All posts by LethargicLunaticGlazer
Its ok i wont tell the other folks around the jojo wiki
You're smart. but not THAT smart
Ok bye gigi
I dont have discord
Wanna just translate this on the message wall of the jojo wiki instead?
"My premise is explicitly stated, you can read it too.
You can't disprove my argument just because you can't read a simple manga panel."
And I have proven time and time again (which you keep ignoring smh) why your premise is wrong. You said "someone else is capable of moving in erased time because of the one diavolo statement". I have claimed this to be unreliable to accept due to him being confused and allat. Even you acknowledged the fact that my points may be correct. So idk why you keep appealing to that one panel when the narrative + surrounding context goes against it.
So if your premise is unreliable and not proven to be 100% accurate, then i'm afraid you cant build arguments off of that then. And if i remember correctly, the diavolo being confused part isnt my only counterargument to your diavolo panel. I have also explained to you the fundamental concept of time erase in my second dot point which you seemed to have ignored. You've got anything to say on that?
"The manga has already explained why Diavolo was so confused: someone is moving in erased time"
Again, I've explained why its false premise. You are building your argument based on your premise. Your reasoning is like this -> "SOMEONE IS MOVING IN ERASED TIME" -> therefore -> "DIAVOLO IS CONFUSED". How it is meant to be, is instead you have to PROVE how someone is indeed moving in his world of erased time instead of building arguments/conclusions off of it.
"Your argument doesn't debunk the claim as the majority of your point can still be true and i would still be right. Therefore, Diavolo was never proven wrong and the claim is true."
Exactly lol. You've just helped prove my point. You just said my points could still be correct. Meaning that Diavolo's statement isnt 100% valid according to your favour as either of us could be correct.
"Since the claim is true, i can simply ignore the other points: after all, why should i waste my time arguing about the mechanics of RTZ when my main argument (RTZ working in TE) holds true value?"
For the argument above, you are also missing and ignoring one important aspect of TE. Diavolo cannot attack inside of it.
EVERYTHING inside of time erase is gone. only the result of it stays. We literally see how the bullets (which is part of the world) go right past diavolo as if he is just a ghost. Time Erase's whole purpose is to help diavolo prepare and wind up his fist in a good position to land the blow while also surprising his opponents out of nowhere. To actually deliver the blow, he needs to hop out of the process which erases everything and everyone in it. giorno doesn't exist in erased time, he would essentially be punching at a void.
This is also another reason why my points are more reliable than yours. delivering/connecting the punch inside a TE is absolutely futile and meaningless. If you're still suggesting that diavolo is aiming to land the blow at giorno during TE, then i truly have nothing to say to you then as you're literally ignoring the narrative of his ability.
1. Mind explaining why its cherry picking?
2. If thats the case, only his attack should be reverted. Time erase is harmless right? So why did it also get reverted along with the attack?
3. Told you time and time again that his words are really unreliable to use. You are basing your reasoning based of that ONE panel alone whilst ignoring the surrounding and that has to be when diavolo is not thinking clearly aka why i've explained is unreliable.
4. Strawman claim. I've never said diavolo no longer knows the limits of his ability. I am implying that diavolo is lost right now and has no idea what is going on around him. Nothing to imply that he forgot the limits of his ability.
"A state of confusion doesn't disprove Diavolo's claim."
Pretty sure it does. Bro literally is not in his right mind. He's not thinking straight and is an a turmoil. Which is why he's coming up with doubts and assumptions
1. Diavolo never confirmed this. The only thing he confirmed was that time erase was gonna end in a few seconds. It’s not fallacious as I have explained why his words are irrelevant during in between and not before allat happened
2. Neither is time erase. And explain why it got reverted?
“He can be in a state of confusion and still be right, especially when i have already explained that the confusion mainly comes to the fact that someone is moving in erased time.”
That’s false premise. You can’t just base your argument on the premise you are trying to prove. Your premise is “GER is seen to be moving in erased time” and your following argument is “therefore diavolo can still be right even when confused”. You see where this is going? So no, being confused doesn’t mean that diavolo is 100% correct which is why using that one statement is extremely unreliable.
“Your claim is a extraordinary one, because you are assuming being in a state of confusion makes you forget about your ability and its limitations”
Who said anything about diavolo forgetting about his ability?? I’m saying that being a state of confusion makes a person unable to think clearly. Hence my reasoning for why that one statement is unreliable because diavolo is not in his correct mind and not that he forgot how his ability works.
Posting a clip of the anime doesn’t prove anything. You have to yet to explain how diavolo was using time erase during that clip.
Again, I have explained why his words aren’t reliable after rtz kicked in. He was in a state of CONFUSION. How should we trust whatever he says when he doesn’t even know what he’s looking at? You’re also ignoring the fact that he cannot interact inside of time erase which is the very fundamental concept of his ability. Trying to do so will phase right past his victims.
If Diavolo is able to cut people's hand during TE, that would just straight up contradict the entire point behind time erase. time is erased, nothing exists inside of it. This is shown and proven to be correct when aerosmith bullets directly passed through doppio's buddy. So diavolo cutting trish's hand during TE is 100% headcanon and isnt backed up by any source.
When he shouts that it’s over, yes it means he has declared victory and is preparing to deliver the finishing blow hence the "it’s over!" quote. but before the attack properly connects, he needs to exit the TE for that to happen. Otherwise, hes gonna phase right past giorno
"There's nothing in the manga saying he ended the Time Erase yet"
But ok. Literally tells you that diavolo is planning to end the TE in a matter of seconds. So it completely goes along with the narrative that diavolo needs to actually end his TE for the attack to actually connect and not just phase through. Saying diavolo can attack during TE is just straight up false and headcanon
1. He was proven to be wrong as diavolo himself claims that its over and is literally preparing to deliver the final blow. Ok, lets just assume that time erase is still going on. If thats the case, then diavolo is just gonna punch right past him. You see how this contradicts the narrative? He HAS to end it before actually being able to interact with his opponents. If TE is still active like you are saying, how is his attack going to land?
2. He prevented the attack from connecting yes that is correct. If GER can function in erased time, then why didn't he do anything against the blood slash throw?
1. Diavolo is surprised because he has no idea what is going on around him. Because of this, he thought that someone was able to invade his realm of erased time but was actually proven to be wrong instead.
2. Yeah Diavolo was about to end time erase but decided nah cuz he saw something happening to chariot. i dont see how this applies to GER as well. His one and only objective was to kill giorno. There weren't any obstacles nearby according to his vision which is why he just directly went for the kill. I don't see how that scan helps you when they are literally in different scenarios.
Especially when diavolo literally claims that it is over. Meaning that he is straight up going for the kill without anything halting him. Vision in epitaph confirms this unlike with chariot where he wasn't expecting the arrow to requiem itself
When GER says its indeed reality, he's referring to the fact that Diavolo's vision (epitaph) is correct which is him impaling giorno. But the catch is that he will never arrive at the conclusion. He says it in the quote right below it: "YOUR ABILITY INDEED SEES WHAT WILL ACTUALLY OCCUR" which is referring to epitaph.
2. I don't think so. He has explicitly stated that its over and is preparing to connect the attack.
His fist is literally centimeters away from connecting. This is implying that everything is finished (hence the "IT'S OVER!" quote) and is ready to interact with giorno. If he isn't going to end it, then his fist is literally gonna go right past giorno.
Ok i've reread the chapter and i've found a few issues with this
Diavolo seems to be in a state of bewilderment. So idk if we can take his words seriously here. How can we take them seriously if he himself is questioning reality? I mean heck he doesn't even know what he's looking at.
And even if we do listen to his words, it contradicts the ability of time erasure. No matter what happens, he cannot interact/attack inside of his TE. So if the TE was still active, why would diavolo try to interact inside of it? it doesn't make any sense at all and contradicts his very own ability
Pretty sure RTZ only acted after the erasure. because if i remember correctly, when diavolo threw blood into his eyes nothing happened and when diavolo was about to deliver the final blow, thats when it kicked in. And diavolo needs to exit his time erase for the blow to connect cuz yk he cant interact inside of TE which is why i think RTZ only worked outside of TE
No proof of that yet
Yeah thats the speed it takes for RTZ to activate
But gionro/GER himself doest have infinite speed reactions. he still physically scales above diavolo who is MFTL+
Tbh, sonic cosmology scales higher than dbz cosmology so sonic should take it if he has the emeralds
Im giving the edge to DB villains. 80% of the naruto villains are cringe as hell with only a few of them having aura and being well written
Get that overrated fraud out of here
He's nothing but a cringey manhwa character