@Shrekkid I think your right. It is a transformation. I think it's basically Goku/Vegeta using the power of Super Saiyan God, without having to transform to the form itself. But wouldn't that make their base forms really weak?
well not really, it depends on the level of god ki control if you think about it, goku black was comparable to super saiyan 2 goku (i'm using this version because i am not sure if he used beyond god against vegeta), as a rose he was comparable to vegeta as a super saiyan blue (he caught rose goku black's punch, when vegeta was fighting black he was suppressed, then he went full power when black went rose, also he did absorb vegeta's style which increased his power against goku). copy vegeta did stomp gotenks (it was base, since goku didn't know he could use any form before he went blue). sorry that this comment is a little long, Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta vs Super Saiyan Rose Goku Black (English Sub) - YouTube
i agree with most of it, but not really the stacking forms, or for the power scaling of gotenks and vegito
@shrekkid arguments? Vegito was stated in the daizenshuu to be AT Least in the very least to be SSJ3 Goku level. SSJ Gotenks is at least stronger than Buu since Goku was confident he could win.
for gotenks the problem is, far stronger in dbz means 25% to 50% stronger, it can even mean 9% stronger based on vegeta effortlessly killing dodoria, also everyone was overconfident about his base, his base got wrecked against buu, and piccolo didn't feel that his super saiyan form could win, so we can't really use that scale either, and remember, buu's ki can't properly be measured, so ki sensing is an option in this
Goku became stronger than Gotenks by BoG, even before God-ki. Goku kept up his training, while Goten and Trunks not as much.
What exactly are you trying to say? I don't really understand what the hell you're saying. We're talking about the scaling of Gotenks compared to Goku and you suddenly use Buu and Piccolo or some shit. He's just highballing Gotenks by using statements from characters and I don't know what you're getting at.
ok, whatever, i brought up fair points, but you didn't comprehend it properly, and shat on it because of that, i don't care, anyway, i have a lot of work, i won't be on this page for a while