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I see that there are a lot of supposed plot holes in the Dragon Ball Series, so if anybody is wondering about any, I (or anybody else that wants to venture a guess)can clarify said plot holes on this forum(if possible).

Trunten 3900

Forum Clarification of Plot Holes


[[Category:{{{1}}}|Clarification of Plot Holes]]



Most of GT's plot holes can be cleared up with a little common sense and reasoning. Just saying. --DARK 14:49, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Shakuran13 20:49, July 21, 2011 (UTC)


A plot hole

Master Roshi dystroyed the moon in Dragon Ball during the First tournament. Why is the moon suddenly back in Dragon ball Z with no explanation whatsoever?

Kami agreed to return the moon, if Goku would agree to have his tail cut.

Why didn't Frodo and Sam use the eagles to fly to Mordor and drop the ring inside mount Doom? Ups wrong forum.

Very Simple anwser to that common veiwer question:They couldn't summon the eagles then.Gandalf hadn't allianced himself with Gwaihir(Eagle Lord/Leader etc.)yet so he couldn't just call a bunch of random eagles.Maybe he just used his relation with nature to call forth that one Eagle on top of Orthanc or maybe it was Gwaihir giving aid.I forget though it is talked about in the book.So no they couldn't drop the ring inside Mount Doom with Eagles.


But seriously the biggest plothole in the whole anime is Goku's second death. In the time it took to say "I didn't know where else to bring him" he could have just instant transmitted to Earth. Would have saved me a gallon in tears.

for that, you have to remember that goku didnt say ANYTHING in the manga. you just brought up a funimation dub line, and the dub is the KING of plot holes. in the manga, the explosion happened so fast, goku didnt have time to IT back.

I think you need to read the definition of plot hole. --DARK17:26, July 21, 2011 (UTC) Agreed again Shakuran13 20:49, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

For the plot hole you mentioned; Goku was dead, so he didn't have any life energy, and according to Baba, you need enough life energy to stay out of other world. Therefore, Goku couldn't leave otherworld, because without the life energy, he would fade back into otherworld instantly. Trunten 3900 17:59, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

He's talking about Cell saga. Goku was alive then. He considers the fact he didn't teleport out of there after dropping Cell off a plot hole (which leads me to my statement of telling him to look up what a plot hole is). --DARK 18:45, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

I thought you meant when he was already dead,but otherwise; he either didn't have the time to concentrate on someone's power, or, he can't teleport out of otherworld(if you watch the whole show, he never teleports out of otherworld, and can only do so with a god; Kabitokai and Kami). But that's all I can come up with. Trunten 3900 12:59, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

I think he can; we see him do it in Broly and Bojack (two movies that generally follow the anime cannon). He might have been out of energy from the fighting and getting beaten by blue midgets

Because King Kai would hate goku forever if he just teleported back and goku is a very noble person!

no he took a senzu after gohan destroyed them.

. --DARK 16:26, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

About the proposed plot hole in the manga Cell blew up imediately after Goku teleported to King Kai's planet. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 00:48, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Hahahaetc

I have a few favorites. My #1 is space. In Dragon Ball oxygen meant nothing. Goku went to the moon and did just fine. In DBZ and onward, however, Goku would die in space due to lack of oxygen. In the Frieza saga Goku should have been like "Oh no! Nameks gonna explode!...Oh yeah, we can breath on the moon apparently...I think I'll be just fine." Tokeupdude 01:29, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

The thing about the moon is that it was a joke and a throwback to Japanese mythology. It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, even if Boss Rabbit did technically end up on the moon. Also, whether or not Goku can breathe in space is debatable, but he probably can. He just wouldn't know since he was raised on Earth. --DARK 02:41, July 29, 2011 (UTC)


There's a few things I don't get about Namekians:

1) If Piccolo became an adult in 4 years in DB, why isn't he an old man by the Cell saga and beyond? And why isn't Dende an adult by that time? Saiyans stay in their prime a lot longer than humans, so it's fair to reason Namekians could be like that too. Dende could always just be a smaller Namekian.

I think a year on namek is roughly a 3 of a year on earth so in nameken years he is 12. Also it is possible that King Piccolo's wish for eternal youth may have affected Piccolo Jr.

2) If Namekians only drink water, how is the first elder so fat? King Piccolo was larger than normal when he was old, so it probably has something to do with being old. The Elder was a super Namekian, Explained in Lord Slug.

3) If Piccolo can stretch and expand, why didn't he just learn the kaioken from King Kai and go like Kaioken 100x? *(Because the only reason Goku couldn't go beyond was because the limits of his body; and if Piccolo can expand, he could've become infinitely more powerful without worrying about the drawbacks)

It doesn't work like that. Becoming larger doesn't mean your body gets more resiliant.

Bold is mine. --DARK 02:41, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

here's one id like to see discussed.


majin buu in future trunks timeline with the androids UN-defeated

See Dragon Ball Z: Shin Budokai - Another Road for information that clears this plothole. Even though most video games in the Dragon Ball series ignore canon, this game at least offers up an explanation. BardockNomadMusikTalkFanon WikiBardock

I think there wasn't enough energy to revive him because most of Z fighters and Humans are killed off and the androids don't have an energy signiture to drain. Also i think they built up enough of a plot just to have F. Trunks in the main timeline. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 12:25, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

How does Cell have Frieza's cells?

Gero claimed to stop gathering information before Goku's trip to Namek, so he wouldn't have any data on Frieza. He may have gotten them from Mecha Frieza back on Earth, but why then did he express surprise at Goku and Vegeta's SSJ transformations when he would already be familiar with the form having seen Future Trunks turn SSJ? Janemba4eva 21:55, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

1. He did collect Frieza and Cold's cells when they got to Earth. 2. Just because Trunks could turn SSJ doesn't mean Goku and Vegeta could. The probe seems to have left before Goku got there. --DARK 22:15, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Cell was created in an alternative timeline, possibly one where Dr. Gero gathered information about Goku's trip to Namek.

Dr. Gero stopped collecting information and data from Goku and his friends once they went off to Namek. However, the collection of cells continued once they returned. This is proven when Piccolo meets cell for the first time. The cell collecting robot is hovering above Piccolo "waiting for a chance to collect more cells."

Super Sayian 3

How could gotenks go super sayian 3 and hold it but Goku in GT could not?

Just how he is? He's not a fusion? Goku never practiced that sort of thing as a kid? It's GT? Any of these can answer your question. --DARK 23:13, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Goku could hold it for a little while. Remember that Gotenks is only around for 30 minutes. Meaning he never held it for more than 25 minutes give or take. I think Kid Goku held it for that long, at least. To be honest, I'd be more concerned with how the hell they went SS3 when neither of them even had access to SS2 yet, meanwhile Vegito or Gogeta never went SS3 when both of them were SS2 level fighters AND Goku had SS3. Joe DBGT Logo 123 Z Ball 00:20, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Kid Goku in GT goes to ss2. If I recall correctly, I think it is during the fight with General Rildo.Prassy90 (talk) 17:17, December 27, 2013 (UTC)

The power of Gotenks was enough for them to be able to go to that level, and just because Vegito never showed it, he can obviously go to SSJ3. --DARK 00:23, August 8, 2011 (UTC) gotenks can only hold ssj3 for five minutes. id say gt ssj3 goku would be slightly less time than that.

Gogeta and Vegito never went SSJ3 because they didn't need to. It doesn't necessarily mean they can't-MKCSTEALTH 00:41, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Heres one i cant help but think about.

Goku is pure of heart so he cant tell a lie or break a promise but when he took boss carrot to the moon he said he'd come back in a year but never did.

goku isnt pure of heart. he just cant remember being evil cos he hit his head.

But if goku is not pure of heart how did he ride flying nimbus

Maybe he did. He either did it off screen or forgot about him. --DARK 00:15, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Actually he said if they made enough cookies for all of the children of Earth for a whole year, they could come down.

Either way, see my answer. --DARK 00:44, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Roshi blew up the moon 8 months later so it doesn't matter. But BS Shenron turned him back to a child so he had the same limitations as when he was 12.(plus Goku never mastered ssj3, so the less resilience equals no ssj3).

wrong. if he lost all the powers he had as an adult, that would mean no ssj at all period. and no power beyond that of raditz let alone baby and super 17. 121.222.11.242 06:22, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Did that help? Trunten 3900 01:42, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

Freiza Plothole

In the daizenshu (or however its spelt) states that 100% final form Freiza had a power level of 120million correct? Then 1% of his final form should have a power level of 1.2million correct? But Freiza clearly states that his power level is over a million in his second form, and with each transformation he gets stronger. For example he went from 575000 (or something like that) to over a million thats nearly double the previous form. And in his third form he overwhelms Piccollo when previously he was weaker. So theres no doubt that he does indeed become stronger each transformation he undergoes. However from his third to final wouldnt he get weaker atleast intially before he charges up? 1.2million is close to his second form power and definetly below his third forms power yet thats what he starts out with in his final and strongest form.... That doesnt make any sense. Could someone explain this to me please.Jpark0015 03:13, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

The level of canon goes: Manga > Kai > Anime > Guide Books > Video Games

Something stated in a lesser source that contradicts a higher source, it's considered non-canon. Even though the Daiz is supposed to be the end all be all of Dragon Ball knowledge, they got a lot of stuff wrong. --DARK 03:43, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

The guy above me was right. However, another way of looking at it is this. Frieza used his full power from his third form to fight Piccolo and overwhelm him, and then transformed into his final form when it became apparent that Gohan could summon the power to challenge him. Frieza in his final form fights Vegeta and defeats him, then along comes Goku. Frieza doesn't know who he is or what he is capable of, so he brings his power level back down and fights at a lesser state in order to test Goku and have a little fun. This can be evidenced by Piccolo not being shocked at the first round of fighting between Goku and Frieza. He even states that they are just toying with each other after Goku out runs the plast from Frieza's pinball attack. That's the simplest explaination, Frieza pulled his power back in order to test Goku before using more in the real fight. -Juski21

Gohan?

Why doesnt Gohan ever go super saiyan again while he fights buu and after.

It's generally thought that the ultimate form takes the place of any and all his transformations. This is something you can look up yourself. --DARK 04:15, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Where would I look it up they never explain it in the show?

Elder Kai's unlock ability page I believe. It has that sort of thing. Probably on Gohan and Old Kai's pages too. --DARK 04:24, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

when gohan becomes ultimate, he is told to become super saiyan but becomes ultimate instead. this means ultimate "replaced" ssj1 and 2 as gohans strongest form.

It's a dub thing. He is actually told to power up like he does for the Super Saiyan transformation, not to transform into a Super Saiyan. Jeangabin666 09:55, August 16, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, in the manga, the exact lines are:
Gohan - "How do I become this ultimate fighter?"
Old Kai - "You turn into that Super whatever often enough. Fire it up, just like that!"
Meaning, just to let out his power. That doesn't mean he can't turn Super Saiyan. He just doesn't really need to. In GT, I guess he just does out of habit. His power's still the same. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 20:44, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

GT

Why are all the Z fighters including the saiyans (except Goku) so weak..even though Goten and Trunks were so powerful as kids and eager to fight and train?

they arent weak. goten and trunks are really powerful in gt for z standards. they lost the will to train and fight as they grew older since fighting to them was like a kids game. 121.222.11.242 07:10, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

First, sign your posts with the four ~

Second, they didn't train in all that time. The only ones training were Goku and Uub. Everyone else went on with their lives-MKCSTEALTH 04:22, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Seconding what he said, but Vegeta also trained and was on par with Goku after he achieved SSJ4. --DARK 04:24, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I know that it was because they didnt train, I just thopught perhaps there was a reason why, you would think thry would still train a little like for the world martial arts tourney and for fun. And I wanted to see what other people thought. Goten could have played a bigger role. And Vageta only got his power from Bulmas machine.

they do train. they just didnt get much stronger like goku and uub were.''''no he didnt. vegeta only used the machine to get the bruits waves into his body. he had already trained hard enough to handle ssj4. 121.222.11.242 07:10, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Captain Cerulean 04:29, August 16, 2011 (UTC)CC

No, Vegeta always has and always will train like a maniac. The only reason he needed the machine was because he didn't have a tail. --DARK 04:49, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Ok well Goku reaches 3 without having a tail. Vegeta is at 2 during his fight with Goku as majin buu is hatched while at that point Goku can turn all to 3.Captain Cerulean 06:01, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

And? You don't need a tail to become 3. Vegeta had no idea that it even existed to begin with, so he had no way to train to become it. --DARK 06:29, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Goku didnt know it exsisted either, the same way he didnt even know what a regular super saiyan was and he trained to that as well. Vageta knew what a super saiyan was and couldnt reach it before Goku who didnt know what it was. So I dont think thats the reason why if Goku and Vegeta have the same potential.Captain Cerulean 06:50, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

You don't understand how the transformation works at all. Goku did it the first time out of rage, making it a complete accident. After that, everyone trained for it. Goku knew there was a level above it because he sensed Gohan's hidden power, leading to 2. At that point, it would be ridiculous to assume there was anything else to achieve, so Vegeta put all his effort into attaining 2. The physical limitations of his living body didn't help much either. --DARK 06:58, August 16, 2011 (UTC)--DARK 06:58, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Fusion Characters being absorbed.

When Gotenks was absorbed he was added to Buu's power and Buu's power went down when the fusion wore off. How come when Vegito let down the energy barrier the fusion was seperated immedietly. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 21:36, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

Potara can't last the air and conditions in Buu's body. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 21:59, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

If Potara can't do that then how come a fusion dance can when it's a lesser form of fusion.

It isn't, don't start that crap. Old Kai is just a bigot, sort of. Fusion Dance is better in the sense it can stand things like that. Earings are better in the since there isn't a time limit.--DARK 22:40, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

no vegetto is better in every way. the dance forces you to lower your power. potara doesnt. dance needs people of equal height and power, potara doesnt. potara is stated to give you a boost in power, such as a rival boost, and greater "effect". 121.222.11.242 06:19, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

^Vegetto isn't "stronger" than Gogeta. He is just better. The reason Gotenks wasn't torn apart and Vegetto was, is because Buu's absorbing ability had worked on Gotenks, and not on Vegetto. Gotenks was actually caught and helped increase Buu's strength, whereas Vegetto didn't help at all. He just entered as a threat so that's why Buu's body automatically rejected the Fusion and tore them apart. There is also the explanation of rivalry. Buu was created by the sworn enemy of the Kais, which was Bibidi. Kai magic (Potara) vs. Bibidi magic (Buu). They can't coincide with each other. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 22:50, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

You'd think the Kais, the most supreme beings ever, would know better though. At any rate, it's because Gotenks was absorbed by Buu and became a part of him, whereas Vegito was just a small, powerful man in harsh conditions. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 22:43, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

How does that make any difference they are both inside the harsh conditions as Gotenks wasn't fully absorbed by Buu like the Kais where.Freakybuu

Don't say that the pods in Buu protected them from the enviroment because Gotenks's face would have been exposed to it.

Gotenks was still a part of Buu, whereas Vegito wasn't. That's the difference, take it or leave it. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 23:00, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

That theory just doesn't confince me enought to believe that's why there is a difference. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 00:23, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Well that's the reason, it's your own problem if you don't like the reason. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 01:03, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Guess that's a personal problem you'll have to work out on your own then. --DARK 00:46, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Just because I don't agree with your theory doesn't mean that you can say i have personal problems. Anyway i have thought of another thoery what if the Fusion Dance is not a combination by magical forces, but a Physical combination of power do to symmecrical (spelling) forces. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 11:39, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

That's just grasping at straws and is way too far-fetched. That's like such a barely logical conclusion. Look, I provided you with the most plausible explanation, and you're rejecting it. I don't mean you have "personal problems" like an affliction or condition. I said that that was your own problem, so you're gonna have to deal with that, not me. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 19:08, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm quite aware that my idea was pretty far fetched and if indead they are completely apart of buu then Gotenks can exist however i don't believe in that 100% therefore i don't agree with that thoery. The only other explination is if the different fusions are formed from different types of magic and i think the fusion dance was made after Buu which could mean the conditions inside Buu may only affect the magic of the potara earrings or magic that predate's Buu as a defence mecanism to Protect Buu from the inside. Vegito SSJ4The Legendary SSJ4 VegitoSSJ Future Gohan badass 22:13, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

GT plotholes

A lot of the major plot holes in GT were simply funimation dub lines, like Dende needing a first-aid kit in the first episode, and Trunks' familiarity with Android 17 in the early Super 17 saga (which was likely to be a homage to Future Trunks).

The lack of halos in hell plot hole is easy: The only times the residents of hell were shown to have halos were in non-canon filler moments, besides, why would people in hell have halos?

And the matter of Cell and Freeza being unable to die whilst already dead is another easy one: The question of dying after death in DB has always been giving inconsistant answers; King Kai told Tien and the others they couldn't die because they were already dead, yet Goku said that if Vegeta were killed by Buu, he would be gone forever. Speaking of the latter example, I think Goku only meant that it was possible for the dead to die again if they were NOT in other world.

i think what goku meant was if you die twice, you cant be brought back to the living plane, but just stay in otherworld forever. 121.222.11.242 06:18, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

And I know this is only a really minor, overlookable one, but the explaination for Goku's darker skintone is easy: He's spent the last 5 years training Uub at his home village, which was on a desert/tropical island, meaning he was constantly exposed to heavy sunlight for 5 years.

Well, we don't see a lot of Trunks growing uo...he could have met Android 17...Android 18's a Z-Fighter, and since she and 17 are siblings, Trunks could have met 17...of course this is all speculation.

yes but speculation is needed. gt is just ambigous, its not poorly written. if it was established hed never met him and suddenly portrayed as if he has, thats bad writing. 121.222.11.242 06:18, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Plus, about halos, it could just be an art thing, there are lots of minor art mistakes in the entire DB series, especially related to uniform...Goku even was missing his halo in some parts of the DBZ anime.

For your third point...that's what I've always thought. But it raises another question. Why did HFIL's residents have bodies?

I thought it was 10 years. BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 20:55, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

The body thing always perplexed me. It was ridiculous to let villains keep their bodies, yet regular old souls going to purgatory or hell had to give them up.

Probably just to make things more interesting... BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 21:54, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Plot filler FTW! --DARK 22:01, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Aw yee, screw the rules, I'll have money! BubblesNoShakuran13Goku 20SSJ4 1 22:03, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

ya !!!!!! im on a blimp wait i geuss yu hve to be hardcore LK to get that one I Am THE Dangalang Man 22:05, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Master Roshi and the moon.

Please, correct me if i am wrong, but regarding Master Roshi destroying the moon in Dragonball during the first World Martial Art's tournament that Goku and Krillin competed in i thought that Kame had agreed, while Goku was later training on the lookout, to put the moon back in the sky on the grounds that Goku agreed to have his tail permanently removed, also by Kame?

I am in the process of reading the Manga so i do not know if this is also mentioned in there but i seem to recall that being mentioned in the FUNimation dub?

Yes, that's correct. Kami allows the moon to return if Goku removes his tail. Goku doesn't really understand why he has to have his tail removed because he doesn't yet know that he turns into the oozaru on the full moon. -Juski21

Mr Satan - What a guy!

During the Vegeta Saga when Gohan couldn't see the saibamen fighting the Z fighters, Piccolo told him to sense their energy first. Only then could he see the fight. Yet during the Buu saga when Vegito was fighting against Buuhan, Mr Satan said that he could see them fighting (which is technically impossible for a human being) though he couldn't sense their energy. Can anyone expain? He is a joke character he has lived through some stuff he shouldnt technically be able to live through. Stuff joke characters do dont have to make sense


Well, he still is a martial artist, so maybe he has an advantage over 'normal' humans. Remember that Krillin, Yamcha, Tien and Master Roshi are humans too. - Ace


He also was a huge liar, he could have been lying, he did a lot of that. - Trey 

Androids Plot hole

In the Androids Saga, Future Trunks said that 17 and 18 were weaker in his time than in Goku's time. Does any one know how this is possible? I meen, they're the same androids.

In the future, Goku was dead, so Gero didn't bother making them strong enough to fight him evenly, since no one could match up to him. --DARK 02:14, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Also, in Trunks' timeline trunks didn't go back in time to warn the Z-Fighters about the Androids, so he wouldn't have fought Frieza, and Gero never would have seen Trunks' power.

Thx, now I can read my manga w/o being confused!!


Nope there is abit in the story of future trunks manga where future 17 states that he was using less than half his true power. Just they missed that bit in the story.

Fusion Reborn, WOD, BOG

In the movie fusion reborn goku is dead when he fights jinnemba why is that?it clearly states that this happened after the buu saga cause goku said you are the strongest opponent I have faced scince buu .he received a life from elder kai so how was he dead? Also has any one seen wrath of the dragon jesus if this is showing how trunks got his sword how the hell is goku alive let alone goten goku should have died in trunks timeline before he had goten and before he could become sksj 2 let alone 3 anyone got answers one last movie plot where the hell was bulla/bra vegetas daughter during battle of godz she is older than pan meaning already born my guess being watched bye maids but never stated she was clearly in the end of z

Fusion Reborn is believed to take place somewhere during the time SSJ3 Gotenks and Ultimate Gohan are fighting Super Buu. The movie takes a different approach in that it has one of the two kill Super Buu, and everyone else lives happily ever after. Goku is still dead, and Vegeta doesn't have his body, because he never had one when he sacrificed himself. Wrath of the Dragon isn't based on Future Trunk's timeline, it's based on the present one. It just explains how Trunks got his sword. This is also how Future Trunks could've gotten his sword, as the Androids probably die fighting Hirudegarn, and Trunks actually kills Tapion while having him sealed in his mind (he didn't do this in the present timeline, but again, this is Future Trunks, who is more merciless). Battle of gods is full of bad mistakes and was obviously made for a huge cash-in. Goten and Trunks are still young, despite it being five years after the death of Kid Buu (which would make Trunks 13 and Goten 12, respectively). Gohan had a different appearance and size when he was in those ages, so there's no reason for them not to. Pilaf's gang is small for some reason, Vegeta's SSJ2>SSJ3 Goku...Yeah, okay there, Toriyama. SuperGogeta91 (talk) 02:54, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

Hirudegarn could not have killed the androids in future trunk's timeline. That is inconsistent with what was shown in the anime. Prassy90 (talk) 06:49, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

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