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Broly Being The Strongest

I recently got these infos from Japanese websites and heard some strange talk on Broly being the strongest character in entire DB universe even stronger than Gogeta SSJ4. Well this info says;

なお、誰一人として単独でブロリーを圧倒した者は存在していない。このような驚異的設定であるが

またバーダック編などの劇場版ㆍTV版脚本を手がける脚本家の小山氏からは恐怖の象徴であるとと

もに、ドラゴンボール世界最強の存在とコメントされている。

This quote kinda means Broly is strongest in 1 on 1, hand to hand battle since nobody even match the strength of Broly in the series and movies therefore Koyama says he is the most fearsome and strongest of all characters in DB series and so on.

DVDガイドブック- 劇場版ㆍTVアニメも含めて設定上の最強はブロリー、正攻法では絶対勝てないと

しか言ってない

And also the DVD guidebook says within TV animation and manga and all the movies Broly's strength is recorded to be the most powerful character that nobody could beat on 1 on 1 battle.

サイヤ人に伝わる「伝説の超サイヤ人」。ベジータすら戦意を無くすほど脅威に満ちており、ピッコ

ロと悟空の同時攻撃を平然と避けるなど、その体型からは想像もつかないスピードを誇る。悟空達と

は違い変身における体への負担が一切なく、それどころか劇中で「気が高まる……溢れる」とある様

に、逆に気が抑えきれない程溢れ出る始末である。その為他のサイヤ人とは異なり、ブロリーの気は

何もしていなくても無限に上昇してゆくと記されている。

and plus the last part of this quote says Broly's strength is something that cannot be mesured and it is constantly rising and rising.

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Based on these infos well Japanese people says Broly is the strongest character who could outclass Gogeta 4 and they fight about these. I personally think Broly can be beaten well by probably SSJ3 level or Ultimate Gohan would do. What do you guys think about this?

The opinion of Japanese fans is no more official than the opinion of English fans. Unless Akira Toriyama (or as a stretch, perhaps Toei) was one of the ones who commented. --  talk contr 21:17, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I dont know broly is really powerful but i thought hes more powerful then any z warrior in GT/End of Z, except for Piccolo Krillin yanmcha and tien. (Goten.GT1 21:04, 5 November 2008 (UTC))

Why would he be stronger than every Z fighter except Piccolo, Krillin, Yamcha and Tien? That would mean that Piccolo, Krillin, Yamcha and Tien were stronger than Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks and Goten - which doesn't seem particularly believable to me. --  talk contr 22:32, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu 22:34, 5 November 2008 (UTC) I agree with you there, Nonoitall. SS3 and SS4 can fight Broly.

Well, Maybe the fans aren't official, but a DVD guidebook (assuming it's made by Toei, Shonen Jump, or Akira for that matter.) seems official enough to exempt Broly.

Gogeta's Speed

In Fusion Reborn, When Gogeta first appears, he is so fast that his attacks can not be seen on the screen by more then just several light lines of color(I can't think of how to describe them) This was used again in GT to show his immense speed when he first appeared, but unlike the first time, when he appeared this time, his attacks were completely invisable, and not even an after-image of his attacks was shown on the screen, and the sheer force of his Punches is causing air to blast forward at enough speed to crush Janemba's Chest inwards(Even Goku at SS3 was unable to do this feat, with a double kick that caused Janemba to double over even at close range) to me, this indicates that Gogeta, in either of his forms, is the fastest Character in the Entire Series. His Power is defeniatly high as well, but his speed seems to be higher then his Counter-part Fusion, I don't want to start an argument about the Fusion Stuff, because I have been in a ton of those, and they degrade into flaming, but the only other character in the series that managed to duplicate his feat of being fast enough to hit someone with the force of a punch without acctually hiting them was Ultimate Gohan, and he was much closer to Super Buu then Gogeta was to Janemba(right next to him compared to Gogeta's several meters). Speed isn't equal to power, so I'm not saying that Gogeta in his base form is as powerful as a SSj4 or anything like that, I am saying that Gogeta is probably the Fastest Character in the series. I can provide more examples as neccesary, but I believe that this fact should be mentioned somewhere on his article, as it shows that, even compared to Gotenks, Vegito, or Ultimate Gohan,or either of the Super Sayian 4s Gogeta seems to outclass each one of those characters in speed by a large Margin, if not in power. We know that Vegito was equal to a Super Saain 3 when he was a Super Sayain, and it can't be considered a stretch to think Gogeta was on that level, but he was much faster then Vegito. 198.175.205.251 21:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Dekoshu talk contrib 19:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC) That's right, humble sir. Gogeta is much faster than Vegito. He has both immense speed and power, and Vegito is also immensely powerful.

While I am not arguing with Vegito's Power, or Gogeta's, I just feel the Article should mention somewhere that he is probably the Fastest Character in the entire DBZ Universe, no matter what Media, in either form (Though his SSj form might be outclassed by some of the stronger GT Characters like Nouva)198.175.205.251 21:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

The after image trick and technique of making a character disappear is only a visual trick used by animators to give the illusion of a character who can move at speeds that are hard to track. This trick is constantly reused, and altered in effect. It is used as a relative comparison to another speed being used, so basically in scene A the animators may make character A use that animation trick, and make character B look slower. While in scene B where they don't use after-image on C, but D uses it. Yet C is actually faster than A in this case. Yet, C had no after-image used.

Basically after-image, or disappearing characters is completely a visual trick. You cannot derive a fact like 'who is the fastest' out of whether someone uses after-image, disappears, or whatever.

That kind of thing is complete speculation, unless a canon source actually stated that one character is the fastest in the universe, then information like that has no reason to be on an encyclopedia. ~NOTASTAFF Daniel Friesen (DanTMan, Nadir Seen Fire) ^(talk) Dec 2, 2008 _@ 22:02 ^(UTC)

Dekoshu talk contrib 22:08, 2 December 2008 (UTC) I agree with you, but isn't that unnecessary to put that in. Some of them are really the most fastest, so I can't just deny it.

We don't have to put anything in. What Dantman was saying (or at least what I understood) is that we don't have any concrete evidence to support the idea that Gogeta is the fastest character in the universe. (His fast movement in battle is just an effect that doesn't really tell us anything other than he is moving faster than his opponent.) Anyway, we don't need to deny that he's the fastest character. (That too would lack any concrete evidence.) We just can't insert a claim that he is. --  talk contr 11:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Then we can't really say that his SSj4 Form is stronger then everyone else in the series (Which is said), because he never Fights Broly, or Hidregun, or Janemba, or even Krillin or Tien, and it could be that he isn't actually stronger then them, it just seems that way because he fights someone so much weaker then him, and, using the same technique that they use on Gogeta in the Movie, is only APPEARING to be stronger the most others 198.175.205.251 19:05, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

What's written in the article is "His speed in this form is the greatest seen in the series, being so fast not even the viewer can see his movements." That is a 100 percent true, since we as viewers cannot see him moving, while every other character is seen moving, whether it be after-image, hyperspace, or anything else of the sort. But Gogeta clearly isn't. --Dranzer Neos 18:59, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

And furthermore, saying that SSj4 Gogeta is not stronger than Broly or Hirudegarn or Janemba are, no offense, is just plain stupid. Broly might be a challenge, since his Legendary Super Saiyan form increases his power the longer he stays in that form, so he could prove to be a match if he sticks around for long enough. But Hirudegarn, who was beaten by SSj3 + Dragon Fist, is obviously no match for the Fusion of two Super Saiyan 4s. And Janemba doesn't even come close. If he was beaten by normal Super Gogeta, he doesn't stand a chance against Super Gogeta 4. Same goes for the rest. If they were beaten by weaker forms of the fusees or weaker characters than Gogeta, than they don't compare. That makes it obvious that Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is the strongest character in the anime series. --Dranzer Neos 20:54, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

You know, I agree with all of these things except for Broly's LSSJ form definitely being beaten by SSJ4 Gogeta. I mean, we don't really have any real basis that SSJ4 Gogeta is able to defeat LSSJ Broly (especially since they made it quite clear that the two defeats on Broly's part were because of luck, and dumb luck while we are at it.). Heck, for all we know, SSJ4 Gogeta could have just as easily have been beaten to a complete pulp by Broly. That's also the reason why I felt we can't really say that he's much stronger than Super 17 (As a matter of fact, at one point in the Super 17 article, there was a statement that Super 17 was arguably even stronger than Omega Shenron due to his energy absorption skills as well as the fact that he was defeated due to a technicality in regards to his ability rather than by actual skill.). My suggestion, we remove Broly's LSSJ form and Super 17 from those that could be beaten by SSJ4 Gogeta, but we keep it as is (Since, really, it's kinda obvious that he's stronger than the ones on there (Gogeta is Goku and Vegeta's fused form [by Fusion Dance], Ultimate Gohan couldn't even beat Super Buu, whileas only Vegito (another Goku/Vegeta fusion) stood a chance, Baby wasn't able to defeat SSJ4 Goku, meaning he couldn't even lay a finger on SSJ4 Gogeta, Majin Buu won't be able to handle SSJ4 Gogeta if they ever fought, same with Uub/Majuub, and the Fight with Omega Shenron kinda proved who was superior (in fact, had the 15-minute fusion not ran out at 15 minutes, and had SSJ4 Gogeta actually fought seriously, he probably would have flat-out killed Omega Shenron.).).

The somewhat humorous remark was made a while back that Broly would undoubtedly have been weaker than SS4 Gogeta, as if he wasn't, there would be no point to the Z fighters messing around with fusion and SS4 — they could just get an SS2 and a regular Super Saiyan with spiritual support from their dead dad to defeat the villain. (A reference to Gohan, Goten and Goku, who defeated Broly.) It's not exactly Daizenshuu grade material, but it does make sense in a funny way. Anyway, I don't really care whether Broly's name is there or not. (The exhaustive list of all the characters weaker than Gogeta never seemed that necessary to me.) That's just the reason I never bothered to remove the name myself. :-) --  talk contr 10:59, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Guys, this whole discussion is pointless. We couldn't see Goku move AT ALL as early as in his fight against Jeice and Burter, and his powerlevel was 90,000 at that point. Does it mean he's faster than his Super Saiyan form, just because we didn't see him do stuff exactly like that in that form? No, he isn't. In the DBZ universe, speed is usually proportional to the power, so the powerlevel is also an accurate indicator of the warrior's speed (with the exception of people who are exceptionally heavy and bulky, like Ultra Super Saiyans). As said before, what we as viewers see doesn't reflect the true speed of the warriors, it's just meant to be RELATIVE. Super Saiyan Gogeta was enough to easily beat Janemba, but we don't know how powerful he was, e.g. whether he was stronger than Ultimate Gohan or even SS3 Gotenks, but if he is, he is also faster. If he's not stronger than them, it also means he's slower, simple as that. Xfing 17:04, February 4, 2012 (UTC)

Colours

Hey, I noticed that Gogeta's hair and eyes are denoted by coloured boxes. Could someone please send me a link or something to a page where I can get the codes of those colours? --Dranzer Neos 12:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

wouldnt Gogetas base form hair color be red,since that's the color he has at ssj4(ssj4 tranformations uses the original hair color if i'm not mistakin) then again fat gogetas hair was black...something to think about i guess.like it even matters what color his hair is XD72.197.63.163 03:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC) When you look at Vegito's hair it's a mix of black and dark brown, the combination of the colours make the hair seem like a maroon brown which has a hint of red and since Vegito is the Potara counterpart of Gogeta that is possibly why (Nubescout 01:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)).

Look at this!

I was just looking at some Dragonball Z pictures and when i saw Gogeta and Vegeto they looked like brothers! Vegerot 19:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

File:Gogeta vegeto brothers.jpg

Gogeta's power level

I was certain Gogeta's power level in his Super Saiyan state is supremely high. Hirudegarn has a power level. Vegito has a exceedingly high and complex power level. Raditz has a power level, Goku has a power level, and even Gohan has a power level. Dekoshu talk contrib 15:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, because the series has attributed power levels to those characters; please don't submit unfounded power levels. Storm talk – projects 19:54, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Facial structure

I'm having trouble coming to an conclusion about who Gogeta resembles because in his Super Saiyan 1 and 4 forms he looks like Goku, but it says that he looks more like Vegeta. --LocC 09 15:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind, he looks much more like Vegeta only when he has his serious face on. --LocC 09 19:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Galick Kamehameha

I think Gogeta super saiyan can use Galick Kamehameha because no one ever use this attack and it will come in budokai tenkaichi 4.

I think that if Gogeta's basic form is put in the game yet alone if it even comes out then the Gallick Kamehameha should be given to him as his first blast 2 (Nubescout 11:28, 14 April 2009 (UTC)).

I guess that remains to be seen. --  talk contr 07:46, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Could it be mistaken by Final Kamehameha [EvolutionMaster] 24/May/2009

Is there SSJ4 Gogeta's voice in Blue Water?

Personally, I like FUNIimation's unique cast. Is there a voice actor played SSJ4 Gogeta on GT's Blue Water Dub? SilverPlaqueVII;talk contrib 22:50, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta - Strongest character in all of fiction?

What do you guys think? SaiyanZ 01:41, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hate to be "that guy", but this topic needs to be moved to a forum. The article talk pages are just for discussing controversial changes. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 02:32, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Nah, it's fine, it is actually a benefit since now I know when and where to put topics like these :D. But, I don't know how to move it, can you tell me? Do I just start a new topic over again? SaiyanZ 03:39, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Go to forums, Kame House, and then fill in the "Add new topic" bar and click to add it. This will create a forum page about whatever you want. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:44, February 19, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you SaiyanZ 02:50, February 20, 2010 (UTC) WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!! I WAS HERE!!! :D

Super Saiyan 2?

Isn't he a Super Saiyan 2 in the movie? He has lightnings arround him and look more SSJ2 than an SSJ1, so I think he is a SSJ2 in the Movie--SoranPanoko 16:49, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Some people think that,but it's the same way he looks when he's SS1, minus the extra lightning in the aura (which people like Goku have occasionally in base and Super Saiyan form). More importantly, it's been officially stated that Gogeta has no Super Saiyan 2 form. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 20:57, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Editing With Ultimate Blast:

Alright, why won't you let me put in that Gure is Gogeta's half-sister-in-law? NomadMusikTalkFanon Wiki

Not sure who you're talking to, but that sounds like a big stretch and not worth having. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:26, June 28, 2012 (UTC)

World Spirit Bomb

Could Gogeta do the World Spirit Bomb since it is Goku's technique? Black Ronin8 (talk) 04:59, July 28, 2012 (UTC)Black Ronin8

About his power level

Look, I know it's not exactly our job to point out how improbable a power level is, and not a lot of people take the V-Jump numbers for Gogeta and Broly seriously (Cooler's is fine though), but come on. We should at least point out on this page that the math doesn't add up. SS3 Goku < Janemba. Gogeta > Janemba. Gogeta: 2.5 billion. Super Saiyan Goku: way more than 470 million (since he beat Cooler). A Super Saiyan 3 is eight times as powerful as a Super Saiyan. So over 470 million x 8 = way over 3.76 billion, meaning Super Saiyan 3 is actually stronger than Gogeta, which obviously isn't true.--68.6.155.212 05:57, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

We use official sources over original research. Original research (sometimes abbreviated OR) means a fan used logic or math rather than a published statement. That's not to say that your math is bad by any means, just that sometimes anime logic or math is fuzzy and we have to stick with that rather than second guess it. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:20, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Future Gogeta

Im fairly certain that in one game there is a scenario where you fight Future Cell as Future Trunks, who then decides he wil enter the world torunament after his world has been restored. You then do this mission and fight Future Goku and Future Vegeta, who fuse into Future Gogeta, who eventually forfeits the battle since they relalise their power would destroy the planet - but I cannot remember the game.Neffyarious (talk) 04:57, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Budokai Tenkaichi 1. He fights SSJ4 Gogeta at the tournament but wins. I'm not sure if it's actually a Future Gogeta, because both Goku and Vegeta are dead and GT possibly never happened in Trunks' timeline. Sandubadear 15:31, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta GT different from Movie Gogeta

There's this one inconsistency I can't grasp. SS4 Gogeta is not the same entity as the movie Gogeta, is it? I mean, the SS4 was in GT and SS Gogeta was in the Fusion Reborn movie. Neither connected by canon. How is SS4 Gogeta even the same character as Movie Gogeta? Aren't they inherently different entities? Is their name the only thing in common? - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 17:26, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Well, both are made by Goku and Vegeta with the Fusion Dance. Technically I think they are the same person. Sandubadear 18:26, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

How are they the same character though? One is created in the show and the other is created in a movie. I seriously think the only congruence is the name itself. It's like saying Vegito is the same as Gogeta if SS4 Gogeta is the same character as Movie Gogeta because all were created as fusion between Goku and Vegeta. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 20:43, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

so you want us to start creating seperate articles for movie characters I am GokuBrolyVegeta.

20:48, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Then Garlic Jr from the movie is different from the one from DBZ. It's the same logic you used :P Sandubadear 21:04, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe Fusion provides different results? Like rolling two die; you're not always going to get the same two numbers (in other words, maybe Fusion is slightly different during the fusing of the two warriors each time?). Although that's just speculation, I guess...

Aside from one being much more cocky than the other, I don't see much difference between Fusion Reborn Gogeta and GT Gogeta. SS7S        Le talk 21:12, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

I disagree. Garlic Junior is the exact same character. Different characters are Majin Buu, Super Buu, Kid Buu, and Evil Buu. Just because they sprung from the same entity, doesn't make them the same character. This is the same reason why it is very highly likely that SS4 Gogeta GT is not the same as SS Gogeta movie. I already always hated the idea of fusion in general, which is why I prefer separate characters and entities. Fusion and Absorption are two of the most annoying and worst ideas to me in DB in general, particularly for the destruction of entities as separate characters. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 21:14, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

He was just in a different transformation. When Buu saga Goku transforms into SSJ3, he is the same Goku that turns Great Ape in Sleeping Princess, right? Right~! I don't know why you brought this up and why you think they are different :P Sandubadear 21:19, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

For about ten different reasons, but most importantly, because they act absolutely nothing alike and are created in two different instances from each other. Additionally, one is canon to the GT series and the other is movie only. It's very possible they are separate entities as all of Buu's forms are separate entities. In Japan, Buu is simply credited as Buu for all his forms, but we all know it is not the same character. I think the only two things they have in common overall is the fact that they were both created by a Vegeta and Goku fusion and the fact that they share the name. Vegito is also created by a fusion between those two so I think the only real congruence is the name itself. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 21:23, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Actually Buu is separated too, but differently. Fat Buu is Majin Buu, Super Buu is Majin Buu (evil), Kid Buu is Majin Buu (pure), and Evil Buu is Majin Buu (pure evil).

But anyway, GT obviously consider all movies into its continuity. We see Cooler emerging from Hell, for example.

Vegito is made by Potara, a different fusion system. The dance creates Gogeta. Sandubadear 21:31, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Saying that the dance is the only reasoning behind them is going back to square one. And none of Buu's characters are the same. All even go about fighting each other, be it in the physical plane or in the mind. And about GT, none of the events that transpire in GT actually connect to the Z movies. Most of the Z movies are non-canon aside from the Bardock movie, Trunks special, and the Garlic Junior flick. Everything else is non-canon to GT. They just inserted most of the villains for fun factor. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 21:39, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

They do act alike though, Gogeta keeps farting in Janemba's face when the fusion goes wrong and he says he will make his "ultimate technique" but just runs away. And when the fusion goes right, he is like "game's on, motherducker!".

In your logic, then maybe SSJ3 Gotenks from Buu saga is different from SSJ Gotenks from Battle of Gods also becusa movies r not canon or something :P Sandubadear 22:07, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

They seem the same to me. Gogeta is the result of a correctly performed fusion between Vegeta and Goku. Changing from Super Saiyan to super Saiyan 4 should not make him a different character anymore than Goku transforming from Super Saiyan to Saiyan 4. I think Garlic Jr. was a pretty good example of a character that is both in a movie and on TV. In fact, most main characters are in both. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:23, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

yay 10x agrees! now would you put this page together with this or keep them separately? Sandubadear 00:38, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I strongly disagree with the mentality that characters who appear in both series and movies have anything to do with fusions that are inherently created in both in two different instances. For one, Gogeta is created in the movie and doesn't appear in any of the series and SS4 Gogeta is created in the GT series and doesn't appear in anything else other than that. Neither crosses over in either case so Garlic Jr. logic does not apply here. I like him in the movie and the series as he's obviously the same exact character. In the case of Gogeta SS4 v Gogeta SS, it seems like the character isn't the same character but shares the same name due to being a fusion between Vegeta and Goku in general. And no, I won't be fusing articles anytime soon as this is the reason why I started the debate in the first place. I'm going to find some Japanese links that dictate the differences, because I had done so in the past but have lost the links a while back. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 00:46, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

PZ, could you elaborate on why you think that the fusion dance produced two different characters? I am trying to understand your point of view better. We see Vegito created by the Potora earrings, so there the method of fusion was different. We see Veku created when the fusion dance is performed incorrectly rather than correctly. Gogeta is created twice by identical, correct instances of the fusion dance. I know that one was a movie and was was TV, but since it does not apply to Garlic Jr., that is apparently not enough by itself. We know that Goku is still Goku whether he is in his base form or Super Saiyan 4. We know that Goku is still himself when he is kind-hearted and the protector of the innocent, or ruthless and battle-minded when he first transforms on Namek, or even a playful child in GT. Ruling out a difference in the method of fusion, a difference in the media in which Gogeta appears, a difference in transformation, and a difference in personality, what would be the reason to consider him as two characters rather than just one? -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:14, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

I agree one hundred percent with everything you said. This is why I find it rather confusing. I said before I had found actual articles about SS Gogeta and SS4 Gogeta being different. I am having trouble finding them right now. However, I think that for some reason, the SS Gogeta in the movie was created to be a movie-universe exclusive character while the SS4 Gogeta is created for GT. This is something I saw in Japanese translated articles because it baffled me as well since both were coincidentally created by a fusion between Goku and Vegeta albeit being formed from Super Saiyans versus Super Saiyan 4 fusion techniques. I think the articles I had read stated that the differences stemmed from the fact that the fusions were performed when each of the fusees were in their basic forms in the movie and in the SS4 forms in GT, which created these differences. Believe me, I don't want to argue about this because I dislike both these concepts and I'd much rather not discuss them if it were up to me, but I have to take these into consideration because I am working on the collectible articles and need to know the differentiation if I am going to be fusing the articles or not. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 04:43, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion seems to be over, but just to make sure, read here:

"During Dragon Ball GT, when Goku and Vegeta as Super Saiyan 4's could not beat Omega Shenron, Vegeta suggests fusion, with Goku laughing, surprised that Vegeta is the one who suggested it, hating the idea on previous occasions."

This sort of proves that they fused at least once (could mean Vegito, but anyway,) if they didn't, there would be no way for Vegeta to know how to do the fusion dance. Sandubadear 22:27, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

They were referring to Vegito in that instance as he still did not want to perform the dance and it was refused by Vegeta on both occasions although he submitted both times. I'm already fusing the information because I don't have the patience to deliberate about the fusions as I hate them too much. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 22:49, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

This is kind of late but technically the Trunks special can't be cannon because in the manga there's a chapter showing Trunks as a Super Saiyan before Gohan was killed, and it's almost impossible for Garlic Jr. to be cannon because Krillin meets Gohan in the movie, and then later has no idea who Gohan is at the Kame House, and the Dragon Balls were used which would make them inert and Goku even said he had been collecting the Dragon Balls so it wouldn't make sense because Goku wouldn't be able to find the 3 Dragon balls he already had since they wouldn't work after Garlic Jr. used them. I thought the administrators should know this too.. SSJ3Vegeto (talk) 20:41, September 18, 2014 (UTC)

Read the Manual of Style section on canon. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:23, September 19, 2014 (UTC)

i prefer to put the dbz movies in the same position as filler the biggest evidence of this is the garlic jr saga which is nothing but filler that also refers to the events of the first dbz movie since gt doesn't have a manga i just prefer to think of it as filler to dbz which as i see it goku and vegeta remember the events of fusion reborn which is how they were able to do the fusion dance roughly 16 or 21 years later after their 2nd try at it against janemba 0551E80Y (talk) 16:44, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

The battle against Garlic Jr. is mentioned in the manga. Don't get so wrapped up in things canceling each other out. The intent of the series is to entertain us, not the chronologically list events perfectly. As such, we should just be documenting events, not trying to artificially insert organization. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:07, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Where this mention in manga?--Date 08:15, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

I think it's when Super Buu escapes from the Time Chamber, and then he destroys the Lookout. Piccolo says "Completely ruined... again!"; because it's also destroyed when they fight with Garlic Jr. Sandubadear 16:27, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

There is also Cooler who makes an appearence in GT and he's a movie character the same as gogeta so it implies that at least the 5th dbz movie happened in the past going by GT Conception0551E80Y (talk) 13:35, December 16, 2014 (UTC)

Gogeta's power level (Stated by Me)

Hi people, my name is Carlos and i'm Brazilian, today i'll show my version of Gogeta's power level, remember, i'll not consider V-Jump because it doesn't make sense, ok, so let's go

Well, the only thing that state Gogeta's power except V-Jump is Toei Animation, that in a DBGT Guide Book states that SSJ4 Gogeta is dozens of times SSJ4 Goku's one, so that means that the Fusion multiplier is from 10 to 100, let's consider here 100, but, i believe Full Power is like Rivality from Vegito (4x regular power), using this logic for Base, SSJ, and SSJ4 Gogeta, would be like that (Click to enlarge, outdated):

So, if we use this logic form Goku's strongest Z power level officially stated, we have this, base Gogeta is 100X Base Goku's power, more 4x plus (3.000.000), we have 1.200.000.000 (SSJ3 Goku's tier), Super Gogeta is 100X SSJ Goku's power level, more 4x plus (150.000.000), we have 60.000.000.000 (Stronger than SSJ4 Z Goku but weaker than SSJ4 GT Goku), and SSJ4 Gogeta's one is 100X Z SSJ4 Goku's one, more 4x plus (7.200.000.000), the result is 2.880.000.000.000 (Stronger than Beerus and Whiss) and that is Gogeta's power level in my opinion, i hope you liked and good bye.  Mlgkarp do capiroto (talk) 17:45, January 26, 2016 (UTC)Carlos

Ok first off sign your talk page post, second off you do know I when you are talking about yourself is suppose to be capitalize, and third off this is a place to talk about editing problems your post is better in a blog or forum.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:25,1/25/2016 

Dozens of times doesn't mean 10 to 100 times. In my opinion it is much more than that. Omega is already 10 times stronger than syn, who in turn was stronger than a normal ssj4 KennethTL (talk) 01:14, January 26, 2016 (UTC)

Gogeta SSJ2.

Mind if I change his picture to this?

Rogeta234 (talk) 16:26, March 8, 2017 (UTC)

I don't know, sure the picture shows his full body, but it's too blurry and the face looks disfigured. ~ Yon ~Visit my talk page! 19:12, March 8, 2017 (UTC)

Well, can someone at the very least make a full body image of the one we currently?Rogeta234 (talk) 18:21, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

I agree that must be done. SupremegogetaFile:Gogeta photo.jpg 18:26, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. I'd do it myself, but I'm not sure how.Rogeta234 (talk) 19:31, March 30, 2017 (UTC)

What the actual number of issue with this statement about comparison Gogeta and Vegetto?

I ask because i seing a lot of fakes with battle power statements, very plausible fakes--Date 17:29, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

Sadly the ONLY official statement of their power is this http://www.daizex.com/general/ask/archive/2004_08_29.shtml#4 i like Veget more than Gogeta but i pretent Gogeta is slightly weaker than his "brother" ^^'

You can also have the DBZ movie 12 ending theme ("The mightiest fusion) as a "Fact" since this movie aired AFTER Veget already apeared in the manga, however it's just Toei being high on Gogeta kunBH Ouji (talk) 05:05, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

Xeno Gogeta.

Well, it looks like Gogeta is getting the Xeno treatment as well. https://www.db-z.com/super-dragon-ball-heroes-5-gogeta-xeno/ Though it ticks me off that they can't use him in his base form! Just give it to him already!Rogeta234 (talk) 20:58, June 8, 2017 (UTC)

Oh god, not another t-shirt below the vest, fusion dance doesn't work that way, stupid BandaiBH Ouji (talk) 05:09, June 10, 2017 (UTC)

How?

I mean just cause SSJ4 Gogeta slowed down his movement doesn't make him the strongest. But the 10 years does....ish. As far as we know. Just cause Gogeta appeared later on doesn't make him stronger. PLUS Power levels have to be the same. SSJ4 is basically a zenkai.

Yes it makes - Super Yi Shinron is the most powerfull entity that Z Warriors faced - and Gogeta destroyed him--Date 05:09, July 26, 2017 (UTC)

Yep, even Vegito1089 confirmed that SSJ4 Gogeta is the strongest DB characterBH Ouji (talk) 12:17, July 26, 2017 (UTC)

Who the hell is that noname?--Date 12:18, July 26, 2017 (UTC)

Hahahahaha are you talking about Vegito1089? Hahahahaha serves him right! Also it's him https://www.youtube.com/user/Vegito1089BH Ouji (talk) 04:58, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

I mean, what of about how each fusion uses the multiplier? I mean Potara is very easy. Fusion Dance..eh. Potara multiplies the fusee's power level. Fusion Dance---seems more like adding...

Gogeta or Vegito? Who's stronger?

Between the two, it seems as though Gogeta is stronger. BUT when using the multiplier, it seems as though Vegito is stronger. Here is what I think of how it goes:

FUSION DANCE: Goku's Power Level + Vegeta's Power Level x Multiplier of the transformation

             =SAME Power Level========================

POTARAN: Goku's Power Level x Vegeta's Power Level x Multiplier of the transformation

NOW for the games. Now in Extreme Butoden, it says Gogeta is DP 6 while Vegito is DP 3. But it seems more likely on attacks and use of it. Now Vegito's is a simple attack, not major like Gogeta's. Now when you use it, it doesn't add up. Fusion Dance has to be same power level. Potara can be used to multiply that by both fusee's power level. Thus Vegito Blue would be stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. (And no, Gogeta SSJ4 wouldn't really harm Zamasu. Don't believe AnimationRewind sometimes....)

--Iso33 (talk) 20:21, August 4, 2017 (UTC)-

There is an official article about Vegetto and Gogeta published in V-jump in 90's. Those fusions are born from  different types with different personality but at the same time events they are equal in power. 

Whatever the multiplier is is same for both type of fusions, be it like Goku * Vegeta or (Goku + Vegeta) * Fusion Multiplier.

Gogeta Omni (talk) 15:48, January 8, 2019 (UTC)

Split?

So considering the reveal trailer, should this page be split into an original and Super version of the character, similar to Broly? Given his completely different origin story.

No, neither article should be split. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:14, November 30, 2018 (UTC)

Gogeta still isn't canon (or at least as we know)

Though Broly and Gogeta appear in the DBS movie, it is still uncertain that they are confirmed canon. For the least, it is a movie. A dragon ball movie. And when it comes to Dragon Ball movies, they can be non-canon. Like Fusion Reborn and Broly: The Legendary Super Saiyan (these two movies are linked and is confirmed in the movie of Fusion Reborn). However, if a creator admits that Gogeta is canon, he is. And we get no word. I must admit the fandom seems hyped up for the "canon" Gogeta (which isn't surprising). If you wish to reply (and please no rude comments; be humanely- I messed that up in, like, 2017).

If we are going to be accurate - the word "canon" isn't exist and can't be applied to the "Dragon Ball" franchise in any ways. If we are talking about Toriyama's "blessing" only - the film is blessed with his script, story and designs on the whole. It's Toriyama's story and this is a direct "Super" series continuation, which is also a Toriyama's story, which was said many times. It's still not giving this sequels any connection to the original of course.--Date 08:05, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

Broly has made his debut in the Dragon Ball Super Manga. However, at the interest of this conversation; canon/non-canon - those words have are irrelevant on this wiki.--Made up Character Wiki/Dragon Ball Fanon Wiki Admin Jack Jackson Things I do [mod] 00:41, December 10, 2018 (UTC)

His skin tone.

It can't be said that the original Toei Gogeta has peach like skin in his proper base form when the franchise isn't even consistent on his skin tone. Prior to DBS Broly, Base Gogeta only ever appeared in Buu's Fury and one 2018 trading card. He had tan skin in Buu's Fury, and the fact Gogeta's improper forms (skinny and fat aka Veku) have tan skin suggests proper base Gogeta would have it as well; proper base Gotenks and Fat Gotenks didn't have different skin from each other, so there's no reason why proper base Gogeta and fat Gogeta would have different skin. He only has light skin in the 2018 trading card; one trading card shouldn't be all that matters, especially considering the fact it wasn't even made by Toei. The fact is his skin tone isn't consistent, so it's wrong to say that his skin tone is supposed to be peach. It varies. Strawberries1 (talk) 22:12, December 9, 2018 (UTC)

Gogeta: BR

This Gogeta has an entirely different origin story from the original. Why do we, again, choose to consider them the same character? We already split the Broly's and the Paragus's. Why can't we split the two Gogeta's? ExyleCage (talk) 22:45, December 16, 2018 (UTC)

There's no need to since GT is anime only and Fusion Reborn was moved to film appearances. DragonEmeperor (talk) 00:03, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

Gogeta is Goku and Vegeta’s non-Potara fusion. There is no reason to have multiple articles for it. It has slightly different origins in many media versions, but having a different article for every character and item and technique in every media type would defeat the purpose of trying to compile info in the first place. Might as well just tell readers to go watch/play/read everything themselves if we got to that point. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 15:23, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

Gogeta: BR has never been said to be a different character from Gogeta, unlike with Broly and Broly: BR. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:03, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be said when the source material very clearly shows two entirely different origins, flat out confirming they're two entirely separate incarnations of the same character. But I concede.ExyleCage (talk) 17:07, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

I get what you mean, but that's not enough to warrant a change as many characters have different, depending on the media (Goku and Bardock immediately come to mind) and we're not gonna split all of them. --Neffyarious (talk) 17:11, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

Exactly why I've already conceded. ExyleCage (talk) 17:18, December 17, 2018 (UTC)

If Gogeta needs to have seperate articles to highlight his appearances in Fusion reborn and GT. Then logically, his fusees, Goku and Vegeta need to as well, cos he cannot exist without them. If neither of them have official sources that state them to be seperate carnations, in these appearences, from the mainstream line of events that happened in the franchise. Then Gogeta does not need to have to be seperated as well. For that reason, I am against this proposition. 0551E80Y (talk) 07:23, December 20, 2018 (UTC)

New Gogeta

 There is a bit difference in design of Gogeta in Dragon Ball Super: Broly Movie. That may be for the different art style of the animator. His personality also changed, rather than being too serious like in Fusion Reborn movie he appars to be enjoying fighting against Broly.

There is bit different in his signature moves as well. Gogeta uses Continuous Kamehamehaor Stardust Fall  as a super saiyan, Continuous Energy Bullet or God Ki Barrage as super saiyan blue and and throws a rainbow ki ball like Stardust Breaker which just activates an explosion,an attack resembles Vegeta's Final Explosion or God Explosion Blast. He even used a final attack combining Goku's  Kamehameha with Vegeta's Gamma BurstFlash, what it's called ? Transcendent God Kamehameha?!!

Gogeta Omni (talk) 16:19, January 8, 2019 (UTC)

That last one is purely headcanon and has no proof or merrit. As far as we know, it's just a normal Kamehameha Wave. ----