yeah...about that. cough sdbh 17 cough
in all seriousness tho, UI has been hit, touch, beat down before, by Jiren, who has no UI what so ever. so that NLF is out of the picture. it all comes down to Gogeta blues power out put. how strong is his blue form when we know his base is above blue goku and vegeta? that and MUI's multiplier are the only factors in here.
you should not have continued this, there was no point as there is no clear answer.
in heroes it seems like gogeta will be above anything that came before it (MUI, Vegito blue kaiken, Ect), but in canon we just dont know. both power ups are above Hakaishin level, but thats all we know.
what is beating up cumber, to fighting godsayer hearts? which gogeta is gonna do
let this thread die. there is no answer. we know DBH is not evidence. we know promotional material isnt evidence. those sources contradict each other, just wait till time gives us the answer.
what makes it even more difficult is that base gogeta is freaking stronger than ssb goku and vegeta, so MUI could have a ridiculous mutltiplier, and it wouldnt guarantee a win.
unknown at the moment. heroes is irrelevant since it has nothing to do with scaling in canon. even then, in the main heroes canon, all vegitos and UI goku beat cumber. so even then there isnt much to scale. we can only go by the fact that broly is probably stronger than beerus, and gogeta pretty much no-diffed him, and that STILL doesnt tell us much. cause we dont know if UI Goku and LB jiren can stomp beerus.
If it had more info to work on, definitly. But there is next to nothing known about it. So oy would be a horrible ideo to make a page.
@Skar800
131 was another fight. It wasnt boring, it took half the episode, the wish, the after math, the heroes going back home were the last 10 minutes. And that episode turned out very good.
So...
NervousShipper wrote: Strongest =/= most powerful.
Do you really think Zen'o is even capable of throwing a punch? He's not even the strongest in a handshake with base goku
Unm, this is ignorance. Or would i remind you to go back to the rebriane vs android 18 episode, so you can see zeno trow concecutive punches
Anyway, is obvious that zeno isnt an expert in martial arts, and isnt a warrior either, while the grand priest was stated to be the strongest “warrior” in existance (key word, warrior). Zeno, from a 3 dimensional beings perspective, has infinite power.
NervousShipper wrote: Instinct Complete anyone >>> Anyone else
Not really. That’s called a no limits fallacy. It’s more like Zeno >> grand priest >> angels > MUI goku and jiren > everyone else
Hope the manga does better with him, he was handle like shit in 126
Well, I should have bet, as I would have won.
No. Its anime logic that the aura doesn’t break the stage, that’s all to it.
People should stop using the outdated statement about keeping goku below beerus, as that was said before goku even used kaioken against hit. Things change, and goku fighting jiren is prove of that.
SuperBen 1000000 wrote:
Ovrhide wrote:
Katchin wrote:
So (X*Y)*Z, with X being base Goku, X being kaioken, and Z being Blue. In other words, it's exactly the same thing.
Exactly. Think back to the Otherworld Tournament when Goku uses Super Kaioken against Pikkon. He increases his Super Saiyan power by 50% (bare in mind he's only using Kaioken ×1), so it would be no different in any other Super Saiyan form whether it's Mortal Energy, or Divine Energy.
There is no kaioken x1. The bare minimum is kaioken, which is x2. Youre in the db wiki, might as well do research here. Or better yet, kanzenshuu
Why do people always compare this wiki to the Kazenshuu? Dragon Ball Wiki is a database while the Kazenshuu is a news site. If you were comparing the wiki to the Dragon Ball Universe Wiki, an actual more reliable database than this wiki is, then I'll be fine. But man, the fan base seem too dumb to tell the difference.
Then it seems you know little of kanzenshuu, as they have their own database. You can easilly access it from the main page.
Katchin wrote:
So (X*Y)*Z, with X being base Goku, X being kaioken, and Z being Blue. In other words, it's exactly the same thing.
Exactly. Think back to the Otherworld Tournament when Goku uses Super Kaioken against Pikkon. He increases his Super Saiyan power by 50% (bare in mind he's only using Kaioken ×1), so it would be no different in any other Super Saiyan form whether it's Mortal Energy, or Divine Energy.
There is no kaioken x1. The bare minimum is kaioken, which is x2. Youre in the db wiki, might as well do research here. Or better yet, kanzenshuu
Tonybalongna wrote:
Baguszimi wrote: Power Impact
it's just power impact, he used the same thing on goku when his ultra instinct first ran out
It aint power impact. Its something diferent. Seems like you are getting confused on what move he is talking about. Its the un-named sun-like ball attack jiren used on vegeta to knock him out cold.
Baguszimi wrote: Power Impact
Nope, thats not the one he is talking about. He wants to know the name of the attack jiren used to knock out vegeta at the end. So far, it has no name.