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Yesn't. The surprise mainly comes from the fact that someone is moving in his erased time
He was never proven wrong.
Your main claim is not enough to prove such extraordinary claim.
After all, you have to prove Diavolo suddently forgot about the limitations of his ability.
2. Except in this case RTZ prevented the ability to end.
As long as you don't debunk Diavolo's claim, you can't argue RTZ worked outside TE.
I tend to use this as a "High-Ball GER" and a "Low-Ball GER". GER in it's High-Ball activates automatically and within erased time. That's the most commonly believed GER. Low-Ball GER does not have automatic abilities, and cannot work in erased time.
However, the fact that Giorno is implied as to not have any idea of what's going on, and the fact that Diavolo specifically states that it's erased time should be counted.
So, for now, I would assume it's very acceptable to believe the High-Ball GER, especially considering he never showed up again and all we have of him is what we have. Further, his speed stat is Null, which is due to his speed being above the stat capabilities of the stand measurements. And that measurement can include infinity. This means that GER's speed, either physically, or ability-wise, has an activation speed beyond infinity, and infinity is essentially immediate. It's why Instant Transmission is an infinity speed. GER's activation speed is faster than instant, likely meaning it doesn't even require time.
Regardless of what the mass opinion is though, for the sake of argument, let's use high-ball GER, as that's the one that appears to be the best supported by the manga.
1. He was proven to be wrong as diavolo himself claims that its over and is literally preparing to deliver the final blow. Ok, lets just assume that time erase is still going on. If thats the case, then diavolo is just gonna punch right past him. You see how this contradicts the narrative? He HAS to end it before actually being able to interact with his opponents. If TE is still active like you are saying, how is his attack going to land?
2. He prevented the attack from connecting yes that is correct. If GER can function in erased time, then why didn't he do anything against the blood slash throw?
Diavolo has been shown to effect people in Time Erase. When Bucciarati is escorting Trish to the tower, Diavolo skips time in the elevator, cutting Trish's hand off in the process. In the Colosseum, time skips again, and when it continues, Narancia is killed, put on the bars. And finally, the last one is IN THAT SPECIFIC TIME ERASE. Diavolo throws his blood to blind Giorno. The misconception is that Diavolo can never touch anyone in time erase. He obviously can and has. And even if he couldn't, him shouting "It's over" doesn't mean the Time Erase has ended. It is the same as what Jiren says. "It's over" means that he has declared victory, something he obviously did early, because he was wrong. There's nothing in the manga saying he ended the Time Erase yet. None of this disproves the fact that Diavolo states himself that he's still in Time Erase.
If Diavolo is able to cut people's hand during TE, that would just straight up contradict the entire point behind time erase. time is erased, nothing exists inside of it. This is shown and proven to be correct when aerosmith bullets directly passed through doppio's buddy. So diavolo cutting trish's hand during TE is 100% headcanon and isnt backed up by any source.
When he shouts that it’s over, yes it means he has declared victory and is preparing to deliver the finishing blow hence the "it’s over!" quote. but before the attack properly connects, he needs to exit the TE for that to happen. Otherwise, hes gonna phase right past giorno
"There's nothing in the manga saying he ended the Time Erase yet"
But ok. Literally tells you that diavolo is planning to end the TE in a matter of seconds. So it completely goes along with the narrative that diavolo needs to actually end his TE for the attack to actually connect and not just phase through. Saying diavolo can attack during TE is just straight up false and headcanon
Yes, this entire scene was made up by me. It doesn't exist. I fabricated this whole episode back in 2019 and had it aired just to mess with you.
But ok. Literally tells you that diavolo is planning to end the TE in a matter of seconds.
So Diavolo is reliable here, but not later? That's cherry picking, mate.
He said he time would be restored in a few seconds because of course. He can only erase 10 seconds of his own time. That doesn't mean it came back, especially when he himself says they're STILL IN TIME ERASE.
Posting a clip of the anime doesn’t prove anything. You have to yet to explain how diavolo was using time erase during that clip.
Again, I have explained why his words aren’t reliable after rtz kicked in. He was in a state of CONFUSION. How should we trust whatever he says when he doesn’t even know what he’s looking at? You’re also ignoring the fact that he cannot interact inside of time erase which is the very fundamental concept of his ability. Trying to do so will phase right past his victims.
You can't disprove Diavolo's claim by using his previous statement and ignoring what happened in between. It's fallacious.
RTZ kicked in before Diavolo could end his ability. Diavolo confirmed this.
2 In JoJo's, throwing blood is not considered a harmful action.
Automatic RTZ works against harmful actions
"Again, I have explained why his words aren’t reliable after rtz kicked in. He was in a state of CONFUSION"
It's not a proof.
He can be in a state of confusion and still be right, especially when i have already explained that the confusion mainly comes to the fact that someone is moving in erased time.
Your claim is a extraordinary one, because you are assuming being in a state of confusion makes you forget about your ability and its limitations
1. Diavolo never confirmed this. The only thing he confirmed was that time erase was gonna end in a few seconds. It’s not fallacious as I have explained why his words are irrelevant during in between and not before allat happened
2. Neither is time erase. And explain why it got reverted?
“He can be in a state of confusion and still be right, especially when i have already explained that the confusion mainly comes to the fact that someone is moving in erased time.”
That’s false premise. You can’t just base your argument on the premise you are trying to prove. Your premise is “GER is seen to be moving in erased time” and your following argument is “therefore diavolo can still be right even when confused”. You see where this is going? So no, being confused doesn’t mean that diavolo is 100% correct which is why using that one statement is extremely unreliable.
“Your claim is a extraordinary one, because you are assuming being in a state of confusion makes you forget about your ability and its limitations”
Who said anything about diavolo forgetting about his ability?? I’m saying that being a state of confusion makes a person unable to think clearly. Hence my reasoning for why that one statement is unreliable because diavolo is not in his correct mind and not that he forgot how his ability works.