All posts by EmilioRory10

Goku wouldn't let his guard down the same way in this scenario, and even if he did he's regenerating like you said

^^^^^Doesn't mean anything because that's just how VSBW works, almost all of DBS, ranging from Krillin to the Grand Priest is 2-C

Which is a result of his base form being stronger, as ikari is just great ape and has a flat multiplier, which can not change

Yes, but he was getting stronger thorough the entire movie even while in the same form, this shouldn't be hard to grasp

Either blue or rage as they seem to be at a similar level, and SSG is far weaker so its durability is much lower

Not really

First it'd mean Base Broly is > SSJG, because SSJB has a bigger multiplier over SSJG than Ikari has over base

Second Broly losing to SSJG early doesn't mean he's weaker, when the fight started he was losing to Base Vegeta but even before going into wrathful he was completely tanking SSJ Vegeta's attacks

To be fair though, in ikari he was matching SSB which means his base would be at least 5x stronger than SSG

If I were to guess this "buff form" which we have also seen Roshi use has the same principle as grade 3, but with grade 3 likely going further into it

Broly is described as being on their level despite his transformations being far weaker than theirs, his base form is far superior

Cell absorbing 18 gave him a power boost equivalent if not superior to a base-super saiyan difference, nothing Goku did compares

If you took anime versions then Goku and Vegeta (SSJ3 Goku~Kid Buu>Buuhan>2x SSJ3 Gotenks -> Base Goku>Base Post-HTC Gotenks>SSJ Pre-HTC Gotenks>Good Buu>Cell)

If you take manga versions then Goku and Vegeta need ssj and arguably even ssj2 to win

You're gonna need more than that, otherwise Beerus has sealing and could also just kill him with ki rather than hakai

What feats does he have? What game is he from?

Cell's ego is too massive to not hate anyone who humbles him, and his self destruction attempt is as petty as it can get, he wasn't even sure he'd live

Probably Gohan the most considering he threw a tantrum after being overpowered and tried something as petty as blowing himself up to kill everyone, and Goku least considering he did have some interest in their fight despite being much stronger than Goku

In TFS it's very obviously Tien and Yamcha

What causes these huge leaps though? Like based on what logic do we go from low outer (moro) to outer (granolah)?

Because Beast Gohan scaling to MUI Goku means he scales to an MUI Goku so much stronger than the one in the TOP that he would one-shot, it is a super saiyan to super saiyan blue difference and that's just TOP to Moro Saga, let alone current Goku

Ngl I got Gogeta in this one because of some scaling chains (I might post about it later but I need to check some things), if this was Goku a few more arcs into Super I'd have him winning

Can't argue what isn't seen so DBS:Super Hero Piccolo>>>Jiren, to the point he might one-shot

I'm not sure where fusion reborn stands timeline-wise but shouldn't Goku already be stronger than Gohan in the anime/movie versions already? If not we still know Janemba>Hirudegarn who was stronger than Gotenks and Gohan

Vegeta can't do anything