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Forum Proper citations and sources


Hey guys how's it going? So as we discussed here, proper references and citations are one thing the wiki's heavily lacking. I recently made edits to the Saiyan and Namekian articles, removing all false information and adding citations and references (take a look at them to get an understanding). A helpful hint, if its not common knowledge and has no proper reference, delete it. Sources are incredibly important to a wiki if we are to maintain encyclopedic format. Sources can be from episodes, manga chapters, movies/specials, interviews, websites (that are reputable) and so on. A quick example could be something like - "Goku is revealed to a Saiyan" and then as a reference you could put Dragon Ball Z episode 2, "Reunions". Take a look at the Goku article, which I have just been adding references too (and I'm only in mid-Dragon Ball), we already have over 80 properly cited sources to backup the material. You have to be sure the references you are using are true, and display the material needed. If you are unsure how to reference, please see the Manual of Style. I feel this truly needs to be enforced here, and we as a community must up both use and maintain citations within articles. As I said, it helps to give reference, and dis-allows misinformation. What do you guys think?

SSJGoku93sigpic3
 talk contr 
22:56, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
i think u r absoutely right. i normally tend to delete information dat is not placed wid a reference.Majin-VegetaTheDarkPrinceReturns!1123983673 ajinVegeta 17:44, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree and I even propose the creation of a source template (if there isn't one already)to put in articles with the urgent need of credible sources. Vegeta MorningVegeta - San Talk ContribVegeta Morning

I believe that proper citations are a must, but for the time being, if there is information in which we know is accurate but we can't locate proper citation, it should not be removed. We do need to source material, much as I've been seeing on other wikis, but we should definitely not remove unsourced material. I propose that we move unsourced material to the talk page of each article until we can source it. We'd title the section "unsourced" and/or "help with sourcing" and we'd re-insert the material when it is properly cited and sourced. That way, we can avoid the dilemma of deleting crucial material. This is the method many wikis have been using and it works from my standpoint. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 23:50, July 7, 2010 (UTC)
We could also use the [citation needed] template for material we are unsure of.
SSJGoku93sigpic3
 talk contr 
00:04, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, yes. That too. That would work fine. Whilst there is conflicting information, however, we shouldn't remove it. The [citation needed] template should work fine as well. Agreed on that fully. - Zarbon by raykugen-d2ygchz PrinceZarbon talk contribZarbon ava3 00:12, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

This all sounds good to me. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 00:15, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with stuff needing to be sourced. Even though almost all the material on this wiki is correct, a lot of articles need to go back and have sources added to it. - Bulma22SuperTienchaChichi01Talk ContributionsLaunchDragonBallE

Agreed that this is something we need to work on. Another benefit to the 'citation needed' tag is that it automagically adds any page that contains it to Category:Articles with unsourced statements. That way, if we use the tag properly, anyone who has the time and desire to do some citations can just go there to easily see what pages need work. -- Nonoitall talk contr 03:27, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
I completely agree. We should check some citations to see if they are worth it or completely untrue or redundant. We overall have great info but like every wiki we need to do some cleaning up. BrolythelegendBroly 7 03:50, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I'm going to bring up a point that I had made on the other page, but I think needs to be discussed here as well. Are we, through the citations within this Wiki, assuming that this Wiki is an absolute reputable source, even though other Wiki sites (such as Wikipedia) are generally not considered trustworthy because of their status as a "community created" site? This would be the references such as the one SSJGoku93 brought up where he referenced the line, "Goku is a Saiyan" with a page on this very Wiki, instead of something outside (such as the Daizenshuu translations). I am wondering if we can always consider those in-Wiki references as absolutely factual. Dragon Ball Z GT Goku GTGohanBlueSuper Saiyan GotenGoku,Gohan,Gotendragonball-z-image-2 21:47, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

I believe the reference was to the episode, not the page. The link is there because we happen to have a page on that particular episode, but the information is being based upon the actual episode, and not the article. Referencing the episode is a direct source, which is far better than an indirect source like the guides. -- SSJ4 Goku(2) 10X.Ka.me.ha.me.ha.....talk.....contrib. 21:51, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly right 10X Kamehameha, it directly refers to the episode but has a link because we have information regarding said episode!

SSJGoku93sigpic3
 talk contr 
22:03, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I like that then. We must be careful then that all such examples are references to episodes or manga chapters and not pages. Just something we need to watch as more pages are referenced increasingly just as much as whether the reference or fact is correct in the first place. Dragon Ball Z GT Goku GTGohanBlueSuper Saiyan GotenGoku,Gohan,Gotendragonball-z-image-2 01:18, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

having manga chapters be reference instead of anime episodes

I think that any fact that was present in the manga should have the manga chapter be the reference instead of the anime episode since a manga chapter is a better source and was before the anime episode. - Bulma22SuperTienchaChichi01Talk ContributionsLaunchDragonBallE

I agree with the rest of you that we shoudl be enforcing proper references as an encyclopedia should. what SuperTiencha said was interesting in that we should use mainly manga chapters, but the anime episodes kind of help so I don't think we should eliminate them. Banan14kab 05:30, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Why not have both, if possible? :-) -- Nonoitall talk contr 04:23, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

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