Can Zeno erase Wukong? We've seen Zeno erase an immortal being before, so why not Wukong?
Sure he's has stacked immortality, but Zeno was able to erase everything into nothing(and survived his own erasure). The only beings that we know that can undo Zeno's power is Zalama's creation Super Shenron and by extension, Zalama himself.
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So I was watching DBS with my dad(we're up to the Univere 6 and 7 tournament) and I finally understood what Whis meant when he said The Universes counterpart that adds up to 13, because I handwaved that and thought it was 2 & 3, 4 & 5, 6 & 7, but now I realize it's 4 & 9, 5 & 8, 6 & 7 since they add up to 13.
So... is Super Shenron Zalama? Because Master Zuno stated that Zalama, the Dragon God created the super dragon balls, but when all 7 are gathered Zalama will appear, and that got me thinking: Are Zalama and Super Shenron the same entity? Is Super Shenron modeled after Zalama? Or is Super Shenron some sort of avatar for Zalama?
I've been re-reading the Manga and re-watching the anime.
People's opinions seem to vary in their views on how powerful Zeno is and if he can be defeated.
Whis and Beerus both spoke to Goku & Vegeta whilst eating their food.
When mentioning the Omni King Grand Zeno, Beerus made a face they had seen before. A one of fear.
Whis explained that Grand Zeno was the Supreme Ruler of the entire Multiverse. Zeno could erase 'anything and anyone he wanted, regardless of size and scale in an instant. If he wished to, he could erase all of reality as we know it'. Furthermore explaining he has erased Universes before. Currently there are 12 Universes, but there used to be 18.
During the Tournament Of Power, the 2 Zenos (Present and Future) struggled to keep up with speeds of the fighters they were watching.
This does show a form of weakness on the Omni King(s) part.
However during that conversation between Whis, Beerus, Goku and Vegeta - Beerus explained that Zeno isn't a fighter.
In the Zamasu Saga, Goku asked Shin (Supreme Kai) if Zeno would still be around. To which Shin replied 'the Omni King? Well yes of course - noone could defeat Grand Zeno. It's impossible!'
Zamasu had destroyed all the God's of Destruction, Angels etc.
As Future Zeno was summoned to where Goku was, he proceeded to erase not just Fused Zamasu, but the entire timeline itself.
Later on, we saw that another Zeno from that timeline was in the main timeline. Because of what Zeno did, he no longer had a home.
This proves that Zeno is even immune from erasure - including his own power.
Why do the Omni King's Guards exist if Zeno is totally invulnerable?
That's pretty simple.
Whis had already explained about Zeno erasing the other 6 Universes.
The Guards were assigned to Grand Zeno by the Grand Priest. This is to ensure that no one angers the Omni King further - the result being him erasing more Universes.
When it comes to the power scaling of Dragon Ball, it is as follows:
1) Grand Zeno/Future Zeno - Omni King
2) Grand Priest
3) Zalama - (not in fighting skills, but because his power created the Super Dragonballs)
4) Zeno's Guards
5) Angels - (Vados being the strongest after their father - Grand Priest)
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Well,Many can think that a Theory proving that there's someone stronger than Zeno will be Huge and require many explanations, but actually, it:s quite simple: We can just analyse how Dragon Balls works.
I think that everyone here knows the limitations that they have, or had, most of them related with the limits of those who create or upgraded it, Saiyan Saga Dragon Balls couldn't kill Vegeta and Nappa because they were stronger than Kami, but this isn't the only time that a Dragon can't grant a wish cause there's someone steonger blocking the wishes, if for instant, Moro used magic to inprision someone, Earth Dragon Balls couldn't free this person cause Moro Magic powers is way superior than Shenlong's, but Maybe if this was actually Babidi Magic, maybe at this point Shenlong could easly free.
So, by this Logic, no Wish from any Dragon Balls could revert Zeno erasure of Universes cause Zeno's the strongest, there's no one above him and his powers!
Right?!
The Wish is easly made, this lead to than easy Conclusion: Zalama is stronger than Zeno, thus Super Shenron can outclass Zeno Erasure powers.
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Since the super dragon balls can grant any wish does that mean I can wish to kill Zeno and since Zalama has infinite power (due to his dragon balls granting any wish) does that mean he can beat Zeno?
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You have the chance of wishing for practically anything, having acquired a universal translator and the fastest ship in the universe, allowing you to collect the planet-size orbs. Through the translator, you state your wish to Super Shenron...
What will you wish for?
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