"Again, I have explained why his words aren’t reliable after rtz kicked in. He was in a state of CONFUSION"

It's not a proof.

He can be in a state of confusion and still be right, especially when i have already explained that the confusion mainly comes to the fact that someone is moving in erased time.

Your claim is a extraordinary one, because you are assuming being in a state of confusion makes you forget about your ability and its limitations

1. Diavolo never confirmed this. The only thing he confirmed was that time erase was gonna end in a few seconds. It’s not fallacious as I have explained why his words are irrelevant during in between and not before allat happened

2. Neither is time erase. And explain why it got reverted?

“He can be in a state of confusion and still be right, especially when i have already explained that the confusion mainly comes to the fact that someone is moving in erased time.”

That’s false premise. You can’t just base your argument on the premise you are trying to prove. Your premise is “GER is seen to be moving in erased time” and your following argument is “therefore diavolo can still be right even when confused”. You see where this is going? So no, being confused doesn’t mean that diavolo is 100% correct which is why using that one statement is extremely unreliable.

“Your claim is a extraordinary one, because you are assuming being in a state of confusion makes you forget about your ability and its limitations”

Who said anything about diavolo forgetting about his ability?? I’m saying that being a state of confusion makes a person unable to think clearly. Hence my reasoning for why that one statement is unreliable because diavolo is not in his correct mind and not that he forgot how his ability works.

1. Cherry picking fallacy

2. He started the attack in erased time duh.

3. I'm not assuming anything, my argument explicitly comes from the panel above.

+ What are you trying to prove is an extraordinary claim.

4. Yeah that's the extraordinary claim

Your argument implies that Diavolo no longer knows the limits of his ability.

A state of confusion doesn't disprove Diavolo's claim.

1. Mind explaining why its cherry picking?

2. If thats the case, only his attack should be reverted. Time erase is harmless right? So why did it also get reverted along with the attack?

3. Told you time and time again that his words are really unreliable to use. You are basing your reasoning based of that ONE panel alone whilst ignoring the surrounding and that has to be when diavolo is not thinking clearly aka why i've explained is unreliable.

4. Strawman claim. I've never said diavolo no longer knows the limits of his ability. I am implying that diavolo is lost right now and has no idea what is going on around him. Nothing to imply that he forgot the limits of his ability.

"A state of confusion doesn't disprove Diavolo's claim."

Pretty sure it does. Bro literally is not in his right mind. He's not thinking straight and is an a turmoil. Which is why he's coming up with doubts and assumptions

Damn Bro, you have to cut the unnecessary fat if you want your point to get across.

In fact, you lost sight of the main argument, so let me explain it for you:

Your main contention comes from the idea that Diavolo's claim is somewhat wrong because he is in a state of confusion.

P(¬A | Confusion) = High

The problem:

The manga has already explained why Diavolo was so confused: someone is moving in erased time

A leads to B

TE being still active leads to the confusion.

Your assumptions comes from this panel, but a a matter of fact, the panel actually supports my interpretation

This statement

Can be true and my statement would still be true.

P ---> Q, but not P can still lead to Q

While this

It's factually wrong.

Your argument doesn't debunk the claim as the majority of your point can still be true and i would still be right. Therefore, Diavolo was never proven wrong and the claim is true.

Since the claim is true, i can simply ignore the other points: after all, why should i waste my time arguing about the mechanics of RTZ when my main argument (RTZ working in TE) holds true value?

"The manga has already explained why Diavolo was so confused: someone is moving in erased time"

Again, I've explained why its false premise. You are building your argument based on your premise. Your reasoning is like this -> "SOMEONE IS MOVING IN ERASED TIME" -> therefore -> "DIAVOLO IS CONFUSED". How it is meant to be, is instead you have to PROVE how someone is indeed moving in his world of erased time instead of building arguments/conclusions off of it.

"Your argument doesn't debunk the claim as the majority of your point can still be true and i would still be right. Therefore, Diavolo was never proven wrong and the claim is true."

Exactly lol. You've just helped prove my point. You just said my points could still be correct. Meaning that Diavolo's statement isnt 100% valid according to your favour as either of us could be correct.

"Since the claim is true, i can simply ignore the other points: after all, why should i waste my time arguing about the mechanics of RTZ when my main argument (RTZ working in TE) holds true value?"

For the argument above, you are also missing and ignoring one important aspect of TE. Diavolo cannot attack inside of it.

EVERYTHING inside of time erase is gone. only the result of it stays. We literally see how the bullets (which is part of the world) go right past diavolo as if he is just a ghost. Time Erase's whole purpose is to help diavolo prepare and wind up his fist in a good position to land the blow while also surprising his opponents out of nowhere. To actually deliver the blow, he needs to hop out of the process which erases everything and everyone in it. giorno doesn't exist in erased time, he would essentially be punching at a void.

This is also another reason why my points are more reliable than yours. delivering/connecting the punch inside a TE is absolutely futile and meaningless. If you're still suggesting that diavolo is aiming to land the blow at giorno during TE, then i truly have nothing to say to you then as you're literally ignoring the narrative of his ability.

Please, reread my points.

There is a severe lack of reading comprehension on your part.

"You are building your argument from your promise"

Did... Did you finally find out how arguments are made?

False premise only works if the premise is a assumption i have to prove.

There is no faulty assumption here: My premise is explicitly stated, you can read it too.

You can't disprove my argument just because you can't read a simple manga panel.

It seems you have a lack of knowledge on Logic condition.

Your premises can be true and yet the conclusion can be wrong.

The points you made might be right, and your conclusion is still wrong as your main argument is an extraordinary one.

So nop, you just typed a whole lot of nothing.

"My premise is explicitly stated, you can read it too.

You can't disprove my argument just because you can't read a simple manga panel."

And I have proven time and time again (which you keep ignoring smh) why your premise is wrong. You said "someone else is capable of moving in erased time because of the one diavolo statement". I have claimed this to be unreliable to accept due to him being confused and allat. Even you acknowledged the fact that my points may be correct. So idk why you keep appealing to that one panel when the narrative + surrounding context goes against it.

So if your premise is unreliable and not proven to be 100% accurate, then i'm afraid you cant build arguments off of that then. And if i remember correctly, the diavolo being confused part isnt my only counterargument to your diavolo panel. I have also explained to you the fundamental concept of time erase in my second dot point which you seemed to have ignored. You've got anything to say on that?

Reread my points, but at this point i guess it's better if we translate this debate on discord, so i can calmly explain to you the problems in your argument.

If you want, ofc

I dont have discord

Wanna just translate this on the message wall of the jojo wiki instead?