Baby Saga

Now I haven’t watched gt but I do know somethings so based of that knowledge here’s what I would change

1.make animation better

I would just make it higher quality for example not making cell look abysmal in that one episode

2.making story better

Basically I would just fix certain problems that people face when watching gt for example the black star dragon ball arc although I wouldn’t fix gt pan and you’ll see why.

3. Making pan better

So after the baby saga but before the super 17 saga I would add another saga i between and in this saga Gohan and his family would go vacation to a private island and while Gohan and pan would be roaming the beach a villain (who had been asleep for thousands of years on this island)would arise from the ground and the opposing teams would fight but it would be mostly one sided with this villain having the upper hand and then this villain would charge a fatal attack and throw it at pan but Gohan would step infront of it and sacrifice himself (like piccolo did to Gohan in the Saiyan saga) this would enrage pan giving her ssj and then she would body this villain (this would mean pan is better than Gohan kinda like how Gohan was better than Goku in dbz) and this experience could give her some character development and she wouldn’t be the 9 year old brat anymore

Probably going to regret positing this, but the thought was stuck in my head and so I decided to ask it. All I ask is that you try to refrain from starting any "Super vs. GT" flame wars; we've had enough of those in the past.

Put simply, the Baby Saga plays out up to the point that Goku needs his friends to give their energy to him so he can combat Baby Vegeta in his Golden Great Ape form - with Gohan, Goten, Trunks and Pan all lending their energy.

This time, however, Bulla is here to offer her energy as well; wanting to help free her Dad of the Tuffle parasite controlling him. Her presence and donation of energy, however, results in a different outcome.

Instead of Goku achieving Full Power Super Saiyan 4, he instead achieves a more powerful version of Super Saiyan 4 that is now infused with God Ki.

While this will still be temporary (similar to SSJG Goku's fight with Beerus), how do you think this change would affect the rest of GT?

Based on your own ideas, would this lead to the same events in GT but with better/worse results, or could this change (Goku temporarily attaining God Ki) attract the attention of others - such as a certain Angel and the God of Destruction he serves/teaches?

Regardless of whether your idea remains purely GT-based or mixes more elements of Super, I'm curious to see what you guys come up with.

One for the Dragon Ball GT fans.

At the end of the Baby Saga, we saw Goku (as a "Full Power" Super Saiyan 4) defeat Baby Vegeta in his Golden Great Ape form; the Tuffle parasite abandoning his host and - now grown to adult size and thus unable to take over any other hosts that weren't giant-sized - having to try and escape.

Unfortunately, that doesn't go according to plan and Goku eliminates the ship with a 10x Kamehameha - sending it crashing into the sun and killing Baby for good.

However, what if Goku was too injured to fire the beam/didn't have enough energy left and Baby was able to get away?

What do you think Baby would do in this situation after he flees from Planet Plant in order to try and get his revenge (which just makes me imagine Baby screaming this as he flees).

Curious to see what you guys think.

Ok, so this is going to relate to something that came up in GT and The Plan To Eradicate the Saiyans. We all know that the Saiyans elevated the Tuffles and took over the planet, that's accepted on both sides, but we heard two different story, one from Vegeta and one from Baby and Dr. Lychee.

According to the Tuffles, the Saiyans were a primitive race that the Tuffles tried to help by introducing to them their technology and trying to better their lives. Eventually the Saiyans, led by King Vegeta, turned on the Tuffles and wiped them all out. Now based on what we know Sayans are like, this story seems pretty believable, but at the same time, it's not unexpected that the Tuffles would make themselves out to be innocent victims in the war and the Saiyans to be heatless mass murderers who betrayed them.

Now, according to Vegeta, the Tuffles may have introduced Saiyans their technology, but they greatly looked down on the Saiyans and treated and used them like slaves, even forces them to live on the outskirts in primitive villages, and so the Saiyans later rebelled.

So, which version of history is more accurate? Well, based on what we know of Saiyans, I'm more inclined to believe Vegeta's story. We all know how prideful Saiyans are and how they value strength and hate being seen as weak or dominated by anyone. And Vegeta is especially proud of his race. With that in mind, why would the Saiyans paint themselves in such a negative light where they were once basically slaves to the weak Tuffle race? In truth, they would probably prefer the Tuffle's version of history, where they came and conquered the Tuffles, just as they are known for doing and loving. If what the Tuffles claim is the truth, then that would mean the Saiyans deliberately painted themselves as being subservient to a race they thought they were superior to because... why exactly? It doesn't make sense for them to do this. But if Vegeta's version of history is true, then the Tuffles simply tried to justify their treatment of the Saiyans and made themselves out to be victims to paint the Saiyans as the villains. And based on their creations like Baby and Hatchiyack and what they were meant to do, not just to the Saiyans, but to the universe itself, it shows they have a very sinister side to them.

So I'm saying that Vegeta's version of history is more accurate. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

Baby Arc

Pan: What happened to the Black Star Dragon Balls arc?

Goku: It gets too much hate so we’re skipping it for funsies.

(cut to Earth)

Baby: Hello there. I’m looking for Saiyans to possess.

Goten: I’M ON A DATE! (Kamehameha)

Baby: Well, I’m sorry for Vegeta’s dad exterminating my race for no apparent reason! (infects Goten)

Baby Goten: Damn, I’m jacked!

Valese: Will you possess me too?

Baby Goten: Nah, but I will later.

(cut back to space)

Baby Trunks: Hi!

(goes Super Saiyan and commits deletus off the ship)

Baby Trunks: See you on Earth, suckers!

Pan: What just happened?

Goku: Something is up with Trunks...

(cut back to Earth)

Baby Goten: Hi, Gohan. (ki blasts rocks, which fall on top of Gohan)

Gohan: (goes Super Saiyan to the Halo Reach theme song)

Super Saiyan Gohan: Not funny.

Baby Goten: You know what else isn’t funny?

Super Saiyan Gohan: What?

Baby Goten: This. (infects Gohan)

Baby Gohan (SSJ): Damn, I’m even MORE jacked now!

Piccolo: I’m here and— HOLY SHIT, GOHAN AND GOTEN ARE EVIL!

Baby Gohan (SSJ): Oh, don’t worry Namekian. I won’t possess you.

Piccolo: Thank god.

Baby Gohan (SSJ): But I am going to put you in an unconscious state until the end of the arc where you do something important.

Piccolo: OK.

(Kamehameha)

Piccolo: (Tom screm)

(Later that night)

Vegeta: Hi, I’m voiced by Vile from Mega Man X (Blue Water dub reference intended).

Baby Gohan & Baby Goten: WE DON’T CARE.

(cue the first four notes of Megalovania as Vegeta gets infected)

Baby Vegeta: I am so jacked up with muscles now that I’m keeping this body. (goes Super Saiyan but with white hair as the first few trumpet notes of the Ultra Instinct theme play)

Baby Vegeta: And I’ve invented Ultra Instinct too! Nice.

SpongeBob Narrator: The next day...

Pan: We’re back!

(Baby Gohan and Baby Videl shoot her with ki blasts)

Pan: And now, I’m temporarily dead. Bleh.

(Goku does the Gangsta’s Paradise choir yell. Cut to Baby Vegeta watching this happen on TV from the lookout.)

Baby Vegeta (internally): I f**ked up and have no regrets.

(cut to Goku confronting Baby Gohan and Baby Goten, the latter of whom fails a sneak attack on Goku)

Goku: I didn’t raise you two to be this pathetic at sneak attacks, kids.

Baby Gohan: How dare you call my brother pathetic, "DAD".

(*: Dad is in quotation marks not because Piccolo exists (he’s Gohan’s ADOPTIVE DAD), but because Gohan’s infected.)

Goku: And what, are you gonna cry to my mom and dad? They’re DEAD.

Baby Vegeta: Well, I’m sorry to hear that.

Goku: Nice hair. So you’re the last Tuffle alive, huh?

Baby Vegeta: Yeah.

Goku: Well you aren’t going to infect me, my granddaughter, or anyone else on this earth that’s not infected.

Baby Vegeta: I had no plans to. But you know what I have plans to do?

Goku: What?

Baby Vegeta: ASCEND, MOTHAF**KA! (becomes the GT equivalent of Dragon Ball Raging Blast 2’s Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta to the PlayStation 2 boot up theme)

Goku: Cool. I’m going to go grow my tail back. (falls into a portal)

Kibitoshin: By the way, I exist. And I’m going to do something important now.

Baby Vegeta: OK, you go do that. Me and my servants need to awaken Ultimate Shenron. Can you tell us how?

Kibitoshin: Just sing the lyrics to "Long Cool Woman (In A Black Dress)" like Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged’s version of Marik Ishtar. (jumps into the portal Goku fell into)

Baby Vegeta: ...

Baby Gohan: ...

Baby Goten: I don’t understand Supreme Kais.

(To Be Continued.)

Kid Goku (supressed): 50 Billion

Pan: 2 Billion

Trunks: 30 Billion

Giru: 1 Million

Doctors: 2-10

Baby Doctors: 3-15

Baby Trunks: 45 Billion

SSJ G4 Baby Trunks: 3.375 Trillion

Baby (Child Form): 10 Billion

Trunks: 45 Billion

Giant Animals: 100-1000

Giant Queen Bee: 5000

Giant: 10000

Baby Humans: 1.5-150

Hercule: 80

Palace: 10

Goten: 30 Billion

Baby Goten: 45 Billion

SSJ G4 Baby Goten: 3.375 Trillion

Chi Chi: 100

Videl: 120

Gohan: 500 Billion

SSJ G4 Gohan: 37.5 Trillion

Piccolo: 100 Billion

Bra: 4 Million

Baby Gohan: 750 Billion

Vegeta: 10 Trillion

SSJ2 Baby Gohan: 75 Trillion

SSJ2 Vegeta: 1 Quadrillion

Baby (teen form): 1 Trillion

Baby Vegeta: 20 Trillion

Kid Goku: 7.5 Trillion

Trunks: 45 Billion

Pan: 2 Billion

Baby Dende: 4.5 Thousand

Baby Bulma: 150

Baby Chi Chi: 150

Baby Videl: 180

Baby Gohan: 750 Billion

Baby Goten: 45 Billion

Baby Trunks: 45 Billion

MSSJ Baby Gohan: 56.25 Trillion

MSSJ Baby Goten: 3.375 Trillion

MSSJ Baby Trunks: 3.375 Trillion

Goku's Kikohas: 20 Trillion

Baby Gohan (injured): 250 Billion

Baby Goten (injured): 15 Billion

Baby Trunks (injured): 15 Billion

Baby Vegeta: 20 Trillion

Super Baby Vegeta: 1.5 Quadrillion

SSJ3 Kid Goku: 3 Quadrillion

Kid Goku (stamina drained): 5 Trillion

Baby Bra: 6 Million

Baby Vegeta (strongest form 1): 2 Quadrillion

Kid Goku (injured): 500 Billion

Kibito Kai: 300 Billion

Old Kai: 500 Million

Kid Goku: 10 Trillion

Uub: 1 Trillion

Pan: 2 Billion

Good Buu: 300 Billion

Majuub: 130 Trillion

Baby Vegeta (strongest form 2): 8 Quadrillion

Kid Goku (tail regrown): 15 Trillion

SSJ3 Goku (tail regrown): 7.5 Quadrillion

Baby Vegeta (strongest form 2 + tail regrown): 15 Quadrillion

Baby Vegeta (golden oozaru): 80 Quadrillion

Goku (golden oozaru): 40 Quadrillion

SSJ4 Goku (adult body): 400 Quadrillion

Gohan: 750 Billion

Goten: 45 Billion

Trunks: 45 Billion

SSJ2 Gohan: 75 Trillion

MSSJ Goten: 3.375 Trillion

MSSJ Trunks: 3.375 Trillion

Majuub: 130 Trillion

Vegeta: 20 Trillion

Baby (adult form): 1 Quadrillion

SSJ4 Goku: 400 Quadrillion

Goku's Kamehameha x 10: 4 Quintillion

Kid Goku: 10 Trillion

Piccolo: 100 Billion