find an individual article by trying to figure out what an editor here decided to "name" that character. Someone like this character is impossible to find without a List of tertiary characters. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 06:40, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I like Silver Sinspawns idea. This article is a big mess. I think all the named characters should get articles but unnamed characters that bearly served anything to the story like extremely minor unnamed villains should stay here. This article would be organized a bit more that way. Most of my concern with this article is that it's messy and I would be fine with the way it is if we established a better way of organizing these. - SuperTiencha (talk) 07:15, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Every other wiki has lots of stubs, and i'm not saying that we do that, i'm saying legitimately NAMED Characters (Alexi, Dabu, Slimjim, etc) should get articles. I'm saying we keep the list, but named characters should get articles. the unnamed Frieza soldiers, RRA Soldiers etc don't need articles, but characters with genuine names (and thats one SOLID name, not many like Vung, Slug, Orlen) should get to have an article. --Silver Sinspawn 07:18, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Just to clear things up, the point of a stub template is that the articles it is places on don't have enough written. If only a couple paragraphs about a character can be said, then they get places on a group page, like this one. Going by name/no name alone won't work due to characters like the Cell Games Reenactment Actors, who are onscreen for maybe a minute. Perhaps what we need to do is put some subsections into this article, perhaps by saga. That would certainly make the page more readable, and would make the tertiary characters easier to find for casual readers who just know the episode, and not the name. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 07:35, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well, in the case of some characters (Little Flower, Alexi, Sarah, and the bear thief), they can be easily found AND are too significant to be on this list while not being TOTALLY major. they all feature in games, and the Bear Thief is playable in one game. in the cases of the Cell games actors i suggest we convert that section into a page on its own, which will serve as a way to find the actors individual pages. EVERY wiki apart from this one has a load of stubs or short articles. its better than one big page. I Say what we should do is give every named character a list and instead of dividing THIS page, we put them onto the List of Characters page, which is greatly underdeveloped, and give a brief sentence about them to describe them so people can find them. that way the List of Characters page gets fixed up, we have a directory and everyone will be happy, unnamed characters will still be left on this list, leaving about 10-20 characters on this list. --Silver Sinspawn 07:44, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

That is to say we give a link to their article with a brief description, not put their article ON that page --Silver Sinspawn 07:46, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I don't mind this big article but things need to be organized better by their specific origin or era they appeared in. I personally find the idea of individual articles better but for this specific wiki there is too many stub characters in the Dragon Ball franchise so this list would seem better. I know this series for throwing tons of undeveloped minor characters at you. The list is nice for this convinience but the biggest concern is that having a picture for every single one of the characters next to their 2-4 sentence overview is going to disorientate this article. Also many tertiary characters have had their designs rehashed and could create some problems in this article. On top of that there are several characters that still have articles on this wiki that are debatably tertiary so the fate of some of them are undetermined. - SuperTiencha (talk) 08:02, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I dont see what the problem with this article is. If I was just a casual reader I would not find it "unreadable" and would actually find it very useful just as 10X said as if you were watching the Frieza Saga and you saw the "unnamed captain" then it makes it much easier to find. It also clears up having many pointless articles as if there was an article for each tertiary character then there would not be much that you could write on the article page. I for one think the tertiary character page is very handy. This however is just my opinion  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  12:56, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

It seems like most people think that formatting this article with subsections would be the way to go (since stubs are by definition bad). Does anyone have any suggestions for a way to section off the article other than chronologically by saga? -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 18:53, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

We haven't really reached a consensus though have we? It has just been 4 people's opinions  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  18:57, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

We can always wait a few days and see if others have an opinion. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 19:00, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Good plan. I for one have no problem with the current layout of the tertiary Characters page  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  19:04, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

This page is a COMPLETE mess. There are pictures of characters 6 sections down from their section. If we put it chronologically by saga it will still be a mess, just SLIGHTLY less of a mess. I seriously don't get whats wrong with stubs. Why can't we be like every other wiki? They all have stubs. This list is not the way to go. --Silver Sinspawn 05:49, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Silver Sinspawn, can you cite some of these other wikis? I bet that every article that is marked as a stub also has a request that it be added to, meaning that that site's community also decided one-sentence articles are inefficient. For instance: "This article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it," "This article is a stub. You can help Bleach Wiki by expanding it," and "This article is a stub. You can help Dr Slump Wiki by expanding it." It seems to me that you may be in a small minority of users that view stubs as a good thing. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 06:27, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

Sure

• The Bleach Wiki
• The Final Fantasy wiki (ALMOST A WHOPPING 1000 Stubs)
• The Naruto wiki
• The One Piece Wiki (even has 6 subcatergories for the amount of stubs)
• The Pokemon wiki

and various other popular wiki's and each of these wiki's have loads of small articles without stub templates. i don't see why we can't just have a small article with no template --Silver Sinspawn 06:43, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

So all of these wikis agree that those short articles need to be expanded or combined. Good to know. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 08:54, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

No, they don't. Don't put words into anyones mouth. They have stub templates on pages for SHORT pages. they also have SHORT pages. --Silver Sinspawn 03:44, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they do. I'm not putting words in anyone's mouths, I quoted them for you : ) -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:52, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Could you show me where i said every one of those wiki's agreed that short articles needed to be combined? --Silver Sinspawn 07:36, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

You didn't say the wikis did, just read their stub templates that some of them apparently have 1000 of posted. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 13:48, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

I still agree with 10XKamehameha about this. All inconsequential or brief appearing characters, named or not, should go on this list. The best way to maintain this specific article is alphabetically by name. It's been stabilized in that manner and should remain as such. - PrinceZarbon (talk) 15:38, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

I agree that there should be a comprehensive list like this instead of a bunch of stub articles. However, I think this page could be better organized as well. Perhaps there could be a few of these tertiary pages? They could be split Alphabetically, or chronologically by appearance, or by series. The pages could easily link to each other with a menu at the top or bottom of the articles. That way, there aren't a ton of stub articles, but there also isn't one cluttered-up article. --==> DragonBall.Z GT Goku  Talk Contributions. 17:19, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

I have started a method of organizing the list already. I simply made a section and titled it and put all the tertiary characters that belong in that category under it. Example would be that i made a section called "Aru Village Residents" and then I put all the tertiary characters that are Aru Village residents under that big section keeping them together with each characters in a subsection. I also did this with some other ones such as the Cell Games actors and News Reporters. Anybody have any other ideas? - SuperTiencha (talk) 01:22, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

i also agree. these characters have no real value or anything neither is there any real information about them so there is no point having seperate pages 4 em. its not like someone is gonna wanna look up 'farmer with the shot gun' or 'un-named frieza soldier', get wot im sayin. so its best to keep em all in 1 page. TheDarkPrinceReturns! 01:37, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, people do search Frieza Soldier, and Farmer with shotgun. both are very popular on the internet. But i still stand by my opinion. the list is a less effective way to do this --Silver Sinspawn 05:40, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

UPDATE: Currently there 6 votes (10X, SuperTiencha, Lewich, PZ, DBZGTG, TDPR) in favor of keeping the page, and 1 vote (Silver) against. Additionally, there are 2 votes (SuperTiencha, DBZGTG) in favor of reformatting the page, and 2 votes (PZ, Lewich) against. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:55, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

You know i really hate you dude. But aside from that, if we dont get this done my way, i vote in favour of reformatting it >.> --Silver Sinspawn 07:36, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

As it stands, if we do end up making a change to the page I would happily carry out this task if this is possible, as I am looking for things to do. Also, I can't see why you would "hate" someone because of a tertiary Character's page, and why you would go from editing frequently to almost not editing at all because of this page.  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  12:55, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

i dont hate him for the page. i hate him because he undoes almost all of my edits, and he just HAS to have an opinion in everything. None of the other moderators have to have an opinion of every page. Also, he was promoted to Moderator after just a simple surge of edits over a week, whereas other users have made more edits, and all useful edits at that, so he wasn't as deserving, and he occasionally has moments of megalomania, where he abuses his power. and i just believe the named characters should have pages  Silver Ink (Silver Sinspawn)  ..  .. 

For the record, Silver Sinspawn, I was granted Sysop privileges after two months of contributions to the site (not a week), and furthermore I was given the role of a moderator without having asked for such a position once. Seeing as how it was not my choice, I find it hardly fair for you to hate me over the decisions of others. Additionally, I do not appreciate your slandering me. If you find it impossible to avoid insulting me, please do so on my talk page, rather than inappropriately taking shots at me on an article talk page. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 07:14, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

There had still been plenty of users who had done more and been here longer. --Silver Sinspawn 08:03, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Just because other people have been here longer and done more, doesn't mean they are as good. A user could have had thousands of edits, yet had many of them reverted, many of the edits been made on forum's or talk pages, or maybe not made any major edits.  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  09:33, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Some characters need their own page: those who appear in more than one episode, those who have appearances in other media, those who appear in the manga and are named. Look at the page, most of the characters with those critera have a whole article that aren't stubs on this page. Things have changed with the new guides, new video games, etc.. that give more and more detail about some characters who would have been previously listed merged here. Some famous wikis, like the One Piece one or Naruto have articles about minor characters that are stubs, and here we have "tertiary" charaters who have whole and detailed articles that aren't stub merged into one page... Some characters now need their own page. Jeangabin666 05:26, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Would you mind starting new topics for things like this? Probably no one is monitoring this decision which was voted upon over a year ago. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 05:45, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Reformatting Ideas

I don't know if reformatting will win the vote or not, but I think it would be beneficial to voice the ways in which the page might be reformatted should it win. This may change how people will vote for or against such a formatting change. I think the alphabetical approach is easy to search through, but it tend to look really cluttered. I think there should be sections (as there are some now) that encompass groups of tertiary characters. It may even be an interesting idea to make these individual groups their own article under a category of "tertiary characters". There could be a central page that links to all of them and gives the idea of what actually make a character get put into these pages instead of the notable characters page, and get their own article. --==> DragonBall.Z GT Goku  Talk Contributions. 13:45, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Once again, that would lead to hundreds of stubs (very short articles that are hard to find for casual readers). An idea I brought up earlier for reformatting (a point on which I am currently neutral) was chronologically by saga. Another option that would avoid clutter would be keeping the list alphabetized, but having the current page by a link to 3 or 4 smaller pages (such as "List of tertiary characters A-F", "G-M", "N-S", and "T-Z"). -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 16:35, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a good idea. I also like possibly splitting them chronologically by episode or chapter number. Perhaps List of tertiary characters "Chapters 1-100", "101-200", etc. Or by episode number. Because of this it could also be split by series, Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, and Dragon Ball GT (if going by episodes). Movies would fit in whichever show they were released with.

It might also be good to mention that I am using this section entirely as brainstorming. Bringing up an idea in this section does not in any way commit you to a vote for it.--==> DragonBall.Z GT Goku  Talk Contributions. 16:49, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Types of tertiary Characters should not be split up into articles by types, they should stay together on this one page. I think just putting them in sections under the type they are is good enough. We shouldn't waste so many pages making seperate articles for types of tertiary characters. I'm not so sure about seperating by saga's either only because some saga's had bearly any while other ones had a whole bunch. - SuperTiencha (talk) 18:00, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

So have we come to a consensus on weather to reformat or not?  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  19:30, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

i totally agree wid SuperTiencha. TheDarkPrinceReturns! 19:51, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

So what is the deal with this page?  SSJ4 Lewich  talk  contribs  21:35, April 3, 2010 (UTC)

I believe the concensus seems to be that we keep the singe page, but but reformat it so that characters are grouped together under general and common headings and sections. This way there are not the stub articles, but the single page isn't as cluttered either. This is what I've drawn from reading the conversations. Do correct me if that's not the case. --==> DragonBall.Z GT Goku  Talk Contributions. 23:35, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Hi! If I'm allowed to give my opinion about this page, I agree that it currently looks like a big mess. I understand that you want to keep unnamed and minor characters here, but let's organize them by sagas to make it easier when someone is searching for a certain character. Then, inside each saga's section, characters should be arranged by their first appearance in that particular saga, chronologically. What do you think? Velada 22:31, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Unseen Characters

What should we do about all the articles for unseen characters. I think we should make an article called List of Unseen Characters since all of the articles for unseen characters are even smaller stubs than the tertiary characters. - SuperTiencha (talk) 02:47, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

We've actually already got a list for that, in the form of [[Category:Unseen Characters]]. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 02:51, April 8, 2010 (UTC)

New Way of Keeping Sections organized

I thought of a new way we can keep the images with their sections to avoid this article getting completely messy. Below is an example of what I think should be done to keep them organized. What do you guys think - SuperTiencha (talk)

Another one of Frieza's soldiers on Namek, this soldier is the same alien race as Appule except he is an orange humanoid octopus-like alien with large fangs, no spots on his arms, head, and legs, and red eyes. He is the one who finds the Namekian village that Vegeta had attacked for its Dragon Ball. He interrogates the only survivor, and learns that it was Vegeta's doing. He then kills the Namekian and returns to Frieza's ship to report. He lets it slip that he killed the survivor without first asking where Vegeta may have hidden the Dragon Ball, which angers Frieza. Frieza then kills him without a second thought, zapping him with ki beams from his eyes as Zarbon watched (note that in the original Ocean dub, Frieza killed him for cowardice instead - not wanting to stay where Vegeta might be.) He later appears in hell alongside Appule and other past villains and the oni, watching the fight between Goku and Kid Buu. Note that this orange soldier only appears in the anime. In the manga, it is Appule who discovers the village Vegeta destroyed, and upon returning to report, Frieza does not kill him but orders him to summon The Ginyu Force. He is voiced by Kazumi Tanaka in the Japanese version, Scott McNeil in the Ocean dub, and Chris Cason in the Funimation dub. In the Ocean dub version, although his name is never mentioned onscreen, he is referenced as "Orlen" in the subtitles.

It's a nice thought, but I think that it will ultimately leave a ton of blank space, making the page even longer and harder to read. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 19:46, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Tailor?

Why didn't the tailor who made new clothes for Tao Pai Pai even get mentioned? - User:Kill You/sig 21:56, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Orange Frieza Soldier

Since the orange frieza soldier is so popular, should there be a page for him? Future Gotek may 30

Seperating and merging a few of these

Hey rather than seeing this article being made into a bigger mess than it already is, I think a lot of these characters can be merged into different articles. I'm going to list some suggestions please give feedback if you think its a good idea or if you disagree.

• Merging all of the Cell Games Reenactment Actors (including K. Fujicka and M. Hashimoto) into one article just titled "Cell Games Reenactment Actors" or simply just merging them to the Cell Games Reenactment article.

• Merging the Aru Village residents to the Aru Village article or an list article for them.

• Merging all three Brown County Cowboys to one article or just merging them to the Brown County article.

• Merging all of the tertiary Planet Trade Organization soldiers to a List article for them or just merging them straight to the Planet Trade Organization article.

There's more possibilities but this article is getting way to overwhelming now and I think we should do something about this. - SuperTiencha (talk)

I second that motion, and vote to move these groups of characters to the already existing articles (Cell Games Reenactment, Aru Village, Brown County...) rather than create new ones for them. - Holothurion 11:40, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

But they are characters. Characters and places can't be merged. I think that some characters need their own page: those who appear in more than one episode, those who appear in the manga and are named, and maybe those who have appearances in other media. Jeangabin666 22:54, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Jingle Village Chief

I think the Jingle Village Chief has enough text to write about him that he could have his own page. Just a suggestion.Super Saiyan GoateeSend me a message! 22:47, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree. Jeangabin666 22:54, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Glad you agree. Super Saiyan GoateeSend me a message! 22:57, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree too. So should we make a page and delete him off of the List?DB wizard 22:59, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I cannot make the page myself, I am too busy, but hopefully somebody else can.

Super Saiyan GoateeSend me a message! 23:15, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I will do it then.DB wizard 23:17, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I agree, the Jingle Village Chief was pretty prominent for the short time he was around. - SuperTiencha (talk)

K. Fujicka or K. Fujioka?

Looking at the screencaps from the Cell Games Reenactment episode, it looks like "Fujicka" is actually "Fujioka".

Orlen, Mijorin, Sarta

I think that Orlen, Mijorin and Sarta should have their own page. Jeangabin666 20:02, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I would suggest the same thing about Orange Frieza Soldier, before. Since he -somehow- has a name now, it's perfectly fine to move the related content to its own page. - User:Kill You/sig 20:10, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

I agree with Orlen being its own article, The section has enough content. Also Zarbon's Scouts have lots of information so they should probably get their own article too. - SuperTiencha (talk)

Do not make pages for those characters, as they are tertiary. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 03:54, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

It's a Dragon Ball encyclopedia, so even those characters deserve their own page. Seeing how long this page is becoming. Some characters only appear in one scene or one episode, those characters should remain on the page. Mijorin and Sarta are clearly named in the anime, appear several time in the series including movies (Fusion Reborn) and GT, and have character profiles in several Dragon Ball guides. Jeangabin666 04:27, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Appearing a few times does not make them primary or secondary characters, nor does having a name (see the above topic "Lets put it to a vote"). We need to be really objective here to keep things consistent. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 04:35, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

That's a bit odd. Because, I oftenly get to see a character page with only a few lines and those characters appeared in a very short scene of an episode, as well. Why do they have their own pages, then? Considering we have pages for characters like Zorn who was seen for seconds in a flashbak, or this baby named Pinfu, or Captain of the Guard and so on, this character as well should have its own page. Or these said characters should be moved to this page to prevent the contrariety. - User:Kill You/sig 08:40, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Those characters should be here. When the tertiary characters page was first created, we got a lot of them, but apparently not all : \ 10X Kamehameha (talk) 16:42, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I also agree with Zarbon's Scouts getting an article too. Jeangabin666 18:37, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Well, they're tertiary, so not really an option without deleting this article. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 18:46, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

I'm persistent about EITHER characters like Zorn, Pinfu, Chi-Chi's Mother (lul wut she is seen in a photo for a second, note that her face is not even seen) MUST be moved to this page, OR the characters on this page, who sure have much more detailed info compared to the ones which have their own page, MUST their own pages. - Kill You 14:48, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

That comment is kind of silly Kill You, mostly because Zorn was moved to this page 2 weeks ago. Also because I already gave the go ahead to move Pinfu here (note that even though I'm in a position to be interpreting policy, I will not always have the free time to perfect the articles myself). As for Chi-Chi's mom, what to do with that should probably be discussed on her talk page, since I'd lean toward just mentioning that Chi-Chi has one on Chi-Chi's page rather than putting the one or two sentences anywhere else. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 16:23, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Haha. First off, I was saying "characters like Zorn, Pinfu" etc. What if Zorn got moved to here? There are still a lot of characters in the same situation. Also, no one is expecting you to personally bother moving the characters to this page, or the characters from this page to their own page. We're discussing the issue as whenever someone else makes a moving from/to this page, it may get undone by an admin or another user, which is why the issue is being discussed. It's not I'm saying "Hey, 10X Kamehameha! Move this character to that page now!". Talk about silly. - Kill You 20:47, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Oh okay, my bad. I remember you complaining one time about me not fixing something when I had just never noticed (adding a warning template to an explicit image I think), so I thought this might have been that again. I am just super-busy these days blahhhh. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 21:19, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I guess I acted a bit annoying as I was thinking censor is unnecessary. I wasn't personally being harsh on you, though it probably seemed so. Sorry about that. Anyway, back on topic, my motive/concern about discussing this is nothing more than 'being consistent'. There is a contradiction with some tertiary characters having their own page where as you say tertiary characters go to this page. I think we need to make a decision about what do do. That's basically what I'm saying. - Kill You 21:57, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

The overall decision was made when this page was created, and again on this talk page (Lets put it to a vote) in a 6 to 1 decision. Any character not deemed primary or secondary goes here. If anyone is unsure whether a specific character is tertiary, we should discuss those as individual topics here (for moves to separate pages) or on their talk page (for moves to this page). 10X Kamehameha (talk) 22:09, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

Naturally, a taken decision requires an action. Please, for example, let me know what you think about this page. A character who shoed up for seconds in only one episode. Shouldn't we be moving that character to this page, since the decision is that way? I mean, since what you said has always been the case, why were those separated pages created, in the first place? - Kill You 22:35, August 26, 2011 (UTC)

It shouldn't have been made separately in the first place. It should have been put here, and still should be. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 00:31, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

That solves the problem, then. - Kill You 01:17, August 27, 2011 (UTC)

Koryuu

Hello, I believe this character should be moved here. http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Koryuu Ripto22475 19:24, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. 10X Kamehameha (talk) 19:30, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

I also agree. --ponds11 will break your neck 19:31, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, so do I just copy all of his infomation and delete the page, then make a new page for him here? Ripto22475 20:21, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Okay guys, I made his apperance on the teritiary page. You can now delete his previous page. Thanks. Ripto22475 22:18, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Orange Frieza Soilder

Hello, why is this frieza soilder classified as "Orange"? Is there a source stating that is his colour? Because he looks to be more yellow. Ripto22475 19:26, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

He's orange, it doesn't need a source since we have images posted. He sometimes appears yellow in bright lights, but you can see his natural tone here: 10X Kamehameha (talk) 19:34, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, okay that looks much better. Thank-you. Ripto22475 19:35, September 12, 2011 (UTC)

Sui and Banon

I think Sui and Banon are worthy of having their own page each, as they damaged the spaceship which was the only way Gohan Kuririn and Bulma could get home, and have a decent amount of game info too. They info you could put on these guys pages could be good enough for a page, as I think they were more important than Appule anyway. Who agrees? Super Saiyan GoateeSend me a message! 10:33, January 7, 2012 (UTC)

Agree. JeangabinTalkContrib 13:38, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

Bruce Lee Impersonator's picture

For the tertiary characters do you also have to ask if you want to change a tertiary character's picture on the list? I'm new to wiki and I would like to change the Bruce Lee Impersonator's pictures but I didn't know if I had to ask first.—This unsigned comment was made by Good Saiyan Gokcha (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

Elderly GT Couple

Do they have a section on this page? If not, they need one, as even though they're minor characters, they revealed what the Electric Slime is, and explained the events aroudn Rage's attack. Christopher Warburton 18:23, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Done. JeangabinTalkContrib 19:22, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks dude. Christopher Warburton 19:25, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

It´s Orin and not Orlen

It´s Orin and not Orlen. The japanese names are the real names. I understand that sometimes it´s hard to know because the japanese people trade the L with the R. I remember in dragon ball kai, zarbon calling Orin at the character Vegito 012 (talk) 13:55, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Read the Manual of Style. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 20:14, August 4, 2012 (UTC)

Jimbo and Slimjim not tertiary

It is shown on this list that Jimbo and Slim Jim are recurring which breaks the tertiary rule. They have appeared in more than one episode and there setion has enough information for them to have their own page together (not individually though). - SuperTiencha (talk) 05:51, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Being seen for an instant during the spirit bomb creation scene does not make them recurring characters. They are definitely tertiary. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:25, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Banan and Sui

Shouldn't these two get separate pages ? I know they appeared very little in the anime, but the amount of appearances in other media (primarilly video games) makes them reeally notable for being recurring soldiers. You can even see their section on this list is bigger than the others... 189.18.39.89 07:27, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

They are definitely tertiary. Secondary characters are major plot point for a few episodes at least. The top 1 or 2 henchmen usually fall into this category. Less than that and they're just tertiary. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 09:32, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Truck Driver Hats

Paperclip Trucker

Satan City Trucker

The article states that the two truck drivers seen both wear the same hats: "In the episode "Blackmail", a big truck with a similar-looking driver nearly collides with Great Saiyaman in Satan City. Both this driver and the paperclip driver are wearing a hat that says "98CIAL".". However, this simply isn't true. One driver, the Paperclip Trucker, wears a hat that reads "98 CIAL" but the other's hat instead clearly reads "SB CIAL". They're close, but not the same. This portion of the article probably be cleaned up. -- Somarinoa (talk) 11:59, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Tiger Thief

Is based in a demon from Journey to the West. He is unnamed but he is a warrior from the king of the yellow wind http://i.imgur.com/qKSyDNr.jpg (I took this pic myself, it's legit) Sandubadear 17:05, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

i added it    The         R-                              -Less      One                                             19:03, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Saiyan elites.

According to http://www.dragonballinsider.com/2014/02/03/translated-akira-toriyama-qa-courtesy-kanzenshuu/ , toriyama states the only saiyan elites are the royal family. Jabberwockxeno (talk) 18:34, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

Organizing by Appearance

I know there has been so many discussions about organizing this list because lets be honest, this page looks horrible and with Super coming out its going to be way worse especially since the first episode alone already had a bunch of tertiary characters. Since everything here is pretty much a 1 scene only characters I think we should order these characters by their chronological appearances. Basically having a section of all the DB tertiary characters, then one of Z's, one of Super's and one of GT's. I think it would be slightly nicer instead. - SuperTiencha (talk) 23:38, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Well, maybe organizing into DB, DBZ, DBS and DBGT is fine, but inside them, it has to be in alphabetical order because otherwise it would be way more chaotic. And plz try not to change the header names because there are tons of redirects to this page's specific headers. Sandubadear 23:43, July 10, 2015 (UTC)

Jaco Characters

The list of Earth's police forces need to have their own pages because they have been listed hobbies, birth day, occupation SSGKakarotto (talk) 16:12, April 21, 2016 (UTC)

Alternate Future Trunks?

Wouldn't Trunks (Unknown Timeline) just be the Future Trunks that was killed by Cell in Cell's Timeline? So should we add that information to the Unknown Timeline Trunks, or do we just make a new Trunks (Cell's Timeline)? Either way, the info needs to be added to this page. TyphlosionX (talk) 12:24, September 5, 2016 (UTC)

Universe 6 counterparts?

There's some listed characters with no information, including a Universe 6 version of Bojack, Zangya, Bio-Broly, Paragus, and Hirudegarn. I've been able to find no info of these counterparts existing outside, and no info is provided here. Thus, I once tried to remove them from this page, but it seems that edit was reverted. Can anyone point to a source for these? SirJorb (talk) 06:08, October 11, 2020 (UTC)

They come from Super Dragon Ball Heroes: World Mission, Sealas creates an anomaly during Chapter 4-4 of the game that makes them part of Team Universe 6. Personally I find it silly to distinguish them, considering how the change in their native universe is the only thing different about them. Dominodalek (talk) 06:21, October 11, 2020 (UTC)

Something needs doing with this page

It's one of the longest pages on the wiki at 301,000 bytes, could well have the most images of any page as well. I can't even really get it to load up for me because of everything that is on there. Plus on top of that, the way the page is laid out it looks like an utter mess. It will only get worse as well as more characters are added on to it. I'm not sure exactly what can be done with it but it needs reducing down to size drastically, I think we've been too lenient on what counts as a tertiary character here, someone appearing on the screen for a few seconds surely isn't worth including on there with pictures and voice actors for each one. Someone like Great Lee sure that's ok, he appeared in two episodes and fought Goku briefly but then the likes of Johnny, Johnnys Mother, Little Flower, Little Flowers father who appear for a matter of seconds...just its a bit much. Bullza (talk) 15:53, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Let's just remove some of the unnecessary characters then or if unaffordable split the page. DragonEmeperor (talk) 21:26, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

We should do really, just depends on what is worth removing or not because everyone will have their own idea on that but some are that minor its unreal. Again the West City Policeman, sure because he had a fair role in that particular episode and also made a cameo in Super recently but then you have General Whites sisters and it actually says "General White's sisters are two younger women only seen in a photo that Ninja Murasaki drops when fighting Goku in Muscle Tower." That doesn't need to be there, they aren't characters, its just a picture that was shown briefly. Bullza (talk) 01:24, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Then let's remove them then. Characters like that can be just mentioned instead of having a section of their own cause this page is ridiculous right now. DragonEmeperor (talk) 01:51, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Yah agreed, can slim the page by cutting the most insignificant (and/or mentioning them elsewhere). Characters like "character"'s father/mother could just be mentioned on their family member's page, maybe with their picture for context? There may be some characters here who have enough content to be page-worthy too, so they could be moved. Some characters could be grouped together in other ways, like Oolong's kidnapping victims could get their own page, or just be brought up on Oolong's. Neffyarious (talk) 16:36, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Alright well starting tomorrow I'll go through it and see what can be taken off, see if it can be made a bit more organized somewhere. Once that's done it'd need looking at the page history to see what needs adding back in later if anything. Bullza (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

We could also turn this into a disambig, and move the characters to by-series pages (List of tertiary characters in Dragon Ball Z, etc). Neffyarious (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

That's what I said at the beginning, but the page shrunk down a lot now so I'm undecided. DragonEmeperor (talk) 18:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I see we've done some trimming here. If I went overboard by including these inconsequential characters' performers, I apologize. I take listing the voice actors is not necessary? Personally, I think that if that random curiosity decides they want to know who these bit players' voices are, than I don't see why they can't eventually be readded—once things are more settled, that is. Orochidayu (talk)

If the page ever ends up over bloating again I think Neffy's idea of maybe having a List of tertiary characters in (Dragon Ball/Z/Super etc) might be appropriate. At that point because the pages wouldn't be so stuffed we could probably add such details back in. Bullza (talk) 22:36, 13 March 2024 (UTC)