"Future" Trunks Saga

Future Gohan being revived and having his potential unlocked by the Elder Kai after overcoming PTSD in other world like in Another Road

Future Trunks getting Super Saiyan God instead of Super Saiyan Rage

Black getting Super Saiyan Rosé 2,3&3 Full Power and having immortality instead of there being 2 Zamasu's, eventually leading to a different fight between Vegito Blue and Rosé 3 Full Power Black

1. Rename it to Super Saiyan Tomorrow or Super Saiyan Hope

2. Make it to where it is created from Future Trunks absorbing the Spirit Energy/Genki and the hopes of the people of his timeline similar to the Spirit Bomb

This helps explain why it exists, why it's a Future Trunks only form, and why it's seemingly so powerful and gives it a more unique and less confusing name

It also explains why it's Blue if it has no God Ki, because it turned blue when Trunks permanently absorbed a spirit bomb basically

Rate this character out of 10:

Goku Black. A God with the body of a mortal turned into the nightmare of Mortals across time itself.

8-10/10. Most villains in DBS were other old villains from Z, antagonists that aren’t actually bad, or manipulated. Black alongside Moro, are the only antagonists that are both New and 100% villains.

His Super Saiyan Rosé is an absolute masterpiece. You can say what you want about Blue being a “recolour” but Rosé hit the spot on being absolutely divine.

He truly feels like a villain, I both hate him and love him for that. Turles maybe the original dark counterpart to Goku, but Black (even if he was Zamasu) was a genuine evil Goku, and some aspects of him just felt like a full on evil Goku. Like his name suggests, he is the darkness to Goku’s light, a heroic character’s body taken by an evil hearted God. Love it.

But thats’s my opinion, what do ya’ll rate him at?

Also his sickle of sorrow is dope af and you can’t convince me otherwise.

Something I'm curious about, since Goku Black is Zamasu in Goku's body and Zamasu was a Supreme Kai Apprentice - with Kais able to survive in space.

However, with him now in a "mortal" body, would he still be able to survive in space or would this be a limitation in this case?

For example, if Fortuneteller Baba was still alive and brought back the Other World Fighters - with Pikkon and Olibu both forcing Goku Black up into space and restraining his arms to prevent him using Instant Transmission (Goku, Vegeta, Future Trunks and the other heroes keeping Future Zamasu occupied) - then could Goku Black possibly be killed by asphyxiating in the vacuum of space?

Curious to see what you guys think.

Im older now and I wonder. What the hell?

Theres so many things I’m curious about, where did the Angels go when supreme Kai/Gods of destruction were killed? Why didnt they fix zamasu’s mess? Where was the Grand Priest? How much of Trunk’s timeline did Zeno erase? The whole universe? The whole multiverse? Does that mean Grand Priest is gone as well?

Minor things I’m also curious about this saga, how tf is Goku Black so durable? There wasn’t one time he was unconscious and he was the one who didn’t have the Invincibility yet he took Goku and Vegeta’s attacks like they were nothing.

(Context, this happens in the DBS Future Saga after Beerus loses at a video game)

The what if it made was a scenario where goku black betrays zamasu and he had a new goal that was to eraze the mortals and make new mortals that would be better then us in everyway

Here is the entire what if story

Goku Black’s Betrayal and New Vision

The shattered remains of their ruined world stretched across the horizon, the silence broken only by the crackling energy of Goku Black’s scythe. Zamasu stood nearby, radiating divine fury, as if sensing the shift in Black’s intentions.

"Black," Zamasu growled, his tone sharp with suspicion. "Our mission is clear—to eradicate mortals and cleanse this universe of their corruption. Why do you hesitate?"

Black’s smirk widened, but his gaze was cold, calculating. "You’ve misunderstood me, Zamasu. I no longer wish to destroy mortals… not entirely."

Zamasu’s eyes narrowed, his voice rising. "What nonsense is this? They are flawed! Wicked! Beyond redemption!"

Black spun his scythe, the air around it humming with malice. "They are flawed because we allowed them to be. If they cannot evolve, then it’s not their fault—it’s ours. Mortals… they were wasted potential. But under my guidance, I could create something better—stronger, purer."

Zamasu’s fury erupted as his aura flared. "You dare to suggest replacing our divine justice with their pitiful existence? You were meant to destroy, not to play god with creation!"

Black laughed, his tone dripping with mockery. "Play god? Oh, Zamasu, I am a god. And I’ve grown tired of your self-righteous drivel. You cling to destruction because you lack the imagination for creation."

Zamasu raised his hand, summoning divine energy. "You’ve lost your way, Black. If you won’t uphold our mission, then you’ve become no better than the mortals we swore to eliminate!"

Black’s energy surged, his scythe glowing with dark, corrupted power. "No, Zamasu. I’ve transcended our mission. Your vision was too narrow, too simple. I will forge a new race of mortals, beings who will embody strength, discipline, and perfection—a reflection of me."

Zamasu lunged, but Black was faster. With a devastating slash, Black’s scythe tore through Zamasu’s chest, severing his divine form. Though Zamasu’s immortality allowed him to regenerate, Black’s relentless attacks began to unravel even his divine essence.

"You were useful, Zamasu," Black said coldly, "but your ideals have become a cage. My new mortals will be my legacy—and they will inherit a universe free of your hypocrisy."

As Zamasu’s form dissolved into the ether, Black stood alone under the blood-red sky, his scythe resting on his shoulder. He gazed into the void, his smirk returning.

"I will create life—not in their image, but in mine. And this time, there will be no room for weakness."

I did not make this. this was generated by chatgpt. rate the story 1/10 i just want to know what you guys think of the story. ima say 5/10

- During the Tournament of Destroyers, we get the fight between Vegeta and Cabba; complete with Vegeta teaching Cabba how to go Super Saiyan and later giving him some more advice about his "Saiyan Pride" and growing stronger - with Cabba looking to Vegeta as a "Master" and in turn promising to take Vegeta to Planet Sadala one day.

- Once the Tournament is over and Zeno has said about having a "bigger tournament" in the future, however, Cabba this time requests to come to Universe 7 to learn more, with Goku been happy to have him as he seems like a nice guy while Vegeta does his usual arms-folded act but quietly accepts it; saying he'll ask Bulma to get a room ready for him.

Although Champa angrily complains and accuses the group of "stealing his fighter", Vados states that Cabba getting stronger will be better for Champa if/when Zeno plans for his "bigger tournament" in the future; Champa accepting this but threatening to either leave Cabba in Universe 7 if he doesn't improve enough or erase him instead.

- With that, Cabba joins Team Universe 7 on Earth and takes up residence at Capsule Corporation; helping out where possible and training with Vegeta as well as some of the others like Trunks and Goten.

With him getting stronger and been present for the Copy-Vegeta Saga, the "Future" Trunks Saga and the aftermath of that (including still taking part in the Baseball Match), how do you think his time in Universe 7 would change those Sagas and his efforts in the Tournament of Power?

Curious to see what you guys think.

- For this scenario, Goku remembers what Future Trunks told him about the future versions of Babidi, Dabura and their minions getting defeated, with the Future version of Majin Buu still in his sealed ball as a result.

As such, when they return to the future (with Goku bringing some cookies along this time as well as the Senzu Beans - with Roshi having time on this occasion to give Goku the talisman he forgot), Goku heads over to the sealed ball, which is still inside Babidi's buried ship, and uses his own energy to awaken Buu.

- Upon Buu's awakening and after telling him that the mean wizard isn't around anymore to seal him away, Goku offers to be a friend to the Future version of the pink blob - as well as telling him that two mean people (Goku Black and Future Zamasu) have taken all the candies, puddings and sweet foods on Earth and are hiding it all somewhere.

As such, Buu will need to help teach those two 'meanies' a lesson by helping beat them up, but he can't absorb them or they'll never find where the candies are hidden (in reality just saying that so Buu doesn't grow too strong from absorbing them both).

As proof of his friendship, Goku gives Buu some cookies and promises the rest after Black and Zamasu are beaten.

- With that, Goku leads Future Majin Buu back to West City; sending the big pink blob into battle against Black while he and Vegeta work on helping Future Trunks to seal Future Zamasu.

Question is, considering Buu's abilities, do you think he would be of any use against Goku Black (to the point of maybe defeating him), or do you think Black would waste him pretty quickly?

Curious to see what you guys think.

Bit of a quick one, but curious to see what you guys think.

- In the "Future" Trunks Saga, we see the failed attempt to seal Future Zamasu with the Mafuba (Evil Containment Wave) due to Goku forgetting the Talisman for it; Future Zamasu responding by initiating the Potara Fusion to merge himself and Goku Black together into Fused Zamasu.

With this fusion overpowering the Saiyans and their allies, Goku and Vegeta prepare to do the Potara fusion themselves so they can become Vegito.

- However, this time Goku pulls out the Zeno Button earlier while searching for the Senzu Beans he has; remarking to Gowasu and Shin that it was given to him by their timeline's Zeno and - with Shin assuring Goku that Future Zeno would still be around as "no-one can defeat Zeno" - Goku decides to summon Future Zeno to them.

- After the awkward hug and Future Zeno remarking on the state of the world around him, Goku points to Fused Zamasu and states that he caused it all, as well as destroying the rest of the multiverse and destroying the Super Dragon Balls; something Fused Zamasu admits to but declares he did for the sake of "Divine Justice".

With Goku bringing up Fused Zamasu's immortality and asking if Zeno could deal with him, what do you think would happen?

Would Zeno in this situation destroy just Fused Zamasu before heading home, or would we get another Episode 67 and see Future Trunks' timeline get erased again?

Curious to see what you guys think.

I always thought it was bogus how in order for Fused Zamasu to be defeated Trunks' whole entire timeline had to be erased. It's like Toyotaro and Toriyama-sensei didn't even think about how this immortal being was gonna be defeated until the end of the arc. It's just really odd to me as we know there are sealing techniques in Dragon Ball, and both gods and mortals have them, such as Master Mutaito's Mafuba, or the unamed technique Beerus used to seal Elder Kai in the Z-Sword. I feel like if they put a bit more thought into it they could've introduced a sealing technique that would be able to stop Fused Zamasu, and then we could've avoided the worst ending to a Dragon Ball arc ever in my opinion.

I'm also welcome to see whether you thought Fused Zamasu's appearance in the arc was even needed at all, since he was virtually unkillable, and because it resulted in Vegito's return, but ultimately amounted up to nothing and just further stole the spotlight from Trunks, who was supposed to be one of the tritagonists in this arc, but was honestly more of a side character if anything (more so in the manga than the anime, but even for most of the arc in the anime he didn't really contribute until he got SSJ Rage.)

What do you all think? I'd love to hear your opinions!