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[[Category:{{{1}}}|Why can't Ultimate Gohan go ssj?]]


i remember that he didn't use it in the fight against Buu, but i don't remember anyone ever specifically saying that he couldn't. in fact, i seem to recall old kai telling him that he could just before he went back to earth! so why is it that people keep saying that GT is stupid because he goes ssj in it? i get that the powers are pretty inconsistant, but if you actually think about some of the power levels, you see that that's true for the entire series!!!!!!!!! what i think is that the old kai power up raised his base-power, therefore it was harder to access ssj. i dunno, just a thought.

You're thinking of what he told Goku...

...before he went to fuse with Gohan (Vegeta)

As for transforming into a Super Saiyan, no he can't. The Old Kai gave Gohan the ability to access the power from his Super Saiyan forms without wasting the energy to transform. Essentially he can power up to Super Saiyan 3 without wasting the energy to transform, or the strain of maintaining that form.

Super Saiyan 3 was intended to be the last transformation, and this would have been a way to maximize that power. Unfortunately DBGT, decided to add another transformation making Gohan's power up inconsistent. Thus it was no surprise when GT ignored the power up entirely.

He can go ssj.

He just won't look different it's a powerup

He can...

He can, he just chose not to....


Yes, he can.

He can, but it would make him weaker than in the ultimate form (which looks completely the same as the base form before the training). Gogeta-buusfury MarkoSeke™ (talk) (contribs) Goten-buusfury 13:10, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

no ultimate form

there is no ultimate form


ultimate gohan is not a form its gohans power unlocked so that makes it his base form

Wrong

thumb|300px|right|see super saiyan is wat he does from the startHe didnt go super saiyan because thats wat triggers the full powerup hes not transformed but he is "super saiyan"Tjakari 20:54, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

He can

Old Kai released Gohan's power. Goku stated that he was "stronger then he ever was as a Super Saiyan". Thus, his base power exceeded the power he had previously shown as a Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2, and thus at the time he had no need to go Super Saiyan. If you consider GT canon, he does later go Super Saiyan against some later enemies.

He can....

Ultimate Gohan can go ssj but when he goes super saiyan after he becomes ultimate, his eyes, hair and aura stay the same color. for more details, go to this link

this is a wiki. that article was written by fans who know no more than we do.

There would be no point

Ultimate Gohan is gohan's final transformed state, when he tried going super saiyan all he did was power up because he was already able to access his full power. He had subtle changes in appearance however that is most likely due to the extreme output of energy. So to sum this all up... Gohan in his Ultimate form was able to access all of his power, including that which would only be reachable by his ssj transformations in which case all he had to do was power up not transform to maximize his power level.

He couldn't go ssj

He couldn't go ssj in his Ultimate form because old kai gained all power of his body which wouldn't let him go ssj in this form. As we all know when Majin Buu absorbed SSJ3 Gotenks then gohan would go ssj form if he could but he could not transform because it was the limit of him and the ultimate form had the entire hidden energy of his body including his super saiyan forms.

He can't go SSJ

Ultimate Gohan can't go super saiyan and there would be no point.

Lets say your normal form power level is 1.

In SSJ your power level is 50.

In SSJ2 your power is 100.

In ultimate your power level is the full extent of your power. (meaning It could be 10000 depending on how strong your body is.)

When Gohan asks Old Kai how to use Mystic form, Old Kai tells him to "Just become a Super Saiyan, and believe." So Gohan does. You will notice that during the subsequent transformation HIS HAIR NEVER CHANGES COLOR. Therefore this IS his new version of Super Saiyan, and is the form of his utmost potential. GT is not canon.

Of course he can

He CAN transform into SSJ, SSJ2. I dont think he would get weaker if he did transform into SSJ or SSJ2, since the "ultimate" is his base form not a new transformation, nor stronger since his base form has all his strenght (include the hidden power), so transforming into SSJ or SSJ2 would change nothing, Gohan would stay as strong as on his base form. BUT SSJ, SSJ2 and SSJ3 (which I believe he could transform quite easily after he unlock his hidden power) consumes more ki than the base form, specially the SSJ3 form, so Gohan will not get stronger, but he will loses more ki after time than if he is on his base form (his ultimate state), so that's why he did not transform into any SSJ forms. Thats what I believe at least.

I dont know why he did transform into SSJ on DBGT. DB has a lot of inconsistences so I would be surprise if Akira, or whoever wrote DBGT, just forgot what the old Supreme Kai said. Although the suppose lack of training between DBZ and DBGT probably made him weaker, so he did transform into SSJs forms to get a little bit stronger. Or maybe they decide that if Gohan transforms into SSJ/SSJ2 would be better for a visual stand-point?


It's pointless. Old Kai said that even if Gohan went Super Saiyan, it wouldn't change anything except his appearence and the amount of ki he would be using. Gohan's Ultimate power is equal to a Super Saiyan 3's. Technically, he's already a Super Saiyan without transforming. All of his hidden potential is unlocked. All means all. Duh



Just watched it 10 mins ago. Even Goku tells Gohan in Other World that he will be even stronger when he turns Super Saiyan now. Just dumb*ss writing or editing it seems is why he didn't change.

He could...

Okay, look at it this way,

Say your base was 1. Ultimate unlock= 100

The super Saipan forms are multipliers, so, say SSJ= x2 Then SSJ2= x4

So if he went super saiyan while ultimate it would be:

Start- 1 Ultimate Unlock- 100 100 (ultimate) + SSJ (x2)= 200, or doubled energy while in ultimate form, then another x2 for SSJ2 Ultimate to equal x4 ultimate.

He can...

Ultimate Gohan CAN go SSJ, he just didn't want or need to. And he does go SSJ in GT.




Some people just dont think..

If he could go super saiyan to become even stronger why the hell didnt he do it when he was losing to buu with gotenks absorved?

Or why would he choose not to transform and become stronger when everyone was getting raped by hirudegarn?

No he cannot

Listen, Gohan CANNOT go SSJ while he is "ultimate". Old Kai drew out all of his power, meaning that he has all of his power in base form. There's no such thing as "he can transform but he'll be weaker" or "he can but it won't make a difference". The power of his SSJ and SSJ2, along with all the other the power that he never got a chance to unlock, was drawn out by Old Kai for him to use in his base form, as base form obviously doesn't hold the SSJ or SSJ2 power....in a way, SSJ power is like "locked power" within you, and once you "unlock it", you transform into an SSJ...afterwards, it can be "locked" and "unlocked" at will, and it can also grow in power...Gohan had this SSJ power, along with another level, SSJ2...and he also had a ton of power he still hadn't unlocked...

Now, when Gohan is in base, his SSJ and SSJ2 power is not present. Also, the power he never unlocked is also, obviously, not present. Old Kai drew out all of Gohan's power, so Gohan can use all this power while in base...he can't be SSJ anymore because his SSJ power is now a part of his full power which was drawn out by Old Kai, which he now sustains in his base form, or "Ultimate form". This also helps because he doesn't have to transform into a different form that slowly drains his ki...he has access to all of his power "naturally" in his base form (because, obviously, being in base form doesn't eat up ki, because it's his "natural" form), so he doesn't have to worry about losing ki unless he actually uses it in battle, unlike, say, Goku, who, upon becoming an SSJ3, rapidly loses ki due to the strain of the transformation.

If Gohan could go SSJ, he would've done so...those saying "he never needed it" are dead wrong...Gotenks-Buu anyone? If Gohan could get a boost similar to a Super Saiyan at that point, he'd definitely use it, but he didn't.

TrunkspointsatGokuThat guy pointed his finger and Kakarot fell down!THATGUYPOINTS!PrinceVegeta66SSJ2Vegeta vs KidBuu 00:09, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Here's my view..

Acutally, we can't gurantee that Gohan can't go SSJ while his hidden potential was released by Old Kai. We are not even sure if he could transform into a Super Saiyan because we didn't see him to do so. He fought Super Buu and thought he could beat him but the wonder starts when Super Buu absborbs SSJ3 Gotenks along with Piccolo, inspite of sensing Buu's rapidly increased ki, Gohan didn't think to transform but he knew that his energy was less than Buu's energy. Perhaps, it was a mistake of the creators or some other unknown fact but I THINK Ultimate Gohan could tranform into a Super Saiyan because according to the aspects of series it indicates that.. no matter how much powerfull a Base Saiyan is he can increase his power level so far by just transforming into Superior states just like the Super Saiyans. Mysterious Luster (talk) 05:10, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Let's think about this for a second...

If gohan was able to go SSJ in his ultimate form, do you realize how strong he would be? He was able defeat super buu with his "base" form which is stronger than or almost as strong as ssj3 goku. This is because he(gohan) is stronger than gotenks(based on their fight with super buu) whom goku said is stronger than him. Can you imagine how powerful gohan would be if he went ssj2? He might even be stronger than gogeta(vegito) if he could go ssj2. And why didn't he go ssj when he was being beaten around by super buu(with gotenks and piccolo absorbed)?

Base>SSJ>SSJ2=Ultimate(SSJ2 - energy costs of transformation)

When he was with the old kai, i think that he dramatically increased his base power and gave him the ability to go into ultimate form. With the ultimate form being an easy transformation to unlock all of his powers without going SSJ. i.e. if he had attained SSJ3 then his ultimate for would essentially give him all the power of SSJ3 without the harmful side effects. Gohan can still go SSJ and SSJ2, but there isn't much of a point. He might go SSJ 1 to conceal his full potential, but SSJ2 is pointless because it takes alot more effort to transform.

I would ignore GT because it is inconsistent with the series. In GT their powers are all over the place. Gohan never goes into ultimate form. And as I said earlier, if his ultimate form actually is his base form, then he would be infinitely stronger than everyone else in the series. He would be stronger than SSJ4 goku, but he isn't. No one ever goes SSJ2 in GT(or if they did, they never actually show the SSJ2 animations). When trunks and goku fight luud they barely use SSJ powers(even though they were almost beaten).

—Zecias


First, I would like to say that the power level doesn't matter in the series while the major aspects are to emphasise the Saiyans. As we all know that we have been wondering, witnessing the infinite power of the Saiyans that we almost share a thought that a Saiyan doesn't stop at anything if he knows to increase his power either it's Ultimate or anything else.. we don't even know if a Saiyan's Ultimate Super Saiyan form is SSJ4 because there could be a lot more. I know, it would be ridiculous if we really compare the whole Saiyan's Power theory to what the series showed us (that Saiyans can increase their power by achieving a much more powerfull states) but this the truth plus it was never said that Gohan was in a particular form or transformation named Ultimte form, it was just his Secret hidden power which was released in that form and nothing. Old Kai never said that there was a form like that. And if we consider the fight between Gohan and Super Buu and why didn't Gohan transform into a SSJ? I think, Gohan was too overconfident in his new power which led him to stay in his current state. He couldn't realise in that moment that he could transform into a SSJ or other forms because he was so busy fighting Super Buu. We all saw that Gohan did these kind of mistakes earlier while fighting with Cell and Bojan in Bojack Unbound that he forgot about what he really could do with his powers, it was Goku who always used to encourage him and make him believe in himself in order to regaining his confidence. But, Goku wasn't there when Gohan was fighting with Super Buu, may be that's why Gohan didn't go SSJ.

I won't consider GT here because that series was thought totally different in many parts which doesn't share the same informations with Z. Mysterious Luster (talk) 03:48, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Go ask Toriyama and stop babbling about!He's the only one that can answer this!

Becaus it is another form of Gohan

He can it's just his appearence doesn't change. His power and strength increase like a Super Sayians would.

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gohan doesn't need to go super saiyan anymore. he's at full power in that mystic form. When transforming you're destroying your body and becoming weaker throughout the process. But in the new form he can be alot stronger without any strain. why do you think goku made him stay in super mode during the cell games? so he can adjust to the super saiyan mode and fight with less strain. you don't need to make a theory just pay attention when they speak or read the manga99.180.200.199 15:27, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

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