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[[Category:{{{1}}}|Goku SSJ4 vs. Vegeta SSJ4]]

By the end of GT, both Goku and Vegeta had mastered the Super Saiyan 4, but Goku and Vegeta still haven't finished their fight on Earth, who do you think will win ?

Goku duh, stupid

What do you think? Goku will win, of course. He is way stronger than Vegeta!

If Goku doesn't pull off a Dragon Fist, then Vegeta may have his first win against Goku. ShenronTheDragonThatLongSinceForgottenHisName Shenron 11:50, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean his first win Goku has never beaten Vegeta

DId you forget Saiyan Saga when Goku won against Vegeta with the help of Gohan and Krillin? EntertainmentFan14 14:23, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

With the help of Gohan, Krillin, and Yajirobe, Goku also amplified his power by using Kaio-Ken. That really was the only reason why Goku won.

 KOD  Leave Me A Message  Contribs      18:08, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean "what do you mean first win"? Whether Goku has beaten Vegeta or not is irrelevant, it doesn't mean Vegeta beat Goku. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 22:53, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Vegeta nor Goku have ever beaten each other singlehandedly. That's why I said his first win. Goku and Vegeta only fought against each other twice. ShenronTheDragonThatLongSinceForgottenHisName Shenron 01:03, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Majin vegeta beat goku.And SS2 Goku and Majin vegeta were equal.

Goku was off-guard when Vegeta attacked him. ShenronTheDragonThatLongSinceForgottenHisName Shenron 02:11, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

The fact he was off-guard is irrelevant. If a boxer stops during a fight then gets knocked out, he still loses. This is the same case in the Goku vs Vegeta fight. Vegeta just had superior tactics which gave him the win -- Jaxterx

Vegeta didn't win. Goku quit the fight, and was assuming Vegeta would follow. Vegeta knocked him out after the fight, ShenronTheDragonThatLongSinceForgottenHisName Shenron 04:54, September 30, 2011 (UTC)

Goku was off guard, don't forget he could have turned ssj3 and beat the sh!t out of Vegeta.


This should be a draw...remember Goku was being beaten by Super Saiyan 2.5 vegeta, wich has a few difference with the Super Saiyan 3, in that fight he needed to be a cruel saiyan, and if he wasn't possesed by babidi he could not fight Goku because he turned a passive person, Super Saiyan 4 Goku and Vegeta has the same power, so there's a draw.

They will need a whole planet for that battle

In the final episode of Dragon Ball Z Goku was disappointed that he didn't get to have another fight with The Prince of Saiyans (Vegeta). Vegeta said that they will need a whole planet for that battle. Before I talk about what I think would happen during that battle I'll go over what occured during their two battles in Dragon Ball Z.

1. Goku vs Vegeta (Saiyan Saga) - Right off the bat Vegeta is the stronger of the two. Goku couldn't keep up with Vegeta in his normal state so he powers up to Kaio-ken and lands some hits on Vegeta but that didn't last long because Vegeta countered his Kaio-ken attack and told Goku he encountered something just like it in the past. Goku is forced to power up to Kaio-ken x3 to overpower Vegeta. Goku takes control of the fight but he is feeling the side effects of using higher forms of Kaio-ken for a long time. Vegeta is getting pissed off that he's getting his ass kicked by a lower class Saiyan so he tries to destroy the Earth using Galick Gun so Goku counters with a Kamehameha...when they clash it's even so Goku powers up yet again to Kaio-ken x4 to overpower Vegeta sending him flying. Goku's body is feeling even worse then it did before. When Vegeta returned from failing to located the Earth's moon which was destroyed by Piccolo he decides to create a Fake Moon thus transforming into a Great Ape. Unlike Goku & Gohan Vegeta has complete control over himself and is also able to speak. Vegeta gains control of the battle and wins. Yes during their 1 on 1 fight Vegeta wins. Vegeta was going to kill Goku by crushing him with his hands but Gohan, Krillen, and Yajirobe interfere resulting in Vegeta losing and forced to retreat.

2. SSJ2 Goku vs SSJ2 Majin Vegeta (Babidi Saga) - During Goku's battle with Yakon Vegeta sensed how powerful Goku really was and he realized that even though he has trained for 7 years the gap between his power and Goku's hasn't closed. This gap started during the Imperfect Cell Saga where Vegeta along with Future Trunks are the 1st to use the Hyperbolic Time Chamber once they finished their training Vegeta's power surpassed Goku's. In the Perfect Cell Saga Goku with Gohan entered the time chamber next. Goku realizes the weaknesses of the Asended Super Saiyan Forms so he decides to master the Super Saiyan Form. According to Trunks, Vegeta also knew about the weaknesses of the Asended Super Saiyan Forms which is why he didn't power up even more like Trunks did he could have but chose not to. Due to Goku having mastered the Super Saiyan Form achieving Full Power Super Saiyan the gap between their powers opens despite Vegeta training in the time chamber a second time his power didn't surpass Goku's. After the defeat of Cell both Goku & Vegeta continued to train so the gap wasn't going to be closing. That is when Vegeta decided to have Babidi reawaken the evil within his heart resulting in Vegeta becoming Majin Vegeta gaining tremendous power and he said himself to Goku "Because I wanted him (Babidi) to reawaken the evil in my heart. I wanted him to return me to the way I was...BEFORE!!! I was the perfect warrior cold and ruthless I lived by my strength alone uninhibited by foolish emotion!" The Power he gained from Babidi closed the gap between his power and Goku's. I'm going to make it very clear that Vegeta DID NOT gain Super Saiyan 2 from Babidi he did that on his own. During their battle in terms of power they were completely even however Vegeta had the upperhand the majority of time during their fight. Unknown to Vegeta however Goku was holding back his Super Saiyan 3 transformation if he had decided to power up to that form he could have won. Goku however chose not to because he didn't want to destroy Vegeta's Pride or shorten his time on Earth. Both of the things Goku wanted to prevent occured anyway. 1st was when he powered up to Super Saiyan 3 to stall Majin Buu so that Trunks could get the Dragon Radar before Buu destroyed West City which is where the Radar was being kept then when Goku demonstrated how to become a SSJ3 to Goten & Trunks his time on Earth expired. When Vegeta returned to Earth to have another chance at fighting Buu...Goku was brought back to life by Old Kai when they met up Vegeta told Goku that he traveled to Other World that he knew about Goku's technique his Super Saiyan 3 which Goku hid from Vegeta during their battle allowing Vegeta to believe that he could have won. Goku did however fight seriously as a Super Saiyan 2 and was getting his ass kicked during most of the fight.

Okay now that that is done we can get back to the main question. Who would win in a fight between Super Saiyan 4 Goku & Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta? While I despise Dragon Ball GT for so many reasons I do however like the Super Saiyan 4 transformation.

Super Saiyan 4 Goku vs Super Saiyan 4 Vegeta - This match would be a very long one since in terms of power they are evenly matched. However I believe Vegeta would win in the end because he is smarter than Goku and has better tactics. Vegeta back then his weaknesses were his arrogance and his Saiyan Pride but mostly his arrogance. Vegeta during the final episode of DBZ isn't arrogant like he used to be but I'm sure he still has some Saiyan Pride left and this is carried on to DBGT.








More nonsense debates again, GT non-canon since ssj4 is bullshit and doesn't exist right??? so, default debate should of never began period and Goku would destroy vegeta in a fight even if hes SSJ4 and vegeta is... doesn't matter, goku can kaioken that if he needed and still WRECK vegeta if any kind of problem occured the same way he beat him thr first time because he has better techniques mastered than vegeta, its as simple as cheese... nonsensical debates.

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