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SilverLightning95·2/24/2020 in General

Why Vegetto is Stronger than Kefla

For the past two years people has said SSJ2 Kefla is stronger then SSJB Vegetto( Black Arc). And here's why that's false.

At the moment of Gattai Zamasu's fusion it was stated that his power expanded to no end( it doesn't matter just wanted to state it). During his battle with Goku & Vegeta, Vegeta says" God or not, I've never seen anyone let of energy like him" this would also include Beerus since in the training arc they say Beerus unrestrained, and this is Zamasu toying with them. Then Shin goes on to state that Zamasu's standing as a god was beyond their understanding. Now taking all this we can assume Zamasu is Beerus level or at least close to it maybe even past it(Not head cannon what I gathered from the show's statments). Now in come Vegetto who we saw was equal in power to Zamasu showing that Vegetto has the same standing in power to compared to Beerus as Zamasu. And to those who say Trunks was stronger than Vegetto is not true as it was stated multiple times that Zamasu's body was falling apart.

Now in the Tournament of Power ignoring that Goku was "rusty" compared to him in Black arc. Both Vados & Champa were both unsure if Kefla could beat a full stamina Goku. Now some say that SSJBKK was stronger than Goku cause he got some kicks in which doesn't make sense cause by that logic KKx20 Goku was stronger than Frieza in Namek saga cause he got some attacks in. But this is both Vados and Champa saying she might not be able to win. There are also people saying that Vados was saying she kept getting stronger which is also false she said" Kefla's power consists of Caulifla and Kale's power multiplied tens of times." and when fighting UI Goku she said Kefla's attacks were strong and fast but Goku's reflexes are still superior.There also the statement that in Goku final use of UI Beerus thinks that Goku has surpassed him, meaning that the first two times Goku wasn't even Beerus level, so Vegito is stronger

Now my last arguement, after Vegetto defused neither Goku nor Vegeta were able to transform, while Caulifla was shown to transform a few minutes(their time) after defusing.

There's probably more but I can't think of them right now.

(Edited by SilverLightning95)

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Ya Boi King Kai·4/4/2020

NervousShipper wrote:

Ya Boi King Kai wrote:
Yeah. Got lucky a while back and my family was able to score a 12 pack of TP. I think we should be set for at least a month.

We bought a bidet. No more need for toilet paper.

Lucky. LOL.

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Nerve of the Hybrid Cell·4/5/2020

There's no way Bulma doesn't have one.. which means Vegeta has used one..

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Ya Boi King Kai·4/5/2020

Well, of course. He's the Prince of all Saiyans who married the richest human on earth. He uses one, surely. And if he says he hasn't he lies. This is the same guy who prefered the pink appron over the blue one LOL.

I bet he envied Goku Black SOOOOOO bad!

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Armadno·4/24/2020

Since you're talking about anime( since in manga there's no LSSJ2 Kefla, just LSSJ). Yeah, even SJBG Vegito from Black saga would be enough.

However, LSSJ2 Kefla would destroy SSJ3 Vegito.

As of manga: well, even though I am rusty, Vegito in SSJG would've beaten LSSJ Kefla( even LSSJ2 if she went).

(Edited by Armadno)

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Kiryuthunder1·4/25/2020

Armadno wrote:
Since you're talking about anime( since in manga there's no LSSJ2 Kefla, just LSSJ). Yeah, even SJBG Vegito from Black saga would be enough.
However, LSSJ2 Kefla would destroy SSJ3 Vegito.
As of manga: well, even though I am rusty, Vegito in SSJG would've beaten LSSJ Kefla( even LSSJ2 if she went).

hmm if gohan with his potential unleashed state able to match LSSJ Kefla in manga, its safe for me to think that vegito with his super saiyan or super saiyan 2 able to overpower kefla

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Armadno·4/25/2020

Kiryuthunder1 wrote:

Armadno wrote:
Since you're talking about anime( since in manga there's no LSSJ2 Kefla, just LSSJ). Yeah, even SJBG Vegito from Black saga would be enough.
However, LSSJ2 Kefla would destroy SSJ3 Vegito.
As of manga: well, even though I am rusty, Vegito in SSJG would've beaten LSSJ Kefla( even LSSJ2 if she went).

hmm if gohan with his potential unleashed state able to match LSSJ Kefla in manga, its safe for me to think that vegito with his super saiyan or super saiyan 2 able to overpower kefla

Well, in manga yes, while in anime: Gohan would get bodied by Kefla.

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Ya Boi King Kai·4/25/2020

Armadno wrote:

Kiryuthunder1 wrote:

Armadno wrote:
Since you're talking about anime( since in manga there's no LSSJ2 Kefla, just LSSJ). Yeah, even SJBG Vegito from Black saga would be enough.
However, LSSJ2 Kefla would destroy SSJ3 Vegito.
As of manga: well, even though I am rusty, Vegito in SSJG would've beaten LSSJ Kefla( even LSSJ2 if she went).

hmm if gohan with his potential unleashed state able to match LSSJ Kefla in manga, its safe for me to think that vegito with his super saiyan or super saiyan 2 able to overpower kefla

Well, in manga yes, while in anime: Gohan would get bodied by Kefla.

This is likely, yes. Toyataro's version of fusion, and Toriyama's version of fusion are VASTLY different. Toyataro treats it like adition, and Toriyama treats it like multiplication. In the anime, Fuzed Zamas is shown to be about 20X stronger than Goku Black. Kafla is said to be 1 + 1 X 10s of times, and go from SSJ2 level to SSGSS KKX 20 level. In the manga, it's juat Kale with Caulifla's mind. This may be an even more debated topic than SSG's multiplier.

(Edited by Ya Boi King Kai)

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Nerve of the Hybrid Cell·4/26/2020

And that's why Toyataro will never be as worthy a successor as Toriyama deserves. Heck Taoi might be better.

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Ya Boi King Kai·4/26/2020

I wouldn't say THAT, but he does have a different look on Dragon Ball. To be honest though, Vegito's power has never really been mapped out. After all, PU Gohan is about the same power as SSJ3 Goku, and he matched Super Buu, Gotenks was the same. Absorbing them gave Buu 3X as much strength 4X considering the power difference between Buu and the others (and adding in Piccolo. Then we get Vegito who (while spanking Buuhan) still had to go Super Saiyan (In the manga he started out Super Saiyan) to do it. In the manga, he had to use super saiyan to keep ahead so far as he did. We know that SSJ multiplies strength, so Base Vegito would have been equal (or below) Buuhan. Truth be known, I don't think Toriyama was right when he said it was Fusee X Fusee. That seems too high. And if it's addition, I don't see a fusion form doing better than two seperate fighters working well together (I mean, it would be better, each punch would have 2X the force) but that seems too low. To be honest, Fusion works as the writer needs it to. A wise user told me that once. And it's true. (But I think the T.O.P. "1 + 1 X 10s of times" works better than all other set ideas.)

(Edited by Ya Boi King Kai)

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Kiryuthunder1·4/27/2020

Ya Boi King Kai wrote:
I wouldn't say THAT, but he does have a different look on Dragon Ball. To be honest though, Vegito's power has never really been mapped out. After all, PU Gohan is about the same power as SSJ3 Goku, and he matched Super Buu, Gotenks was the same. Absorbing them gave Buu 3X as much strength 4X considering the power difference between Buu and the others (and adding in Piccolo. Then we get Vegito who (while spanking Buuhan) still had to go Super Saiyan (In the manga he started out Super Saiyan) to do it. In the manga, he had to use super saiyan to keep ahead so far as he did. We know that SSJ multiplies strength, so Base Vegito would have been equal (or below) Buuhan. Truth be known, I don't think Toriyama was right when he said it was Fusee X Fusee. That seems too high. And if it's addition, I don't see a fusion form doing better than two seperate fighters working well together (I mean, it would be better, each punch would have 2X the force) but that seems too low. To be honest, Fusion works as the writer needs it to. A wise user told me that once. And it's true. (But I think the T.O.P. "1 + 1 X 10s of times" works better than all other set ideas.)

I used to think that the fusion multiplier might be "person full power + person full power = fusion base form power". i don't know maybe "1 + 1 X 10s of times" still works better as you said

(Edited by Kiryuthunder1)

What do you think?