Its the same thing for SS, your power has to reach a certain level, that "breaks the Saiyan limit" then you can transform. Vegeta said his power level wasn't high enough to become a SS4, and that Baby was interfering with his DNA when Baby had his body, so you need a high enough power level to become a SS4 too.

I agree 100%. I guess the problem I have is when people are comparing 2 forms from 2 different people with different base powers, and then judging the powers of those forms based on that.

Either way, we can't forget that Super Saiyan Blue is nothing more than Super Saiyan god and Super Saiyan at the same time. If Vegeta strained to achieve Blue evolution, then it's possible that he strained BOTH forms. If it's Super Saiyan god X Super Saiyan, then a higher Super Saiyan god form multiplier (due to straining) and a higher Super Saiyan multiplier (due to staining) would make the form multiple times stronger than we would estimate it.

I just don't think he's straining either form. I'm of the belief that this is a different form of SSB altogether.

It's a new form, just the true next level after SSGSS.

Y'all know that all Super Saiyan Blue is, is Super Saiyan god mixed with Super Saiyan. For the form to "Evolve", either Super Saiyan god or Super Saiyan (Perhaps both) have to go through a change. Even if Vegeta used Super Saiyan 2 with Super Saiyan god, it wouldn't be enough to even come close to Goku. Goku in SSB Kaioken X20 would be 2.5X stronger than Super Saiyan god mixed with Super Saiyan 3. Super Saiyan god would have to have changed too. Super Vegeta is the same as Super Saiyan 1, it's just power stressed.

It looks power stressed (anime only) as an ommage to Super Vegeta. But the logic that grade 2 effects both forms but ss2 doesnt seems a bit weird to me.

I've heard from other sources that Power Stressing increases your power by 2X. It is not shown that Super Saiyan god has any higher forms. So power stressing it is as far as you could go. One of the guides (I don't remember which.) that Super Vegeta is 10X stronger than Super Saiyan. If Super Saiyan god's multiplier got it's multiplier power stressed to 2X, then Super Vegeta would have been added which is 10X Super Saiyan. 2 X 10 = 20.

I do need to retract something though. Super Saiyan Blue 2 would still be more powerful. Super Vegeta is one of the highest forms of Super Saiyan. Super Saiyan 2 would be twice as strong as Grade 4 which is above Super Vegeta AND Super Trunks. So if he had achieved Super Saiyan Blue 2, it would have been more powerful. But still my point remains. And also, in Dragon Ball Super, the anime is more canon than the manga. The manga is still canon, don't get me wrong, but Toyataro wrote the story based off of Toriyama's plot, whil Toriyama worked more on the anime.

No, SS Grade 3 is claimed to be 10x stronger than SS in the guidebook you are referring to, and thats believable but the problem is its horrible stamina and slugish movements.

Toriyama was dissatisfied with the anime half way through, Terez from Kanzenshuu posted links about that awhile ago. He has no qualms with the manga.. also the Skytree exhibit unveiled the timeline and canon of Dragon Ball and the manga was in it, not the anime version.

Oh. My bad. That's the problem with second hand info. Some times confusion ensues.

Either way, Super Saiyan Blue Evolved is a cool form, though I doubt it is Super Saiyan Blue 2.