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Big Bang Attack?  Why are there pictures of Vegito doing a Big Bang Attack on this page? 

Stitchking1 (talk) 11:39, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Come to think of it, Vegito even says Big Bang Attack in the Japanese version.

Sorry, didn't sign my last post.

Stitchking1 (talk) 11:48, August 4, 2014 (UTC)

Removing Vegito's Big Bang Attack from Final Impact Page

So does anybody have any problems with me removing this information from this page?  If I don't hear anything I'm going to change it in a couple of days.

Stitchking1 (talk) 18:18, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

That move Vegito is doing is not similar to a Big Bang Attack, it is a Big Bang Attack.  Except that it's a beam. And the pictures for this are already on the Big Bang Attack page.

Stitchking1 (talk) 02:13, October 10, 2014 (UTC)

Where is it stated that it is Big Bang Attack?  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  02:43,10/10/2014 
Vegetto himself said the attack name when fired it in original japanese dub--Date450190486 08:41, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
He uses an attack called Big Bang Flash which is one of the alternate names for this move in Battle of Z and he uses it the same way as the pics on this page shows him using is. Which means the info about Vegito using this move and the pics most stay got a problem with it not my fault.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  13:14,10/10/2014 
He says Big Bang Flash in the game but it's actually Vegito's Spirit Sword.  And since when does a game trump the anime in naming moves. The Big Bang Flash and the move you're talking about are two totally different moves.  And none of them are the move that only Vegeta has done.  I have Battle of Z and that move is Vegito's Spirit Sword.

This pic is on the Spirit Sword page already.

  And yes I have a problem because you're dead wrong.  Stitchking1 (talk) 16:02, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
No the move I am talking about says Big Bang Flash look at Super Vegito's moves on there if you have your the one that's dead wrong I also have the game. The move I am talking about on there is his super on Battle of Z go look it up I am not lying heck I will do you one even better.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  16:21,10/10/2014 
Well that's even worse.  The picture on the top of the page is the move that he's using in battle of z.  So, my question is if it's called Big Bang Flash and he fires it like a Big Bang Attack what's it doing on the Final Impact page.  The kind of damage it does isn't even the same.  Stitchking1 (talk) 16:31, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
To be absolutely honest there is no real similarity between the two moves except that it's a beam. Stitchking1 (talk) 16:57, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
Here is why it is on here because Big Bang Flash is an alternate name for Final Impact look in the infobox under alternate names. Also you need to sign your last post the one under the one you signed.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  16:41,10/10/2014 
Well that means the infobox is wrong then.  I have battle of Z too so I made sure to check just in case I was wrong and I don't make it a habit of making edits often unless I am sure of what I'm posting.  And I can understand the confusion from them making him say Big Bang while using his Spirit Sword so that's a mistake on their part.  Stitchking1 (talk) 16:57, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
I am not talking about his Unquie A I am talking about his Super Unquie A is Spirit Sword his Super is Big Bang Flash which is the alternate name for Final Impact it says Big Bang Flash in the super spot when you select him.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:04,10/10/2014 
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See the Special or Super as I call it Big Bang Flash

I know which one you're talking about.  The Spirit Sword was me going off on a tangent.  Anyways, there a too many similarities between the Big Bang Flash and Big Bang Attack.  The main difference between the two is that the Big Bang Attack is supposed to be an energy ball white the Big Bang Flash is a beam.  Although in the anime Vegito calls it Big Bang Attack.  Stitchking1 (talk) 17:23, October 10, 2014 (UTC)
So, what do you plan on doing?  I have no intention of getting into an editing war but I still don't believe these pictures should be up here.  Stitchking1 (talk) 17:12, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
They stay since Vegito uses Big Bang Flash the way the pictures show unless anyone else like an admin agrees with you.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:19,10/11/2014 
Are we really going to take it there?  Those two moves have nothing in common except for the fact that they are ki blasts.  Stitchking1 (talk) 17:50, October 11, 2014 (UTC)
They are fired the same way. The only difference besides name is one is a beam and the other is a energy ball. Plus it has already been proven that Vegito fires his Big Bang Flash like the pictures on this page shows him firing it. I am taking it that you have a problem with anything and everything saying or showing Vegito uses this attack. That's the vibe I am getting from you and your talk page posts and your edits. I have clearly already proven he uses this attack and it states on the page he fires it the same way the Big Bang Attack is fired. Plus look at this page at the pic next to Big Bang Attack/Big Bang Flash List of Techniques Used by Vegito.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:13,10/11/2014 
Just in case there is some confusion of what I'm trying to say let me explain.  The move that is used for the page image is the move Vegeta used against Majin Buu.  This is the only time in the series that his attack is used.  The images I have a problem with are the ones of Vegito doing the Big Bang Attack/Flash.  Which is not the same move Vegeta used.  I don't care if the name is in the info box.  Although it has no business being there. The Big Bang Flash should be a variation of the Big Bang Attack because both are shot from the palm of one.  The Final Impact is fired with the middle, index, and thumb extended.  I agree that the Big Bang Flash and Big Bang Attack are related, but their is no relation between them and the Fiinal Impact.  Stitchking1 (talk) 20:46, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

Final Impact

Super Vegito charging the Big Bang Attack.

Big Bang Attack/Flash

Do these two moves look like they're fired the same way?  Stitchking1 (talk) 20:53, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

I'm personally inclined to say that the Vegito stuff should be removed; I don't see the correlation with Final Impact. I don't understand the bit you were arguing about with Battle of Z since I don't own it, but I feel like related attacks should have a pretty big correlation, and Final Impact's defining feature seems to be the hand position. Tapion13 Shakuran13' Talk' 20:58, October 11, 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Shakuran. Especially if translations and inconsistent sources make this is confusing, let's just not include it. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:27, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
Ok. If I remember correct not all moves are used the same way even though they have the same name like when Gohan uses the Kamehameha but with one arm not two which is how it was suppose to be until Gohan fought Cell and was injured and Future Gohan uses Kamehameha with one arm in Budokai Tenkaichi 3 but he has both arms so isn't it possible that Vegito could use this move with it being called Big Bang Flash but just like he does in the anime.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  06:36,10/12/2014 
If you're using that logic then you could call a Galick Gun a Kamehameha or a Kikosho a Masenko.  The attacks are not fired the same way and they don't cause the same kind of damage.  On top of that two admins said the same things I did.  Also in Tenkaichi both of those moves have Kamehameha in the name.  So please tell me, what makes these moves look so similar to you because I can't see it.  Stitchking1 (talk) 16:54, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
Let's see first off I know what are in the name for the moves in the game. Second off the admins didn't completely agree with you. Third off besides the name Big Bang Flash being what Final Impact was named in Supersonic Warriors what's to say in Battle of Z Vegito doesn't fire Big Bang Flash the exact way Vegeta Fires Final Impact and what's to say he doesn't. If your talking about Kikoho which re-directs to Tri-Beam then you can't even go there about the logic because every time I have seen it used it is never fired like Masenko and I own all nine seasons of DBZ and I have seen if I remember correctly every episode of DB, plus in every game I have played and own it is fired like it is from the first time we see it. Galick Gun on the other hand I have never seen it fired like a Kamehameha. I don't think just because of hand position that the stuuf should be removed. Remember Super Saiyan Goku uses Angry Kamehameha with just one hand and it doesn't look like it is even coming from his hand it looks like it is coming from his aura. I have already explained what makes the moves look similar to me. Also this discussion isn't over yet so the page is to stay as it was when the discussion started between me and you or do you want to get banned because it is against the rules to make the same edit to a page while a discussion dealing with the edit is going on. Also have you the whole time of playing Battle of Z every been close enough to Super Vegito when he fires Big Bang Flash to tell what position his hand is in. We need solid evidence that this Final Impact and Big Bang Flash from Battle of Z have nothing in common. Which will lead to a new page being made plus the re-direct of Big Bang Flash to Final Impact being removed. I will say this it is possible that Final Impact and Super Vegito's Big Bang Flash are not the same move. But we need more info then just the anime and how he fires it we need something with the creators of Battle of Z stating that they are different.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  17:33,10/12/2014 
"We need solid evidence that this Final Impact and Big Bang Flash from Battle of Z have nothing in common"

No, you need to provide compelling evidence that Final Impact and Big Bang Flash from Battle of Z are the same move.Both Shakuran and 10X agreed with him that it should be removed. If you can't give truly solid evidence that they're the same just let it die. Inutsu (talk) 17:59, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

We need evidence to proof either way. Plus they didn't agree with him Shakuran13 said he was personally inclined to remove and 10X agreed with Shakuran13. No I won't let it die because now StitchKing1 is removing the alternate name also and doing so while the discussion is still going on.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:06,10/12/2014 

Of course I took the name off.  Because it doesn't belong there.  And if you need proof just watch the episode again in japanese.  And stop trying to get me in trouble for dumb stuff.  I didn't edit the page until you typed the response "ok".  Which I've notice you conveniently removed.  But like Inutsu said.  You need to prove that it's related to the Final Impact.  All evidence shows that this move is related to the Big Bang Attack with absolutely none to the contrary.  The naming of the move, the manner it's charged and fired, as well as the type of damage all scream Big Bang Attack.  You are the only person in this coversation who thinks otherwise.  Stitchking1 (talk) 18:12, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Ok first off the name does belong because it is an alternate name for Final Impact in Supersonic Warriors. Your the one getting your own self in trouble and the rules aren't stupid. I think I have found proof to solve this problem I found a video of all the Special attacks in Battle of Z and Super Vegito fires Big Bang Flash just like we see Vegeta firing it in the Budokai games. Now I will remove everything dealing with Vegito but the alternate name has to stay considering it is the name for Final Impact in Supersonic Warriors. I hope me and you plus Inutsu never met again.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  18:25,10/12/2014 

I don't know what you're mad about.  Everyone has been stating the truth and nothing else.  And you're right Vegito does shoot the Big Bang Attack the same as Vegeta in Budokai.  Actually in most video games its shot incorrectly.  And I've looked all over the internet and I cannot find a single page that covers Supersonic Warriors 1 or 2 that has Final Impact as a move or Big Bang Flash.  I found Big Bang Burst, but it looks totally different.  Stitchking1 (talk) 18:48, October 12, 2014 (UTC)

Stitchking1, please do not edit the article regarding this matter until a consensus is reached. That means everyone agrees on the resolution. Nothing personal, we just have a convention to leave the article as it was before the disputed edit chain began. Before the convention, people used to edit war about how to leave the article during the conversation, and thus the edit wars would rage on. This way everyone knows how it should be during the discussion process.

I still agree with Shakuran and Stitchking1 that we should not include an alternate name and the relevant info for a completely different attack, due only to a video game mistranslation. I think a note in trivia about the mistranslation would be enough to note that info. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 06:02, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

I did wait until you, Shakuran and Goku20 agreed.  Actually I waited until Goku20 typed ok until I made the edit.  I don't know why he deleted the post afterwards but you'll have to ask him about that.  Stitchking1 (talk) 09:00, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

Stitchking if you go back my ok is still there but I added to it. But ok 10X. Stitchking you can do that part since I done the other. Also I wasn't mad I was just irritated that you and Inustu would tell me what to do and that besides the anime in Japanese mono with English subtitles you wouldn't provide any other source to proof your statement but hey that's all in the past. If me and you do meet again I hope it's about something different.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  10:02,10/13/2014 
That's fine with me.  Stitchking1 (talk) 10:12, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
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