Daima

Same baby who beat rild (base form stronger than every villain in z) is amazed with goten’s power

Not to mention baby only needs to scratch Goku once and then it’s over, baby can take over Goku.

Because the Heroes/Xenoverse interpretations are so different to Daima, how can we consolidate that? Could they be separate Demon Realms?

As we saw in DB Daima, Goku achieved Super Saiyan 4 with the aid of Neva - albeit a differently designed version than the one we first saw in DBGT.

(On a side note, it makes me laugh how big Daima SSJ4 Goku looks compared to the GT SSJ4 Goku in this picture)

For reasons not yet made clear (although we may get answers in the future if we get more Daima or something else that answers those questions - along with others like why Shin and Kibito are fused again), Goku seemingly couldn't access the form again once the situation in the Demon Realm had been dealt with - since he couldn't/didn't use it again in DB Super.

(I know the 'meta' reason is because Daima was made after Super, but I'm referring to the 'in-universe' reason in this situation)

However, what if he could still use Super Saiyan 4 after the events of Daima?

Would this result in any major changes to the events of Dragon Ball Super with Goku having Super Saiyan 4 alongside his previous forms and his later "divine" forms (God, Blue and Ultra Instinct), or would it ultimately be a nothing burger that pretty much leaves the original DBS timeline unaffected?

Additionally, do you think anyone else would learn SSJ4, or would this be purely a Goku form?

Curious to see what you think.

I'll finish with this artwork of Daima SSJ4 Goku fighting Beerus because I think it looks cool:

Image Link: https://www.deviantart.com/juancartix/art/Goku-SSJ4-VS-Bills-DragonBallDaimaXSuper-1179311473

Like why did they make them So big for?

You know while I do think Daima SSJ4 has the better design. looking back at it...it;s honestly one of the least explained and actually Not well written forms in the series.

1. It has no buildup. Some people have been trying this reasoning that guandong( a youtuber) kept by saying "oh neba amped the tamagami that was 100% a reference" which is Just cmon. Not only when neba amped tamagami 2 the whole scene was shot with obvious intent it was dragon ball related.(there was a whole shot of it zooming on the DB in his chest with the DB glowing

) But T2's powerup is only slightly different from the regular tamagami power ups. that in no way translates to completely make a new form.

2.. Form really has no meaning. Gt SSJ4 has the fact that it represented Both goku's home(earth) being the one thing that gave him power, the fact he a low class saiyan finally learnt how to control the great ape something he never learnt to do, the fact his golden great ape form was a reference to Yamoshi(who was unnamed but in the anime was depicted as looking like a golden great ape), Alolan SSj4 is just........new saiyan form. No real meaning. GT SSj4, being a deus ex machina, atleast had it;s own meanings. This form doesnt minus "it' SSj4 guys, remember your childhood form!!!! YEAH we made it canon now wooohoh Nostalgia, just like Broly and g̶o̶h̶a̶n̶ b̶l̶a̶n̶c̶o̶ "

Daima generally wouldn't lose quality if neba just. amped SSJ3. in fact I would find it cooler. Keep the whole "daima respects SSJ3" thing going on. it would erase all the plot holes too. I mean the creator interview was basically needed to confirm that 'yes neba gave goku SSj4 he didn't unlock it from training)")

Of course toei took it down so yeah

TLDR: Aloalan Ssj4-no Daima SSJ4 has no narrative benifit and is inferior to the OG SSJ4 in everyway but design, it' really just feels like it relies on nostalgia bait from old fans/ the recent new wave of SSj4 popularity from new fans". It would have done so much better if they built up the form a few episodes before than just drop a random bombshell.

Scroll down...... but first I like to say RIP toriyama today is the day He died. it' been one whole year. can't believe it

Ngl DBS did spoil us. it really did. anyway

1. So SSj4 goku(he calls himself SSJ4 outright later on) and Gomah Duke it out,. Decent animation. and of course Gomah is starting to keep up right off the bat

Gomah starts winning until goku does this "chest pump" thing where he gets stronger and beats back gomah. but he keeps healing from the third eye

The Adult goku starts powering up(just like his child self did in ep 18) except this time it shakes the whole area and we get a pretty sweet beam struggle

Which blows a hole clean through gomah and the first demon world, making water rush through

And now it's time for piccolo to do his plan, to hit gomah in the head three times aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand......he Fumbles . Not even a special beam canon, or ki blast, just a 3 basic kicks, the first 2 land but gomah (accidently) manages to slap him away and regens to full health, undamaged... Yeah

No of course all hope is lost and you expect something to big to end it, but in a fashion that isn't too far froma toriyama plotline, Majin kuu slaps gomah on the back of the head 3 times with a book(anti climatic sure, but It was funny to me at least)

, which actually ends the fight... yeah nothing big, not even the fusion bugs

Not joking, Kuu wins....so yeah for Kuu

In fact Double yeah For kuu because it turns out, BEATING gomah, means he Is Now the DEMON KING. Majin Kuu is now the Demon King. Not arinsu, not glorio(who by the way Crushed the Third evil eye after kuu removed it) KUU has become supreme demon king

So All hail king kuu(and his mom vice demon king Arinsu)

Now goku and his friends leave in a ship. that's it. yeah kinda weak. Oh and we get an SSJ4 explanation

Turns out the Form isn;t more neba pushing him out there. Goku during the Buu saga kept training and basically he figured he himself unlocked it naturally, but neba is the one who brought it out. So I guess it's a form he just doesn't will not use

The ending however is interesting as not only has None of the gang left the Demon realm, but it;s a sequel hook since now the gang all grown up is back at the bug couple(from ep 4/5) shop with the fusion bugs, beauty bugs etc

Pansy finds a special jar with TWO evil third eyes and No , none of them(the gang) have left the Demon realm yet

So I guess the Demon realm adventure isn't actually over. Looks like we're getting more Alolan SSj4 in the future cause the demon realm is still going on(but daima anime has ended)

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So of course glorio wish was as predicted. make everyone back to adults. Goku Supreme kai, their all back to grown up selves

And now that their back. Goku and Vegeta decide to Show Gomah how it really is. except Vegeta decides to 1v1 gomah this time and to show everyone Just how weak their child forms were. BASE Vegeta does better than mini 4 Goku

But when gomah decides to power up more and gains on vegeta( Gomah is basically pulling off what's a mixture of either Jiren from the TOP and Broly from the movie, he is either constantly unleashing more power hidden away or is getting constant "Zenkais" as the fight goes on)

Vegeta decides to go SSJ3 and Yep absolute trashes gomah

Even redoing the Vegito like Legs thing he did with tamagmi 2

Honestly he's probably doing this since Bulma's watching, but anyway he rekts gomah enough for him to finish him off with a final Flash

The end...........................LMAO of course not. it'sa golden rule when Final flash hits that mean nothing happened. Anyway Gomah comes back

Heals all his wounds ,while the third eyes starts glowing again, and Just like what I said above with Broly/Jiren, IS now VASTLY stronger

He's so fast he can appear behind vegeta without him notcing

But Instead of getting the "vegeta treatment" Vegeta ,even after losing SSJ3, Continues to fight and ......somehow remains mostly uninjured, Just tired and exhausted. So bulma eventually tells him to just stop fighting and after a while he just, quits lol. he hasn't taken any real damage.

It's goku time to shine, So goku goes back , performs the " This is SSJ1, This is SSJ2, and this is SSJ3 Speech he did with babidi to Gomah.

So SSJ3 goku aura farms as usual. Just standing there looking majestic .except he tells gomah, that's not all

And Somehow goes Super saiyan 4/Awakened power form in adult

Wow his hands are big. like I knew the kid ones was big, but they really gave him the trogodlyte hands size. but anyway since Gomah seems to have "infinite zenkais' Like black/broly and the trailer shows Goku being serious.

This episode made me feel like when i was 4 and saw SSJ4 goku for the first time. not to mention I'm getting TOP UIO vibes now.. 9.8/10 episode

It's obvious he is not gonna win this one alone since gomah seems to have infinite zenkais and will probalby powercreep goku in ten seconds. So. who's betting on SSJ4 CANON Vegito now.

(GOMAHREN incoming)

So arinsu and Her kids (majin du and ku, lets be honest they her children, they got her DNA) decide it's time to permanently borrow the dragon balls goku and the gang collected . we have Goku and vegeta do their typical banter about who gets to fight who,(except this time Goku actually yells at vegeta back)

Anyway, Goku wins as usual and we get the fight we all wanted......except it wasn;'t what we wanted. Goku vs Du was decently animated but kinda boring

Sure Duu was funny, but neither him nor goku were clearly trying at all. they were just kinda punching each other casually, goku only went SSj1. yeah decent fight but not great

But then Gomah appears to save the day, and if it wasn't obvious, Gomah(King Gomah as he calls himelf now) really went Jiren on all of them, He really deserves that pride trooper outfit

Yeah Gomah owns them all and even with tamagami number 1(who neba told to help directly this time instead of staying neutral,plus majin ku and du jumping in(cause arinsu is also fearful of gomah), none of them even make Gomah flinch.

Now I love daima ,but this is getting kinda annoying. I'm really tired of Goku's constant sandbagging. I know the Writers are trying to Make SSJ3 seem special as well as make hype, But's it's really irritating. that it took Goku being nearly killed to finally decide "hey maybe it's time for SSj3". neither Z goku, DBS goku or GT goku sandbagged as much as Daima Goku does. He was standing there as a Giant energy ball (that would certainly kill him) was coming at him before deciding to go SSJ3

Don't get me started on the fact that Vegeta hasn't Gone SSJ3 yet, despite going it for Tamagami number 2. Yes this is in character as DBS vegeta doesn't go it, but Daima is suppoed to be why he doesn't go it. He just lets themselves Get beat up

Anyway the most interesting scene was this

Goku lost the medi bugs( the magic demon bugs), Just as I predicted, Vegeta even asked for one of them before gomah sends him flying, with goku actually getting surprised he lost it,

So it looks like the fusion bugs aren't being used here. or they are using it , but's it not goku or vegeta

Anyway next episode is called "awakening" last episodes with similar titles meant a transformation.

it;s time

One of the biggest debates with Dragon Ball Daima is whether Glorio is a traitor, so I'm going to say my two reasons why I think he is not.

1- Despite his apparent alliance with Arinsu, Glorio remained hidden listening to his conversation with Gomah, if Glorio was allied with Arinsu, he would not have had the need to hide, since at that time Arinsu was pretending to be at Gomah's service.

2- Although Glorio knows that he is weaker than Goku and Vegeta, at no time has he shown concern about the power level of both, on the contrary, his concern has been because he thought that Goku and Vegeta could lose.

These two things make me think that Glorio is either an ally or has his own motives outside of both Arinsu and Goku.

First of Before I begin this post and tell you to scroll down, I would like to post an image basically summing up my reaction

You know I knew Majin Kuu wasn't gonna be that Strong going from the Leaks,

But Jeeze, they didn't have to do him THAT bad

Majin Kuu is Literal Fodder Lmao. Tamagami number 1 isn't even moving

I thought he was atlEAST gonna make number 1 try a bit, but he didn't even take a scratch

Look at his poor face, I feel bad for him. what's even funnier is that he isn't stupid. he straight Knows he is garbage and tells arinsu he's done......Yeah she tells him to leave after that

Meanwhile We get a shot of Vegeta against tamagami number 2 and tbh legends itself spoiled this as it claimed during the current celebration that the new tamagamis must be beaten with the specifc character from the show or something

And unlike poor majin kuu, it's a fair fight

I also love how since demon world number 2 is water based, everything there has some water traits, even Tamagami number 2, he literally looks like a shark person kinda, with those fins. We get floating islands and planets even. It's like the water levels in one of those Dragon quest games tpriyama made(but I can't remember which one).

It also explains why Both Namekians And Glinds(shinjins/Supreme kais) apparently only need water to survive, since their both from here and Namek's Planet is the exact same as the demon realm as the opening indicated (ezcept much smaller than the actual namek) and that namekians were apparently "slaves" before escaping to the Regular universe.

Oh yeah and we get some nice lore bombs, we See a Full scan of Abura now instead of the small glint we got from gomah

But most importantly, We have The New Gods of Dragon ball introduced

The Good Supreme Demon king(notice all demon kings but Dabura and the non canon ones Like mechikabura and fu, are Fat? guess they never worked out) of the Old age, so Dabura grandad or Something

And the New god(specifcally a Kai? as he is also a shinjin/Glind) Who created the DB universe

Super Majin rymus

And he seems related to Zeno

So there is another high ranking Deity now.

Even above the Kais again, Oh yeah and here all DBS supreme kais standing in position, In daima

Meaning the "DBS isn't Canon to Daima" claim that people are spreading online.... Yeah that got debunked even more(then again DBS bardock literally appeared in episode 1. Lol

Anyway

I rate this episode an 8/10....... RIP majin Kuu , he got No job anymore(arinsu Literally tells him, he is fired)