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Which is the most strongest fusion method?
Gogeta and Vegito are the most strongest characters in the entire dragonball series
So who is the most strongest?, and which one do you think will win?
Just so you know YOU PEOPLE CAN'T SPELL!!! (Vegito is better though) :)
Vegito is much faster than Gogeta and defeated the Buu's. Isn't that proof enough? Yeah Gogeta defeated Jameba but he is definatly not stronger than the Buu's.
LETS SOLVE THIS ONCE AND FOR ALL
Argument #1 - Vegito is canon. So what? That is irrelevant seeing as the question is who would be stronger or prevail in battle, not who is an actual character created by the original mangaka. But besides that, I would argue that Gogeta is also canon because canon means part of the actual DB/Z/GT universe, not fanon or made up by fans. Gogeta was not made up by fans so he is still technically canon.
Argument #2 - Old Kai said Potara earrings were more effective. Again, that statement proves nothing. In fact, it most likely means that the Potara earrings are more effective in terms of duration because it was supposedly permanent as opposed to the Fusion dance which lasts for 30 minutes maximum. That does not in any way equate to Vegito being stronger than Gogeta.
Argument #3 - Still, Vegito's fusion would last longer, therefore he wins. This is true enough; however it's the easy answer. Forget time limits: who would win in an all out battle in a perfect universe where time was not a factor? That is the real question here, and the more fun one to answer. Continuing...
Argument #4 - Gogeta can become a SSJ4. Yeah, but if Vegeta and Goku had fused using the Potara earrings instead of the Fusion dance in GT Vegito would have been SSJ4 too. Yes SSJ4 Gogeta would kill SSJ Vegito, but in reality that's not a good matchup. The right match up would be with them both at the same level of SSJ.
Argument #5 - Vegito could still beat Gogeta even if Gogeta was SSJ4 and Vegito was not. Uh, you stupid. Either that or extremely stubborn. SSJ4 is the strongest (that we know of) form. SSJ2 beats SSJ, SSJ3 beats SSJ2, and SSJ4 beats the pants off of SSJ3, therefore its obvious that SSJ4 >>>> SSJ. No matter what being is in which state. The higher SSJ wins.
My conclusion: After disregarding all of the above disputes, Gogeta and Vegito are essentially equal in terms of power because both fusions use the base forms of Goku and Vegeta. Two ingredients of the same quanity and mixed together produces the same product. Yes the method is different, but the outcome is the same - a fused, single being with individual personality and strength composed of equal amounts of two seperate beings.
Gogeta, Because he can go SS4 and murder Vegito. jeenking=Ninja in the Shadows 00:17, April 7, 2011 (UTC)
I think Vegito wins because timeout for gogeta after 30 mins ;) Vegito>Gogeta dont get me wrong both are badass BUT Elder Kai does state that potara fusion is stronger and Goku doesnt have to power down for the fusion to work. Plus Infinite fusion> 30 min fusion.
both fusion methods are strong in terms of the character they create but also have their disadvantages. fusion wears off after 30 mins (10 mins in an ss4's case) whereas potara keeps the fuse's toghether permanantly. but in terms of fighting, the advantage wud go to vegito due to gogeta difusing aftert 30 mins.TheDarkPrinceReturns! 20:12, August 23, 2010 (UTC) goku is in more control of gogeta so he would win because goku his stronger and he could just use big bang kamahamaha twice and kill him
Don't forget the potara earrings fusion is stronger than fusion dance as Elder Kai said. But Gogeta has SSJ4 while Vegito does not. Although theoretically if Goku and Vegeta does the potara fusion at the eng of GT Vegito should be able to go SSJ4 too. 18.104.22.168 10:02, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
Err... it's stated that the Potara are better than the Fusion Dance, and that Goku and Vegeta get a boost while using the Potara due to them being rivals. This really is a no-contest here. I'd say SSJ Gogeta might be able to put up a fight against Base Vegetto if he's lucky. Kaonohiokala 12:57 AM HST, 27 September 2010
Vegito wins for sure because:
1. Gogeta fusion lasts only 30 mins and then would Vegito kick-assed gogeta
2. Elder Kai said that the potara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance
3. they could both go ssj4 technically(sorry if I wrote it wrong) but then again vegito would win
Your all wrong gogeta is better then vegito because look at the battle of buu and vegito vegito is being easyily punished but he manages to beat buu but look at gogeta and janemba gogeta beat janemba in a few shots and if they clash vegito will win by default because fusion dance is only 30 mins dumb ass
did u even watch the fight with vegito and buu vegito was toying with him
well if it was a fight of 2012, gogeta would win cause there's no more potara earrings. And the guy who said that vegito vs gogeta and vegito in ssj3, it hasn't been shown that he can turn ssj3 cause they could only fusion once. Overall seems like gogeta is stronger cause he can actually fuze whenever he wants whereas vegito... no existent as of today so gg guys noob
To the guy who posted this above me for one you can use any 2 pairs of potara earrings to fuse so just use old kai or kibito kai's pair and he can be fused again and plus since the supreme kai/kibito kai said the potara earring made a better fusion than the fusion dance so if vegeta and goku fuzed with the potara earrings while in ss4 or powered up to it after they fuzed vegito would be a ss4 and since the potara fusion is said to better than the fusion dance a fight between gogeta ss4 and vegito ss4 would result in vegito winning and for one just because the ss4 vegito wasn't shown dosent mean that he can't become a ss4 if goku and vegeta fuze while in ss4 or power up to it while hes fuzed already so your the noob because i've seen the entire DBZ series one season of GT and played most of their games.
Vegito will win, the old kai said it himself "What's more, two rivals have joined together" This implies that any two rivals gain a boost from Potara Fusion.
who is stronger Gogeta or Vegito
gogeta would win because if they went gogeta to beat janemba and not vegito janemba would be faster and stronger than vegito they went vegito to beat super buu (gohan taken in) if they had went gogeta then they could have killed him in the blink of an eye because goku has control over gogeta and vegeta has control over vegito thats y i think gogeta would win
(above)!!!!!!!! vegito didnt kill ultimate buu because he wanted to get the others out lol what a noob your not a fan
Vegito for a number of reasons,
firstly, he is canon, which means he is better :P
secondly, potara is stronger,
Vegito needs a tail, he can't turn ssj4 unless he grows one. Gogeta has a tail, so epic fail for all of you guys.
Old Kai just said potaras better because all you have to do is put on the earring. Don't say that stuff about potara being better than fusion dance.
plus, if we allow Gogeta the luxury of ssj4, then we should probably bear in mind that vegitto was more than likely able to go ssj3, (we dont know this, but logic suggests he could, Goku cool, and Vegito is far more powerful obviously), if this was the case, then due to potara being stronger then vegitto could easily last the 10 minutes that the fusion lasts when in ssj4, if we take the 2 both using ssj2, then even ignoring the time limit vegitto would win, potara is stronger, and vegitto is canon, gogeta is not, which means an automatic for vegitto, (pluss he is far more badass anyways)
Your all using biased opinions. Gogeta isnt canon so canon beats non canon so its better? Opinion. 1st Gogeta is just as canon as Vegito is. We seen Gogeta in GT and in the movie(doesnt really count in the movie because its non canon) we seen him in GT and we all know GT is a DB series therefore its part of the DB series and is canon to it. Also Gogeta went SSJ4 Vegito never did means automatic win. Regardless of time limit he goes SSJ4 then 100x Big Bang Kamehame ha then boom hes dead.Lssj4 12:47, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
- you fail, when you say gogeta has a tail and vegeto doesn't.
gogeta has a tail because goku and vegeta get a tail when they transform to ssj4. If they transform to ssj4 before using potara, vegeto would be ssj4 + have a tail automaticly.
Vegito has yet to achieve SSJ3 and 4 because Vegito wasn't fully devoloped unlike Gogeta now if vegito was on the same level as ssj4 gogeta meaning that they're both SSJ4 Vegito would win no contest gogeta ssj vs vegito ssj Vegito would win but SSJ Vegito vs SSJ4 Gogeta Gogeta wins see my point - CNEP's
vegito is the man
Along with all the points made above, this very wikia states that Vegito is the strongest character in dragon ball z, and I think that counts the movies. Vegito easily overpowerred Super Buu Gohan absorbed, who a lot of people say is the strongest buu form, he has the power of ultimate gohan, piccolo a super namek who is stronger than goten and trunks combined together ( not fusion), goten, trunks, and his own power. That's a lot of power and Vegito easily pounded on him in his base form. He only went Super Saiyan to put psychological pressure on Super Buu that there is no way for him to beat Vegito and therefore, he would absorb him. Even though it may not be a more factual source, in the budokai series Vegito was the second strongest character with 144% and I think ssj4 gogeta was 188%, while gogeta was lower than that.
They are equal
"So who is the strongest?"
neither. they are equal.
There is no proof of which way is a bigger boost or a stronger way. There is NO PROOF so dont give me all that "potara is stronger" stuff. but the advantage goes to vegito because gogeta times out after 30 mins. also dont say "well yea but gogeta can turn ssj4", no he cant. The only way he can is if he uses bulmas machine which makes him grow a tail. If vegito used it the same result would happen. and that gives vegito a bigger advantage- ssj4 gogeta times out in 10-15 mins. the only reason why vegito would win is because gogeta times out. no one is stronger or faster or in other words, that stats are the same.
"Don't forget the potara earrings fusion is stronger than fusion dance as Elder Kai said. "
where? oh thats right. not once did he ever say this in the manga.
elder kai: potaras effect is greater than fusion.
"Goku and Vegeta get a boost while using the Potara due to them being rivals."
for all we know that boost only brings vegetto up to gogetas level. and gogeta should recieve it too.
nowhere does it say he does.
"I'd say SSJ Gogeta might be able to put up a fight against Base Vegetto if he's lucky"
you mean since hes 50 times stronger than base vegetto, he murders him in seconds like he did to janemba?
"Elder Kai said that the potara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance. "
He didnt. He said he barely even knows what the dance is so what makes him so sure its better?
"Vegito needs a tail, he can't turn ssj4 unless he grows one."
All he needs is Bulma's machine.
" Piccolo a super Namek who is stronger than Goten and Trunks combined together. "
Just Goten alone is enough to murder Piccolo lol.
"Elder kai's method of fusion gives a bigger power boost than the fusion dance."
No it doesnt!
You can't be comparing SSJ4 Gogeta to SSJ Vegito. That's totally unfair; Gogeta obviously takes it in that case. The terms of the fight should have them both in the same SSJ state, since Vegito could conceivably turn SSJ4 as well if he grew his tail back. That said, I'd still give the advantage to Gogeta, cause Gogeta is a far cooler name than Vegito. Just saiyan.... ;)
Actually, I believe that the Daizenshuu states that Vegitto is stronger than ssj4 Gogeta. Also, no in-show comparison can be made about their power as Buu never defeated Vegito in battle, he only tricked him. After that the fusion was gone forever. Vegito's fusion lasts forever, but Gogeta would would only have enough power to fight for 30 minutes. Plus, if Vegito had the blutz wave generator, he could go ssj4 too, thus taking away Gogeta's advantage. Vegito wins all out.
Vegetto cannot defeat SSJ4 Gogeta and the daiz said nothing like that
Regardless of time in said forms of equal level you would have to go with power output. Who can do the most damage in the least amount of time and factor in how much each should be able to handle given thier stats, based on who they have beaten. Jenamba beats Kid Buu. Gogeta beats Jenamba. In conclusion Vegito lasts longer but toys too much, and Gogeta doesn't mess around as he knows time is of the essence. Take em out when you have the chance. Go go Gogeta!
Gogeta downs Vegito
Vegito during the fight against Buu kinda of doesn't take it seriously. Yes, he is trying to save the others but he messes with Buu too much. In Fusion Reborn Gogeta is in it maybe for 2 minutes before he obliterates Janemba.
doesnt matter. vegett is stated as greater in power.
They probably have the same power but the Stardust Breaker or whatever you want to call it is awesome. I'm also not counting DBGT SS4 Gogeta because GT seemed a little dumb.
so you admit your biased because you dont like gt, and have no real cold hard facts.
The other big reason is Janemba is stronger than Buu as stated by Goku "This guy's even stronger than Majin Buu!" and that was before Janemba turned into super Janemba so you'd think Gogeta is stronger than Vegito.
janemba is weaker than buu with gohan absorbed. and gogeta is stated as inferior to vegetto by elder kai. plus by your logic, i can say fusion reborn doesnt count cos i thought it was dumb.
Janemba2 01:30, May 18, 2011 (UTC) Janemba2
SSJ4 Gogeta and SSJ2 or 1 (we really don't know which level he got to in the manga or anime) Vegito are of the level of power. If Vegito fought SSJ1 or 2 (same with Gogeta we don't know what level of SSJ he got to in the movie) Gogeta, Vegito would win. (no matter what game you play and if Gogeta wins Gogeta isn't stronger then Base Vegito) SSJ4 Gogeta would win if Vegito was in his Base form.
vegito could cut off gogeta`s tail with sword beam causing him to lose ssj4 and gogeta then will timeout so vegito would winUltimatexx 04:17, November 5, 2011 (UTC)ultimatex
Vegetto would probably win, but...
There's no way Gogeta is stronger than Vegetto, at the very least they are equal in power. With that said, there's no way Gogeta would be able to beat Vegetto before his fusion runs out of time.
But if Gogeta's fusion was able to last as long as Vegetto I think the fight could go either way. The Elder Kai said that the earrings were "better" fusion, that doesn't necessarily mean "stronger" fusion. Better meaning no time limit, no having to level out eachother's power levels until they were equal, and no tedious dance (BTW, don't say Gogeta would win because he went SS4. They are both fusions of Goku and Vegeta. If Vegetto was made in GT he would be able to turn SS4 too...) Tokeupdude 09:39, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
Well I like Vegito more because he was more entertaining and badass. Ultimately there is no way of telling but judging from the evidence mentioned above it seems Vegitto would win.
Oh and to the guy who said just Goten alone is enough to beat piccolo you are completely wrong. Piccolo manged to hold up a fight against android 17, which newly transformed SSJ1 Vegeta couldn't have handled. Piccolo also trained for a year in the hyperbolic time chamber as well. Piccolo RULES!
he isnt wrong. goten alone would annhilate 17 AND piccolo at the same time. he was holding his own against his mssj brother before the tournament. and from then on he only got much stronger.
You forget Gohan was weaker before the tournament than he was when he fought cell and gohan could have been holding back.
vegito definelly will beat gogeta as vegito went aganist super buu with gotenks and piccolo and ulimate gohan and super buu which was five people and his body which mad vegito alot stronger then him then as gogeta went aganist super janemba was weak
Gotenks diffused inside of buu before gohan was absorbed.
um janemba isnt weak.
end of story vegito will win
Nah isnt true goten was TRAINING with gohan not proper fighting.piccolo could probably beat goten. After a huge fight
piccolo doesnt have a chance. training or not, goten kept up with his brother and gave him trouble. gohan would beat his old master pretty easily, without breaking a sweat.
everyone. listen. these discussions need to stop. i dont care who you like more or less alright? vegito is better and ill tell you why. he is permanent. therefor, gogeta would only have 30 minutes to beat him. this is impossible because they have equal power levels. also, if gogeta upgraded to ssj2 or 3 or 4, he would lessen the time that he could stay in the fusion. now they are both made of the same people, therefor they can both go to ssj4. just because it was never shown, if there was a vegito in gt then he would have been ssj4 just like gogeta.
so please, stop. the potara earings were said to be better because they were faster and permanent. they did not give a power boost or anything so shut up.
yes they do. read the manga. old kai said potaras effect is greater than fusion.
the two characters have equal power levels because they are the same people, alright? the only difference is that one is forever, one is not. that is why vegito wins. end of discussion.
All this Goten vs Piccolo nonsense.
Piccolo wins easily. Yo! Son Goku and his Friends Return states that Goten and Trunks are about as strong as Frieza (final or 100% is up for debate).
they won that fight in base form, to say nothing of their ssj form which would rapestomp semi perfect cell.
This movie is canon as well (mainly because it has a manga adaption and there aren't really any huge plot holes that can't be explained away with logic)
no its not canon. akira toriyama didnt write it.
God damn you are stupid, just because Toriyama didn't write it doesn't mean it isn't canon. I'm not saying this specific movie is canon, but something like GT is canon. Toriyama oversaw the creation, plot, script. He did all but write it. Plus it is the most consistent out of the three series. You have no evidence to suggest otherwise.
, so with Piccolo being on the level of #17, he wins quite easily
except no hes not on the level of 17, and the kids still can beat 17 with one casual blast as seen when they fought 18.
As usual, you haven't given any evidence for this argument, like you usually don't. How do you know Piccolo isn't at 17's level? Well actually he is, and you are wrong. Also, they wouldn't have beat 18 with "one casual blast". That was never stated anywhere, what she did say was it the blast would have destroyed the stadium so stop making shit up. Furthermore, 18 is at a lower level than 17, so even if they were at 18's level which they took 2 people to become, they were not at 17's level. The person who wrote the previous comment is right that piccolo>goten. Goten and Trunks combined was a bit stronger then 18. I don't know about 17 but I say they are around equal. Piccolo (post kami fusion) was equal to 17 but could destory him with Light Grenade if he had aimed it at him instead of Cell After Cell became perfect Piccolo trained in the time chamber and became far stronger then all the andriods except Cell. Therefore,Goten would get beat by piccolo even as a Super Saiyan. The only way Goten could win is as Gotenks or ssj2.
. --DARK 23:55, August 1, 2011 (UTC)
Vegito and gogeta will fuse to equal gogito and then go to bulma for a time machine, travel back to the past 10 minutes and beat vegito and gogeta .... Wait if gogeta defused while he was potara fused with vegito what would happen . ? Vegovegito . ?
But in real speak . They are exactly equal . Its the same damn people .
no they arent. old kai said potaras effect is greater than fusion. ergo stronger
What does that even mean, "Old Kai said Potaras effect is greater than fusion"? I want the exact quote verbatim. For all we know, that could mean the Potara earrings last longer than the Fusion dance, which is obvious because the former is permanent and the latter is 30 minutes or less. So no, 'greater effect' does not equate to stronger. The idea that Vegito could somehow have 'fused better' than Gogeta is ludicrious; they both have the same two people fused together. So that means Potaras must be more effective in terms of DURATION. Which is all well and good. Vegito beats Gogeta simply because of that. But barring time limits, it would go on forever because they are EXACTLY THE SAME.
Only reason why vegito might be better is because it doesnt take as much time equaling the power out and shit like that.
I must state this...lol...
First... saying to the last comment....if that was an episode then it would suck and it would be confusing...just saying. But Vegito would win mostly because of Gogeta's time limit. Not only that but Vegito has Blutz Wave and could turn SSJ4 also if Gogeta did. Gogeta would be making a fool of himslef if he tried to beat Vegito. They even said in the show. The narrator said at the end of one of the episodes about Vegito, "...the greatest Saiyan to ever live." I do my reasearch people. And I know I'm GAY. ;P I_Am_The_Prince_of_All_Saiyans! 23:52, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
Your research is quite bad and highly opinionated. For one, you start off by insulting another post that has nothing to do with your argument at all. Secondly, we're pretty much not including the time limit here because that's not a true test of strength; that's wait half an hour for him to defuse. You state the obvious by saying they could both go SSJ4 as well. Lastly, it doesn't matter what they said in the show; the movies and anime generally don't coincide.
so it should matter whats said in the manga right? and therefore vegetto wins.
They're both formed from the same people, so explain to me how one would be able to trump the other? Oh, and don't use Old Kai's crap line about the Potara being "better". He said it was better because it was permanent and it wouldn't time out like the fusion dance.
i get the feeling you didnt read the manga. he said the "effect of potara is greater than with fusion". plus vegetto gets stronger because goku and vegeta are rivals. the dance lacks such a boost
--DARK 00:40, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah that was one of the stupidest arguments ever. I agree with DARK. Shakuran13 01:38, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- FAIL! That's not his username :P 01:40, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
- Yee i know, it's 10reapaer10 or something similar to that. But he signs his stuff DARK.
you cant remove the time limit. its part of the fusion dance, therefor it is part of the equation here. veigto wins because of it. they are both equal in absolutely ever way, except that vegito is permanent. victory goes to vegito after the time limit (which shortens when ssj lavel goes up) is up. thats just the plain old facts. nothing more, nothing less. so um, shut up?
Yeah, but that's not a contest of strength. If you wanted to do that, you could have Hercule fight Gogeta, and Hercule could just hide until Gogeta ceases to exist. That doesn't mean Hercule's stronger or a better fighter. Shakuran13 01:41, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. It's one thing to say characters can't use any of their powers when they fight X character when X character can do anything they want, but it's totally different when you take off something that would make the character unable to compete. The time limit is totally unfair to count in the fight, simply because Vegito wouldn't be beating him by strength, skill, or intelligence; he'd beat him because he ran out of time. That would make the entire fight meaningless. --DARK 02:16, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
As far as strength I believe they are the same. If all rules of these fusions apply Vegito wins. If you take away the time limit they would just exhaust each other. The Legendary SSJ4 Vegito 02:32, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
Dudes your missing my point here and you didnt read the whole post did you?
Dudes. That was just me stating something about whatever Old Kai said. I really dont give a crap about Old Kai.
you should. hes a valuable source of info. What Im getting at here is that Vegito has proven himself stronger than anyone. And by the way, Vegito wouldnt be the one to run and hide while Gogeta's fusion wore off! First, Vegito has Goku in him which mean Vegito would want the fight to last and he would want to make the most out of the fight. Second, Gogeta is TOO playful!!!
wrong. in movie 12, gogeta killed janemba IMMEDIATELY, plus vegetto isnt serious either. he played around and got caught off guard by the candy beam.
I guess you are right about the seriousness
He would be wasting his times making jokes and smart (yet pointless) comments while Vegito would be shoving those words down his throat and beat the crap out of him. Vegito's serious, Gogeta's not.
Super Saiyan Gogeta is much more serious than Super Saiyan Vegito. What makes you think Super Saiyan 4 is different? Also, Vegito and Gogeta are playful only to enemies that are much weaker than them. Shakuran13 01:55, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
IMO the only reason Gogeta killed Janemba so fast is to finish off the movie to fit into a 1 hour time slot. SSJ4 Vegito Is A Secret Spy 14:27, September 25, 2011 (UTC)
If both are ssj4, then Gogeta would only last 5 minutes;
so if we go by that then Vegitto wins.
But otherwise, they're equal anyway, because, no matter how you add it; a+b or b+a; they're the same.
So by the second criteria, then no one wins.
Trunten 3900 01:49, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
A lot of people also forget that chronologically speaking, Gogeta happens after Buu, therefore Old fart...i mean Kai was talking about the fusion of Gotenks. he saw the flaws of the fusion dance, and based his opinion off of that. had he seen Gogeta (which is impossible due to timeline) he would said either one is fine. And the only thing he said is the "EFFECT (EFFECT meaning Efficiency) of the Potara is better the the Fusion." Simply because its permanent and its faster. no where does he say its stronger or that it gives him a "Boost in Strength." Btw for the people saying Vegetto would beat SSJ4 Gogeta, you have no clue about the DB/Z/GT universe and your just fanboys. SSJ4 Goku alone is stronger then Super Vegetto, how do you expect Super Vegetto to beat SSJ4 Gogeta? weird people here, let me tell ya. SuperGogeta91 03:37, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
One more thing. SSJ4 Gogeta was only joking around so he could get Omega to use the Negative Karma Ball and turn it positive to return Earth back to normal. After that you can see him quickly try to destroy Omega, but his fusion runs out. Same with vegetto. toying around with Buu cuz he was trying to find a way to save his friends. He could've destroyed him in minutes, but he would destroy his friends too, so that's a no no. C'mon guys, its a DB/Z/GT Wiki, use the resources you're given. SuperGogeta91 03:37, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
They are both exactly the same in power, speed and everything else. But in a fight Vegito would win because there is no time limit.
if Gogeta goes SS4 he would win but he has to beat him within 30 mins if not Vegito would win
1. Time limit at SSJ4 is 10 minutes.
2. We already discussed this 1000000 times.
3. Can't tell if trolling or just stupid.
4. What is with the post title?
Gogeta V Vegito
Gogeta despite only lasting 30 minutes could still take out Vegito because Gogeta is more likr Goku while Vegito is more like Vegeta.
Says who? Shakuran13 15:51, September 23, 2011 (UTC)
Vegito would just keep spuring on Gogeta and toying with him and so his arrogance would be his undoing.
Not only that but Stardust Breaker would tear apart Vegito's soul and kill him while Final Kamehameha would mabey just injure Gogeta at the best.
it is not said Gogeta is more like Goku and Vegito is more like Vegeta but if you concentrat on the persinalities you can tell
So, it's speculation and means nothing. Shakuran13 21:06, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
first off vegito and gogeta are fused by the same people so its impossible to fight them! but hypotheticly if it was vegito ssj1 and gogeta ssj1 vegito would win because the fact that the movies have no actual effect on the time line on several games wiht limits vegito is the highest or in the top five usually having the gt charecters a little higher as omega was a match for both goku and vegeta (unfused). now if it was ssj4 gogeta then vegito ssj1 then ofcourse he would win he is said to be the ultimate (known) charecter. but if gogeta could go ssj4 it is very possible for vegito to turn ssj4 leaving that battle to vegito due to gogetas 10 minute timeline. now another thing is that portaras were never said to be stronger then fusion dance. also in the game that ranks or has limits super janemba is lower then super buu gotenks absorbed vegito was playing with the gohan absorbed. now it depends also when the time of the fight was during the majin buu saga? baby saga, super 17, ect, ect. as if its majin buu saga then that leaves vegito winning due to ssj1 vs ssj1. also for all you people saying that vegito is more like vegeta and gogeta more like goku or as someone said up there controled by them well im here to tell you they are equally shared thats why its fusion! and there are infinate outcomes of this battle say gogeta could have finished with a stardust breaker and vegito dodged it then beam sword slashed him or gogetas stardust did hit him you can really have no winner to an equal battle. now in the video games vegito is made out to be stronger as in budokai tenkaichi 3 i think when you go to the battle of vegito vs super buu krillen says something like "this is where goku and vegeta fused into the Ultimate fusion warrior vegito!" but also when you do janemba saga he says around the lines of "goku and vegeta fusion nothing can stop them!" explaining that neither would win unless something happened as i explained above.
stop saying potara fusion or the fusion dance is stronger. there is no proof of whom is stronger, however vegito would win because gogeta can only last 30 mins (less if ssj4).22.214.171.124 00:10, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
ok first off you guys are a bunch of noobs. To start off gogeta can't just turn super sayian 4 unless both goku and vegeta start off in ss4 that's the only way gogeta can become super sayian 4. As far as which fusion is stronger potara or dance neither is, they are both equal. Potara is quicker to do since they only have to put earrings on, no dance required, that's why potara's better because in the heat of a battle an opponent wont give them time to perform the fusion dance whereas potara u just slipp om the earrings. In terms of whos stronger they are both equal the only difference is personalities where goku has more control over gogeta and vegita has more control over vegito.
nowhere does it ever establish goku or vegeta have more control over fusions when fusions birth an entirely new being
The battle can go either way
- 1) Call everyone noob 2) Make completely nonsensical/obviously wrong statement. Interesting strategy....Janemba4eva 22:40, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
"To start off gogeta can't just turn super sayian 4 unless both goku and vegeta start off in ss4 that's the only way gogeta can become super sayian 4." What possible logic is there in this? Gogeta was formed by the fusion dance, and in case you've forgotten, Gotenks, who was also formed by the fusion dance, was able to reach Super Saiyan just like Goten and Trunks, and even SURPASSED THEM by reaching Super Saiyan 3. So if Goku and Vegeta fused while having the ability to reach SS4, I HIGHLY doubt that Gogeta would be unable to. It's simple logic. JordanTH 03:26, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
elder kai meant tha the potarra fusion is permanent
Lol at Mr. "Clearfication" calling everyone on the Dragon Ball Wiki a noob. He has much to learn...Shakuran13 22:24, October 7, 2011 (UTC)
gogeta is stronger because goku is the one who almost always beets everyone and since goku has more control gogeta would win
Note: I did not make this. It is just a plain theory.
given the information we have, vegito must be more powerful than gogeta. here is why.
a. goten and trunks were close in power to gohan, and ssj gotenks (pre) was nearly equal to ssj3 goku.
no they werent and no it isnt. gohan blows the kids out of the water in ssj1.
b. gotenks (post) was even with super buu as an ssj3. and was at least as powerful in base as he was as an ssj prerosat. there are many different ways to interpret the power of fusion and of the transformations, but the most reasonable, imo, put goten and trunks (post) even with goku.
c. if goten and trunks (post) are even with goku, that means that gogeta is even or a little weaker than gotenks.
no it doesnt becase post goten and post trunks stand absolutely no chance vs ssj3 goku.
d. vegito was more powerful as ssj than buuhan, who was more than twice as powerful, but less than 3x ssj3 gotenks. putting ssj vegito at a minimum of 3x ssj3 gogeta.
even without the potara's rival boost, which i put at 2x for convenience, vegito is 1.5x(ssj3 multiplier, i use 4x) as powerful as gogeta, or 6x, in this example. there is really no comparison between gogeta and vegito, except that they come from the same 2 people. but if you take the same ingredients, and you cook them a different way, you do not get the same dish.
Yeah I can see. The first one with Goten and Trunks being even with Goku and Vegeta. I didn't find it possible that they got that close to them. The one most impossible to believe was SSJ3 Gogeta being weaker than SSJ Vegito. TheDragonThatHasLongSinceForgottenHisName 21:27, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
They are the same
Neither is stronger than the other. In a fight Vegito would win only because of his unlimited fusion time. Unless there were some really unlucky things that might happen going Gogeta's way. So yes same power in the fusion but Vegito would win in a fight.BardockGoku 21:37, October 20, 2011 (UTC)
LOL SSJ Vegito is stronger then SSJ3 Gogeta? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Sounds like someone on Youtube said a while back. NinjaMasterBro was his Youtube name, I believe. He says a lot of nonsense. He once commented to me, saying Mystic Gohan is stronger then SSJ3 Gogeta. I can post a link to the Youtube video, where he posted it too, if you guys want.
Like a lot of people said...They are equal. No one would defeat the other, unless Gogetas time limit runs out. That's the ONLY way Vegetto would win this fight!SuperGogeta91 01:05, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
even then gogeta wins because goku and vegeta are full power whereas vegetto is nearly all out of power due to fighting gogeta for 30 minutes straight. goku and vegeta> near death vegetto
Gogeta would win
Gogeta is a hell of lot faster being able to punch faster than we can see.He also has the stardust breaker which disitigrated Janemba. Also if you ever play the dragon ball z games you will notice he is alot faster and stronger. vegito has to last for ever and goku and vegeta can transform into gogeta when ever they want. Also Vegito has to wear silly ear rings :)
126.96.36.199 01:23, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
That in terms of power they're equal. The old Kai said that Potara fusion was better than the fusion dance, he didn't say it was stronger. I think the fight would last until Gogeta unfused, making Vegito the winner. Tokeupdude 01:39, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
hes right gogeta was auotimaticly ssj he could be ssj3 if gotenks could
the winner is
gogeta removes one of vegitos potara earings with his wittyness... gogeta wins
kibito kai took his potara off and he didnt defuse just letting you know
but you do know that if the poatara earings are off there still vegito.I mean what happened to old kai and then he took his earings offSs4 Vegeto 21:01, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
I seem to recall that the Potara fusion is stronger when the people involved are very different in personality. "As explained by Elder Kai, this can be attributed to Goku and Vegeta's rivalry making their fusion more complete, giving Vegito even more power than expected."
Elder Kai didnt say that.
Goku and Vegeta, almost exact opposites. Result, very very very very very very strong character. The dance has no such effect.
Vegito wins. "I may be just a pothole in the road to you big guy, but it's going to be one hell of a deep pothole." - Tien 13:47, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
- Well, he said the they're rivalry made the fusion stronger. That could work for the fusion dance, too. The Elder Kai never actually said it was an exclusive potara trait. Vegetto would still win, though. There's no way Gogeta is a stronger fusion, so Gogeta would defuse eventually. Tokeupdude 15:58, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
- but Gogeta IS a stronger fusion. gogeta in movie 12 have stronger base fuses than Vegito did.
- But I doubt the dance also owns this trait, since anyone with a similar body type and power could do it. But with Potara, it could be an added bonus that your hatred makes the result stronger. "I may be just a pothole in the road to you big guy, but it's going to be one hell of a deep pothole." - Tien 16:02, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
Gogeta vs Vegito
I think that personally Vegito and Gogeta are both kickass fighters but Vegeto will definatly kick gogeta's ass.
the reason being because-
1.when Goku and Vegeta fuse it will only last for 30 minuts.
2.as Goku says if the fuse takes enough damage then the fuse ends.
3.because Vegito is fused with potara he gets a small boost in his power and he can stay permanetly fused.
so thats my opinion. 19:53, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
Neither would when because they both are they same just a different fusion method and you can't say gogeta because he ssj4 because in fusion reborn he was not once they both got tails and stronger they could do gogeta ssj4 but if they were to do the earings then vegito would be ssj4 also
gogeta wins because he can 1 hit KO the opponent, vegito cannot do that 1 hit KO also vegito cannot transform into ssj4 because he already was fused together as 2 super saiyans 2, if that vegito transforms to ssj4 it would add power but not like if vegeta and goku being on ssj4 would fused with potara, the power level is not the same as gogeta ssj4
I really doubt that the power differences between the two fusions are big enough (if it even exists, which I doubt) to really determinates some one them "stronger". Gogeta (SSJ) seen stronger than Vegito (SSJ) based on their fights, but numerous comments put Vegito on advantage, although the word "stronger" was never mentioned.
So I think they are both equals, or almost. Therefore the fight will last until Gogeta defuses, which will not make Vegito the winner since no one actually loses, so.. draw!
And btw, why people keep using their personalities as an argument? Gogeta on the movie was deadly serious, killing Janemba in less than 1 minute. Gogeta on DBGT was playful, like Vegito on DBZ. So I think their personalities are the same, since they are a combination of the same two characters' personalities, they can variate depending on the situation though, just like anyone' personalities.
Vegito would be stronger because to fuse into Gogeta, Goku's and Vegeta's power levels would have to be equal. And since Goku is stronger than Vegeta, then Gogeta would be missing some of Goku's power. While Vegito gains all the power of both Goku and Vegeta. Ssj2gohan 21:16, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
Although gogeta does have powerful attacks shown against janemba which altogether was a 35 second fight vegetto was not trying against buu so he could save his friends. The only way to ultimately decide who's factually stronger at all is to know how strong janemba is compared to buu with everyone absorbed. If that'd be enough
Here we go again.
First of all, I'm not brinigng SSJ4 Gogeta into the equation. He would obliterate both SSJ Gogeta and SSJ/Normal Vegito. Why? The SSJ/Normal forms are from DBZ.
Also I don't care about personality during the fights. Some say Goku was dominant in Gogeta. Was he really, or was it Vegeta being utterly ruthless? How about Vegito, typical Vegeta playing with his prey or Goku's happy nature and love for the toughest battles? Who cares.
Remove Gogeta's time limit because it's cheating!
Now let's take a moment to think about Gotenks. Trunks had to lower his energy to match Goten's for the fusion to work. This would mean the same thing had to happen between Goku and Vegeta when they became Gogeta.
So Gogeta = Vegeta SSJ2 + Goku SSJ2
And Vegito = Vegeta SSJ2 + Goku SSJ3
We're using the same "ingredients" but cooking differently, fusion with the Potara Earrings are indeed more effective as it combines all the power from both users.
While is true that Trunks and later Goku had to lower the ki to match the other in order to perform the fusion, it was never said that the result' strenght, Gotenks and Gogeta, would be influencied by that.
what kinda question is this
DUH VEGITO FTW GOGETA SUCKS Life and death is a trick of the mind 13:25, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
GOGETA DOES NOT SUCK
Goku is NOT more in control of Gogeta
Guys..... just because Gogeta's name starts with "Go" does not mean that Goku is dominant, and the reverse is for Vegito, they are both in complete control equally in both forms
Yes. I actually think that is the other way around. I mean, just look at both. Gogeta is a lot more similar to Vegeta than with Goku. The facial expressions, the personality, the body size and etc. while with Vegito is the other way around, he is much more similar to Goku, both visual and mental.
Vegito is stronger but Gogeta is cooler
Vegito is stronger due to the fact that the fusion is with the potara earings, they give him more power.
Although I think that Gogeta is cooler and has stronger attacks.
Gogeta is stronger BECAUSE of his fusion time limit. Because of his time limit he is more determend to win with Vegeta`s pride and both their strength even though their power level disadvantage. If either Vegeto had a 30 minute time limit or if Gogeta`s time limit was also permanent victory would be even more gaurnteed because he will win anyways.
lets end this now
Normal fusion = adding the power levels together and they have to be balanced therefore the most powerful fighter would have to power down (plus there's the time limit)
Potara fusion = multiplying the power levels together and they don't have to be the same before the fusion meaning no worries about powering down (and the obvious lack of time limit)
Vegito >>>>>> Gogeta. The end.
No one ever said that Potara multiply the warrior's power or even that by the fusion dance it just sum the power of the two; none make sense basing on their fights. And it is stupid, the power gap between Gogeta and Vegito would be HUGE, we are talking about Freeza vs. Omega Shenron here, SSJ vs. SSJ4! Based on my calculations, it is actually, power * power / 1,000,000 or (power / 1000) * (power / 1000). So, for example, based on my thoughts, Goku in the end of DBZ was around 34 millions (base form), which is around 11 times stronger than when he fought Freeza, which is not an absurd to think of. Vegeta, on other hand, was around 30 millions. If you multiply both and then divides it by 1 million, you will get 1,050 billion, which multiplied by 50, will result in 55 billions, which will be around 50% stronger than Buu with Gohan absorbed (Buu: 9 bi + 13 from Gotenks + 15 from Gohan = 37 bi * 1,5 = 55 bi). I actually made it the other way around, I try to think of the power first (the 55 bi) and then try to match the final result (1,1 bi on Vegito's base form; since SSJ multiplies it by 50) with some equation. The math explains himself. It matches! By the same logic, for example, Goten and Trunks (base form) were around 2,1 millions each; which is almost the power level of Goku when he fought Freeza (3 millions). (2100 * 2100) = Gotenks base form; *50 = Gotenks SSJ, *2 = Gotenks SSJ2, *3 = Gotenks SSJ3 (which will be around 13 billions, ~30% stronger than Buu).
If we analyze the Janemba fight, it doesnt make any sense that Gogeta only sums up the power of the two either. Do the math. Gogeta (base form) will be around 65 millions (using my calculations), right? * 50 (since Gogeta only used his SSJ form) = 3,2 bi. Goku (which will be around 35 millions) on SSJ2 (*50*2) was by himself stronger than Gogeta SSJ (3,5 bi). And I think that SSJ2 is only 2x stronger than SSJ, most of people are not that conservative. In the fight itself, neither Vegeta on his SSJ2 form (3 bi) and Goku on his SSJ3 form (*3 = 10,5 bi) were strong enough to defeat Janemba (I calculate that Janemba was around 40 to 50% stronger than Goku SSJ3, which will put him at 15 billions). On other hand, Gogeta on his SSJ form obliterates Janemba on the fastest fight in the history of Dragon Ball, so, at least 2x stronger (~30 bi).
Just for people see how absured is if it really is "power * power" and "power + power", Vegito on Cell's saga (Goku: 22 millions, Vegeta: 20 millions - base form), would be around 440 trillions on his base form, and 2,2 quadrillions on his SSJ form. Gogeta, on other hand would be 42 millions on his base form (1 billion times weaker than Vegito) and 2 billions on his SSJ form. Even if we pick Gogeta SSJ4 on the end of DBGT (and pick my method - (power * power) / 1 million), he would never be closer to the Vegito's supposed power level, he would be around 5 trillions (following the logic that SSJ2 is 2 times stronger than SSJ, SSJ3 3x than SSJ2 and SSJ4 4x than SSJ3), still almost 1 million times weaker then Vegito on Cell's saga.
He said that Potara was better, due to not having to do the dance. There is not strength involved, unless it's because of the rivalry, they have more reason to fight.
Vegito would win
Vegito would win in all scenerios.
If vegito would have not unfused then he would have unlocked further super saiyan forms. And he would master them. Second vegito has a higher power level than gogeta Third vegeto would out last gogeta in fusion time
Overall VEGITO WINS
Lol, all of you are idiots.
No DBZ movie is canon, but the editors of this website are morons and attempt to place the NONCANON movie into the canon timeline.
Fusion Reborn is NOT CANON. So your debate is retarded. If any of the movies are canon, it would have to be wrath of the dragon, but even thats got plot holes that make it noncanon.
So this comes down to CANON vs NONCANON. Now idiots, learn.
NEVER is it stated that the portara fusion is stronger than the fusion dance. Idiots should actually learn to read the manga or even the japanese sub.
After reading this entire forum and all of the post here is what I think. First off lets take away the time limit for Gogeta. We are trying to find out who is the strongest, not who will last the longest in battle. Second, there is no mention that the earings are stronger than the dance. If there is then provide proof via a link. Third, whether Gogeta can become SSJ4 or not does not matter. As long as Goku and Vegeta have a tail and fuse, there fusion, whether it be Vegito or Gogeta, will have the ability to turn SSJ4 as well. One comment mentioned before said. "You can cook the same ingredients into different dishes." So just because both fusions invovle the same people does not mean it will end the same. As show when Trunks and Goten messed up the dance and became old Gotenks and fat Gotenks. It was a fusion made of the same people but with different power. One of the draw backs with the dance is the equal power level needed to fuse. The earings can fuse anyone regraudless of power levels. So if a man A with the power level of 100 fuses with the dance with man B then their power will theortically be 200, but using the earings is man A's power level is 101 and man B's power level is 100 then their power will be 201. This is just a theory since it is never stated how the fusions affect power levels. If it is then please provide proof. So based on the theory Vegito is stronger but Gogeta could be strong if the dance is a more effective method of fusion. Since it never says that the dance is more effective then it is unlikely but not impossible. Overall I believe that Vegito is stronger but there is no way of knowing for sure besides asking Akria Toriyama himself.
Vegito obviously, First off Elder Kai states that patora fusion is stronger then fusion dance. then people say that gogeta wins because of ssj4, well if you were not so stupid you would realise that vegito has just as much if not better ability of going ssj4. so there even. gogetas 5 minute time out in ssj4 form has nothing to do with it because if ssj4 goku and frieza can have a whole battle in five minutes before namek explodes then with ssj4's speed they will have more then enough time. so because of patora's stronger fusion vegito wins
Elder Kai NEVER and i mean NEVER EVER states that Potara fusion is stronger than the dance. He states it is "a more effective fusion" which can be argued as to whether he meant the duration of the Potaras (permanant) versus the dance (30 minutes). but, if you insist, take the time factor out. what OP said, we're trying to find the strongest fighter, not who can last longer. lets think about it like this: Fusion Dance = P1 x P2 but the power levels must be equal (P1 = P2), therefore; Fusion Dance = PL^2 whereas Potaras = P1 x P2 but the power levels don't have to be the same. And Goku and Vegeta were not at their maximum during the fight with Buu when they made the fusion, nor were they at maximum fighting Janemba. Regardless, lets say for easier math sake that their power levels were at 10 during the fight with Janemba, and Goku was at say 11 and Vegeta was at 9 fighting Buu. Fusion Dance = P(10)^2 which would make Gogeta at 100, while the Potaras would take Goku's 11 times Vegeta's 9 making Vegito at 99. Now, depending on power levels, the fusion may be more powerful than the potaras and vice versa. No one knows the exact power levels of any of the fighters during the times of fusion, thus making any arguments opinionated or biased.
i think gogeta was a bit syronger because of the skill and kind of power he can use but their power would be nearly the same ( look at their hair length, it al most he same 555 )
i think gogeta was a bit stronger because of the skill and kind of power he can use but their power would be nearly the same ( look at their hair length, it al most he same 555 )
Vegito could go ssj4 too but they never tried it. And he wouldn't time out in 30-10 minutes like Gogeta.
Dont think their power levels are supposed to be different. Any way you look at it theres no real indication on who would win. The time limit thing for Gogeta doesn't mean he loses, just means the fights over. There is no prooth that either of them is stronger or faster than the other, neither of the Fusions give you a "added boost" of energy, and none of the characters have hidden abilities that were not shown in the DBZ franchise so stop saying they have made up advantages. It's is more a question of practicality, it would be better to be Vegito if the oppenent was strong enough to require Goku and Vegeta to fuse, because the Potara Fusion will not run out leaving them with no restraints. However because the Fusion Dance only lasts 30 minutes, Gogeta has a much more serious character to him and thats why when he fought Janemba it was over in like one minute or something. ( I know Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta isn't serious at all because he toyed with Omega Shenron.. But DBGT was just too shit for me to put it into consideration
It's unfair to add Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta into this because he would obviously win, and it's also unfair to say Vegito has the ability to go Super Saiyan 3 cause its not mentioned in DBZ. Also it doesnt even matter because both of their power levels are above Super Saiyan 3; Janemba, who Gogeta defeated, defeated SS3 Goku & Super Buu (Gohan Absorbed), who Vegito more or less defeated, was too much for Goku alone.
188.8.131.52 01:00, May 19, 2012 (UTC)MJ_XO
Gogeta is better
Gogeta is better becaues vegetio didnt kill super buu and gogeta finsh a person because he doesnt have all day but vegetio has all day and he didnt kill super buu and gogeta can go up ssj super ssj2 ssj4 and gogeta has goku more of gokus power level but who would win ssj4 fight
184.108.40.206 01:15, May 19, 2012 (UTC)MJ_XO
Vegito didn't kill Super Buu because he wanted to save everyone that he had absorbed.
Are you guys retarded? Every damn person knows that Vegito is damn better. Holy kami!!!!!!!
Seriously, Vegito = multiplication of power levels and Gogeta = addition of power levels.
I can't believe there are still people who are asking this. Check google. >.>
Also, Stedman Tabiri is fat.
"Wow guys, use your logic, Vegito is clearly multiplication and Gogeta is definitely addition because of the ridiculous amount of evidence given! Right?"
If you think that Vegito is multiplication and Gogeta is addition, you're wrong. There's no evidence to support this. Check google? Check the published material. Shakuran13ThisendsNOW! 22:48, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
Are we talking about cooking?
Cooking 2 different dishes with the same ingrediants. They could both possibly taste awsome. One doesn't have to taste better than another.
Now, I don't want to hear any angry fanboys. But Gogeta wins. You see, if the two (by some strange reason) fought, vegito would goof off, like he does against Buu. However, Gogeta (GT is not canon in this situation) is much more serious. Gogeta would get straight to the point and finish off Vegito while he was messing around. Also, the whole Vgeito is a multiplication of power and Gogeta is an addition doesn't count. It is not official. Like I said, I don't want any Vegito fanboys compaining. Godzilla3000 00:35, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
lets put some match up in' ere'
goku figured ss1 gotenks could take out majin buu (enough so he left the fate of the world in their hands)
so ss1 gotenks (pre rosat) = ss3 goku
ss3 gotenks = super buu
ss3 gotenks + super buu + piccolo = slightly stronger than gohan, so that puts gohan at super buu x2
which makes buuhan: super buu + gohan (x3 super buu's base, since buutenks would be x2.1)
ss1 vegeto is far above buuhan by an unknown margin.
we know ss2 = ss1x2 (but thats fpss1 which is at least x10 ss1, since goku said vegeta would at least need to x3 from ss1 to take on cell, vegeta laughed since he had way more... say x5) so lets make fpss1 x2 ussj1
ss3 = x4 ss2 which makes it ss1 x 10 x 2 x 4 = x 80 from ss1 to ss3
Now, lets just discredit the rosat buff to gotenks since it is unknown, and i make my point clear without it;
ss1 gotenks (ss3 goku) x 80 = ss3 gotenks = super buu x 3 = buuhan, so buuhan is 80x3 = 240x ss3 goku. ss1 Vegeto is much higher, lets make it say 600x ss3 goku (a little over x2)
Now we need to find the fusion dance multipler; First i'll note that the multip from base to ss3 is 4000 (50x80) Now lets find out how much stronger goku is compared to the boys; For convenience sake lets put base goku at x10 of the median goten/trunks. Since x10 base would = a x10 boost to any ss stage, this makes it a pretty big difference. Also, goten/trunks seamed to be around android saga goku vegeta by how they were able to fight with no.18. so the multiplier cannot be that much higher. so let work with x10 for now.
Then we get:
SS1 gotenks = ss3 goku which means ss1 gotenks is 4000 (ss3 multiplier) x 10 (weakneess between goku and the boys) = 40 000.
So Ss1 gotenks is a 40k multiplier on their base PL. now we divide by 50 and get 800 in base. Meaning the fusion dance is a x800 multiplier to ones PL.
From there, we can infer that after fusing, ss1 gogeta would be base goku x 800 x 50 = 40000 (x10 ss3 modif form base) in other words, ss1 gogeta is ss3 goku x10. falling way short of any buu save majin buu/evil buu and kid buu.
vegeto would stomp
Factual Scientific Analysis.
We are here to compare Gogeta and Vegito in "Who is Stronger." A lot of people would assume that to mean "Who would win in a fight." So lets scientifically compare the two using data and proof and find out who would win in a fight.
First we have to set the rules of comparison in experimenting. Can we compare an apple to the same apple in the far far future? Is that fair? NO. It is not a good comparison to make. So for the sake of this analysis we will keep GT out of this. We will only compare from the dragon ball "Z" universe. It gives us a much clearer comparrison and keeps things much more level and controlled. The next thing to keep in mind is that Gogeta did not exist in manga. Therefore we must use only the anime to make any sort of comparrison due to wanting to keep things EVEN in comparrison. I am trying not to cross any major dubs or canons or series'.
So we have Two "Fusions of Goku and Vegeta" "From the same anime" "From almost the same time period"
That is good comparrison terms.
Gogeta's power can be determined like this. SSj3 Goku was fighting janemba. He was doing well until janemba transformed. He compared the FIRST Janemba to being as Strong as MAJIN Buu. Majin buu in this case can only mean fat buu. The reason it can only mean fat buu is that VEGETA is DEAD!!. the only other buu goku fought was kid buu. AND DURING THAT FIGHT Vegeta RETURNED TO LIFE. So goku fought janemba AFTER vegetas SACRIFICE and BEFORE he fought kid buu. The main point being, at this point Janemba is as strong as FAT buu and Goku is a little stronger than FAT buu. Goku ss3 beat them BOTH. When janemba transformed into super janemba Goku ss3 was beaten fairly easily. but not bad enough to be totaly annihilated. So we make our first assumption. Janemba is twice as strong as ss3 Goku... I believe that is safe to say. now we see gogeta totally wipe super janemba in one blow. if janemba was twice as strong and did moderate damage to goku then gogeta must be at least 5 times stronger than janemba minimum.
From this analysis we see GOGETA HAS A MINIMUM STR OF 10x GOKU SS3
his strength could go much much much higher, and we would never know.
Now to look at vegito we must first look at the str of his only competition. "BUUHAN" starting at the base FAT buu we see him transform into super buu. we know super buu is stronger than fat buu because 1 it was stated by piccolo, 2 super buu has supressed th docile fat buu and fights more ruthlessly. AN MOST IMPORTANTLY 3 ss1 Gotenks "WHO WAS KNOWN BY GOKU TO BE ABLE TO BEAT MAJIN FAT BUU." COULDNT DEAL DAMAGE. SO lets assume that super buu is minimum 2x as strong as FAT buu. THat seems to put him on the same level as super Janemba. if that is true, then goku cant beat super buu. Proof that goku can beat super buu is in Episode 275. GOku stated that "If he and vegeta go out like this they would be KILLED." the context used here is that there actions ,of removing all the bodies from buuhan, would result in buu becoming what he was before. SUPER BUU. and GOKu knew that he and vegeta would be killed if they fought super buu. EXACTLY like they would have been killed separately fighting super janemba... WOW with all that being said. SUper buu is 2x stronger than goku ssj3. gotenks ss1 is as strong as ss3 goku " stated by Goku himself. if gotenks became ss3 he would be MINIMUM of 3 time stronger, thus making him 3 gokus and 1.5 times stronger than SUPER buu. We see him beating down super buu almost no prob. gohan comes and rapes super buu like its no ones business. we know for a fact hes stronger than ss3 gotanks just by the carnage we see. so MINIMUM gohan is 2x stronger than super buu. when buu absorbs gotenks and gains his power. he becomes himself 2x gokuss3 + gotenks ss3(3x goku ss3" in total of 5 gokus ss3 MINIMUM. and gohan would still be (MINIMUM) 4 goku ss3. Gohan can fight but he cannot win. then goku shows up. buus fusion wheres off and GOKu states "GOHAN can take you now". This is because when ss3 wor off super buu basically because his 2x ss3 goku self, but a little stronger because he had the boys base form still. I dont could piccollos power as relevent. so of coarse gohan with a power of 4x goku ss3 can beat buu with about 2.5x goku ss3 power. but he shit hits the fan and gohan is taken. thus making buuhan and boosting his power to roughly 6.5x goku ss3. the strongest villian in dragonball Z. SO long story short. vegeto ss1 fights buu and plays around but is definately a match for buu. vegeto actually had to struggle a bit to break buuhans shout technique. i would easily say vegito was 2x stronger that buuhan MINIMUM. for the record kid buu would be about 1.5 times stronger than fat buu thus making ss3 goku last against him but still not totally win.
FROM this lengthy analysis we see that Vegito's MINIMUM power would be 13x goku ss3
It seems Vegito is a little stronger, but we just cant quite get as good a hold on GOGETA's TRUE POWER. there just wasnt enough evidence to get a better measurement.
SO Vegito may be a little stronger minimally, but is almost safe to say they would be the same power level. In a battle lets assume again that these two agreed to fight. and were both going to try there best. No playing and no holding back, the winner would get braggin rights(which makes vegeta's half go hard) and lifetime supply of food(which makes gokus half try his hardest too) . So no matter whos dominant we get a good match. Gogeta fuses and powers up to max.(we only see ssj of these two forms so we must assume thats as far as they can go. I will use season 1 as evidence. when goku used kaokein x4 his body was raped. i believe that if vegito or gogeta went any higher in level at this time, without the 7-10 years of GT training they both went through, then theres fusion bodies would explode from awesomeness.) plus it keeps the fight even at ss1. the thirty minute fight as hard as they can would be ridiculous. the energy they drain would probly tired them both out before the thirty minutes. is they both didnt die from sheer energy shock, then i would have to say vegito would win due to having 30 minutes to run until there fusion burned off.
All of my findings are based on anime evidence and this is the best i can come up with. you can clearly see that Vegito appears to be a tad stronger minimally and does not posess the same 30 min weakness. Gogeta also fought a much weaker enemy thatn vegito did. so he LOOKED stronger by comparrison. but even gohan can one shot freeza.. lol SO almost hands down Vegito would be the winner. He SEEMS to have more power and he can fight longer than 30 minutes. ANd on a side note. he would have infinite time to master ss3, where gogeta would have to try and do it in 30 minute intervals, because he cant go back in the hyperbolic time chamber.
vegito is stronger becaus he has a bigger ball sack220.127.116.11 03:04, June 21, 2012 (UTC)jinloon
My opinion is that after years of training in heaven/hell Bardock would show up and murder both of them
Obviously, Lopunny would win because she's like totally lumpin. I'm So Hot 22:37, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
Vegito will win
Vegito will win. but to understand that you have to understand that SSJ3 is stronger than SSJ4. And you have to have seen Vegito vs Super Buu(Gohan Absorbed) and Gogeta vs Omega Shenron.
You also have to understand that Kid Buu is technically stronger than Omege Shenron.
Now if you understand all of the above truly than you can deduce this easily:
Vegito SSJ1 was demolishing Super Buu without even trying.
Gogeta SSJ4 was demolishing Omega Shneron without even trying.
However Gogeta was in his strongest state and Omega is drastically weaker than Super Buu.
Vegito has 2 more states to ascend to. Each one exponentially increasing his power. Vegito can beat SSJ4 Gogeta at SSJ1. And if you can't believe that than imagine Vegito at SSJ2-3. There is no help for Gogeta.
Janembeais weaker than kid buu. That's why Gogeta beat him so easily.
Potarra fusion is better than fusion dance though. Vegito kind've proves that lol.
Before you look at me like I'm an idiot make sure you completely understand all of the above!
If you don't you will find a hard time believing this!
All I understood from this, is that you are a total bafoon and know absolutely NOTHING about DBZ/GT. You also seem to have an unatural love for the fictional character know as "Vegetto"...going so far as to saying SSJ1 Vegetto would defeat SSJ4 Gogeta, and that SSJ3 is stronger than SSJ4. You couldn't get stupider than this people. I'm sorry for being harsh, but people who pull things out of their asses, make me want to vomit. It's a DB/Z/GT Wiki for Christ's sake...use the information you're given. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 17:02, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
Are you serious?
That is complete trash. How is SSJ3 stronger than SSJ4. There is a reason it's called SSJ4.
I don't understand why people are still debating this...Old Kai said the Potara fusion was far superior to the fusion dance, and he didn't mean time limit (though that was part of it), he meant power. So, automatically, Vegetto>Gogeta.
Also, to the guy who said SSJ3 > SSJ4....what? You're right about Vegetto winning, but what kind of explanation is that?? If Gogeta was SSJ4, Vegetto might need SSJ4 too.......
^They're still debating this because there's no concrete evidence that Vegetto>Gogeta. Old Kai NEVER stated Potara was far superior to Fusion Dance. He never stated it was stronger or that it had more power. All he said was that it was better, and better doesn't mean stronger. You made up the part of Old Kai saying it was far superior. No such thing exists in the Manga or even Anime. Until someone comes with bullet proof evidence that Vegetto>Gogeta in terms of strength...it is safe to say they are equal. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 21:28, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
^I take back what I said....I didn't make it up, I could've sworn he said the power was greater, but I checked back on the manga.
In that case, Vegetto and Gogeta are equals, Gogeta simply having a time limit
Portara fusion is stronger than regular fusion.
Gogeta goes SSJ4 and beats Vegito.
END OF DISCUSSION!
Why Vegito Wins
Even though I think Gogeta is a lot more calculated and serious (which is my personal preference in a character, and why I think he's cooler), he will sadly lose to a battle against Vegito, and I will explain why.
Before I explain, these are the stipulations/assumptions I am making (read lest you be a fool):
- GT is pointless and stupid so we will merely be looking at DBZ Gogeta and DBZ Vegito (because we all know an SSJ4 vs an SSJ simply isn't even close).
- The debate about kai earrings is intriguing, however, the statement's by elder kai are too ambiguous to be construed. You could take it as: the potara fusion is better because there's less time limit or maybe that you can mess up the dance fusion super easy.So those are out.
- Let's assume are in a timeless space where the 30 minute barrier has no bound.
- We are dealing with the same people fusing into a slightly different being, so, it's a close match either way.
- Goku and Vegeta are at the exact same power-level as depicted in the Buu Saga when they fused into Vegito (mainly because the film only gives us a "loose" timeline to follow, this gives us a more concrete reference and makes the match as fair as possible).
Now that's out of the way, here we go.
WHY VEGITO WINS by Hammy9000
Very simply, if my fellow DBZ acolytes will recall, the fusion dance requires both beings to be at an equal power level. I haven't watched the show since I was a kid, so you'll have to forgive me if I'm mis-remembering, but I recall Trunks having to "power-down" slightly in order to match Goten's power level in order to perform the fusion dance. The fusion dance has a bottle-neck at the weakest member of the fusion.
NOW, with that said, let us recall that Goku is considerably more powerful than Vegeta during the Buu Saga. A full level higher. In order to fuse with Vegeta using the fusion dance, Goku must lower his power level to match him. Whereas, with the potara earrings, Goku is able to contribute the entirety of his power level instead of only a portion. Giving Vegito a pretty fair advantage over Gogeta.
This is also why Vegito looks considerably more like Goku rather than Vegeta. I believe that when you use the potara earrings, the primary "driver" of the fusion is the one with a higher power level. Hence why Old Supreme Kai looks much more like a Kai than a witch, and why Kaioshin looks much more like the Supreme Kai.
Game, set, and match:
While I think Gogeta is considerably more BA, Vegito takes this one because Goku is allowed to contribute the entirety of his power, whereas with the fusion dance he can't contribute all of it.
You have a point, but:
- Though Goku has access to a higher level of Super Saiyan, his power in Base is the same as Vegeta's.
- It is conjecture to say that once fused, the fusion cannot access the full power of his fusees. The only reason the fusees have to match their power is to achieve harmony between the two people. Once fused however, it is not unreasonable to say that Gogeta can access all of his fusees' power.
- Potara fusion is different with the Kais, and we have no evidence to suggest what the difference, if there is any, is between the respective power levels of Supreme Kai and Kibito. But there are other differences, such as the fusion speaking in the Kai's voice. This gives me plenty reason to believe that Potara fusion is different with the Kais.
Gogeta wins...Vegito will definitely lose if they never split up...CHI-CHI AND BULMA WOULD HATE THEM FOR CHEATING ON EACH OTHER! HAHAHA!!! Due to the stress of which women to live with, they would go crazy and won't be able to fight. Gogeta? He can separate after 30 mins no problem.
THERE WON'T BE A WINNER!!!!
Vegito has half of Goku and half of Vegeta. Gogeta is the same. The Goku half would stop the Vegeta half from killing Vegeta and Goku once the Gogeta fusion wears out. When it wears out, Vegito, Vegeta, and Goku would take a break, maybe go have some lunch, then Vegeta and Goku fuses to Gogeta again and they start fighting again, and the cycle begins again.
Now you Vegito fanboys shut up and accept the fact that there weill be no winner. ~~Gogeta4ever~~
YOU GUYS ARE ALL FORGETTING SOMETHING!!!
you guys are all forgetting something... in dbz buu saga vegito is facing a buu with a super saiyan 3 gotenks and ultimate gohan(which is stronger then super saiyan 3) absorbed. And Vegito STILL is much moew powerful and toys with him. That leads me to believe that super vegito was aroud the power of a super saiyan 4. So either way you look at it vegito seems to have the advantage
Your all forgetting that fusion reborn occured after goku left the earth, it seems more likely that gogeta appeared first and therefore is weaker. Vegitto occured, when Super buu adsorbed gotenks and Gohan and its obvious that goku and vegeta got a lot more stronger compared to when buu first appeared. Vegitto obviously wins this, but counting SS4 Gogeta would make gogeta win this, but they both toy with there opponents anyways Gohan de (talk) 00:33, August 24, 2012 (UTC)