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[[Category:{{{1}}}|Statements which prove that Gotenks is stronger than Goku, Super Buu is far stronger than Goku and Goku is somewhat stronger than Kid Buu.]]
Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him. Piccolo: "N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own"Gotenks: “Dehhehheh! So in other words, Majin Boo’s freaked out, huh!? That’s right! My strength ain’t half-assed! I’m the best in the universe!”SSjin3 Gotenks is suggested to be levels above SSjin3 Goku and not just slightly stronger("strong like you") Context: after Gotenks is absorbed by Super Buu [speaking to Gohan].Boo: “It’s your fault. You were stronger than I, who should have been the absolute strongest…When I sensed your distant presence, I started up on this strategy…In case maybe, just maybe, there was anyone stronger than myself…Then I hit upon it: if I absorbed that ‘Super Gotenks’ squirt I was fighting at the time, then no matter what kind of guy appeared, my throne as the strongest would not be shaken…”Super Buu remembered SSjin3 Goku and even hinted that he knew that SSjin3 Goku>Fat Buu; Context: after Goku Kienzans Gotenks-BuuBoo: “…What, did you plan on coming to save everyone? You idiot…Can’t you tell that I’m in a fundamentally different dimension than the Majin Boo from back then?”SSjin3 Gotenks>Super Buu>>>SSjin3 Goku. Context: After Kid Buu is wiped out.Gohan: "Well, Piccolo?"Piccolo: "...I do believe...Boo's Chi... is gone"Gohan/Goten/Trunks: "Yes!!!" So presumably Gohan couldn't sense Kid Buu between the Kaioshin realm and Earth as opposed to SSjin3 Goku and Super Buu.That basically makes Kid Buu weaker than SSjin Gotenks (pre RoSaT), SSjin3 Goku, Gohan and Super Buu as they were all sensed between the Earth and the Kaioshin realm.
I agree mostly with what you said. I'm only against SSJ Gotenks > Kid Buu. The post you made about Gohan not being able to sense Kid Buu is more of an assumption than fact. ~Final~
~Dragon~
~Flash!!~ 03:04, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
Your posts point to the fact that Gotenks is stronger then Goku (I don't know who would think he isn't. He's a fusion) in a strong way. I must point out something though. SSJ3 Gotenks is NOT stronger then Super Buu. He is maybe equal or slightly weaker (leaning more towards equal). That's all I got to say. Other then that, everything is spot on. SuperGogeta91 03:05, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
@Final, It may be a little bit of an assumption but it doesn't take away the fact that Gohan actually had to ask Piccolo what was going on basically. I'm sure Gohan would've noticed Kid Buu's Ki vanished otherwise.
@Super, You'd be surprised how many people still think SSjin3 Goku actually rivals SSjin3 Gotenks lol. About SSjin3 Gotenks>Super Buu, If you look towards the end of their fight when Gotenks was actually serious, he gained the upperhand. I used to think they were closer to eachother but now I think Gotenks did have a fairly clear advantage. Gohan was even going to let Gotenks take on Super Buu again and he just remarked 'Okay, but be careful'. That implies to me that Gotenks would have won in round 2 as long as he didn't let his guard down (ironically).
This conversation is getting old. There is no proof, its just pointing out evidence while ignoring other evidence which is just as viable, get over it.
There is no valid evidence for SSjin3 Goku>SSjin3 Gotenks, SSjin3 Goku>Super Buu and Kid Buu>Super Buu though xD
Goku is weaker than Gotenks and Gohan. Kid Buu is far weaker than Super Buu. Fact 14:30, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
If Kid Buu=SSJ3 Goku, the whole saga is a plot hole[]
The valid evidence as it seems is that Old Kai and Kibitokai both said absorbing the Kais weakened Majin Buu (Kid Buu), meaning he is more powerful than Buff Buu, but as Super Buu's power increased drastically when he transformed into Buff Buu, that means that due to that statement Kid Buu is stronger than both Buff Buu and Super Buu. I am of the opinion that Kid Buu simply toyed with Goku, Goku never stood a chance unless he unleashed all his energy in a single attack (he could have done the same to Super Buu if he had the time) and that the correct power chain should look like this (not including Super Buu's absorbtions)
Mystic Gohan>Kid Buu>Buff Buu>Super Buu>SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku>Fat Buu>Evil Buu>Good Buu. (may not be fully correct, as Gotenks may be stronger than Super Buu, but that should be more or less how it should look)
Look at the facts, everyone agrees that Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Fact.
Old Kai says (in the anime) Kid Buu was weakened from absorbing the Kais, therefore Kid Buu>Buff Buu (Kid Buu+SSK absorbed), and therefore Kid Buu>Buff Buu>Super Buu.
^this evidence alone (there is more, if you want just search 'Kid Buu stronger than Super Buu' on youtube and there are a lot of good theories out there) is just as valid as anybody else's who claim that Super Buu is stronger than Kid Buu. Although at the same time Good Buu+Evil Buu=Fat Buu, Evil Buu absorbs Good Buu=Super Buu, Super Buu loses Good Buu=Kid Buu, none of it makes a whole lot of sense tbh the whole scenario is just ANOTHER DBZ PLOTHOLE.
Latchley 14:43, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
Kid Buu,Buff Buu,Good Buu,Fat Buu,Evil Buu are not stronger than Super Buu. And thats a fact.
Future Trunks No!!!!
19:59, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
Buff Buu is stronger than Super Buu. Squabmate 01:44, December 11, 2011 (UW
Well I do agree with you that Kid Buu is stronger, but what you said about Kid Buu toying with Goku I don't thinks it's true because first of all it's a assumption and second Kid Buu was quite stupid I don't think he would even think about holding back his power and probably wouldn't even know how to. Finally at no point did we ever see him raise his power very high going to his "max" not even when he was fighting of the spirit bomb against Goku. This is quite different than all other major evil villains where if they where toying with them they would raise their power to max by atleast the end.
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Well Goku himself said that he couldn't beat Super Buu but Gotenks was about to finish him but his fusion ran out. Gotenks> GokuFuture Trunks No!!!! 19:57, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
Obviously have no idea what you're talking about, Super Buu>Buff Buu? Consider your statement ignored.
I'm not wasting my time after this, you can decide for yourself. Buff Buu>Super Buu, Goku said that straight up. Kid Buu> Buff Buu, Old Kai said that also. Therefore, Kid Buu>Super Buu or I call plotholeLatchley 07:34, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
But they had never seen Super Buu before. Meaning that they might have said that Kid Buu was the strongest Buu. But they had only ever witnessed Majin, Ultra and Kid Buu. I am talking about the Kai's when I say they.BardockGoku (talk) 07:40, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
I just thought of this...[]
Im not sure if anyone has posted this before, but I believe that super buu is stronger than kid buu, quotes aside, for a main reason:
Kid buu has no kais absorbed, while super buu has both. and remember, inorder to become super buu, the evil buu had to overcome the good buu, which to me was literally the evil in buu overcoming the good in the kai, which is why when the buus were fighting, they were still wearing the cape of the kai.
Now that buu overcame the good in him, he now has the access to all or close to all of the power from the kais, hence stringer than his oringinal self. (even though buff buu is believed that he may be stronger than super buu, that may just be because dai kaioshin was not even a part of buu anymore, so any little bit of power that was held back while still in super buu was released.
(buff buu) > Super Buu > Kid Buu > Fat Buu > Evil Buu > good buu
I think Kid Buu is even stronger than Super Buu (without absorptions of course), Goku was getting his ass kicked bad by Kid Buu in the manga. Filler in the anime has them fighting at the same level in some scenes which ruines the fact that Kid Buu was actually a lot stronger than Goku (Goku was equal to/slightly stronger than Fat Buu)