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Forum Was Frieza really fighting at 1% against Goku?



After transforming from 3rd to 4th form, Frieza was shown to dominate all of the Z-Fighters. Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, and Krillin were outclassed in every way. Even Vegeta after being healed from near death was beaten until he was finally killed. Then Goku appears to fight Frieza after recovering from the battles with the Ginyu Force. Here we have Goku at 3,000,000 in his base form. With the power of Kaio-Ken x10 his power went up to 30,000,000 and he was able to fight with Frieza like no one else could. Frieza was shown to be the more powerful being without a doubt. Goku got in a few hits, but if you notice it is mostly due to Frieza’s carelessness, pride, and lack of the power sensing ability. Now before he uses 50% of his power, Frieza mentions that he was using only 1% of his power. This could either be a bluff or he was really using 1% of his strength against Goku, Vegeta, and the others when they joined in after he killed Dende. I really think that he was trying to frighten Goku, and that he was really bluffing. I will say that he was not using half of his power, but 1% is something that is truly hard to believe. In his Final Form 50% of his power=60,000,000, 25% of his power would=30,000,000. There is now need to go any lower because 30,000,000 was the same level of power that Kaio-Ken x10 Goku was fighting at. If you wanted to go down to around 15% or 10% that would mean that Frieza was at a power level of about 3,000,000=to the power of Goku’s base form. This means that Goku would be more than strong enough to kill Final Form Frieza at 1% with or without the Kaio-Ken. Even Vegeta would have been able to kill Frieza. I think that Vegeta’s power after getting healed was in the millions, but not quite as strong as a full power 3rd Form Frieza (which we never get to see if we knew the power of Gohan’s massive Masenko it would give us a better idea since it looked like 3rd Form Frieza almost used his whole strength just to deflect the blast), but better than 2nd Form Frieza. I think that his power was lower than Goku’s 3,000,000 at base form so that may put Vegeta around 2,500,000 or better. This is just my opinion based on the brief battle with Final Form Frieza. I really don’t think that his power was that much higher than Piccolo’s, it was stronger but I think that Piccolo was not lagging too far behind him. So this is why I believe that Frieza was talking big about using 1% of his power against Goku.Vegetaisthebest 20:45, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Very Possible[]

Well before frieza went up to 50%, and just before he stated that he was fighting at 1% he said that Kakarot was fighting at 5%. So if we were to do the math, then heres what it would look like Frieza: Full Power = 120,000,000 = 1% = 1,200,000 Kakarot (including 10X kaioken): full power = 30,000,000 = 5% = 1,500,000 so because Kakarot was remotely stronger than frieza, thats why he [frieza] decided to go 50% Kakarot810 09:44, January 1, 2010 (UTC)kakarot810

That makes a lot of sense. I’m just still confused over his battle with Vegeta. I really think that Vegeta was at least at 2,000,000 or greater after that power up. It was close or greater than Gohan’s power level when he fired that Masenko as 3rd form Frieza. I remember him firing that huge Galick Gun that could have destroyed the entire planet but Frieza just used on kick to deflect it. The aftershock of that blast in outer space was much bigger than the planet itself. This means that Vegeta focused a majority of his power into that blast it was even mentioned by the others that his power level had almost run out. Then you must remember that numerous barrage of energy blasts that missed Frieza in the first place. Add those in with that final Galick Gun=Vegeta must have had one seriously high power level in order to produce that many lethal blasts. I think that his level was far beyond Goku’s 1,200,000. He was fighting at a level even more refined than 2nd form Frieza who was over a million I think that his full power in that form was maybe 1,700,000. So that is why I think that some of these power levels are so hard to classify. Frieza and Goku’s fight was more destructive to the planet and battleground than the previous battles; 1st form vs. Vegeta/Krillin/Gohan, 2nd form vs. Piccolo/Gohan/Krillin/Vegeta, and 3rd form vs. Piccolo/Gohan. Vegetaisthebest 17:24, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

Maths maths maths maths[]

My mathematical opinion[]

I have proof that against goku, he was using between 25% to 50% of his power.

If goku had a base power of 3 million, then when he got super saiyan he had 150 million.

I believe that frieza had a maximum power (at 100%) of 120 million;

Seeing that,  even before kaio-ken it was not possible, or do you say 1.2 million is more than 3 million?

BUT, if you think about it, when frieza was fighting vegeta, he got the closest; he used 2.91666666667%  of his power, being around 3,5 million. 

but frieza would only be slightly stronger than his second form at 1.2 million.

You guys should know that this is only stated in Funimation's re-written dub of Dragonball. It is not something Freiza ever actually said. In the ACTUAL dialouge he is using 50% of his power as soon as he turns to his Final Form. So, according to Daizenshuu 7, he is at 60,000,000. At this same time, Goku is using a Kaio-Ken x10 to boost his BP, (Battle Power) {This is what power levels are actually called, "Power Levels" don't exist and lack logic. What the numbers represent on the scouter is similar to a magnitude reading based on how much bio-energy, "Ki", is condensed inside the user. That's why they can fluctuate and durability and strength are bolstered as it increases. It's an issue of increasing density.}, to 30,000,000. So during the first encounter Freiza is 2x stronger than Goku. That's why the 20x Kamehameha freaked Freiza out. He had to increase his BP when Goku briefly matched him to withstand the force of the wave.

25% Frieza - 30,000,000

50% Frieza - 60,000,000

70% - 84,000,000

100% - 120,000,000


Goku base level - 3,000,000

KKX10 - 30,000,000

KKX20 - 60,000,000

KKX20 Kamehameha - 80,000,000

Spirit Bomb - 96,000,000

Therefore, the maximum absolute power of Goku (pre-Super Saiyan) its 96,000,000.

Dub line...[]

No he was not. Freeza never stated the 1% line in the manga or original Japanese version of the anime. 1% would make him as strong as his 2nd form self, which he cannot suppress his power that low in his true form or else his suppression forms would be irrelevant to the point of them. Freeza created his 3 suppression forms to further suppress his power beyond what he could manage in his true form. Besides all of that, why would Freeza bother to transform into his true state to go lower than his 3rd form? Makes no sense logically. That would be like Goku going SSJ and powering down to 10,000, pointless.

Freeza was using around 3-4% of his true power when he first went into his final form, arguably the lowest he could suppress himself in final form. Then he went to 33%, then 50%, then finally 100% against SSJ Goku.

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