Dragon Ball Super (manga)

Before I begin, realize that this scale isn't overly serious and is a rough guess based upon an attempt to make certain ideas work together through a composite Goku (That doesn't include Heroes because I never really watched or scaled that).

This scale was created in response to a request made by user @Shadow Sans VII on his post about this concept in the below post.

https://dragonball.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000240038

How strong would this be? | FandomIf the Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball movies, Z, Z…dragonball.fandom.com

So, just remember that I'm judging power level by how many theoretical macrocosms that Goku can destroy with his power, and this assumes that everything (Save SDBH because I can't scale that) is canon. Further assumptions have to be made about how Super Saiyan god's multiplier, godlike saiyan (Or in this case the lack thereof and only god-ki absorption) works, as well as the idea that fusion must be stronger than SSG based upon feats as opposed to statement, since that's the closest to an official number we can get. Much of this is explained in the scale, but lets go ahead and get to it. There is a bottom line for everyone who doesn't want to read the full thing, so look for the Bold and Italic text at the bottom for a TL;DR:. Let's get to it.

Alright. Well, I'm not very good at OG DB stuff, but as far as I know, none of it's original or filler scenes do anything for the scale. I did watch the original Dragon Ball movies and know that there wasn't much to really add to the scale. It generally stays lunar until we get into the Z era. When we get to the Z Era, the first true planetary feat is the King Vegeta thing, where King Vegeta was at 10,000 PL. Some would say it's multi-planetary, but it really depends upon your opinion of the size of those planetoids floating around the main planet. They appear more like moons considering their size compared to the distance of the objects.

https://youtu.be/a97ppiBHyJg

King Vegeta Destroys Planets - Dragon Ball Z Episode 86 - Dragon Box English SubbedYouTube

It doesn't really change much, but all things considered, when Vegeta gets around, he's at 18,000 which is nearly twice his father. And at the end of his time on planet earth, after clashing evenly with Kaioken X3 Goku (Who was at a PL of 8000 in base), that would insinuate that a limit broken Vegeta is 24,000 in power level. This means that Vegeta was destroying 2.4X the amounts of planets that his father was. Then we get Frieza who is 530,000 in First Form, 1,000,000 in Second Form, and 120,000,000 in full power Final Form. Goku surpasses that with 150,000,000 in his SSJ form. This means Goku in SSJ could destroy 15,000 the amount of planets King Vegeta did. If we round up the moons to planet level, that means that Goku can roughly destroy 45,000 planets. That might be enough to be seen the same way Namek was when it exploded in the filler stuff. But it's still not solar, believe it or not, even if we assume each of the planets is the mass of earth. Then when we get to the Mecha Frieza Saga, we see Trunks basically one-shot Frieza and his father. I don't recall where I heard this, but I heard somewhere that 2X is what is required to no-sell attacks. This isn't always so as Goku could somewhat no-sell Frieza, but he did pretty much embarass Nappa, and his PL there was 2X. So in lieu of a lack of numbers and confirmation, we can assume Trunks is 2X stronger than Goku was on Namek, and then Goku came back and did the same thing that Trunks did to King Cold, but to Trunks now, meaning Goku would be 2X the strength of Trunks, being 4X the strength of Mecha Frieza, who was pretty close to Super Saiyan Goku at the time, meaning that Goku was able to destroy 180,000 planets at that time. Next comes the Androids Saga. How strong the Androids were I don't know. And how much stronger Goku became I don't know. It didn't seem all that horrible though in strength, as Trunks still couldn't beat his own Android 17 and 18, and but was able to handle Gero. Vegeta seemed to catch up with them as well, meaning he had to cross the 9 Million barrier, get Super Saiyan to match Goku when he got back to earth. And considering his training regimen as well as one or two accidental zenkais, it seems possible. This is where the tracking becomes very hard because first off, we don't know the multipliers of Grade 2, 3, 4, or how much of a base boost Goku and Gohan got. Whether it was a lot or not, I don't know. But one thing is true, Cell made his first statement of Solar level at his Super Saiyan 2 form, which Gohan matched. And to be solar, according to our world, he would have to have the ability to his 333,000X what planetary. Which is close to 2X what pre-androids Goku could do at least. And we're not even yet counting the space between planets. From the sun to Pluto. That's a lot. But let's move back a bit. Broly. Z Broly. We're talking about movies now, and we can't scale movies without scaling Z Broly. Z Broly was shown to be galactic. There is some question in this, but mixing what we see with interpretations of what the original Japanese subs mean, it seems quite likely that this is a legitimate galactic feat, as we acknowledge through Jaco that there are more galaxies in the universe than 4, and each galaxy is a part of one of the 4 quadrants.

https://youtu.be/W7jEiiT5RDo

Dragon Ball Z - Broly Destroys South GalaxyYouTube

A galaxy is far greater than a solar system. You might be thinking "How was Cell a problem if Broly was so much stronger?" Well, here's the thing about that. Goku kinda cheated. A one-time power up that was stated in guidebooks to have made Goku 1000X stronger than normal. This might actually be useful later, so remember that. So now we move on to a greater movie, that being the second Broly Movie. Broly ends up on earth sleeping off his injuries. Assume he got a Zenkai and is now roughly the same strength as Goku was when he was struck. Gohan fights against this Broly with only his Super Saiyan 2 form, meaning since the Cell Saga, he became 500X stronger (SSJ2 is 2X SSJ1, and SSJ1 was 1000X stronger due to the boost in power). So Gohan in SSJ2 is galactic. Then the Buu Saga happens and Goku and Vegeta watch Gohan fight Dabura. Goku says Dabura is probably Perfect Cell level, which means one of a few things. 1. Gohan is holding back. 2. Goku is lying. Or 3. Cell gets upgraded from Solar to Galactic. For now, we're going to simply assume Dabura is Galactic in power because it only makes sense, since Gohan seemed to be struggling. Goku believed that he and Vegeta could beat Dabura, and there's no proof Goku knew Vegeta had SSJ2. In fact, there's no proof Vegeta did until Babadi awakened it, meaning that, if we assume Goku and Vegeta's base forms are equal (which I assume they are considering the fight later), Goku would be 8X Galactic in his fight against Fat Buu. But uh-oh! Scale is about to get topsy turvy again! Fusion Reborn occurs right after Goku's battle against Fat Buu and Vegeta's death.

https://youtu.be/WbaPlj5ihLY

Goku shakes Hell, Heaven, and other world while powering up into SSJ3YouTube

In this movie, Goku shakes all of Otherworld. We know this because he is in hell at this time, and from hell, he not only shakes, but warps space and time all the way up to the Grand Kai's world, which exists above heaven and is one of, if not the, highest point in otherworld. Furthermore, the Grand Kai's arena actually exists in a dimension of its own that contains at least a finite amount of planets and stars. Since Goku's energy shook this place, it can be assumed that the spate-time warping we see in hell covers all of otherworld and not just hell. But how big is hell? How big is heaven? How big is otherworld itself? Well, it's... frankly its big. Statements show that the living world is infinite in size. I'd show scans, but by this time, we all know its true. So the circumference of Heaven is equal to the size of the universe, which is infinite. The space around Otherworld is likely even larger to fit heaven. Hell itself is likely infinite in size or larger, considering that King Yemma insinuates that there is a hell for every planet, and in some cases, for each individual. So we must assume hell is at least infinite in size. Finally, the Realm of the Kai is stated to be 1/10th the size of the entire macrocosm, meaning that there must be at least 10 infinities making up the entire macrosmsm. 9 infinities for the main cosmos, then another infinity for the Realm of the Kai. At this point, Goku has displayed over 2 infinities worth of power, perhaps even more depending upon the size of the living world, Sugoroku Space, etc. But for fairness, we'll say he has 2 infinities worth of ki. Janemba's first form gets utterly smashed by this Goku, but the second Janemba does the smashing. Then we have Super Gogeta, who is stated in the GT Perfect Files that Potara Fusion is "Tens/Dozens of times stronger than Goku" This mirror's Vados' statement that Potara is "More than the sum of their parts and their strength is multiplied by tens of times". Now "tens" can mean "Very big", but how big? For that, we need to talk about parallel universes... That's a joke. Fusion is very hard to pin down in multiplier, because the numbers seem to be out of convenience. In most cases, fusion base seems to be stronger than divine forms. Statements sometimes disagree, but when looking at Gogeta Blue and Kefla, it is very much an open interpretation. To a degree, none of the number line up, and where you scale fusion is gonna have to just be up to you. But needless to say, Vegito was stated to be equal to Gogeta in Fusion Reborn, so we assume that the characters are about the same. Buuhan has a somewhat universal feat by being able to rip down the wall separating dimensions across an infinite 3D plain. I can scale Super Buu to being 8X stronger than Fat Buu because Gotenks 3 was required to defeat him, and Gotenks 3 is 8X stronger than SSJ3 Goku at the time he fought Buu. Gohan also in his Potential Unleashed form must be roughly the same as Gotenks to be able to fight him, but lose when Buu absorbs Gotenks. The question is, does Gotenks' absorption double Super Buu's power? Or does it increase it by 400X? I dunno, cuz at most, Buuhan would be only 3X stroner than Super Buu, so I assume that maybe form multipliers count to Buu as much as it does the fusion. But thankfully, this doesn't much effect the scale. Goku comes back to life, and there is a statement that him coming back to life made him stronger. When he came back though, he was able to fight Gotenks 3 in SSJ1, as well as Potential Unleashed Gohan, and it was stated that these versions of Gotenks and Gohan were not weaker than the originals. Meaning Goku not only crossed to Gotenks in 3, but he did so in SSJ, which would mean he grew by 64X. This means what Goku did in otherworld, he could do 64X. Congratulations, Goku just surpassed universal. If universal is destroying 10 infinite structures, and he massively warped at least 2, then 5X what he did in Otherworld would be universal. Except Goku didn't just get 5X stronger. He got 64X stronger. That makes him 13X universal in the Buu Saga. Sadly, this is about as far as Goku goes in Z. Next we do Daima. The strength of Goku and Vegeta hasn't changed too much, and we assume that Gomah with the Third Eye is stronger than the Majin Buu we saw (maybe not full power Buu, but at least what he showed). That would probably put Vegeta 3 at about Goku 3 level, but Goku in SSJ4 was probably about... See, now we've crossed universal. We don't exactly know how much stronger Goku could have gotten, because now we gotta divide by infinity, which is basically trying to divide by zero. But we assume Gomah is stronger than Buu, and SSJ4 is probably about as strong as the distance is between kid Goku and adult Goku. But since its hard to scale, we can just assume its the same form as will be used in GT, so we'll assume it's 80X stronger than SSJ3 Vegeta, meaning give or take, SSJ4 Goku was 1040X universal by this point.

Okay. We're going to assume from this point on, that Goku doesn't have access to SSJ4 anymore. That it was a strange unlocking that Goku apparently lost. Most of us have to think that way anyway for Daima to make much sense. By the time DBS starts, Goku can now, due to us seeing his mental image training, fight Kid Buu in just Super Saiyan 1, insinuating that Goku grew 8X stronger. Goku is now capable of destroying 13 universes in SSJ1, and in SSJ3, he could destroy 104 universes. This Goku fought against Beerus and failed. However, Vegeta in angered SSJ2 was able to fight against Beerus and was considered probably stronger than Goku. Now, I know we don't put much stock in this, because the Beerus scale never made sense, but if we assume Beerus has some process in his mind for how much power he's using over the course of the movie, like a heavily suppressed power level cap, then we might be able to accept what Beerus says here about Vegeta pushing him to 10%. We'll just assume it's 10% of the suppressed power he was willing to show over the course of the arc, then when SSG drops, and Beerus says that Goku pushed him to 70%, that should make SSG 7X stronger than SSJ3 was supposed to be. Now, there is a thing that Goku once said that makes people think Fusion is weaker than SSG, and that is a 100% valid point of view, but I'll explain why I think not. First off, the Goku who fought Beerus had no way of knowing how strong Beerus was, because he couldn't sense his power, and was assuming that nothing they could do could beat Beerus, which technically is correct, as a full power Beerus would have smoked SSG, let alone fusion. So if we discount that, we can move on to the point where Goku says he's never felt so strong as he did when he was in SSG, and this makes some sense as the Goku now is adding on top of all that experience he's had since the Buu Saga (the Goku who is facing Beerus has now grown on top of the SSG form. But if it still requires us to make Goku stronger, do remember that he failed the SSG ritual earlier and instead just got a power boost. If we assume that the power of that ritual is roughly analogous to the Miracle Blow Goku, that would have made Goku 1000X stronger. But despite that, I'm gonna ignore it and just assume that SSG Goku is about 7X stronger than SSG because Beerus sorta said so, and Toriyama had an interview that, though out dated, sorta agrees with it, insinuating that the increase of SSG is probably about 2800X base form. I know that many people will say that's too low because the form made Goku universal, but also don't forget that SSJ3, a form with a hard multiplier of 400X, made Buu Saga Goku capable of significantly effecting multiple infinite structures. So a 7X multiplier is fine. It's really the only officially hinted multiplier we have. I know not many will like it, but as I said, if you think a 400X multiplier is capable of destroying 2 infinite structures, and the universe contains 10, then SSG could have gotten away with a 2000X multiplier to destroy the universe. so 2800X is probably pretty good. And as I said, I firmly believe that Fusion is stronger than SSG based on feat as opposed to statement. And my view of Fusion Multiplier is pretty hard. But anyway, By the end of the BoG Saga, Goku absorbs SSG into his base form. If SSJ3 Goku could destroy 104 macrocosms in SSJ3, then SSG could have destroyed 728 Macrocosms. That's what he can now destroy in his base by RoF. But then he attains SSB which is essentially the power of SSG as a SSJ, so we can say it's basically 50X 2000, which is a multiplier of 100,000X. So, when Goku is fighting against Frieza, he's clashing with power capable of destroying 72,800,000 macrocosms. From there, we move into the Tournament of Destroyers. Frankly, I don't know how much Goku grew from there in his base form, so we're just gonna assume it's pretty much the same, even though we know they've been training. Goku during his fight with Hit manages to achieve Kaioken X10 on top of SSB, meaning Goku was capable at that time of destroying 728,000,000 macrocosms. There's the Copy Vegeta arc that occurs after this, but I don't know how to scale this. But what I do know is that the Goku Black arc occurs right after that, and in that, Goku Black was capable fighting against SSJ2 Goku in base form, meaning they're roughly equal. And then that same Goku Black becomes Super Saiyan Rose, which is said to be equal to SSB in strength. And by the end of it, Goku Blue and Goku Black Rose are roughly equal in strength, which means Goku must have grown 100X since he first fought black, meaning Goku in his fight with Goku Black could destroy 7,280,000,000 macrocosms.

https://youtu.be/nDoXFjNeIbY

Goku vs Goku Black Full Fight HD 60FPSYouTube

Now, the issue with this is that, from this point, I don't know how much Goku Black grew. I know he did, cutting into his anger, but I don't know how to measure that growth. But considering Goku and Vegeta could still keep up with him, I'd assume it's not much. Maybe 2X max. So let's just toss on the 2X for this and consolation for any other training I missed in the past. So assume Goku is now capable of destroying 14,560,000,000 macrocosms all by himself. But here comes the interesting growth, and this actually might help us scale fusion later as well. You see, Goku Black and Zamasu fuse. Considering what we've seen from Kefla and from Gogeta, we can realize that Fusion is roughly the same increase as SSB, and strangely, Goku just from refusing to die, actually comes back and pops off on Fused Zamasu to the point he not only overpowers his attack, but wounds him to the point he needs to regenerate before kicking the crap out of him. So it's safe to assume that Goku by this point has grown by the fusion multiplier, which we will assume is 100,000X.

https://youtu.be/HcmMIAQEfc8

Goku Useing Full Power Kamehamaha | Against Merged Zamasu [English DUB]YouTube

At this point, I need to break out a scientific notation calculator because my calculator is throwing E's at me like Farquad Markiplier. The real number is 1,456,000,000,000,000 (one quadrillion four hundred fifty-six trillion). That's how strong SSB Goku is at this moment alone. After this, they prepare for the Tournament of Power. During this time, Goku fights against Hit, and at this time, Hit and SSB Goku are equal. At a certain point in the Tournament of Power though, SSG Goku becomes equal with Hit, meaning Goku had grown by 50X, which makes Goku capable of destroying 72,800,000,000,000,000 (seventy-two quadrillion eight hundred trillion) macrocosms in SSB. Now, the issue is, I don't know how much Goku has grown by when he reaches the Kefla fight, nor do I know how strong anyone is compared to each other now. But if we're going to just go wild and say that Kale Berserk really was SSB Goku level, then we can say Goku grew by 100X less than SSB since his SSJ2 level is now about as strong as Kale's controlled form. We don't know how much more Kale grew by when turning to this form, but we know that Caulifla seems to have caught up, so we'll just assume that they're close. So let's assume Goku grew by 1000X. So when Goku turns SSB again in his fight with Kefla, he's capable of 72,800,000,000,000,000,000 (seventy-two quintillion eight hundred quadrillion) macrocosms are about to be Goku victims. Kefla keeps growing in power from this point, but first, we need to estimate what Ultra Instinct's power is. Now, if SSB's power is equal to base Potara, then we can assume that Ultra Instinct is close in power to the boost given by the Legendary Super Saiyan 2 state. We're assuming its the Legendary Super Saiyan 2 state because her hair is green, which is LSSJ, but is often called SSJ2. Kale's controlled form is not called LSSJ2, but Controlled LSSJ, so I'm going to assume its her form, but multiplied by 2X. So for Kefla, we're going to assume she grew by 200,000X that. That would probably mean that Ultra Instinct Omen is 200X stronger than SSB, making the multiplier for Ultra Instinct Omen 20,000,000. This means that Omen Goku could destroy 14,560,000,000,000,000,000,000 (fourteen sextillion five hundred sixty quintillion) macrocosms. At this point, I'm a little foggy about what happened in the Tournament of Power after this. So forgive me if I'm not scaling the next part correctly. But from here, Goku pretty much does what he did in UIO in just SSB Kaioken X20. After this, he a turns UIO again, meaning we can multiply that again by twenty mil. But wait! Goku also attains MUI in this battle. But how much? We have a hard time figuring that out as it would take a lot of scaling that I can't do because I missed almost all of the Moro Saga, and though I saw the Granolah Saga, I missed quite a bit of that, so we don't know how to scale MUI over UIO. Since we don't have much we can do, we're just going to assume it's no more than 2X, because frankly, in the anime, Whis made it sound like that the only thing making UIO weak was that Goku was subconsciously holding back and not giving full control, so forgive me, but yeah. 2X. So, the Goku that fought Jiren and overpowered him could destroy 582,400,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (five hundred eighty-two octillion four hundred septillion) macrocosms. For the Broly Movie, Goku and Vegeta train, but it's only a few months past the Tournament of Power, and we're not sure by how much they trained. During the fight with Broly, Broly was dominating everything until Fusion. Ikari alone was taking on SSB Goku. It was only after SSB Gogeta showed up that Goku managed to regain the advantage and dominate. That's a 100,000X multiplier again. Gogeta Blue could destroy 58,240,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Macrocosms (I had to switch to a new scientific notation calculator because the number broke the last one. This current calculator doesn't tell what the number is. But I'll try to name it. 58 eleven-illion, 240 ten-illion) And if we assume that the SSB Gogeta is what Cell Max was supposed to be, since Broly was catching up to him, and Cell Max was stated to be about Broly level, if not stronger, that would mean MUI Goku by the end of the Super Hero arc when he's fighting Gohan, he must be that. And if I'm wrong about it, we're close enough to it that anything we go over will be consolation for any failures in scaling I've made. And now, we've reached the end of DBS. Considering that Goku in TUI was about Gas level, and they said he was probably the strongest in the universe, which should include the Uub who brought Goku back to MUI in the Moro Arc, but likely very close, because that's a BIG boost in power. Either way, we're going t assume End of Z (Peaceful World Arc) Uub is the same strength as Gogeta Blue was, and Goku in base could handle it, meaning that Goku in base was able to destroy the 58,240,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 macrocosms. Then he leaves to train with Uub. Now, here we don't have much an idea how much Goku or Uub grew by, but considering that we literally gave Goku the Gogeta Blue increase, we need to be careful not to give them too much. Before DBS happened, we assumed that Uub and Goku were 2X stronger than SSJ3 Goku, so we're going to assume this is still true, so base GT Goku would be 800X stronger. That's 46,592,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (46 thirteen-illion and 592 twelve-illion). That Goku pretty much remains the same all the way through M2 arc until we get to the Baby Saga. Now when we get to the Baby Saga, Goku in SSJ3, even with the tail, is stated not to have been stronger than he was without the tail. It took SSJ4 to do it, and considering the scale here of SSJ3 Goku = SSJ1 Baby, SSJ4 Goku = SSJ3 Baby X Oozaru 10, that means SSJ4 Goku must be 32,000X. So SSJ4 Goku is capable of destroying 1,490,944,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (1 fifteen-illion, 490 fourteen-illion, 944 thirteen-illion). Then, after Goku goes through the Baby arc, we get to the Super 17 arc, where Super 17 is shown to be about as strong, or slightly stronger even, than Baby, and we see Goku facing him in SSJ1 as opposed to SSJ4, meaning he grew by 640X. This makes SSJ4 Goku during the Super 17 arc capable of destroying 954,204,160,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (954 fifteen-illion, 204 fourteen-illion, 160 thirteen-illion) macrocosms. After this is the arc for the Shadow Dragons. I don't really see Goku growing much here, but when we got to the Syn Shenron/Omega Shenron fight, Goku in SSJ4, even with his 10X Kamehameha, it didn't do much. Now, Kamehameha normally is a 2X multiplier as we've seen from Roshi and Goku back when PLs were a thing. So the power increase of Kamehameha X10 is 40X. But Omega Shenron shrugged that off. In an earlier point, we discussed how it requires a power level of about 2X to no-sell an attack. So this would make Omega Shenron at least 80X stronger than Goku was, which Goku crossed in his full power form, which he attained after the Saiyans put their energy into him. See, I could do a 1000X multiplier here (just like I did in Broly Z), but I didn't do it in BoG, so I'll limit it to 80X here as well. At this point, Goku SSJ4 could destroy 76,336,333,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (76 sixteen-illion, 336 fifteen-illion, 333 fourteen-illion) macrocosms, but this still wasn't enough for it. So they fused. And as you know... the fusion is 100,000X multiplier. So Gogeta 4 could have destroyed 7,633,633,300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (7 eightteen-illion, 633 seventeen-illion, 633 fifteen-illion, 300 fourteen-illion) macrocosms. Then when Goku changes, there's a statement that Gogeta is still the strongest, but that being said, Goku puts all of this in his base, and if we assume that SSJ4 is still counted into the idea that Goku isn't stronger than Gogeta 4, then we can assume he's only 32,000X weaker than Gogeta 4, and whatever error for lower can be put into us missing out on any boosts Goku had through the series that we didn't count.

So in conclusion, we can see Base Goku (Post Change) destroying 238,551,040,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (238 sexdecillion, 551 quindecillion, and 40 quadecillion) macrocosms.

SSJ4 Goku (Post Change) should be capable of destroying 7,633,633,300,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (7 Octdecillion, 633 svendecillion, 633 sexdecillion, 300 quindecillion) macrocosms.

This seems like a fairly conservative scale.

First time I have learned that the japanese readers don't like the manga version of the Black Arc, much. The same scene that the rest of the fanbase get omega hyped by, the Japanese fanbase was just like "yah this sucks, glad that the anime wasn't like that".

https://ameblo.jp/ultimate-an-earthman/entry-12229349254.html

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