Talk:Beerus

Name

Bills? Really? The god of destruction has a name like Bills? Seriously, they should have called him Anubis. Just saying.—This unsigned comment was made by Gamewolf67 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

This English spelling is now officially confirmed. JeangabinTalkContrib 18:13, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

Anubis

Actually, Anubis is the god of funerals and mummifications. And, depending on the story, god of death. But he's not the god of the underworld, that's Osiris. Just sayin'. 91.177.169.215 11:20, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Just have to get it out of my head.

I know he's supposed to have that Egyptian god style, but he looks like a rabbit. The Supreme Diamond-Hooded Eagle.

He looks like ã sphynx cat. And, for Japanese and Chinese, Cats and Rabbits are very close animals (I think that they even taste the same). JeangabinTalkContrib 19:46, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Glitch

Am I the only one who can't see Bills' info and just the article title? The Odd Musketeer 19:29, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

I can see the info. ^Buu _uuu ^uuu _uuu ^uuu!! 19:32, December 10, 2012 (UTC)

Strongest

If he is the strongest being in the universe and defeats Goku easily the first time, how will they beat him?—This unsigned comment was made by 99.190.50.199 (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

What about the fusions?

"V-Jump also notes that Bills is without a doubt the strongest being in the history of Z."

Does this mean this guy is stronger than Vegeto or Gogeta?! I mean, how "official" is V-Jump information? (no irony, I'm seriously curious)

And also, if he is THAT strong, how the hell is Goku going to defeat him the second time they fight? 

The only canon that truly matters is in-universe facts. V-jump isn't Toriyama, so it often gets things wrong. This is a case of that, as Bills, in the movie, completely disproves this quote. However, people on this wiki tend to take V-jump as the end-all, which is unfortunate. It's not. -Brady Patrick (talk)

infobox pic

this looks like it needs a new infobox pic. the current one is kind of a bad quality

im too lazy to go find one myself plus i probobly will not find a GOOD  one 

QuackulonThe DuckTyrant!! 03:04, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

The current is the image used for his profile on the film official website: http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/movie/2013_dragonballz/character/ We can hardly find something better than this for his infobox image. JeangabinTalkContrib 03:14, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

If that is the case then shouldn't all character pages be standardised to use the pictures found on the Toei Animation site? ;) Anyway, would this picture be suitable? http://bignadaforever.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/dragon-ball-z-battle-of-gods-bills-e.html (second picture down, there is no direct url to the image itself)

Super Bills (talk) 20:33, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

This image is a fanart. JeangabinTalkContrib 00:08, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

I have a suggestion - What about this? If there is a problem with the shape. It can be cropped... I would just like the green light. The picture in his current infobox, should be in "Concept & Creation". 

(New World God (talk) 18:41, August 5, 2014 (UTC)).

The current one is much better at showing off Bills. — A ^{(t • c)} 18:42, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, we want the pic that has the best view of his regular appearance, not an action shot. Current image is better. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:53, August 5, 2014 (UTC)

If Bills is a God

Does that mean he's not an actual villain?

His whole existence is to provide a necessary service to the Universe. If Goku just kills him, how can that be justified? After all, Bills is simply fulfilling his pre-ordained purpose. 86.12.52.72 21:51, February 11, 2013 (UTC)Ron

Not necessarily.  Gods can have different roles in different fictional universes. Janemba4eva (talk) 22:45, February 12, 2013 (UTC)

King Kai is a god. He was killed too, and so were the other Supreme Kais.

Sandubadear (talk) 22:33, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Being a deity who can already travel freely between the different realms and who would probably retain his body after death, I don't see how killing him would have any impact on him carrying out his duties.

Super Bills (talk) 22:58, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Supernova Attack

I know this might be trivial but does anyone else think that "Sun-looking" is the wrong term? Sun is not an adjective so postfixing it with -looking seems wrong. I changed it to "Sun-like" but it was reverted because it was said to imply that the attack was the size of the sun, but surely that would be "Sun-sized"?

Super Bills (talk) 12:51, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Hold up"

"Going further, V-Jump notes that Bills is without a doubt the strongest being in the history of Z"

"however, he is still weaker than his martial arts master Whis."

Does no one see the contradiction here? 99.190.50.199 05:44, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Translation error? Could just be nonsensical advertising to build hype, too. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 21:51, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

This was stated for commercial purpose. Goku fighting the strongest being in the Z universe. But as Toei plans making sequels, they say Whis is stronger than Bills at the end of the movie, and only at the end of the movie, nowhere else. JeangabinTalkContrib 00:14, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Bills is not the strongest

"Going further, V-Jump notes that Bills is without a doubt the strongest being in the history of Z." - This is patently false. In the movie, Bills himself says that Whis is stronger than him, and this is even posted on Whis' page. As movie canon supercedes what any (non-canon) magazine says, this should be removed. -Brady Patrick (talk)

Read the topic above this one. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:37, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

Naming

Moved to: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Naming_conventions_for_%22Bills%22_and_%22Whis%22.?t=20130402220918 -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:58, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Broly is the strongest. not Bills

An interview from Broly's creator, Takao Koyama says Broly gets stronger every second he fights. Broly gets stronger without any limits. It is mentioned on Japanese website that Broly is the strongest villan in DB history. Bills is definetly going to lose if he fought with Broly. Even Omega Shenron or SSJG, SSJ4 is not enough to take on Broly.

Bsix.gangnam (talk) 04:45, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Broly does not get stronger evry second he fights, besides he was defeated by a waek SSJ2 Gohan and 2 kids           and even if his power increases by time (wich is not true) he can't defeat Bills cause he will kill him in 1 second           Broly is even weaker than SP Cell  I am GokuBrolyVegeta.

19:24, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, Broly made it explicitly clear that he was growing stronger the longer he fights, and Broly is NOT weaker than SPC at all. Still, Koyama has officially stated that Bills surpassed Broly in terms of power, at least at the moment. He still hasn't taken back his statements about Broly being stronger than Gogeta, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:55, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty positive that was a dub error. LSSJ doesn't increase one's strength, but their ki. That's it. All LSSJ does is increase the ki in one's body and it will get to a point where it will blow up his body if he doesn't expel the excess ki flowing through his body. That was why he was howling in pain and was panting after that ki storm he produced. Even if this claim of yours was true, he wouldn't live long enough to get to that point since he would still need to actually survive long enough for his power to reach the point where he does match or exceed him. And considering the vast power difference between LSSJ and SSJ3, Broly isn't gonna be defeating him in any lifetime. Kaihedgie (talk) 04:04, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

No, he was definitely getting stronger, and I doubt it was a dubbing error, either (had it truly just been ki, he would have overloaded at some point during Movie 10, which he clearly didn't do), and Koyama pretty much stated it anyways. Either way, I'm also doubtful that Broly's LSSJ form was weaker than a SSJ3. Heck, Movie 8 Broly already beat up two FPSSJs, two ASSJs (the latter two being explicitly stated to grant the user the strength of three Super Saiyans), and a Super Namek in his LSSJ form with little effort (and he even implies at one point that he was holding back his power to toy with them), meaning it is comparable to, if not stronger than SSJ3 (which is officially stated to be 8x that of a Super Saiyan). Besides, even if it were somehow stronger than LSSJ, it's only to the extent that USSJ was stronger than Perfect Cell (meaning, stronger in raw power, but extremely inadvisable to use due to serious risks, a huge drain in stamina in the case of SSJ3, as evidenced by what happened to Goku each time he used that power, including against Kid Buu especially). That's not even getting into Movie 10 Broly, who was confirmed to have gotten much stronger from a Zenkai. The only characters officially confirmed to actually be stronger than Broly's LSSJ form are Bills and Hatchiyack, and the latter only applied to Movie 8 Broly. Note they never confirmed SSJ3 to be stronger than Broly at all, and Koyama even stated Gogeta was weaker than Broly. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:57, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Here's the problem with Koyama: the only thing he's ever written for Dragon Ball Z are the non-canon movies and I highly doubt he ever made such a statement. Toriyama certainly didn't make or on agree on such a comment either. Even if it were true, your theory hinges on Broly actually surviving long enough to reach that point in time where he might be stronger than him. The problem with your argument is that it's a what-if case. Hasn't happened and never will. Bills is still alive and actually managed to defeat all of the Z Fighters. Broly did not.Kaihedgie (talk) 05:33, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, Broly DID manage to defeat the Z-Fighters multiple times, at least in Movie 8: He beat Trunks, Goku, and Gohan in the first round (something Goku even admitted), he then beat them in round two. Then he managed to defeat Goku, Gohan, Trunks, and Piccolo, and later beat them plus Vegeta. It was only in the climax that Broly actually lost against to the Z-Fighters, and even then, only to Goku in a superpowered state. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:05, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Koyama created Broly but wasn't involve with Battle of Gods at all, which is why he says Broly feels stronger than Bills. The guy just wants his job to be recognize as better than that of Yūsuke Watanabe. JeangabinTalkContrib 14:27, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Category:Villain

So, recently, it was suggested that this be discussed on the talk page, and since the user who made the edit (which was reverted, pending some sort of consensus) didn't start a discussion, I figured I'd take a crack at it. I agree that Bills shouldn't be placed in Category:Villains since, while he is an antagonist, he isn't evil and doesn't really cause any lasting harm and even if he did, he would only be doing his job. After all, Whis certainly doesn't seem evil, so it's unlikely he would hang around Bills if he was.-- 飛妖蛾様時代樹 01:56, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

lol, I didn't see it at all that 10x reverted it. Villains mean he is evil, in which he isn't. He was just enraged because Buu didn't give him his pudding. Maybe PZ can convince him better. Sandubadear 02:02, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I think this is important to talk about before the site takes a stance. Bills didn't kill anyone in this movie, but we do know he often destroys planets filled with people. Whis encourages the behavior. Whether or not they killed anyone in the film is probably less important than the role of the two of them from full timeline point of view. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 02:52, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Sandubadear, I do not need convincing, we work on a community consensus. Having said that, I agree that PZ is an excellent person to ask, being a foremost expert on DB villains. I have asked to to weigh in here. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 02:57, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

:D calm down I dun want to get blocked again soon :D Sandubadear 03:00, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

It's just his job as god of destruction. He seems very nice when he's not working (Bulma said they were very polite for Vegeta's acquaintances) :P Sandubadear 03:02, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yes, like I said, even if he had destroyed everyone at the end, it's technically his job. He performs a necessary role to maintain the balance in the Universe, as explained by King Kai. He destroys planets so that new ones can be created. Therefore, he can't be considered "evil" or a "villain," since he's doing his job just like the Supreme Kai does his job.-- 飛妖蛾様時代樹 03:10, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Bills and Whis have a more complex basis for differentiation. They aren't villains in the conventional sense, but they are definitely antagonists in their own right as they oppose the primary force of savior, etc. In retrospect, since they are merely fulfilling their duties, they aren't "pure" villains, so to speak. But since they are antagonists, we need to look at their ending in the movie itself. If they are portrayed to have simply lost the scuffle, they are technically just antagonists and not villains. The strongest most important deciding factor for characters like these is what happens to them in the end. This said, Vader is not a villain in Star Wars. Scorpius is not a villain in Farscape. And Android 17 is not a villain in Dragon Ball. Hence, the best thing to categorize Bills/Whis as is simply antagonists at best. If they change their ways in the end or are somehow forgiven, their previous actions of evildoing are null and void. When it comes to my final verdict on these two (Bills/Whis), I would not say that they are pure villains. I would not say they are heroes or anti-heroes either. They're simply antagonists, much like Nuova Shenron, 17, and Majin Buu (at some point). - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 20:51, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

He wasn't going to destroy the Earth for mere evillish. It was because Buu didn't give him his damn pudding! They don't change ways, technically Bills still destroys the Earth at the end, but it's just "a small portion of Earth" Sandubadear 20:56, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

They should at least be listed as Former Villains, since they appeared as villains in the movie. Yamcha, Tien, Chiaotzu, Piccolo, and many other Z Fighters were also just antagonists, yet, they're listed as Former Villains. JeangabinTalkContrib 21:06, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

But they never said "yo we're villains because we do evil things". So they can't be former villains if they never were villains in the first place Sandubadear 21:15, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if Bills and Whis qualify as former villains either. I mean, we never saw them having a BBQ with the heroes the way Abo and Kado did. I think they're just antagonists. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 21:23, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

They both only have one appearance and have shown no change. Villain or not, I do not think "former villain" fits. Sandubadear, do not edit the articles until the discussion is finished. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 23:11, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Hm, I thought it was over. What now? I thought everyone agreed that they aren't villains. Sandubadear 23:32, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Jean disagreed and was not given sufficient time to respond. Maybe he has more to say that will instantly change your mind. I would rather see it take a day or two and do it right than switch the articles back and forth repeatedly before a consensus is reached. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 23:42, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think they're villains because Bills and Wiss made friends with the Z Fighters and Goku at the end of the movie. In fact they were friends before then was it not for making him mad because of the Pudding. And we should all agree that Fat Buu is the one responsible for all of this. Bills I wouldn't call a bad guy. Just an antagonist. He's no where near as evil as Kid Buu, Frieza or Cell are. Wiss isn't either but he seems more kind and just likes food. So would they both be anti heroes cause they made friends and be allies with Goku at the end?Teengohanrocks (talk) 14:58, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

You are thinking of "former villain". Anti-hero is someone who is a good guy, but uses unethical means. Like if Batman murdered bad guys instead of sending them to jail. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:48, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Not necessarily; an anti-hero is just someone who doesn't have the traditional attributes that a protagonist usually has. Which could mean that they're unethical, but not always. Like how Wolverine is impolite or Krillin is a coward or Gintoki from Gintama is a selfish slob. But this is just a "rectangle is not always a square" situation. Most of the time they are "unethical," like Vegeta. But while I agree that Bills and Whis aren't villains, they can't be anti-heroes since they're antagonists.-- 飛妖蛾様時代樹 23:34, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

They are neither villains, nor anti-heroes. they are neutral antagonists, like Ledgic. Sandubadear 00:14, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

What Sandubabear said. Not any type of hero, not evil. Just people who oppose the protagonists. Shakuran13ThisendsNOW! 00:31, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Aside from the helpful dictionary excerpt, anti-heroes does not seem right, because they are not protagonists (this time... next time I have a hunch they will be). Let's give Jean another day. If we do not here back, it's a consensus. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:49, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

"Aside from..."? I was agreeing with you, so it doesn't make sense to say that as if I was dissenting. I was just clarifying so that we don't exclude people from being considered anti-heroes in the future on the basis that they have to be "unethical," which is untrue or at the very least misleading. And it wasn't an excerpt, otherwise I would have put it in quotes. People can explain words without using a dictionary, you know. In fact, I just looked it up and the only similarity I see is "attributes" and "protagonist". If you can define what an anti-hero is without using those words or synonyms, be my guest. How would you define what a "house" is? Probably, "a place where people live," right? The dictionary says "a building where people live." Some things just can't be boiled down any simpler. Sorry if you think I explain things in an uncreative way, I didn't know I was being graded on my originality.-- 飛妖蛾様時代樹 01:37, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

From all the recent additions to this topic, I still find them both (Whis + Bills) to be antagonists alone; they are neither anti-heroes nor villains. But since we know they are antagonists, we should at least clarify this by removing the Bills image from the main page as he is supposed to be representing all movie villains (I recommend Garlic Junior as he is the most prominent due to having his own saga and being the most important of the movie villains to appear onscreen). - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 02:07, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

In all fairness I don't think anyone was considering them to be anti-heroes, except Teengohanrocks, who just said it in an off-comment. I don't think he was trying to propose that that be their official designation. The point of this discussion was originally to determine if we should include Bills (and I suppose Whis by extension) in Category:Villains, and the consensus on that subject seems to be "no" at this point. Regardless of the slight derailment via the "anti-hero" debate (which was pointless, seeing how no one was actually arguing in favor of it and we were all basically disagreeing over how we were agreeing with each other), I still think that's the consensus, especially since no one seems to consider them anti-heroes.
-- 飛妖蛾様時代樹 03:12, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Or Broly PZ as he had 3 movies and seem to be some of the fan favorites beside from Cooler, Bills and Wiss. I mean 3 movies and the first one was like 75 minutes long which is almost as long as Battle of Gods is pretty big. So it goes for the main movie person on the front page of Garlic Jr (Who had a very short saga) and Broly (Who had 3 pretty long movies especially the first one)Teengohanrocks (talk) 15:09, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

I agree, since Broly is the most recurring "villain" (though that smacks of POV) in the movies. Or Cooler, since he appears twice and is related to arguably the most important and plot-relevant antagonist in the series (Frieza).
-- 飛妖蛾様時代樹 16:42, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

The main page is more of an advertisement to explore the site than a factual entity. I am okay with Bills staying there simply because he is the newest antagonist in a film. The movie is a big deal right now, and from a binary point of view he's probably closer to a villain than a hero. When readers view his article they can make the judgment, and see out categorization (or rather, lack thereof). As for the articles, I think we are fine removing the villain tag. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 22:59, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Luckily encyclopedias don't contain binary points of view; in fact, I'm fairly certain that they're supposed to NPOV, which is why I'm against the idea of tagging characters as "villains" in the first place, but you can't change everything in a day, I suppose.
-- 飛妖蛾様時代樹 01:24, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Well, since I myself only love true villains, I don't find it a good idea to attribute the newest material as the primary source simply because Bills is the newest antagonist in the franchise. This is completely against what the villain section on the main page is all about. If we were to include a section for "others" then it would be more suitable. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 01:50, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Neutral point of view is not the same as having no point of view. We get everyone together like this to objectively determine what people from all around the world think and get one collected, unbiased point of view to state as the truth. We do have a binary point of view in this instance; either we categorize him as a villain or we do not. In the text we obviously have more room to talk about it, and even better is to explain the context only and allow the reader to decide on their own. The practical outcome is that if they don't care about the movie plot and just want a 2-second answer, categories do that for them. If they care more, they have the intro section. Hardcore fans have the whole body of course, and it gives the most thorough explanation. The main page is not an article though, it's just a bunch of flashy and interesting bits to get readers hooked. Interactive sections like the poll don't give any info at all, they're just for fun. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 02:54, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

I support putting Broly as the image for villains. It's certainly not that big of a deal, but I just see no good reason to use Bills other than the fact that he's topical. Broly is way more popular, iconic, and villainous. Especially with a common misconception like this, if we put Bills as a villain on the main page and not on his page, it'll really confuse fans and readers. We can still be flashy and informative. Shakuran13ThisendsNOW! 05:15, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Shakuran as the Bills link on the main page will greatly confuse fans and readers. However, I disagree with Broly being the iconic movie villain, and he's also less villainous than numerous movie villains. The only bonus he may have is the popularity level. Garlic Junior is more important that Broly as he is originally derived from the movie universe as well. Broly is technically as important as Cooler in the movie universe and that still isn't as primary a role in the series as Garlic Junior, who has an entire saga named after him. But my second and third choices to represent the movie-link to the portals section are Broly and Cooler, although I greatly find Garlic Junior to be far more important a character. - User:PrinceZarbon/sig 19:01, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hyoga, you recently made a post here that was off-topic, and only addressing me, so I moved it to your talk page and responded there. Please only make posts necessary for proper article formatting on the article talk page. Thank you. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 19:53, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Let's move the main page icons discussion over to main page talk. Again, no longer about Bills' article. Thanks guys. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 19:53, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

I'll ask before I do it, can I delete the categories? Sandubadear 23:36, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Yah, let's call it done. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 23:46, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

I've watched the movie. It's not because Bills was funny and became Goku's friend in the end that he isn't a villain. He wanted to destroy Earth for no reason during the whole movie, and said he'll return later to destroy it at the end. JeangabinTalkContrib 00:59, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

He wanted to destroy the Earth cause he didn't have any pudding. Besides it's his job in the end to destroy planets.Teengohanrocks (talk) 16:26, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah jean, read the previous messages. He did not do it for mere evillish like Frieza. He did it because he was denied pudding. We all already agreed that. Sandubadear 16:43, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Past or Present tense?

The first half of this article is almost in a complete different style from the second half. Half of the events are written in a past tense (He did this, and then he killed him).  While other parts are present (He does this, and then he kills him).  I'm assuming the best way to write any article relating to these kind of character bios is to write them in past tense, but since it's been so long, I've forgotten if that wasn't the rule. If anyone can correct me, I'd appreciate it.  DinkyPotato 22:03, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Correct tense for fictional events is present. This is a grammar issue, not just a wikia policy. You can remember it by asking yourself, "Did Goku beat Frieza in the past?" The answer is no, he never beat Frieza, because the events are all fictional. You can also remember by recalling that the reader may freely observe events both before and after any given point in time in the story. Every time they get to the finale on Namek, Goku beats Frieza. -- .10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 06:56, November 16, 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't the name be Beers/Beerus?

There is a screenshot of "Bills"'s name being Beers, not to mention several references in Toriyama interviews to his name coming from "beer" and /or virus. Here's a screenshot: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/meq0kvrvcl80z84/HisNameIsBeers.jpg SaiyanZ 04:09, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

What is the screenshot from? Who translated those interviews you are making claims about? It is fine to make changes but we need official sources. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 06:49, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

He's talking about the story where Toriyama thought his name was a pun on "beer" and designed Whis for "whiskey". Official products like the DS and Battle of Z use the Bills spelling, so a change would be in bad form. --BobLogical (talk) 07:00, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Z calls him Beerus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKqT-BYWQNk SaiyanZ 03:08, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

The game is not even out yet. Let's wait for the English release before citing it on either side of the debate. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:22, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

The game isn't, but the demo is. Shouldn't that be enough? Here is a screenshot: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb-v4suCIAAWcOe.png SaiyanZ 04:20, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Dang, there's so much conflicting material on this. On a slightly-random note, Game Informer's January 2014 Issue (yush, it's English) called him Birus. ^Buu _uuu ^uuu _uuu ^uuu!! 04:36, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

There's three official spellings: Bills and Beers in Japan, and Beerus in the Battle of Z demo. JeangabinTalkContrib 10:33, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Nevertheless, considering this is the English Dragon Ball Wiki, and Battle of Z will be the first media portraying the character in English, using the localized name "Beerus" is most applicable.

talk contr

19:40, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Let's wait and see what the game uses. Demos are never what the final product is. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:00, December 24, 2013 (UTC)

Localized name confirmation: Beerus

The upcoming game Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Z, has the character officially named Beerus. Considering this is official English spelling thus far I believe the article etc. needs to be altered. [1]

talk contr

07:34, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

This was already discussed on the topic right above. JeangabinTalkContrib 10:33, December 21, 2013 (UTC)

Beerus name change - with links for confirmation.

I've changed the name, and in the edit summary I included official sources that list his name as Beerus. Namco Bandai's site: http://www.uk.namcobandaigames.eu/news/2013/12/21/god-goku-and-beerus-unveiled-at-jump-festa-2014/3936

And Chris Sabat's Twitter (considering he runs the English side of Dragon Ball as a producer, pretty much is easy to trust what he says)

https://twitter.com/Chris24_Sabat/status/415010780652658688

- El Diabeetus

That's a name used for just one video game. Don't you know Paragus is called Paragas in Supersonic Warriors and Shin Budokai. JeangabinTalkContrib 15:51, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

You have a point, but, Sabat himself is saying that it's the English name. It'd be different if it was just Namco Bandai. Since Kai, Sabat pretty much has final word on anything in the English version. So, whenever Battle of Gods comes out in English, it'd be Beerus. Using the example you posted, Paragas still sounds similar, probably just a quality control issue. Doubt Beerus is a mistake on Namco Bandai/Chris Sabat's part.

- El Diabeetus

The game comes out in 2 weeks. We can asses the name at that point. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 05:32, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Since the first (and ~ultimately only) official English speeling we have, I'm okay for the page to be named Beerus. JeangabinTalkContrib 07:28, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

At 10x, I guess that's a fair compromize. But, the name has been proven to not be Bills in the English version by FUNimation which is what this Wikia follows. If it were a Latino Spanish wikia, I wouldn't argue it since they officially call him Bills. I personally still think it's a stupid romanization that completely ignores the beer and/or virus (or both in this case) puns. Just seems kinda silly to dance around it when Sabat himself confirmed its Beerus. But, if that's what you're sticking with until the game comes out, I suppose there's nothing I can do about it.

- El Diabeetus

Just wait the release date. Once it's confirmed the name is used in the actual game (other than demo, hacked versions, etc.), it'll be changed. JeangabinTalkContrib 01:25, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

What did FUNimation say? All I saw was a link to one person's Twitter comment. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:41, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

Eh, considering Chris Sabat has full creative control on the English dub of Dragon Ball productions nowadays, I wouldn't just ignore it. FUNimation has Sabat take care of the dubbing work. They dub it at his studio Okratron5000. There's also the Namco Bandai page I linked to, which would technically be a more official source. But, between that and Sabat's comment it seems like a no brainer to me to switch it. Keeping it Bills is inaccurate. Especially when Bills came from some 3rd Party 3DS case that Toei had nothing to do with, wouldn't really consider it an accurate romanization. When no official company involved in the English or Japanese use it. Also, Namco Bandai always uses the FUNimation spellings. If they didn't, Freeza would be Freeza instead of Frieza or Tullece would be Tullece instead of Turles. But, if you want to wait until the game out, that's totally fine. I won't argue that despite it ignoring the whole character's name pun. I'm just curious why go with Whis but use Bills? Doesn't make sense to me to keep the pun for one name but ignore it for the other. In my opinion at least.

- El Diabeetus

"Bills" is also used in the press kits for the movie sent around by Toei. JeangabinTalkContrib 01:00, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Which I don't understand due to Toei's own romanization in their movie guide being Beers. It's contridicting themselves. But, the game is out in English. They say Beerus, clearly.

The video/audio/dubtitles say Beerus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjerYwa6UwA —This unsigned comment was made by ElDiabeetus (talk • contribs) Please sign your posts with ~~~~ next time!

EDIT: Thanks, Jeangabin meant to leave it tagged but forgot. - El Diabeetus

Two days left. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 06:21, January 27, 2014 (UTC)

That works! - El Diabeetus

Beerus and Frieza

I read this on TV Tropes and I don't know how legitimate it is, but did Beerus order Frieza to destroy Planet Vegeta because he didn't like the banquet?--King Chubzhac, Boss of YOU (talk) 03:23, March 19, 2014 (UTC)

No, this was early fan speculation when it was revealed Beerus knew Frieza before even the release of the film. JeangabinTalkContrib 01:02, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

Beerus's Race

Ok we have one user who thinks that Beerus's race is a cat but from the way it looks the only other user who undone that user's edit disagrees me I am not an expert on the subject but I think his race is as the page says right now a god.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:28,8/26/2014 

God has always been a job before. For example, Kami is a Namekian, who serves as God of Earth. The Kais are sort of a weird combination, since they are god people. Beerus may be even harder to categorize since he is unique and we don't know much about him. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:18, August 28, 2014 (UTC)

Ok I don't know much about him anyways but cat isn't a race if I am correct it is a animal so his race I think should be left blank till we know more about him but defiantly his race.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  00:23,8/28/2014 

By race here we mean species, so cat would qualify. You're right, we need to know more about him, or more specifically if there are others like him. If there are regular cat people that are not gods this discussion will be clearer. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:41, August 29, 2014 (UTC)

Ok.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:43,8/29/2014 

beerus race should be cat or uknown. look at page of Korin, he's race is listed as cat even tho he walks on 2 legs and talks. Auibnbrnbia (talk) 22:54, September 1, 2014 (UTC)

Good point. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:29, September 2, 2014 (UTC)

Yes it is a good point but if god or as the category actually says deities isn't a race then everyone in that category would have to be changed to something else on their race and that category deleted.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:33,9/2/2014 

Never mind on part of my last message.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  03:36,9/2/2014 

He's not a cat he's an alien from an unknown race there is no official source that says he's cat — LG ^{(t • c)} 10:55, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Ok first off you need to put you message directly under my last one second off you need to get the info for your sig onto this wiki and third off as far as I know their is no official source that says korin is a cat besides people in the anime and manga calling him a cat so if we change Beerus's race to unknown unless 10X has a source that say Korin is cat then we would have to change his race also. your the only one that disagrees with his race now but on a different note I think we need to fix Whis's race so it doesn't link to the deities page.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  22:09,9/9/2014 

Korin is listed as a cat because, as you stated, he is said to be such in the series. Unknown would be okay for Beerus if you guys feel strongly, I don't mind. Either way we just have to wait for the next movie or a licensed guide to find out more. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 23:20, September 9, 2014 (UTC)

Me I don't care either way either but he does look like a cat so based on that I think we should leave the Race as cat until we get an exact race from either the movie the creator or a reliable source.  Goku20  Talk  ULTRA DBZ  ULTRA POKEMON  23:44,9/9/2014 

"He's not a cat he's an alien from an unknown race there is no official source that says he's cat" — Lord Gaimon

Yes there is. Just read his page and you'll find a lot of them. Sandubadear 23:44, October 2, 2014 (UTC)

bump You mean the descriptions that say he looks like a cat? Becomes it doesn't say that. Nothing says that. — A ^{(t • c)} 11:21, March 16, 2015 (UTC)

Hmmm... I don't think he's a cat, that is not a "race", the other gods' race is called Shin-jin, so he and Whis might be a variant of this. Still I'm curious to see why these 2 guys are light years stronger than who are supposed to be the gods of the universe (the Supreme Kais) and why there is only one counterpart (god of destruction) versus, at least, 10 kais. --†_JuαиPα™_† ^{a message? File:Forum new.gif} 08:23, July 8, 2015 (UTC)

Xenoverse quickie, personality trait shown?

While playing Xenoverse, shortly after Beerus teams up with you he comments on Demigra looking/acting evil, noting he'll enjoy killing him. So is it worth noting he like to destroy evil people in the personality section? AsuraDrago 23:01, March 13, 2015 (UTC)

Yes. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 20:18, March 15, 2015 (UTC)

is beerus considered Evil?

because he destroyeds planets and probably kills innocent people (Spice boys (talk) 17:47, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

I know you want different opinions, but I'll just throw this out here for other people to see. In my opinion, Beerus isn't really "evil". He isn't on anyone's side really. Just sort of neutral. And it's his job as the God of Destruction to create balance in the universe. Ripto (talk) 18:00, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

yes i agree with you mate (Spice boys (talk) 18:11, June 19, 2015 (UTC)

Me too. It's his job. There are probably creator deities to balance him out as a destruction being. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:26, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

i agree (Spice boys (talk) 15:37, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

edit worz

Last year we had agreed that Beerus' race is Cat, because you know, he is one. For some reason, someone removed it, so I'm adding it back. Thanks plz. Sandubadear 23:33, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Recoome is human. — A ^{(t • c)}

I dunno about Recoome, but Ginyu is.

Chapter: 284 (DBZ 90), P5.2

Context: after Goku and Ginyu fight a bit

Ginyu: “If you’ve gotten confident from that brief exchange just now, I’ll soon take you down a notch…The truth is that I am also the type of human that can freely alter their battle power…!”

Human ≠ Earthling Sandubadear 00:18, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Hm, I guess no one else cares. Fair enough. Oh and that's still pretty dumb. — A ^{(t • c)}

I'll only become more aggressive with time. — A ^{(t • c)}

Dragon Ball Super

With Dragon Ball Super releasing, do we put Dragon Ball Super below Resurrection F or above Battle of Gods or wait for the english dub? Meshack (talk) 01:43, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Dunno, I think we can either add it chronologically or put BoG and RF in a separate "Movie appearances" section (since it appears that they will be rewritten anyway). Sandubadear 01:46, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

We should put the anime with the anime, and the movies with the movies. If you stick the movies into the anime order, people start fighting about canon. It's more objective to simply order the article by media type. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 17:15, July 5, 2015 (UTC)

Beerus vs vegeta DBS inaccurate

so iv yet again changed beerus power use vs vegeta ssj2 to 1% as stated when i first translated it. my uni roomate is japanese he watched it in raw while i waited for sub after watching it i was telling him how op vegeta was and he stated that the translation was innacurate it is not 10% they said 1%  power used. people keep changing it back with out stating a reason why

i stated my reason above why i corrected it and put it to 1%

they undid what i did with no reason why fact is of matter this wiki tends to jump onto adding episodes with out a proper translatsion a accuate one 

17:34, September 8, 2015 (UTC)17:34, September 8, 2015 (UTC)JanikOokami (talk) 17:34, September 8, 2015 (UTC)JanikOokami

"Minute: 10 Context: After Beerus defeats angry Vegeta Beerus: "It's been a long time since I've used 10% or so of my full strength. Well, this was more fun than with that Saiyan over at North Kaio's place." Significance: So it seems Beerus used approximately 10% of his full strength to defeat angry Vegeta, and since it's "been a long time" since he's done that, presumably he used less power when defeating Super Saiyan 3 Goku back in episode 5. The word for 10% here is １割/ichi-wari, the same pattern used in BoG when Whis talks about Beerus fighting at 70% of his power, and SSG Goku talks about fighting at 80%. In contrast, Freeza always used the English word "percent" (so he describes his 100% full power as 100パーセント/hyaku-paasento). Some people have mistranslated １割/ichi-wari as only 1%. The term Beerus uses to describe his full power here is 本気を出す/honki wo dasu, meaning to make a serious effort or go all-out (in contrast, Freeza again uses the actual English words "full power": フルパワー/furu pawaa). So a more literal translation would be something like "It's been a long time since I've gone 10% or so all-out", but I thought that sounded both weird and more ambiguous than the phrase is in Japanese." — Herms

No. Sandubadear 17:46, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

The correct translation is indeed 10%User:Matelsmed/sig 19:11, September 8, 2015 (UTC)

Beerus' manga debut for infobox.

Currently he is listed as having the Ressurrection F preview manga (2015) as his debut manga appearance, but technically wouldn't he have debuted in the 2013 Battle of Gods special of Dragonball SD? Battle_of_Gods_SD#Bonus_Chapter_1:_Battle_of_Gods_SD

While we are at it, that special manga chapter actually came out three weeks before the movie did, so isn't that theoretically his overall debut appearance? --Cadellin (talk) 10:51, October 27, 2015 (UTC)

Personality

Greetings,

am i only one that thinks Beerus has changed in latest Super episodes hes nicer one example:

1.)Episode 54: Goku steals food from Beerus and instead of going all out Beerus just lightly punches Goku and in next sceene Goku and Beerus have fight for that food. I do not belive beerus from first two arcs would react on food stealing so nicely. Lets not forget Beerus is still a wild card and he is not on any side.

What do you think has Beerus become nicer?

Lovec1990 (talk) 17:36, August 14, 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't say "nicer", rather that after spending so much time with Goku and co. he has started to warm up to them. NMBRHNTR64 (talk) 20:26, August 14, 2016 (UTC)

Beerus wants Goku to become more powerful, even before the inter-universe tournament was announced. I wonder why... -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 21:41, August 15, 2016 (UTC)

if beerus and Champa fight full strength who will win ?? and also I think what beerus and Champa brothers ?? I think they are similar but the difference is beerus lean and fat Champa xD

Beerus/Vados trivia

The new DLC for XV2 has special dialogue where Beerus says he fancied about with Vados (I'm not entirely sure what it means exactly, it could mean a few things). The reason it's interesting and deserves a spot on the page is because it gives a bit of info about two characters who we know have history, but we have hardly seen interact together. If not placed in the trivia section it should at least go in the VG section, as we have put references to special dialogue there on other pages.--Neffyarious (talk) 02:26, February 27, 2017 (UTC)

Seems strange for us to add something to an article when we don't know what it means. Maybe he dated Vados, maybe he has a crush on her, maybe he thinks she's a good fighter... we don't know. "Fancied" her would mean something, but "fancied about with" doesn't mean anything as far as I know. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:19, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

Even if we don't know exactly what it means does not mean it is not interesting and worthy of being included. People will see that piece of info and come to their own conclusion on what exactly it means, but we won't be speculating, we will have the exact wording down.--Neffyarious (talk) 03:29, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

So anytime we see something nonsensical or confusing in a video game we should put it on the site? This doesn't make sense. We put info on the site because it's interesting and people care, not "just in case" it means something. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 23:11, February 28, 2017 (UTC)

• But it's not nonsensical, it just has multiple possible meanings, and it is interesting - giving info about characters who otherwise have not interacted much.--Neffyarious (talk) 00:48, March 1, 2017 (UTC)

We still don't know whether or not the game producers think they interacted. The phrase means nothing. It's not notable. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 03:23, March 1, 2017 (UTC)

• The phrase does mean something though, we just don't exactly know what it means. Kinda like the recent "mortal level" thing in DBS, nobody knows exactly what it refers to even though it's been brought up - though there are several possibilities. We know the characters have interacted. These things make me think it is notable, as least to be put into the video game section. I mean we have Android 13's game only dialogue with Cell in his vg section, and we know for certain that they never actually interacted.--Neffyarious (talk) 07:31, March 1, 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with you saying they interacted based on the game phrase. And not knowing makes it not notable. The game producers wrote a bad line of dialogue that doesn't mean anything and can't be interpreted logically. What does this say about Beerus? Nothing. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:04, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Thought: is this just a bad translation that lost all meaning? Maybe the Japanese version of the game has the real intent. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 01:05, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

I don't mean that they interacted based on the quote from the game, we know that they interacted due to events in the manga/anime. The line can be interpreted logically, you and I have both done so above. The line gives info on Beerus' interactions and views on Vados. Maybe the Japanese version is different, but I dunno where to find.--Neffyarious (talk) 06:13, March 3, 2017 (UTC)

There is no logical interpretation. Anime events are fine but this game quote has no business in the article. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 02:21, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

So game quoutes shouldnt be in the game section?--Neffyarious (talk) 09:03, March 8, 2017 (UTC)

Poorly worded quotes with no discernible meaning shouldn't be on the Wiki. -- 10X.Ka^.me_.ha^.me_.ha^.._.^..talk_.^..._.contrib. 00:11, March 9, 2017 (UTC)

Beerus’ Age

I guess Beerus has lived for 100s of millions of years since he did state that in the anime when meeting Goku for the very first time. Though i’m not sure if that counts, I might still just leave it as his age being 100s of millions of years until someone looks at it and thinks it needs correction because another user is debating about his age being such and he did bring proof to back up his claim so I can’t really argue over that. Plus the whole community has accepted Beerus age to be over 75 millions years since that was in the time period where he sealed Old Kai in the Z-sword and must of lived many years before that incident between him and Old Kai but I guess we can leave it as 100 of millions of years for now until someone looks into it . I’m also not sure about the information regarding Beerus resistance to toon force should be kept in his article but i’m Still leaving it there until I get feedback from another user because i’m not sure myself if it needs to be removed so i’m just leaving it for now. (Sosuagwu17 (talk) 16:54, March 18, 2019 (UTC))